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September 10, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
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Devs can i add to wallet of NAVcoin... my game ?Cheesy


What do you mean? Over all we are happy for everyone who is putting effort to bring us forward.

Perhaps you make a small writeup and send it to navcoindev@gmail.com

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September 10, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  Smiley



Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
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Hello soopy,

I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work.
I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp.

I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder.


Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine?

Hi mate. I won't talk about the technicalities of NAV's Anon.
But what I can tell you is that NAV wasn't pre mined or instamined or anything like that.
NAV evolved from Summercoin (it changed name!)
It was a X13 POW and then went to POS.
I mined it back in July 2014 (I remember coz the bloody world cup)

Anyways...all the info is online...Google it!

Salud!
then they talk about encryption as an integral part of the processes in the blockchain and we're talking about threats to decrypt and know the level of encryption 256 bit, but we know that for a new generation of digital passports will use the private key rights encryption in 2048 bits, and that at the moment, apparently, this sort of cipher is more stable in terms of safety and preservation of the confidential data
what happens if the progress of quantum machines will reach the level of peri-domestic home user ( which is soon to happen no doubt ) or other methods of deciphering with a faster pace, and to have an impact on the security of the blockchain because it is human values ?
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September 10, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
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We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.
The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  Smiley



Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Hello soopy,

I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work.
I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp.

I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder.


Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine?

Hello criptix,

in all respect, but what do you expect to get? As already anounced by pakage we are going to bring all this open source soon. He is bringing weekly updates about his progress and also giving more and more technical details on his posts.
The "old" whitepaper is quite detailed about the processing of the anon transaction in comparision to a normal transaction. As you perhaps understand we won't give code or something to public until it is under open source license. As you said, you have to wait to the new whitepaper.

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Look shahim, i dont really want to talk you people bad but your actual whitepaper is not good at all.
It is really more or less only a graphical illustration which doesnt say much.
For example look at the zcash whitepaper here and their coin is also not released yet:

http://zerocash-project.org/paper


But like i said i will wait for your new whitepaper.
Please surprise me.



Hi Criptix,

Indeed your intentions might be of the same and so are ours in explaining to you the same over and over again with no avoidance , please have some respect for that.
As for your criticism , please take into account that we did not just come out of the blue nor , NAV ANON came out yesterday , its been there for the last year or more. However much we respect people's opinions , we expect the same respect when it comes to what we do. And I don't see either.

The new whitepaper is something that we are presenting regards to the upgrading of ANON and where everyone can take part of it and gain.

As per your assumption of what a whitepaper should , it is as always subjective and objective specific , therefore it can sometimes be as simple as anyone can understand or as complex as no one can understand.
We've done our best to keep it to what it is , so that people actually know what they are working with. A whitepaper is more or less useless if you and I can't agree to disagree on anything.

NAV ANON is what NAV ANON is and if you are trying to compare that to something that you have seen elsewhere then I'm sorry but you haven't see what it actually is or its uniqueness.

There's nothing that's worth if its not practical , however much whitepapers one writes , if the tech doesn't work its not worth it , when it comes to NAV we've focused on the practicality and to an actual point where people can experience Anonymity hands on. This is what we look forward to.

Ofcourse we always tend towards keeping everyone informed on the work plans and theoretical aspects of them same.

Warm Regards,
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Wohoo!  Cheesy This post made my day. NAV just wouldn't be the same without you
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September 10, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
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I want to remind everyone to be careful @ the current prices. NAV will definitely correct to 5-7k sats after volume decreases.

Long term, you are fine to buy above 9k as the coin kick ass but just watch your BTC.
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What are the main use cases for this coin? What seperates it from others?
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What are the main use cases for this coin? What seperates it from others?

Hi Wexfgy12

Nav Coin have been building an innovative and secure platform over the last couple of years and we believe we are world leaders. Especially for our customers who value security and anonymity.

Our engineers are not just interested in following the pack. Nav Coin has engineered world firsts, such as our X13 Mobile Wallet. Anonymous transactions from a Mobile Wallet will be another first, enabling fast and secure transactions to the masses. The use cases are endless.
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September 11, 2016, 02:33:15 AM
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I want to remind everyone to be careful @ the current prices. NAV will definitely correct to 5-7k sats after volume decreases.

Long term, you are fine to buy above 9k as the coin kick ass but just watch your BTC.

Good luck to you trying to buy back.

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September 11, 2016, 03:07:26 AM
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yeah i kinda agree. so many days spent with over 3 million dollars in volume at 11-12k. i think a new bottom of 8k is established and there gotta be a lot of users who bought at 9-12k satoshis who are looking at higher spikes to be out.


meanwhile bitcoin can spike up and cause the price to drop bellow. but it will have to be a big spike. who knows.  Cool
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What are the main use cases for this coin? What separates it from others?


if your asking why are people investing in this coin:

a higher chance that it's speculations bases might become true.  


i don't care what coin you have or compare it too, bitcoin included. it's all about how strong are the bases of the coin's speculations.


So ask your question to your self: what does this coin promise to deliver? Look into the work being done and if that work will help deliver. Compare the deliveries to the speculations of it's market. Because speculations drive the markets. Especially, speculation that might turn true.

spec·u·la·tion
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the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
"there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit"
2.
investment in stocks, property, or other ventures in the hope of gain but with the risk of loss.
"the company's move into property speculation"

Everyone hopes to bet on a coin that when speculations become true, they will be ahead of the rush demand that might come for it. aka early adaptors



if you want to know any use cases right now:

it's too early to tell. But it promises Decentralized Annon . so if possible, there a whole lot of new markets that could adapt it.
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September 11, 2016, 03:45:57 AM
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I want to remind everyone to be careful @ the current prices. NAV will definitely correct to 5-7k sats after volume decreases.

Long term, you are fine to buy above 9k as the coin kick ass but just watch your BTC.

Good luck to you trying to buy back.

We are the number 1 community on the Planet - With articles written about us

We will support our coin by building at least a strong BUY base . I doubt we will ever see 5-7k

But yes this is trading so do your research.

I'm doing my part - I am sure I have at least another 20 like minded NAV investors who prefer a stable coin, volume eating engine with great features and a extremely bright future.

We are on a great path.

100's of coins have been delisted over the past 2 years. Many currency's prior to 2014 eating our/my money as copy and paste coins.

I did my research back then with hard lessons learned.

I put my faith in Soopy as he was f#$king committed to the project.

Believe me NAV has been through every disaster possible that can happen to a Crypto currency. That's why its so strong today

General what I have found with NAV - regardless of what price point you buy. If you hold your coins long enough you get a very good return. Which is an understatement.

That's my experience anyway. Smiley

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I want to remind everyone to be careful @ the current prices. NAV will definitely correct to 5-7k sats after volume decreases.

Long term, you are fine to buy above 9k as the coin kick ass but just watch your BTC.
You are probably rich by now given the prediction powers you have.
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BTC is looking like it might just spike...I'm watching closely and hope to scoop up more NAV in the 80's.  Grin

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I want to remind everyone to be careful @ the current prices. NAV will definitely correct to 5-7k sats after volume decreases.

Long term, you are fine to buy above 9k as the coin kick ass but just watch your BTC.

Good luck to you trying to buy back.

We are the number 1 community on the Planet - With articles written about us

We will support our coin by building at least a strong BUY base . I doubt we will ever see 5-7k

But yes this is trading so do your research.

I'm doing my part - I am sure I have at least another 20 like minded NAV investors who prefer a stable coin, volume eating engine with great features and a extremely bright future.

We are on a great path.

100's of coins have been delisted over the past 2 years. Many currency's prior to 2014 eating our/my money as copy and paste coins.

I did my research back then with hard lessons learned.

I put my faith in Soopy as he was f#$king committed to the project.

Believe me NAV has been through every disaster possible that can happen to a Crypto currency. That's why its so strong today

General what I have found with NAV - regardless of what price point you buy. If you hold your coins long enough you get a very good return. Which is an understatement.

That's my experience anyway. Smiley


Man, I couldn't agree more! Very well said. NAV is here to stay and will only get better and better. Grin

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Just a quick question is there a light wallet for NAV coin, besides mobile? And if not, why? Downloading the whole blockchain takes forever.
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Just a quick question is there a light wallet for NAV coin, besides mobile? And if not, why? Downloading the whole blockchain takes forever.

In the next few days the DEV team will delivering a Thin wallet.

Just keep checking this thread!

Have a nice weekend!

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I hope NAV will be listed on Darknet markets...  Wink
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September 11, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
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I want to remind everyone to be careful @ the current prices. NAV will definitely correct to 5-7k sats after volume decreases.

Long term, you are fine to buy above 9k as the coin kick ass but just watch your BTC.


Yes correction is coming.
On poloniex buy support only 275 btc and price keeping one big fake buy wall 159 btc at low 5000s and few smaller walls 10 btc each. If walls gone price dump hard Tongue
And price BTC rising too so many alts price drops.
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September 11, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
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Hi Nav Coiners,

It's time for the Nav Coin weekly update and this week I come bearing two amazing pieces of news for you all!

Nav Coin Thin Clients for Windows and OSX

We are very pleased to announce that we have finished the first release of our range of Thin Clients for desktop! These allow you to store and send NAV without having to download the entire block chain yourself. They work using the same electrum server technology that the mobile wallet uses which means they're instantly on and ready to go all the time.

Grab your new thin client from the downloads page: http://www.navcoin.org/downloads

For more information, please head over to our news page and read the great press release Sophia has written up for us:

http://www.navcoin.org/news/articles/post/nav-coins-new-lite-wallet

There are two types of wallet available for Windows and OSX. We have built an Installer for each which will set the application up into your program files or applications directory. Then we have also built a portable version which you don't need to install and could even run from a USB drive if you wanted to.

This marks the first official OSX wallet we have for Nav Coin. We are working hard to bring also the full node OSX wallet live in the coming days.

Please note that the OSX wallet has a couple of bugs, the preferences wont open and QR code scanning is unavailable. These are bugs within the electrum base code and we are waiting on them to provide a fix for these issues at which point we will update our wallet also.

Anonymous Transaction Test Network is Live

The second big piece of news is that we have successfully deployed the new anon scripts to the live environment and sent our first anonymous transactions using the live system!

This week the system will be undergoing stress tests and other QA measures to make sure that when we release it to the public it is robust and functions flawlessly. Depending on what comes from the stress testing, we are hoping to re-launch the anon system as early as next week. We will keep you updated on this progress as more information becomes available to us.

The wallet is all configured to use the new system. It has some exciting new tweaks which I will detail in full in my forthcoming whitepaper or at the latest in our release notes for the client when we launch the system.

If you want to have a look at the new wallet code, you can see it on this branch here:

https://github.com/navcoindev/navcoin2/commits/anon-test

Our progress has been reflected in our projects page with the Thin Client project moving to the completed section and the decentralisation implementation percentage being bumped up to 70%!

We have also been making progress with the Web Wallet which is now at 95%, we hope to get this finished and out to the public in the coming days.

http://www.navcoin.org/projects

It's very exciting times here at Nav Coin HQ, we are super proud of what we have achieved this week, but we are also showing no signs of slowing down!

This weeks focus is the OSX full node wallet, the web wallet and stress testing the Anon Network.

We have a lot great features in the lab and with decentralisation just around the corner, we are in such a good place right now and the future is bright.

Talk Soon,
Craig.



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