[ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes

[thelonecrouton]

So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home?

 

If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)

You can run bitcoind on a pi with a bit of effort but spreadcoind in Masternode mode is going to have a shitload more overhead, I don't think a pi is going to cut it. Plenty of better spec'd cheap little SOC boards out there though.

And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.

[thelonecrouton]

That's cool.so is that possible to  run tens of MN in my LAN with the same IP ?

Currently each Darkcoin Masternode needs its own discrete IP.

[georgem]

So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home?

 

If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)

You can run bitcoind on a pi with a bit of effort but spreadcoind in Masternode mode is going to have a shitload more overhead, I don't think a pi is going to cut it. Plenty of better spec'd cheap little SOC boards out there though.

And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.

Maybe a banana pi?
Maybe I will just designate one of my pcs and make it a home-run-masternode.
I think my internet connection is fast enough, and from march onwards I will have fibre at home (down/up both 100MBit)

But security concerns me quite very much, since you will not only compromise a server, but your whole home-network this way.
But if I understand Mr.Spread correctly, SPR masternodes will not necessarily need to broadcast their IP, so this could be a good thing...

So regarding the overhead of a masternode, how much CPU / RAM does a darkcoin masternode usually need to successfully run?

[georgem]

And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.

Well ofcourse the daemon is just the same for wallet and masternode, but they run in a different mode, right?

But it's not like with darkcoin you had your QT-wallet on your home-pc act like a masternode, right? But maybe SPR will allow for that.

(sorry for the dumb questions, I never ran a masternode, but I plan to, soon, side by side with a SPR node, :-) )

[thelonecrouton]

And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.

Well ofcourse the daemon is just the same for wallet and masternode, but they run in a different mode, right?

But it's not like with darkcoin you had your QT-wallet on your home-pc act like a masternode, right? But maybe SPR will allow for that.

(sorry for the dumb questions, I never ran a masternode, but I plan to, soon, side by side with a SPR node, :-) )

The QT client is just the daemon with some GUI stuff on top, you can run a MN via the QT just fine, but then your CPU/RAM/HD etc. requirements are all double because you need all the extra stuff for the GUI client to work, so you're having to run/rent a beefier server... why bother? It's easier and cheaper to use the CLI daemon.

Nothing stopping you from running a MN at home using the QT client if that's what you want to do though.

[georgem]

The QT client is just the daemon with some GUI stuff on top, you can run a MN via the QT just fine, but then your CPU/RAM/HD etc. requirements are all double because you need all the extra stuff for the GUI client to work, so you're having to run/rent a beefier server... why bother? It's easier and cheaper to use the CLI daemon.

Nothing stopping you from running a MN at home using the QT client if that's what you want to do though.

Ok, I never thought of it this way...

[e1ghtSpace]

I was thinking that the problem with a dynamic ip is that when it changes you'll need to wait another 2 days (or whatever) to get accepted as a masternode again. But I assume Mr. Spread will make it so that your masternode key is remembered.

[thelonecrouton]

I was thinking that the problem with a dynamic ip is that when it changes you'll need to wait another 2 days (or whatever) to get accepted as a masternode again. But I assume Mr. Spread will make it so that your masternode key is remembered.

I'm testing whether a Darkcoin Masternode actually needs a static IP. Just fired one up on testnet from my laptop. (Using the QT client, georgem! )

I think that once the masternodeprivkey has been generated, linking the controlling wallet to that 1000DRK vin, that's all the network cares about, if the MN IP changes it should still broadcast itself as a MN and be accepted as one. You shouldn't lose your place in the payment queue unless your MN is offline for over an hour, 71 minutes or something I believe.

I could of course be completely wrong.  

edit: OK, fired up the MN, checked that it appeared in the masternode list on another testnet MN I have running on a VPS elsewhere, then disconnected the home MN from one ISP and reconnected via another. debug log shows masternodey activity continuing but masternode list on remote VPS MN still lists my home MN with the previous IP. I will leave it a while and see how it goes. Proof will be it recieving a payment in due course...

edit2: Found this in debug.log:"2015-01-18 19:57:27 receive version message: /Satoshi:0.10.17.16/: version 70051, blocks=94034, us=146.156.164:19999, them=108.61.203.206:19999, peer=107.191.48.59:47354" - local MN is definitely still functioning as a MN after the IP switch. 

[DavidR]

Mr. Spread, someone posted about your recent masternode revelations in the Darkcoin thread and the lead developer responded.  I just thought it would be worth you seeing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10197711#msg10197711

[defunctec]

Mr. Spread, someone posted about your recent masternode revelations in the Darkcoin thread and the lead developer responded.  I just thought it would be worth you seeing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10197711#msg10197711

If a individual hosted his MN from home and it will unstable, he would lose out on income.

This would be soon sorted out if that individual becomes financially hit.

Ofcourse Evan want's to see solid reliable servers, but this can be achieved at home!

[e1ghtSpace]

I was thinking that the problem with a dynamic ip is that when it changes you'll need to wait another 2 days (or whatever) to get accepted as a masternode again. But I assume Mr. Spread will make it so that your masternode key is remembered.

I'm testing whether a Darkcoin Masternode actually needs a static IP. Just fired one up on testnet from my laptop. (Using the QT client, georgem! )

I think that once the masternodeprivkey has been generated, linking the controlling wallet to that 1000DRK vin, that's all the network cares about, if the MN IP changes it should still broadcast itself as a MN and be accepted as one. You shouldn't lose your place in the payment queue unless your MN is offline for over an hour, 71 minutes or something I believe.

I could of course be completely wrong.  

edit: OK, fired up the MN, checked that it appeared in the masternode list on another testnet MN I have running on a VPS elsewhere, then disconnected the home MN from one ISP and reconnected via another. debug log shows masternodey activity continuing but masternode list on remote VPS MN still lists my home MN with the previous IP. I will leave it a while and see how it goes. Proof will be it recieving a payment in due course...

edit2: Found this in debug.log:"2015-01-18 19:57:27 receive version message: /Satoshi:0.10.17.16/: version 70051, blocks=94034, us=146.156.164:19999, them=108.61.203.206:19999, peer=107.191.48.59:47354" - local MN is definitely still functioning as a MN after the IP switch. 

Great news! Ok, i'm glad I won't need to use a VPS.
I hope to set up a masternode really early so that I get a lot of payments before others have got theirs setup.

[e1ghtSpace]

Mr. Spread, someone posted about your recent masternode revelations in the Darkcoin thread and the lead developer responded.  I just thought it would be worth you seeing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10197711#msg10197711

If a individual hosted his MN from home and it will unstable, he would lose out on income.

This would be soon sorted out if that individual becomes financially hit.

Ofcourse Evan want's to see solid reliable servers, but this can be achieved at home!

Do you need to wait a long time before your masternode is accepted into the network?

Hopefully when i'm running my masternode it won't be unstable. Well, at least more stable then bitcoincloud.eu which seemed to either crash every day or two or auto-restart for no apparent reason. Don't use them.

[georgem]

Since the first spreacoin masternodes will only do instant transaction (but that hopefully very professionally) and no anonymization, maybe we will not need any expensive servers etc...

Instead what we may end up with are thousands of "entitites" that can be as common as the wallets themselves.

We will see, if spreadcoin can make truly accessible masternodes that don't need you to invest an arm and a leg to take part.

[thelonecrouton]

I was thinking that the problem with a dynamic ip is that when it changes you'll need to wait another 2 days (or whatever) to get accepted as a masternode again. But I assume Mr. Spread will make it so that your masternode key is remembered.

I'm testing whether a Darkcoin Masternode actually needs a static IP. Just fired one up on testnet from my laptop. (Using the QT client, georgem! )

I think that once the masternodeprivkey has been generated, linking the controlling wallet to that 1000DRK vin, that's all the network cares about, if the MN IP changes it should still broadcast itself as a MN and be accepted as one. You shouldn't lose your place in the payment queue unless your MN is offline for over an hour, 71 minutes or something I believe.

I could of course be completely wrong.  

edit: OK, fired up the MN, checked that it appeared in the masternode list on another testnet MN I have running on a VPS elsewhere, then disconnected the home MN from one ISP and reconnected via another. debug log shows masternodey activity continuing but masternode list on remote VPS MN still lists my home MN with the previous IP. I will leave it a while and see how it goes. Proof will be it recieving a payment in due course...

edit2: Found this in debug.log:"2015-01-18 19:57:27 receive version message: /Satoshi:0.10.17.16/: version 70051, blocks=94034, us=146.156.164:19999, them=108.61.203.206:19999, peer=107.191.48.59:47354" - local MN is definitely still functioning as a MN after the IP switch. 

Great news! Ok, i'm glad I won't need to use a VPS.
I hope to set up a masternode really early so that I get a lot of payments before others have got theirs setup.

Bear in mind that just because it may be possible, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

With the 1 IP per MN requirement, it's going to be cheaper to rent X VPS instances than rent X IP addresses from your ISP, and those VPS instances are almost certainly going to have faster and more reliable connectivity than your domestic connection.

And you can rent VPS's without having to sign up for any kind of contract... good luck getting your ISP to plumb you in an extra ten IP's for a few bucks a month without having to sign up for a big upfront cost and a 6/12 month contractual obligation to keep paying.

It is, however, nice to have the option.

[e1ghtSpace]

I was thinking that the problem with a dynamic ip is that when it changes you'll need to wait another 2 days (or whatever) to get accepted as a masternode again. But I assume Mr. Spread will make it so that your masternode key is remembered.

I'm testing whether a Darkcoin Masternode actually needs a static IP. Just fired one up on testnet from my laptop. (Using the QT client, georgem! )

I think that once the masternodeprivkey has been generated, linking the controlling wallet to that 1000DRK vin, that's all the network cares about, if the MN IP changes it should still broadcast itself as a MN and be accepted as one. You shouldn't lose your place in the payment queue unless your MN is offline for over an hour, 71 minutes or something I believe.

I could of course be completely wrong.  

edit: OK, fired up the MN, checked that it appeared in the masternode list on another testnet MN I have running on a VPS elsewhere, then disconnected the home MN from one ISP and reconnected via another. debug log shows masternodey activity continuing but masternode list on remote VPS MN still lists my home MN with the previous IP. I will leave it a while and see how it goes. Proof will be it recieving a payment in due course...

edit2: Found this in debug.log:"2015-01-18 19:57:27 receive version message: /Satoshi:0.10.17.16/: version 70051, blocks=94034, us=146.156.164:19999, them=108.61.203.206:19999, peer=107.191.48.59:47354" - local MN is definitely still functioning as a MN after the IP switch. 

Great news! Ok, i'm glad I won't need to use a VPS.
I hope to set up a masternode really early so that I get a lot of payments before others have got theirs setup.

Bear in mind that just because it may be possible, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

With the 1 IP per MN requirement, it's going to be cheaper to rent X VPS instances than rent X IP addresses from your ISP, and those VPS instances are almost certainly going to have faster and more reliable connectivity than your domestic connection.

And you can rent VPS's without having to sign up for any kind of contract... good luck getting your ISP to plumb you in an extra ten IP's for a few bucks a month without having to sign up for a big upfront cost and a 6/12 month contractual obligation to keep paying.

It is, however, nice to have the option.

I'm only going own one masternode so that isn't a problem.

Do you know how I can accept incoming connections? Do I need to portforward and change something in the .conf file?

[thelonecrouton]

We will see, if spreadcoin can make truly accessible masternodes that don't need you to invest an arm and a leg to take part.

Dirt cheap to set up means dirt cheap for bad actors to set up... but as I have previously prophesied, they aren't going be dirt cheap for long.

[thelonecrouton]

Do you know how I can accept incoming connections? Do I need to portforward and change something in the .conf file?

Depends on your setup, I didn't have to do anything at all, just put the usual lines in the config file, stick 1000 (t)DRK in one lump into a new address in-wallet, wait for 15 confirmations, and 'masternode start <wallet-passphrase>'

My darkcoin.conf looks like this, if you're curious:

Code:

testnet=1
rpcuser=me
rpcpassword=meme
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
listen=1
server=1
daemon=1
logtimestamps=1
maxconnections=256
addnode=23.23.186.131
masternode=1
externalip=x.x.x.x:19999
masternodeprivkey=93VPyfxazrm1fR2JQuqgP8RWsfCbBMDUuxgW1BgWqPtzgAM4yvT

MN just been paid BTW, definitely works. I'm going to change the IP again and see what happens but I'm confident.

Darkcoin's testnet is free to use...   - give it a try!

[e1ghtSpace]

Do you know how I can accept incoming connections? Do I need to portforward and change something in the .conf file?

Depends on your setup, I didn't have to do anything at all, just put the usual lines in the config file, stick 1000 (t)DRK in one lump into a new address in-wallet, wait for 15 confirmations, and 'masternode start <wallet-passphrase>'

My darkcoin.conf looks like this, if you're curious:

Code:

testnet=1
rpcuser=me
rpcpassword=meme
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
listen=1
server=1
daemon=1
logtimestamps=1
maxconnections=256
addnode=23.23.186.131
masternode=1
externalip=x.x.x.x:19999
masternodeprivkey=93VPyfxazrm1fR2JQuqgP8RWsfCbBMDUuxgW1BgWqPtzgAM4yvT

MN just been paid BTW, definitely works. I'm going to change the IP again and see what happens but I'm confident.

Darkcoin's testnet is free to use...   - give it a try!

Awesome. What is externalip?
and what is the port for Spreadcoin?
How much testnet drk for a masternode?
How did you get the masternodeprivkey? Private key? why did you post it? Ah well, it guess it is the testnet.

[thelonecrouton]

Do you know how I can accept incoming connections? Do I need to portforward and change something in the .conf file?

Depends on your setup, I didn't have to do anything at all, just put the usual lines in the config file, stick 1000 (t)DRK in one lump into a new address in-wallet, wait for 15 confirmations, and 'masternode start <wallet-passphrase>'

My darkcoin.conf looks like this, if you're curious:

Code:

testnet=1
rpcuser=me
rpcpassword=meme
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
listen=1
server=1
daemon=1
logtimestamps=1
maxconnections=256
addnode=23.23.186.131
masternode=1
externalip=x.x.x.x:19999
masternodeprivkey=93VPyfxazrm1fR2JQuqgP8RWsfCbBMDUuxgW1BgWqPtzgAM4yvT

MN just been paid BTW, definitely works. I'm going to change the IP again and see what happens but I'm confident.

Darkcoin's testnet is free to use...  - give it a try!

Awesome. What is externalip?
and what is the port for Spreadcoin?
How much testnet drk for a masternode?
How did you get the masternodeprivkey? Private key? why did you post it? Ah well, it guess it is the testnet.

externalip is the public IP of whatever computer the wallet is running on. I'm not even sure it needs to be there, but I haven't tried without it yet.

Port for Spread is 41678 I believe.

Darkcoin testnet MNs require 1000 tDRK, same as mainnet MNs require 1000 DRK. There's a faucet you can grab some from.

You generate the masternodeprivkey like this:
1. Make sure you don't have masternode=1 in your conf file, or have masternode=0
2. Make sure you have a 1000 (t)DRK vin somewhere in your wallet, all in one lump.
3. At console, 'masternode genkey'
... then cut/paste the masternodeprivkey=<whatever> line to your conf and add masternode=1 line too, and restart wallet.

[e1ghtSpace]

Thanks thelonecrouton.

Btw stream is live: http://youtu.be/jkcFTNd4lfA