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August 09, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
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Anyone got a fundamental reason for me to buy this coin over all the other similar coins?

Look on the previous page at post 3044. Download the paper and decide for yourself.

Is there a TL;DR version before I start?

No. Don't be lazy when money is involved.

Haha, good point!

Just read the Summary and a few pages. Interesting concept, though I am not yet sure if it is 100% trustfree!
There is an option to do trusted teleports, but only recommended when doing it between two parties that have other methods to punish bad behavior, eg. between two departments of same company, family, yourself <-> yourself. The last one should be fine unless you suffer from multiple personalities Smiley The big advantage to trusted teleports is that the anon set that you can be correlated against is not just the clonings during a small (10 minute to 1 hour) time window, but the entire duration of time between your cloning and the next cloning of a telepod. Now if you dont even clone and just send an uncloned (trusted) telepod, well, now who can possibly identify you? The sender and receiver that you got the telepod from and sent it to. So, if you do this from a new acct that nobody knows is yours, even these two parties cannot compromise you.

The privacyServers I made optional, but it hides your IP address, so it is a very good option. They only see the destination of the encrypted packets, so not much harm even if they are compromised. With the multisig (up to 254 pieces) of each telepod being onion routed to random intermediate nodes, it will be quite difficult for any attacker to make much correlations, especially when overall Teleport traffic starts getting higher and higher.

Plz identify ANY trustpoints, I worked very hard to eliminate them, but I do make mistakes and the sooner they are identified and corrected, the sooner we all become safer from govt tyranny over our finances and by extension the rest of our lives

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August 09, 2014, 11:06:29 PM
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Here is the Dark Paper till someone posts it on this thread.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtWtJ6gzetSo2CNBHHO16FDLM5wF0_HhDTATzUKiVJ0/edit?usp=sharing

This is how i pictured it after a few reads though whilst was sleep deprived



Im sure i will keep adding to it after a few more reads  Grin
Yes, now make the exit the anon card Smiley

or make the exit go back to the one that created the telepod! That was Cassius's idea, very cool. You make a telepod, a bunch of transfers and clonings and eventually you get it back. With the chance of trusted teleports, not even sure how many people had the telepod, let alone who

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August 09, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
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can someone cut and paste sections of the DarkPaper and post them in sequence here?
If you open up half a dozen windows and prepare each one (make sure doesnt exceed size limit)
then you can post one after the other and make sure they are all consecutive
I want to make sure the text of DarkPaper is accessible even if my server is taken offline

I'm on it!

Edit:  btw, how do I know when I've reached the size limit
click preview if it doesnt fit there is warning

Just had it all ready to go and then my Firefox crashed and everything was gone when I reloaded it.  My daughter just woke up so unfortunately I'm unable to attempt this again.  Can someone please make this happen?

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August 09, 2014, 11:17:34 PM
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Anyone got a fundamental reason for me to buy this coin over all the other similar coins?

Look on the previous page at post 3044. Download the paper and decide for yourself.

Is there a TL;DR version before I start?

No. Don't be lazy when money is involved.

Haha, good point!

Just read the Summary and a few pages. Interesting concept, though I am not yet sure if it is 100% trustfree!


There is a mathematical analysis in progress by former uni maths professor mthcl. Peer review will be necessary as well.
Yes, I welcome any and all critiques. I always make mistakes, so there is a chance I didnt find all of them. I need everybody to imagine they are a pirate with the treasure (telepod) and using common sense see if anybody can trick you or steal it from you without you finding out.

Teleport doesnt rely on fancy math that few people can understand, so any intelligent person should be able to grasp the fundamentals. It might take several readings and some quality time thinking about it, dont worry if at first it doesnt seem to make sense. When I first got hit with this idea last week, I at first didnt believe it would work, but while there were some super tricky parts (entry, exit, error handling) with public sources of telepods (direct withdraw from Chinese exchange, faucets, aged telepod vendors!, tradebots), anon card to fiat, and 3000 lines of code, I believe these weak spots are fully addressed.

It is like going to the airport. You are fully identified, no chance to avoid being detected (maybe you can pass off some false identity docs, but lets not count on that). Now you are in midflight and Teleport! you are somewhere else and someone else is in your spot. Once in hyperspace an arbitrary number of tx later, Teleport back into your seat, you exit the plane go through customs and identified all over again.

So you see the entry and exit from Teleporting is the key weakness, we need to have people/tradebots/companies that dont mind being identified to do this public showing. Everything in between is virtually untraceable. A giant attacker with nearly infinite resources to monitor all Internet traffic, analyze any unencrypted chatter you make, could certainly get some non-random correlations on you. However, my assessment is that it would be much cheaper for them to just put a physical surveillance on you. What that means is that only criminals have to worry about the big brother, like it should be. Normal people doing normal things should not have to worry that ALL of their internet usage is logged into a govt database. It is happening and most dont know this. Maybe its no big deal, or maybe you use the wrong phrase, it gets flagged and some events later you are in some govt holding cell answering questions to some govt worker who is convinced you are evil criminal.

Govt have way too much power. Money is very strong and not only do they just print it, they are trying to monitor every single use of it.

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August 09, 2014, 11:21:28 PM
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Mirrors for the Darkpaper:
https://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/0G9JRRFF/jl777-Teleport-DarkPaper.doc_links
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August 09, 2014, 11:23:54 PM
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Here is the Dark Paper till someone posts it on this thread.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtWtJ6gzetSo2CNBHHO16FDLM5wF0_HhDTATzUKiVJ0/edit?usp=sharing

This is how i pictured it after a few reads though whilst was sleep deprived



Im sure i will keep adding to it after a few more reads  Grin
Yes, now make the exit the anon card Smiley

or make the exit go back to the one that created the telepod! That was Cassius's idea, very cool. You make a telepod, a bunch of transfers and clonings and eventually you get it back. With the chance of trusted teleports, not even sure how many people had the telepod, let alone who

James
any chance for diagram of a 100 of 254 multisig teleport?
then overlay many of them at the same time onto the same set of nodes
this is what I envisioned and was hard to sleep much Smiley

If all the nodes are always participating in creation or retransmit of telepod multisig fragments, then there is no way to know if they are sending or receiving especially since the size of a retransmit packet is the same as an originate packet. So these packets are flying all across Internet in encrypted point to point UDP packets (each hub that can accept UDP is a point) and after M of them are received by the receiving node, the teleport is complete. I think there is a bit of a weakness here with the current implementation. The response packet has different size than the fragments, so packet size analysis could detect you just received a complete telepod. Granted it would not be easy to trace back from where, but I want to eliminate all leaks, so need to add to the todo list to make all packets the same size. This is not so good for network capacity, maybe I make this an option at higher privacy level

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August 09, 2014, 11:25:47 PM
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cool!
never knew such services existed
So, now the DarkPaper is out and cannot be erased
I feel better

When I get stable source code, we need to do the same with it so if anything does happen to me, others can continue my work

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August 09, 2014, 11:42:58 PM
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AVAST gave me a virus threat notice, so I passed on downloading this.....

*ANY chance to convert this to .pdf format and get that link up here?

~darylluke.
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AVAST gave me a virus threat notice, so I passed on downloading this.....

*ANY chance to convert this to .pdf format and get that link up here?

~darylluke.

I have a shared google doc a few posts up if that is any better.





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August 09, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
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AVAST gave me a virus threat notice, so I passed on downloading this.....

*ANY chance to convert this to .pdf format and get that link up here?

~darylluke.
http://209.126.70.170/DarkPaper.pdf

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August 09, 2014, 11:47:57 PM
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Anybody else having trouble accessing btcd.xpool.ca  ?  It is hashing fine but cant see my miner stats

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August 09, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
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Alternate viewing of Dark Paper can be found at:

http://www.flipgorilla.com/p/23023990364728535/show

.pdf download available also.
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I'm just using the Windows BitcoinDark-qt. I could really do with more information about stuff like backing up/restoring wallets, using keys, etc. Is that information in this long thread or elsewhere - I haven't been able to find it.
+1 and how to stake our BTCD safely & efficently
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August 10, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
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*DARK PAPER (PDF) guidelines/explanation of Bitcoindark just issued by develop James:

http://209.126.70.170/DarkPaper.pdf

~darylluke.
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August 10, 2014, 12:08:34 AM
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dark.xpool.ca is currently down :/

Not sure if I'll receive outstanding accepted shares this time around.  Price currently ~0.00365 on Cryptsy.  Massive dumping taking place.

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August 10, 2014, 12:10:57 AM
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Some very big names in this sphere are now reading the Dark Paper PDF.

PR campaign may need to move their start date up. Not sure. We will see. (They are all silent right now...)

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Some very big names in this sphere are now reading the Dark Paper PDF.

PR campaign may need to move their start date up. Not sure. We will see. (They are all silent right now...)

~darylluke.

How would you know who is reading the paper?
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August 10, 2014, 12:20:06 AM
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*DARK PAPER (PDF) guidelines/explanation of Bitcoindark just issued by develop James:

http://209.126.70.170/DarkPaper.pdf

~darylluke.
Arrrr matie!  Hop along Willie they call's me and wantin to become a teleport node I am.  No love for those scurvvy dog's at the East India Trading company have I!  I'll spit in thar eye with me dying breath I will!

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August 10, 2014, 12:37:33 AM
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FUD

FUNK




I really think this coin can pass DRK.

There will be a few dumps during the travel and some panic selling, but this coin can get there 100%

We have way less coins in circulation!

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August 10, 2014, 01:20:13 AM
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Some very big names in this sphere are now reading the Dark Paper PDF.

PR campaign may need to move their start date up. Not sure. We will see. (They are all silent right now...)

~darylluke.

PR campaign without fully finalized features will only lead to p&d which is not desirable. Of course you could spread the word to increase awareness, but too much hype without the product will only lead to unhealthy increase in price. (we all know how it can generate negative atmosphere in the forums when correlation happens.)

Long Term projects needs some patience Smiley
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