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February 16, 2016, 04:44:10 AM
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Thanks for partaking in this discussion in a civil manner.  I agree with you that there's been many unreliable gaming sites out there in the past, especially the one's you named and not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down".  However it's unfair and illogical to say Betcoin will follow the same route.

Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN, one of the larger poker networks out there.  They have no incentive to simply run away with player funds, and I'm sure WPN will not allow it.  They are growing rapidly, and therefore have no incentive to close up shop.  Regarding the other issues you've brought up, they're working on making the platform air tight in every aspect, but I totally agree with you that those things could be improved upon.  They're still an infant company, and there is obviously a lot of improvements to be made.  

Betcoin had its player bases emails hacked and said nothing about it didn't even acknowledge it anywhere. What do you have to say about that? THen different players are getting charged different amount in rake and customer service was as unprofessional as could be. Stick to the facts. Betcoin is NOT owned by wpn it is simply a skin of that network stop spewing lies please?
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February 16, 2016, 05:42:12 AM
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Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN 

Not to pile on the people explaining your ignorance to you, but you clearly don't even read the discussion that people are trying to have with you as I've explained how this isn't the case numerous times.

Evasion COUNTERED!

Here are my questions again.  You still haven't answered them.  These are all stemming from something that YOU said.  Why would you make a claim if you are unwilling to answer reasonable questions that stem from that claim?

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?
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February 16, 2016, 05:47:34 AM
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Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.
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February 16, 2016, 05:50:12 AM
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Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN 

Not to pile on the people explaining your ignorance to you, but you clearly don't even read the discussion that people are trying to have with you as I've explained how this isn't the case numerous times.

Evasion COUNTERED!

Here are my questions again.  You still haven't answered them.  These are all stemming from something that YOU said.  Why would you make a claim if you are unwilling to answer reasonable questions that stem from that claim?

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Criminally liable? Wow that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard and reeks of someone who lives in his mom's basement because they are so far on the spectrum they csnt function in society. Thanks for the laugh though.
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February 16, 2016, 06:21:30 AM
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Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

I have stated that betcoins players emails where hacked according to betcoin and betcoin has refused to make a comment on this. You are delusional get help. Xiao is saying wpn owns betcoin, this is an outright lie he has no clue what he is talking about obviously and should not attepmt to interject when he is so missinformed when grownups are speaking.

And what type of customer rep that you know of uses vulgar profanity when speaking to its  customers about getting fucked and an alleged woman customer service rep. You really need help if you think this is all okay and above board.
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February 16, 2016, 06:32:39 AM
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You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap?

I didn't realize that, where/when did they say this? The last I heard was yesterday Jessica said they had actually been working on it the whole time and would have an update at the end of the week or month.

Does this mean they are only going to refund the players who have tracking software, figure it out themselves, and then request it?

That doesn't seem very fair to everyone else. 
Also, most of those players will be the same rake concsience players who are getting 100+% rakeback already.  The players they owe are the ones most likely to be clueless they were stolen from at all.  In reality, the regs who put in volume will suffer just as if the money were taken directly out of their pocket.

They should just figure out how much they owe each player with the following.

 [(Rake Taken)-(Rake that should of been taken)] - [Rake Back Paid] = Refund


Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap?

I hope Betcoin tries to prevent this kind of thing in the future.  Money ending up in the wrong place is just a reality that comes with online poker - it's their job to actively look out for these times so they can immediately return the money to whoever it belongs to.  (Instead of doing nothing for months and then just keeping it bc its most convienient)

I hope other unregulated sites (some of which don't exist yet) are made aware that just because they don't answer to a regulatory third party doesn't mean they can get away with the scummy tactics that Betcoin has been using.  I want unregulated online poker to grow and I think Bitcoin makes it a real possibility.  Betcoin, however, is doing much more damage than good with their lies theft and lack of transparency.






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February 16, 2016, 06:45:07 PM
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Criminally liable? Wow that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard and reeks of someone who lives in his mom's basement because they are so far on the spectrum they csnt function in society. Thanks for the laugh though.

Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

That's pretty funny coming from someone who fairly recently wrote:

Ya at this point I am leaning towards xiao is just enjoying getting all of our rakeback with no intention of ever paying us.  Certainly someone with as many accounts as him has some clout.  i am giving him 24 more hours and then asking to have my account decoupled from his rb because this is beyond ridicilous now.


So when you are calling people basement dwelling autists...are you including yourself in that?
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February 16, 2016, 08:07:27 PM
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Criminally liable? Wow that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard and reeks of someone who lives in his mom's basement because they are so far on the spectrum they csnt function in society. Thanks for the laugh though.

Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

That's pretty funny coming from someone who fairly recently wrote:

Ya at this point I am leaning towards xiao is just enjoying getting all of our rakeback with no intention of ever paying us.  Certainly someone with as many accounts as him has some clout.  i am giving him 24 more hours and then asking to have my account decoupled from his rb because this is beyond ridicilous now.


So when you are calling people basement dwelling autists...are you including yourself in that?

No it doesn't because since then I have actually come to understand Xaio to be a principled individual who does try and use what influence he has to help the players.  The fact is he is an affiliate and so has limited ability to actually do anything regarding betcoin.  I also apologized to him for that exchange as I was wrong about him and his intentions. 

On the other hand you guys have spent so much time and energy trying to recoup a few bucks.  Imagine what you could have done with your actual lives if you had used all this mentally ill rage at something actually worthwhile!
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February 16, 2016, 08:53:20 PM
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What has happened to Betcoin?

Last week I logged into my account did the surprise box and got like 1.5 mbtc casino chips played and made wagering with 85mbtc.

I then went to poker to play and a friend online asked if I could spot him 10 chips which I did. He waited a while and didn't receive so contacted the live chat and they accused him of being me and went all nazi on him saying they were closing both our accounts because we were the same player even though we live on the opposite sides of the USA and definitely have different IP's etc. Now we both did sign up around the same date a couple years ago or so because of freeroll they were having but damn this guy Danny just went nuts on my friend and made strong accusations.

I then went into the live chat to try clear this up and again Danny insinuated myself and my friend were one person and the accounts were closed. Finally he agreed to allow us to send in copies of ID's which we did immediately to prove that we were in fact different players. Now to his credit he did take care of it fast and quickly identified us as unique players on the site.

I then put in for a withdrawl for my remaining balance of around .06btc and I check back a couple hours later and its been canceled without any reason or email explaining why. I went to live chat and Maria had no idea why either other than to resubmit. I just ended up losing it back but this place sure went to shit.
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February 16, 2016, 09:27:33 PM
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Criminally liable? Wow that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard and reeks of someone who lives in his mom's basement because they are so far on the spectrum they csnt function in society. Thanks for the laugh though.

Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

That's pretty funny coming from someone who fairly recently wrote:

Ya at this point I am leaning towards xiao is just enjoying getting all of our rakeback with no intention of ever paying us.  Certainly someone with as many accounts as him has some clout.  i am giving him 24 more hours and then asking to have my account decoupled from his rb because this is beyond ridicilous now.


So when you are calling people basement dwelling autists...are you including yourself in that?

No it doesn't because since then I have actually come to understand Xaio to be a principled individual who does try and use what influence he has to help the players.  The fact is he is an affiliate and so has limited ability to actually do anything regarding betcoin.  I also apologized to him for that exchange as I was wrong about him and his intentions. 

On the other hand you guys have spent so much time and energy trying to recoup a few bucks.  Imagine what you could have done with your actual lives if you had used all this mentally ill rage at something actually worthwhile!

I see.  So people are only "autistic" or "mentally ill" if they have a problem with something that you do not currently have a problem with.  Seems healthy. 

You've spent just as much time on this as I have.  Only instead of fighting for player's rights, you are blindly defending a company that is stealing from you and throwing ad hominem attacks on people raising valid and well-reasoned concerns.  But don't worry.  I'll still fight for your right to have a fair and ethical playing experience even though you claim that it isn't what you want right now. 
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February 16, 2016, 11:11:41 PM
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I'm defending xiao. How dumb do you have to be to not see that. We are all sorry you guys are broke and need to beg for scraps but continuing to attack someone who is responsible for tens of thousands in rb that players have gotten wouldn't have otherwise gotten is really selfish and childish.  Xiao is not Betcoin.  Xiao has benefitted the players.  Those two things are undeniable.  As a result continuing to attack Xiao for what you dont like about Betcoin is just plain wrong.  There is a betcoin thread for that.  There is a reason every thread here, on twoplustwo, on betcoin by fellow players and on every other forum has resulted in your group of busto crybabies being called mentally ill.  Because it is obvious you are.  No rational person does what you guys are doing.  It will accomlish nothing but waste time and unfairly hard the reputation of someone who doesn't deserve it (Xiao).
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February 17, 2016, 12:22:50 AM
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I'm defending xiao. How dumb do you have to be to not see that. We are all sorry you guys are broke and need to beg for scraps but continuing to attack someone who is responsible for tens of thousands in rb that players have gotten wouldn't have otherwise gotten is really selfish and childish.  Xiao is not Betcoin.  Xiao has benefitted the players.  Those two things are undeniable.  As a result continuing to attack Xiao for what you dont like about Betcoin is just plain wrong.  There is a betcoin thread for that.  There is a reason every thread here, on twoplustwo, on betcoin by fellow players and on every other forum has resulted in your group of busto crybabies being called mentally ill.  Because it is obvious you are.  No rational person does what you guys are doing.  It will accomlish nothing but waste time and unfairly hard the reputation of someone who doesn't deserve it (Xiao).

Dude, read what I wrote.  It's obvious you didn't.  

Maybe you're spending too much seeing so many players constantly looking for ways to get free daily shill tickets.

If I were broke I would probably have to kiss Betcoins ass with all the other broke players in Betcoin chat.  I'm well aware this whole thing is costing me equity in time + basically killing any chance of Betcoin making good on what they DO owe me (not related to the over raked cash games) - I wouldn't be doing it if I couldn't afford it.  

AFAIK Betcoin doesn't even know DarkDays username.  If so how could he possibly be begging for money? (I am not sure who he is either)





You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap?

I didn't realize that, where/when did they say this? The last I heard was yesterday Jessica said they had actually been working on it the whole time and would have an update at the end of the week or month.

Does this mean they are only going to refund the players who have tracking software, figure it out themselves, and then request it?

That doesn't seem very fair to everyone else.  
Also, most of those players will be the same rake concsience players who are getting 100+% rakeback already. The players they owe are the ones most likely to be clueless they were stolen from at all. In reality, the regs who put in volume will suffer just as if the money were taken directly out of their pocket.

They should just figure out how much they owe each player with the following.

 [(Rake Taken)-(Rake that should of been taken)] - [Rake Back Paid] = Refund


Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap?

I hope Betcoin tries to prevent this kind of thing in the future. Money ending up in the wrong place is just a reality that comes with online poker - it's their job to actively look out for these times   so they can immediately return the money to whoever it belongs to.  (Instead of doing nothing for months and then just keeping it bc its most convienient)

I hope other unregulated sites (some of which don't exist yet) are made aware that just because they don't answer to a regulatory third party doesn't mean they can get away with the scummy tactics that Betcoin has been using.  I want unregulated online poker to grow and I think Bitcoin makes it a real possibility.  Betcoin, however, is doing much more damage than good with their lies theft and lack of transparency.

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February 17, 2016, 12:42:16 AM
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I'm defending xiao. How dumb do you have to be to not see that. We are all sorry you guys are broke and need to beg for scraps but continuing to attack someone who is responsible for tens of thousands in rb that players have gotten wouldn't have otherwise gotten is really selfish and childish.  Xiao is not Betcoin.  Xiao has benefitted the players.  Those two things are undeniable.  As a result continuing to attack Xiao for what you dont like about Betcoin is just plain wrong.  There is a betcoin thread for that.  There is a reason every thread here, on twoplustwo, on betcoin by fellow players and on every other forum has resulted in your group of busto crybabies being called mentally ill.  Because it is obvious you are.  No rational person does what you guys are doing.  It will accomlish nothing but waste time and unfairly hard the reputation of someone who doesn't deserve it (Xiao).

How dumb do you have to be to defend a site that has its players emails hacked and doesn't even acknowledge it because I am sure not able to plug the bug. Its customer service reps use profanity. They charge rake on whims with different rake being charged for different players. Big lol

Xiao is even dumber then you as he doesn't realize that wpn doesn't own betcoin . Dumb leading the dumb. A recipie that will bear ripe fruit to be sure.
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February 17, 2016, 12:45:30 AM
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I'm defending xiao. How dumb do you have to be to not see that. We are all sorry you guys are broke and need to beg for scraps but continuing to attack someone who is responsible for tens of thousands in rb that players have gotten wouldn't have otherwise gotten is really selfish and childish.  Xiao is not Betcoin.  Xiao has benefitted the players.  Those two things are undeniable.  As a result continuing to attack Xiao for what you dont like about Betcoin is just plain wrong.  There is a betcoin thread for that.  There is a reason every thread here, on twoplustwo, on betcoin by fellow players and on every other forum has resulted in your group of busto crybabies being called mentally ill.  Because it is obvious you are.  No rational person does what you guys are doing.  It will accomlish nothing but waste time and unfairly hard the reputation of someone who doesn't deserve it (Xiao).

How dumb do you have to be to defend a site that has its players emails hacked and doesn't even acknowledge it because I am sure not able to plug the bug. Its customer service reps use profanity. They charge rake on whims with different rake being charged for different players. Big lol

Xiao is even dumber then you as he doesn't realize that wpn doesn't own betcoin . Dumb leading the dumb. A recipie that will bear ripe fruit to be sure.

The unscrupulous scumbaggery is real.
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February 17, 2016, 02:21:30 AM
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Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

I have stated that betcoins players emails where hacked according to betcoin and betcoin has refused to make a comment on this. You are delusional get help. Xiao is saying wpn owns betcoin, this is an outright lie he has no clue what he is talking about obviously and should not attepmt to interject when he is so missinformed when grownups are speaking.

And what type of customer rep that you know of uses vulgar profanity when speaking to its  customers about getting fucked and an alleged woman customer service rep. You really need help if you think this is all okay and above board.

donk4u who the fuck are you kidding? you use the word "nigger" more liberally than people say hi goodbye or hello.... also when did support use profanity to a user? show proof u lying sack of shit.

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Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

I have stated that betcoins players emails where hacked according to betcoin and betcoin has refused to make a comment on this. You are delusional get help. Xiao is saying wpn owns betcoin, this is an outright lie he has no clue what he is talking about obviously and should not attepmt to interject when he is so missinformed when grownups are speaking.

And what type of customer rep that you know of uses vulgar profanity when speaking to its  customers about getting fucked and an alleged woman customer service rep. You really need help if you think this is all okay and above board.

donk4u who the fuck are you kidding? you use the word "nigger" more liberally than people say hi goodbye or hello.... also when did support use profanity to a user? show proof u lying sack of shit.

Yeah, this is something we def need to get to the bottom of. 

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Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

I have stated that betcoins players emails where hacked according to betcoin and betcoin has refused to make a comment on this. You are delusional get help. Xiao is saying wpn owns betcoin, this is an outright lie he has no clue what he is talking about obviously and should not attepmt to interject when he is so missinformed when grownups are speaking.

And what type of customer rep that you know of uses vulgar profanity when speaking to its  customers about getting fucked and an alleged woman customer service rep. You really need help if you think this is all okay and above board.

donk4u who the fuck are you kidding? you use the word "nigger" more liberally than people say hi goodbye or hello.... also when did support use profanity to a user? show proof u lying sack of shit.

Yeah, this is something we def need to get to the bottom of.  

It s in red and circled no less where the customer service lady rep used fucked 2x while speaking to ungod in chat you illiterate mowron. I am not  a customer service rep though . I agree its scumbaggery to have the sites emails hacked then person who hacked them sends emails to customers to change passwords and loots accounts according to emails sent to customers from betcoin when  betrcoin realised that emails have been compromized they didn't address the issue or how they planned to fix the bug . Then there is the issue of incorrect rake being charged . What a fiasco.
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February 17, 2016, 07:42:00 PM
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Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

I have stated that betcoins players emails where hacked according to betcoin and betcoin has refused to make a comment on this. You are delusional get help. Xiao is saying wpn owns betcoin, this is an outright lie he has no clue what he is talking about obviously and should not attepmt to interject when he is so missinformed when grownups are speaking.

And what type of customer rep that you know of uses vulgar profanity when speaking to its  customers about getting fucked and an alleged woman customer service rep. You really need help if you think this is all okay and above board.

donk4u who the fuck are you kidding? you use the word "nigger" more liberally than people say hi goodbye or hello.... also when did support use profanity to a user? show proof u lying sack of shit.

Yeah, this is something we def need to get to the bottom of.  

It s in red and circled no less where the customer service lady rep used fucked 2x while speaking to ungod in chat you illiterate mowron. I am not  a customer service rep though . I agree its scumbaggery to have the sites emails hacked then person who hacked them sends emails to customers to change passwords and loots accounts according to emails sent to customers from betcoin when  betrcoin realised that emails have been compromized they didn't address the issue or how they planned to fix the bug . Then there is the issue of incorrect rake being charged . What a fiasco.

Wow....when did this happen to you?  I didn't know people's accounts were "looted!"  They must have missed mine somehow.  How much rake do they owe you?  I think that if you talked to support they would help because they've always seemed supportive and generous when I've contacted them....But, I'm always patient and courteous when I talk to them....I don't know how they'd respond to me if I were being rude....dunno.  Sorry about your account....I hope you get what you lost back....Contact them and be calm, they'll help you, I'm sure.

I always look to reviews from their customers when I choose a pokersite and here's a few that I got for Betcoin.ag.

http://www.pokerscout.com/AllReviews.aspx?id=3132

http://www.bitace.co/bitcoin-poker-reviews/betcoin-poker-review/

http://bigcoinpokersites.com/sites/betcoin-poker/
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February 17, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
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Wow....when did this happen to you?  I didn't know people's accounts were "looted!"  They must have missed mine somehow.
Nobody in this thread has even claimed it happened to them.  Just that it happened.

Nobody said anything was "looted" so  why are you?  It's already explained in great detail, but since you don't think it's worth your time to read it yourself.

Did you play any cash games from 11/1/15 - 12/10/15?

If so, did you win any pots that were large enough to have the rake capped?

Did you receive less than 100% of your rake back from these post?

If you answered yes to all, they didn't miss you, you are owed money.



I always look to reviews from their customers when I choose a pokersite and here's a few that I got for Betcoin.ag.

http://www.pokerscout.com/AllReviews.aspx?id=3132

http://www.bitace.co/bitcoin-poker-reviews/betcoin-poker-review/

http://bigcoinpokersites.com/sites/betcoin-poker/


Pokerscout is alright I guess, but the rest are affiliate sites.  It's in their best interest to convince players to sign up for the sites by clicking the links on their site.  

If you want to read what other players think, go to forums like twoplustwo.com bitcointalk.org ...oh wait, you're already there.

If you're not a shill, please try to stop posting this condescending shit  " I think that if you talked to support they would help because they've always seemed supportive and generous when I've contacted them....But, I'm always patient and courteous when I talk to them....I don't know how they'd respond to me if I were being rude....dunno.  "

You're not an idiot, you see whats going on and how they treat people.  

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Twitchy, you're going on a non stop libeling rampage again.  I relayed to you what I'm told at Betcoin regarding the issues you've brought up.  I don't have to tell you what % I get or my address, or my passport #.  See where I'm going with this?

We both have the freedom to say pretty much whatever we want, let's just have a simple yet rational conversation about the way Betcoin is behaving ok?


I think we agree that Betcoin over raked their cash games last November/December

We disagree on how much they took and how long it went on.


Betcoin has maintained that the period was only 3-5 days and they feel no financial obligation.

I think it was happening for somewhere between 40-42 days for a very substantial amount, much more than 10 Bitcoin.  I also went into great detail explaining exactly how I came up with this conclusion while taking all the promos and rakeback into consideration.  I also shared evidence I gathered to back up my claim.  (Im not gonna repost it all since its ITT already, let me know if you can't find any part/I wasn't clear/somethings missing)

You have described it as a "brief period" for a "minuscule amount."  And so far have refused to elaborate.  


Do you still believe this is true?  If so, why? How are we coming to such different conclusions?


If you think any of my calculations are wrong or you find any sort of issue, i'm interested in your opinion.

What am I missing?

Do you think I could be right?









Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.




I am absolutely considering these players Xiao and I've said before, players obv shouldn't be entitled to any refund for hands played while they were receiving 100%+ rakeback.

What about the rec players?

Random Rec player  that has no idea who is affiliate is and only has time to play about 5 hours a week.  

He has a 5 bitcoin and set some goals or somthing.  trying to grind it up playing 1 or 2 tables of 200NL HU.

From October 30 - Dec 10 he played 5000 hands.

During that time, every pot over 200 chips that he won - Betcoin accidentally steals 4 chips from him.

Every 100 chip pot, they take 1.5 chips from him.

Any pot over 40 chips, Betcoin accidentally steals a little bit from him.

Do you think after the 5000 hands, this will add up to a minuscule amount for this player?



What about random degen who hits a slot jackpot and decides to sit at 25/50 to play a bumhunter for an hour.

During the over rake period, Betcoin would have taken over 140 chips from him without him ever noticing.

This went on from OCTOBER 30 to DECEMBER 10!  

I stopped bitching about the money Betcoin owes me long ago, and they probably would of paid me by now if I would just be quiet about all the people they rob who HAVE NO CLUE

I'm going to repost 2 screen shots.   Please try not to look at them like were just a bunch of fucking idiots. Unlike most users on this site, this isn't players complaining in hopes of a freebies.  


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Om g  customer support using profanity against players after ripping them off in rake not even willing to compensate players making lame rationilizations and after emails got hacked site wide this site should be avoided like the beaubonic plauge.
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