BTCD is no more

[syberwolfen]

can someone explain why there such a drop

Sure, jl777 is fuming because the latest NXT update broke his SuperNET and he's threatening to abandon NXT. You can find out more here:

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/

so the best advice is to sit tight and expect they won't f.... us with sand paper

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[Bitinvestor]

so the best advice is to sit tight and expect they won't f.... us with sand paper

Correct 

[iCEBREAKER]

can someone explain why there such a drop

Sure, jl777 is fuming because the latest NXT update broke his SuperNET and he's threatening to abandon NXT. You can find out more here:

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/

...and that's why jl777 should have avoided the Dependency Hell of building SuperNet on top of NXT on top of Java.

Remember kids, dependencies are pure kryptonite to poor old SuperNet.

Of course, if jl777 wanted a sort-of plausible reason to rage-quit the project(s), this provides a perfect opportunity.

In fairness to jl777, NXT was foolish to break the only high profile project of note (however dubious) still being built on its shitplatform.

Pro tip for jl777: port your project(s) to ETH.  ETH is a general purpose distributed computer that makes obsolete scripted environments such as NXT look like "pocket calculators" (quoting Nick Szabo).

[Bitinvestor]

Pro tip for jl777: port your project(s) to ETH.  ETH is a general purpose distributed computer that makes obsolete scripted environments such as NXT look like "pocket calculators" (quoting Nick Szabo).

As far as I know (and I don't follow ETH actively), ETH isn't stable either. It might be an even bigger can of worms than NXT. Last thing I heard is that they're running out of money

[l8orre]

nope - jl777 is not threatening to 'abandon' NXT, and he never has.
what he is doing is implementing some NXT functionality that SuperNET uses into SuperNET/BTCD.

it is a long story and much hyperbole, so please don't jump to hysterical conclusions.

What happens is that SuperNET/BTCD tech gets more streamlined.

[Bitinvestor]

nope - jl777 is not threatening to 'abandon' NXT, and he never has.
what he is doing is implementing some NXT functionality that SuperNET uses into SuperNET/BTCD.

it is a long story and much hyperbole, so please don't jump to hysterical conclusions.

What happens is that SuperNET/BTCD tech gets more streamlined.

I do tend to choose my words carefully and I think the bolded part qualifies as "threatening to abandon NXT":

There was no discussion with the SuperNET team about the 1.6.2 breaking all the installed base. The only "discussion" happened after I complained about it not being backward compatible. And this "discussion" was basically a confirmation that the promise of backward compatibility that was made last year is not being honored.

There have been many customer support issues due to the breaking of the API and a lot of unreported cases where the customers just stop using SuperNET (and NXT)

I have been assured that with each NXT release that there will likely NOT be any backward compatibility of the API, which means anything that uses it will likely break and need unknown amounts of testing, requalification and of course customer support and field update issues.

It is not possible to deploy a large scale system using a "platform" that isnt backward compatible due to the breaking of all the ALREADY installed and running systems. With decentralized systems it is not possible for centrally force an update on users. Just look at some of the versions NXT peers are still running. Therefore anything that is guaranteed to break is certainly not worth spending marketing dollars to acquire the installed base for.

The NXT devs lack a fundamental understanding about business reality and I am extremely disappointed in the breaking of the promise to keep things backward compatible. The ONLY exception is if there is an attack vector. Local node performance is not any excuse.

Due to this, I am rethinking my reliance on NXT for SuperNET. I have quite a lot of code that takes all my time to create and to be assured that I will have to keep reworking it forever due to backward compatibility breaking with each release. This is not practical for me.

So, NXT will have a more efficient API with much fewer users. That is the effect of this breaking of the backward compatibility promise.

Anyway, the first effect of all this is that ALL of my projects will be delayed. I will wait for NXT API to stabilize before I waste my time. The most likely scenario is that I will just remove all dependency on NXT and put whatever functions I need into BTCD.

James

tl:dr it is a MAJOR breach of trust as far as I am concerned that the API backward compatibility promise has been violated and I cannot rely on NXT for any important SuperNET functions.

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/80/

[l8orre]

Anyway, the first effect of all this is that ALL of my projects will be delayed. I will wait for NXT API to stabilize before I waste my time. The most likely scenario is that I will just remove all dependency on NXT and put whatever functions I need into BTCD.
 

exactly.

Define 'abandon' in this context please.

[Bitinvestor]

Define 'abandon' in this context please.

To remove all dependency on NXT.

[barbierir]

This probably explains what he's going to do, no need to panic:

Quote from: Cassius on Today at 12:10:10 am

    Folks - just had a long chat with James on Slack. Given the mud that's been slung around here the past few days, he doesn't want to make a personal appearance right now but wanted to clear up a few things:

    Backwards compatibility is obviously a huge issue for maintaining working software. There's a lot of understandable upset around that whole situation still, but the bottom line is that without it, some functionality will end up moving to BTCD. James will be working on that now. Bc on Nxt may or may not be a resolvable issue - that's very uncertain at the moment. That is a dialogue that needs to continue within the community.

    As has always been the case, Nxt will remain the financial platform for SuperNET, so all the jl777 assets will continue to be hosted on Nxt.

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[l8orre]

Define 'abandon' in this context please.

To remove all dependency on NXT.

I find that definition of 'to abandon' really silly.

[david1365]

However, all this fights is in favor of BitcoinDark, please don't feed to trolls more than this.
If you want to participate in this discussion, please join to SuperNET slack http://slackinvite.supernet.org/

[barbierir]

Official statement published:
http://www.supernet.org/blog/2015/11/11/for-immediate-release-111115/

[tyz]

is this the reason why my supernet lite client is not working properly at the moment? i have not access to my assets and transactions :/

Official statement published:
http://www.supernet.org/blog/2015/11/11/for-immediate-release-111115/

[Bitinvestor]

is this the reason why my supernet lite client is not working properly at the moment? i have not access to my assets and transactions :/

Official statement published:
http://www.supernet.org/blog/2015/11/11/for-immediate-release-111115/

Probably. If you update to the latest version it should work again.

[tyz]

Thanks, i have used 2.0.6 version. just saw that there is 2.0.7 version available now. will try it.

is this the reason why my supernet lite client is not working properly at the moment? i have not access to my assets and transactions :/

Official statement published:
http://www.supernet.org/blog/2015/11/11/for-immediate-release-111115/

Probably. If you update to the latest version it should work again.

[etoque]

Just bought some... More than a years not see 200k

[tyz]

Glad i bought a bunch of coin when it was at 72 $-Cent. Bitcoindark is one of the most undervalued coins out there, so it was just a question of time until we see $1 again.

http://imgur.com/fy8wl5Q

Bitcoindark is up about 30% in last 24 hours.

I'm thinking about finally investing after following Bitcoindark for months.

[bitkokos2]

I bought it when it was $6+
still hodling 

[nix_on]

I bought it when it was $6+
still hodling 

nice deal 

[Nxtblg]

Glad i bought a bunch of coin when it was at 72 $-Cent. Bitcoindark is one of the most undervalued coins out there, so it was just a question of time until we see $1 again.

I bought some more around there too, but only a teeny amount.