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[TwitchySeal]

The reason it was removed was because it had no reason to even be on the blacklist from the start.  That blacklist is a joke because SWC is on their as well.  Why don't you spam SWC thread with the blacklist TwitchySeal?  

Also why isn't PokerStars on that blacklist?  They removed people's Supernova statuses at the END of the year after they had worked the entire year trying to achieve it.  Does that not warrant to be on the blacklist?  Hence that blacklist is a joke.  But you're still posting it to libel and spam.

Does this look like a valid reason?

Why didn't they remove SWC then?

Why only Betcoin?

Oh, maybe it's because SWC doesn't bribe people.


Edit: do you even read what I write or just rant nonsense?

To be honest, I think the whole list is stupid.  It's been up for months.   The only reason it got any attention is because I tweeted it at them last week. 

Betcoins reaction is what I'm trying to bring attention to, not the list.  They put all effort into trying to make people think they are honest and transparent and no effort into being honest or transparent. THis is another example.

[Xiaoxiao]

The reason it was removed was because it had no reason to even be on the blacklist from the start.  That blacklist is a joke because SWC is on their as well.  Why don't you spam SWC thread with the blacklist TwitchySeal?  

Also why isn't PokerStars on that blacklist?  They removed people's Supernova statuses at the END of the year after they had worked the entire year trying to achieve it.  Does that not warrant to be on the blacklist?  Hence that blacklist is a joke.  But you're still posting it to libel and spam.

Does this look like a valid reason?

Why didn't they remove SWC then?

Why only Betcoin?

Oh, maybe it's because SWC doesn't bribe people.


Edit: do you even read what I write or just rant nonsense?

To be honest, I think the whole list is stupid.  It's been up for months.   The only reason it got any attention is because I tweeted it at them last week. 

Betcoins reaction is what I'm trying to bring attention to, not the list.  They put all effort into trying to make people think they are honest and transparent and no effort into being honest or transparent. THis is another example.

No do YOU even read what I write?  You assume Betcoin bribed them.  Maybe because Betcoin showed CardChat the responses from the players and because CardsChat realized the reason for the blacklist made little  sense?

If CardsChat is so easily bribed, than why were you posting their reviews as if it has so much merit?  You only started changing your stance after you realized you shouldn't have been posting the CardsChat review as if it has merit.

[TwitchySeal]

Yeah, I assume because we have no other choice.

Edit: do you even read what I write or just rant nonsense?

No do YOU even read what I write?  

Yes, I do read what you write.  You should read what I write in the future to save yourself from repeating things.  Its only fair.

You assume Betcoin bribed them.  

Yes, that's correct, I assume Betcoin bribed them.

Maybe because Betcoin showed CardChat the responses from the players and because CardsChat realized the reason for the blacklist made little  sense?

Yeah, maybe. THere are lots of things on this that makes little sense though, why only remove Betcoin?
Probably bc Betcoin bribed them.

If CardsChat is so easily bribed, than why were you posting their reviews as if it has so much merit?  You only started changing your stance after you realized you shouldn't have been posting the CardsChat review as if it has merit.

To be honest, I think the whole list is stupid.  It's been up for months.   The only reason it got any attention is because I tweeted it at them last week.  

Betcoins reaction is what I'm trying to bring attention to, not the list.  They put all effort into trying to make people think they are honest and transparent and no effort into being honest or transparent. THis is another example.

[DarkDays]

It's gotta be embarrassing to URGE people to do things and have none of them do it.

Is it because they realized it's unethical or because they aren't listening to xiao?

Hey Xiao,

You know, there's a place you can make these accusations here on Bitcointalk.  

Why wouldn't you make them there?  



(Xiao = harryjr  lolxiao = me







Xiao has yet to leave any neg trust for me, wtf? 

Hi Members of the BetcoinRakeback.com 40-150% extra rakeback program.  Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683727.0

First of all I'd like to thank all of you for taking advantage of this profitable program.  It has allowed many of you to consistently profit in the poker room.  

However, as some of you may know, user 'TwitchySeal' aka 'OHYEAH' has been determined to libel this RB service.  Some of you have already expressed your outrage towards his behavior/spam in my thread and have complained to me about him.  Basically, he has a vendetta against Betcoin management and he's willing to attack anyone associated with Betcoin from affiliates to players.  A lot of times his intentions may seem good and they are (when he fairly calls out sites for irrational decisions), but he has ulterior motives which are ego-driven.  He uses alternate accounts and has co-conspirators to accomplish his goals.  And furthermore, he is a highly confrontational and impatient person.  His behavior in our service thread confuses newcomers and makes them afraid to take advantage of this program, and they end up playing else where paying a lot higher rake.  Betcoin Poker is a blossoming poker environment with a community where both players and live support can police the tables nearly 24/7 and can call out questionable plays such as collusion or bots in the forums/chat; no other poker establishment has this.

Though I don't always agree with the decisions and viewpoints of Betcoin management, I can assure you that they are not 'scammers.'  Scammers cannot get this far in the gaming world and have the connections they have (WPN software/membership, Casino providers, Sportsbook providers).  Having spoken to them many times I know they are well-funded.  In fact they own several other small licensed online gaming establishments but for anonymity's sake haven't divulged the exact ownership.

I can assure you they're goal is creating a good poker room, but they were very inexperienced with online poker management and have been steadily learning.  I am asking you as your loyal affiliate if you could please give some feedback in my thread to let new users know how rewarding this program can be, so that this program can grow, and in turn it will help the poker room grow so we could all reap the rewards.

Sincerely,
Xiao

[Xiaoxiao]

I simply openly urged them to do something.  It's their choice.  It's not a bribe or anything.  There's nothing unethical about that.

[DarkDays]

I simply openly urged them to do something.  It's their choice.  It's not a bribe or anything.  There's nothing unethical about that.

Let me ask you this.  Would you be ok with me openly urging MY contacts to leave YOU negative feedback? 

[Xiaoxiao]

I simply openly urged them to do something.  It's their choice.  It's not a bribe or anything.  There's nothing unethical about that.

Let me ask you this.  Would you be ok with me openly urging MY contacts to leave YOU negative feedback?  

I don't berate your contacts nor do I lurk in your service thread or businesses each day posting spam and off topic stuff.

Look at some of the things Twitchy has done and the way some of my players feel about him:

When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:

I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

He sarcastically assumed he was "shilly" and then used one of his alternates/co-conspirator to give him a bad feedback, the same alternate he used to give me a bad feedback after he already gave me a malicious false feedback awhile ago.

excellent point, not shilly at all

Some more of my players telling him to stop spamming my service thread and their opinions of him:

Xiao, I thought you weren't going to respond to Twitchy anymore. There's no point in arguing with this guy. Not many regs like him either cause he takes up all of supports time when we're the ones that need help....

Can you be a little less cryptic for once and explain what you mean? We aren't all off our meds and we don't all speak spergs so please specify what you mean by shorting people rakeback.

If he has Asperger's, he shouldn't be in the position he's in, cause his hit or miss tactics of calling out people and businesses could really hurt someone.  His obnoxiousness and mental instability pretty much outweighs his "scam alerts."  

There are more players who've spoken out about him, and people have said stuff to me in private about him which I won't post, but the reason he started to upset me was not because of his issues with Betcoin and Betsoft.  I personally believe Betsoft was incredibly unethical in the way they handled the Jasonort situation.  But he continues to attack my rakeback program by spamming the Betsoft issue and bringing up old poker room issues (that he had gotten wrong anyway).

[TwitchySeal]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

excellent point, not shilly at all

You're right about the sarcasm part. 

You don't think that was a shilly comment? 

Co-conspirator maybe, but I am not responsible for crytosmokers actions.

I do agree with him though, except for the 1,000 btc part.

[Xiaoxiao]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

excellent point, not shilly at all

You're right about the sarcasm part. 

You don't think that was a shilly comment? 

Co-conspirator maybe, but I am not responsible for crytosmokers actions.

I do agree with him though, except for the 1,000 btc part.

No, I'm leaning towards the fact that he is your alternate.  His claims are nearly identical to yours.  He supports all your posts, but either way it doesn't matter.  You've called out BtcFTW and NooBTC or something like that for doing the same thing.  Yet you do the exact same thing.

Latest posts of Cryptosmoker: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511427;sa=showPosts

Someone that works as hard as Twitchy in his investigations but hasn't logged in for 3 days now?  I can't imagine someone that is like a clone of Twitchy but hasn't logged into the forums for 3 days now.

[Nubitcoinerr]

Yep I can confirm the cryptosmoker is twitchyseal. Right after i posted on swc thread he gave me a neg feedback with cryptosmoker. Dudes unreal.

[TwitchySeal]

Yep I can confirm the cryptosmoker is twitchyseal. Right after i posted on swc thread he gave me a neg feedback with cryptosmoker. Dudes unreal.

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[DarkDays]

Xiao, you didn't answer the question, silly.

You did the exact same thing that Jessica White does constantly...ignored the question and goes off on an unrelated tangent.

Let me ask you again, and it's fine to give me a one word answer yes or no:

Would you be ok with me doing to you the same thing that you did to Twitchy?

[Xiaoxiao]

Xiao, you didn't answer the question, silly.

You did the exact same thing that Jessica White does constantly...ignored the question and goes off on an unrelated tangent.

Let me ask you again, and it's fine to give me a one word answer yes or no:

Would you be ok with me doing to you the same thing that you did to Twitchy?

I did answer your question.  Scroll up.  At any rate I'm not obligated to respond to you because you bring up Betcoin management issue and non relevant stuff.  I've told Twitchy this in PM.  Everything that you guys have brought up, I've brought up to management way before you guys have.

Anyway here was my answer if you just scroll up:

I don't berate your contacts nor do I lurk in your service thread or businesses each day posting spam and off topic stuff.

Look at some of the things Twitchy has done and the way some of my players feel about him:

When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:

[DarkDays]

Xiao, you didn't answer the question, silly.

You did the exact same thing that Jessica White does constantly...ignored the question and goes off on an unrelated tangent.

Let me ask you again, and it's fine to give me a one word answer yes or no:

Would you be ok with me doing to you the same thing that you did to Twitchy?

I did answer your question.  Scroll up.  At any rate I'm not obligated to respond to you because you bring up Betcoin management issue and non relevant stuff.  I've told Twitchy this in PM.  Everything that you guys have brought up, I've brought up to management way before you guys have.

Anyway here was my answer if you just scroll up:

I don't berate your contacts nor do I lurk in your service thread or businesses each day posting spam and off topic stuff.

Look at some of the things Twitchy has done and the way some of my players feel about him:

When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:

That isn't a yes or no answer.  That is a deflection. 

If you cannot give me a yes or no answer, I'll have to assume that your answer is "yes", you would be ok with me doing to you what you did to Twitchy.  I'll get to work on that tomorrow unless you correct me.

[TwitchySeal]

Currently Betcoin has numerous scam accusations against them that have not been addressed.  They should not be trusted.

[Xiaoxiao]

Currently Betcoin has numerous scam accusations against them that have not been addressed.  They should not be trusted.

You do know that those scam accusations has NOTHING to do with the POKER ROOM, but involves the CASINO SLOTS PROVIDER, correct?  And that it deals with discrepancies with the stated rules of what counts for a slot machine jackpot to hit?  Why spam that here?  The poker room is part of the WPN and uses totally different software providers (identical to ACR, Blackchip, TruePoker).





Also care to explain this:

I don't know what you mean by "abuses his rep" or "etc" but I do not reply to my own post with alts.  

Hey Twitchy nice job.
Seriously, I thought this thread would just be like all the others with betcoin supporters pretending to be even dumber than they actually are.  Nice surprise.

Well I guess Lauda wasnt technically a betcoin supporter.  Guess thats why it ended ok.

Yep I can confirm the cryptosmoker is twitchyseal. Right after i posted on swc thread he gave me a neg feedback with cryptosmoker. Dudes unreal.

Known alts of anyone: User generated  <---They appreciate any contributions.

[TwitchySeal]

I am not cryptosmoker.  Betcoin should not be trusted.  What else is there to explain?

[TwitchySeal]

Seriosuly though, go report me in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg15630335;topicseen#msg15630335

Im not gonna waste my time telling you why your accusation is retarded since you don't give a fuck what I have to say.  Let them tell you.

[Xiaoxiao]

Seriosuly though, go report me in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg15630335;topicseen#msg15630335

Im not gonna waste my time telling you why your accusation is retarded since you don't give a fuck what I have to say.  Let them tell you.

Why would I report you to a thread?  I don't distrust you; I simply don't like the way you go about doing things.  Why would you give me 4 negative trusts all regarding the same topic?  Don't you think that is slander/libel?

[TwitchySeal]

Seriosuly though, go report me in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg15630335;topicseen#msg15630335

Im not gonna waste my time telling you why your accusation is retarded since you don't give a fuck what I have to say.  Let them tell you.

Why would I report you to a thread?  I don't distrust you; I simply don't like the way you go about doing things.  Why would you give me 4 negative trusts all regarding the same topic?  Don't you think that is slander/libel?

It's not a thread to report people you don't trust.  It's a thread to report known alt accounts.

Cryptosmoker is not me though, so it would be a waste of time unless you believe you can prove me wrong.  (you can't)