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September 07, 2016, 02:08:31 PM
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Hi guys,

I would like thanks the NAV team for their help to get back my unswapped coins.

They did the swap for me and really fast.
I lost a lot of other coins because i missed swap, here we have an amazing team who listen and respond to his community !

Long live for NAV team and special thanks for Shahim Wink

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 #19062

Let's put some pressure on Shapeshift so they add NAV to their exchange and we can trade from Mobile Wallet.
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September 07, 2016, 04:01:45 PM
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It is not a hype. XMR hype made people realize the importance of anonimity. Now everyone is taking NAV seriously. NAV can have a correction but it will not go back to 5k. I wish it did so I could buy some more at that price.

You never know 1/3 - 1/4 pump price is standard in crypto.

People give shit to anonymity all they want is get profit so now even NAV is great coin with honest people involved but where is pump there is looong dump.
I wish NAV 100k but Smiley time will tell.
NAV is a good coin but as you said people care only about profit . so hope NAV run over 400 k , it is good for everyone traders and dev team .

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September 07, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
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It is not a hype. XMR hype made people realize the importance of anonimity. Now everyone is taking NAV seriously. NAV can have a correction but it will not go back to 5k. I wish it did so I could buy some more at that price.

You never know 1/3 - 1/4 pump price is standard in crypto.

People give shit to anonymity all they want is get profit so now even NAV is great coin with honest people involved but where is pump there is looong dump.
I wish NAV 100k but Smiley time will tell.
NAV is a good coin but as you said people care only about profit . so hope NAV run over 400 k , it is good for everyone traders and dev team .
thats so true this is gonna dump hard just look at other coins doing the same shit we are doing Shadowcash yall should be over there

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September 07, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
 #19066

NAV is ready to another run  Smiley

 
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September 07, 2016, 05:06:52 PM
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NAV is ready to another run  Smiley

I hope for correction about to 3 cents. And then it can make another run  Smiley


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September 07, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
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NAV is ready to another run  Smiley

definitelly not ready... price still too stretched out. it will go back to at least 5k or less.
i've sold mine and will buy back after the correction.

a few of us are real investors, but the majority just want some profit and they will sell. just wait for the panic sell to buy cheap nav.
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September 07, 2016, 06:22:26 PM
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NAV is ready to another run  Smiley

definitelly not ready... price still too stretched out. it will go back to at least 5k or less.
i've sold mine and will buy back after the correction.

a few of us are real investors, but the majority just want some profit and they will sell. just wait for the panic sell to buy cheap nav.
I think Correction to 8k is possible but to 5k is not possible.

 
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Now whales shaking weak hands...xd

8K bottom confirmed.
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September 07, 2016, 08:38:22 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoinJoin

Can you please tell me main differences?
For me it seems you guys are doing exactly this. (Bolded in your text)

Also can you please explain the last Bolded part in more detail please? I'm not quite sure what you mean with it.

Thank you for your time.

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Thanks for your answer even though I don't really think you understood me.

So as far as I understand you use two block chains and the second blockchain obfuscate the address of the receiver via encryption.

The second blockchain has nodes that has a certain amount of Nav pooled.

The second blockchain does a mixing like coinjoin/dash mixing etc pp.

I see no difference except it seems the mixing works on the blockchain instead on a single server (coinjoin) but very similar to master nodes (dash).

Correct?




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September 07, 2016, 08:59:34 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoinJoin

Can you please tell me main differences?
For me it seems you guys are doing exactly this. (Bolded in your text)

Also can you please explain the last Bolded part in more detail please? I'm not quite sure what you mean with it.

Thank you for your time.

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Hello package,


Thanks for your answer even though I don't really think you understood me.

So as far as I understand you use two block chains and the second blockchain obfuscate the address of the receiver via encryption.

The second blockchain has nodes that has a certain amount of Nav pooled.

The second blockchain does a mixing like coinjoin/dash mixing etc pp.

I see no difference except it seems the mixing works on the blockchain instead on a single server (coinjoin) but very similar to master nodes (dash).

Correct?




Hey package,

That was my reply you didnt see.

Hi,

No, not correct like you said. Dash masternode is building a chain of sendings where in the end the tx got send in small chunks to the recipient. But all happens on the same chain and is "traceable". With much affort, of course.

Coinjoin is on a server where you want to send like 2 bitcoin to a person. You send like 3btc and get back 1 while the server sends 2 to the person. I hope i understand that correct. But at the end i think so...

We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.

So it is not a mixing service. Have you read the original whitepaper?  It is quite good explanation in there.

Google navajocoin whitepaper and the decentralization whitepaper.

Regards
Shahim

Edit: reading your last posts make me think you are German. Ich denke auf deutsch kann ich eine bessere Erklärung geben, wenn du magst per pm.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoinJoin

Can you please tell me main differences?
For me it seems you guys are doing exactly this. (Bolded in your text)

Also can you please explain the last Bolded part in more detail please? I'm not quite sure what you mean with it.

Thank you for your time.

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Hello package,


Thanks for your answer even though I don't really think you understood me.

So as far as I understand you use two block chains and the second blockchain obfuscate the address of the receiver via encryption.

The second blockchain has nodes that has a certain amount of Nav pooled.

The second blockchain does a mixing like coinjoin/dash mixing etc pp.

I see no difference except it seems the mixing works on the blockchain instead on a single server (coinjoin) but very similar to master nodes (dash).

Correct?




Hey package,

That was my reply you didnt see.

Hi,

No, not correct like you said. Dash masternode is building a chain of sendings where in the end the tx got send in small chunks to the recipient. But all happens on the same chain and is "traceable". With much affort, of course.

Coinjoin is on a server where you want to send like 2 bitcoin to a person. You send like 3btc and get back 1 while the server sends 2 to the person. I hope i understand that correct. But at the end i think so...

We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.

So it is not a mixing service. Have you read the original whitepaper?  It is quite good explanation in there.

Google navajocoin whitepaper and the decentralization whitepaper.

Regards
Shahim

Edit: reading your last posts make me think you are German. Ich denke auf deutsch kann ich eine bessere Erklärung geben, wenn du magst per pm.



Hey mate,

Well your explanations sounds exactly like how i understood it and what i wrote there.
A second blockchain which does the mixing.
The subchain/second blockchain is public and only the encryption obfuscate the final receiver, which is like i said similar to dash masternode/other mixing methods. Especially because you have nav pooled on the "anon-nodes".

Also yes im german, feel free to send me a pm in german!
Maybe i just understood something wrong.

Thanks in advance.

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https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nav-coin-updates-anonymous-network/
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  Smiley

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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  Smiley



Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
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September 08, 2016, 04:39:51 AM
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That is what i tried to say...  Lol there is mo mixing or masternodes.  There is just no proofable link between sender and recipient
Anyone could have send the coins.
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NAV looks stable at this level, it's just the beginning of the great growth that await us in the future i think.

NAV has more to offer than just a few days growth and i look forward to the web wallet and as pakage said, and I quote
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  Smiley



Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Hello,

Can you please explain what channeling means, how it works and why it is untraceable?

I still didnt get you pm shahim!

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September 08, 2016, 11:35:05 AM
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  Smiley



Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Hello,

Can you please explain what channeling means, how it works and why it is untraceable?

I still didnt get you pm shahim!

Hi Cryiptix,

Channeling is the process directing a transaction towards the subchain and out from it.

It is untraceable for two reasons.

1 - Transaction information is encrypted within the main chain , as well as the subchain.

2 - Transaction destination outputs are random and clustered.

Please do go through the following post by Pakage for further information.

We've been here for the last 2 Years and ANON itself is quite old since last March , last year , there's plenty of information about it all over. Whitepapers etc as well as number of tests on it.

Please be kind enough to go through our OP as well.

Warm Regards,
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