[SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge]

[dooglus]

I don't think by naming that person I will prove anything. He is not directly to blame, most of this is on us.

What? He deliberately added code to cheat your players.

How is he not to blame?

You're to blame too, for putting his code live, but he's also to blame for writing the malicious code! How is it fair for him to do this and remain anonymous? Someone else might employ him and get fucked over in the same way.

[CoinRollin]

I still don't understand why people insist on trusting random people on the internet with zero track record with millions.

I'm going to make the wild assumption that this would explain why DB's profit/investments has skyrocketed the past week. I can't see how the nonce skipping can be argued to be anything except for deliberate scamming especially given the positive profit result. 

I can't understand it too.

If codes is not written very-well, nonce's could be skipping because of database asynchronous, but putting the blame on a mysterious "dude" is draws attention.

[a1choi]

But 1 thing doesn't add up to DiceBitcoin's story. Why wouldn't the new guy just implement a code to auto withdraw a little bit in the hot wallet every now and then (draining it completely over time).. Doesn't add up.

The new developer apparently had the ability to put whatever changes he wanted live.

The obvious thing to do would be to allow himself to see his server seed. Then he could win undetectably whenever he wanted.

The way the site was stealing from players in a very obvious way makes no sense that I can see other than as an act of sabotage.

If you give dicebitcoin the ultimate benefit of the doubt and assume that there was a "rogue employee" you still have to take into account that they let a random untrustworthy person access their code and thus jeopardize all users on the website. This is the best case scenario, when users trusted you on Just-Dice, they did so assuming you wouldn't do something like that. In my opinion this seems pretty damning. I don't see why a rogue employee would choose to steal in this manner either.

perhaps the "rogue employee" is the hero in this story.  finding some bad code either commented out or set to only affect a small % of bets, and he instead opens it full-blown on a few accounts so that it comes out.  who knows.  or the operators are just not as trustworthy as people think they are.  time will tell as this unravels.

[Gws24]

This one is funny; skipped a winning one but the next one is win as well

[dooglus]

as someone mentioned already, you should pay those winning bets as well, not just refund what was lost

Of course.

If I bet 1 BTC at 10%, ten times, I'm expected to win once and lose 9 times.

If you just refund the one time I lost when I should have won, and not the 9 times when I really lost, I'm still down 9 BTC instead of being roughly breakeven.

The bets which were settled wrongly need to be settled correctly, not cancelled.

[a1choi]

This one is funny; skipped a winning one but the next one is win as well

it could only "see" one bet in the future.. apparently is the code.  Doog has shown that to be the case previously in Finnile's bets

[Stunna]

I don't think by naming that person I will prove anything. He is not directly to blame, most of this is on us.

What? He deliberately added code to cheat your players.

How is he not to blame?

You're to blame too, for putting his code live, but he's also to blame for writing the malicious code! How is it fair for him to do this and remain anonymous? Someone else might employ him and get fucked over in the same way.

There's zero reason not to post that info, I highly doubt this person exists though which is your reason. If someone did this to me I would go to the ends of the world to make sure they were never employed again.

I still find it impossible to believe that your site randomly hired someone and gave him full access to server seeds without making any public statement. This seems very unlikely.

[Gws24]

It also seems there was a minimum bet amount needed for the nonce to skip since in between those 0.05 bets where I found nonces skipped I also made 0.00001 bets and no nonces where skipped.

[finnile]

It also seems there was a minimum bet amount needed for the nonce to skip since in between those 0.05 bets where I found nonces skipped I also made 0.00001 bets and no nonces where skipped.

ACtually NO. After I lost big, I started bets 100 sats. And It happened every time.
This is what was happening.

http://imgur.com/tYIyCHx

And after this I was just betting 100 sats for over an hour, with 80% losing bets.

[a1choi]

I don't think by naming that person I will prove anything. He is not directly to blame, most of this is on us.

What? He deliberately added code to cheat your players.

How is he not to blame?

You're to blame too, for putting his code live, but he's also to blame for writing the malicious code! How is it fair for him to do this and remain anonymous? Someone else might employ him and get fucked over in the same way.

There's zero reason not to post that info, I highly doubt this person exists though which is your reason. If someone did this to me I would go to the ends of the world to make sure they were never employed again.

I still find it impossible to believe that your site randomly hired someone and gave him full access to server seeds without making any public statement. I'm not buying any of this.

I agree.  this "employee" totally ruins your credibility.  i'd be fucking pissed off and out for blood.

[Stars]

as someone mentioned already, you should pay those winning bets as well, not just refund what was lost

Of course.

If I bet 1 BTC at 10%, ten times, I'm expected to win once and lose 9 times.

If you just refund the one time I lost when I should have won, and not the 9 times when I really lost, I'm still down 9 BTC instead of being roughly breakeven.

The bets which were settled wrongly need to be settled correctly, not cancelled.

Well as I stated above in my post, I should have won over 55 BTC + if the seeds weren't rigged in their favor. Instead I'm getting back 35.1 BTC. So they should definitely re-consider how they're approaching this.

[Stunna]

But 1 thing doesn't add up to DiceBitcoin's story. Why wouldn't the new guy just implement a code to auto withdraw a little bit in the hot wallet every now and then (draining it completely over time).. Doesn't add up.

The new developer apparently had the ability to put whatever changes he wanted live.

The obvious thing to do would be to allow himself to see his server seed. Then he could win undetectably whenever he wanted.

The way the site was stealing from players in a very obvious way makes no sense that I can see other than as an act of sabotage.

I'd like to note that dicebitco.in does not show the bet ID in all bets/high bets thus it wouldn't be very likely for someone to notice a nonce skip especially if this was only effecting users wagering large amounts. There is no way to audit results of other users without them sharing. This is my counter to dooglus's argument that this seems too obvious and appears to be sabotage. Heading out for now, I've left feedback for the time being.

[dogedice.me]

I'd like to note that dicebitco.in does not show the bet ID in all bets/high bets thus it wouldn't be very likely for someone to notice a nonce skip especially if this was only effecting users wagering large amounts. There is no way to audit results of other users without them sharing. This is my counter to dooglus's argument that this seems too obvious and appears to be sabotage. Heading out for now, I've left feedback for the time being.

Or "fixing" a site's profit, to attract more investors.

[dooglus]

If you give dicebitcoin the ultimate benefit of the doubt and assume that there was a "rogue employee" you still have to take into account that they let a random untrustworthy person access their code and thus jeopardize all users on the website. This is the best case scenario, when users trusted you on Just-Dice, they did so assuming you wouldn't do something like that. In my opinion this seems pretty damning. I don't see why a rogue employee would choose to steal in this manner either.

Also, why would someone in that position want to sabotage that website when their potential gain from having that sort of access is so great. He could literally just view the serverseeds and win millions while remaining undetected. The only reason for something like this to occur is to boost the profit of the website.

Yes, trusting random new people to change the site's code is crazy.

And I really don't see why anyone would chose to rob a few users in a very obvious way when they have the option of stealing using the seeds in an invisible way, forever. People don't seem to care if the site's profit is at 0.3% instead of 1% - it's easily explained by variance.

[JoeMattie]

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[Gws24]

If you give dicebitcoin the ultimate benefit of the doubt and assume that there was a "rogue employee" you still have to take into account that they let a random untrustworthy person access their code and thus jeopardize all users on the website. This is the best case scenario, when users trusted you on Just-Dice, they did so assuming you wouldn't do something like that. In my opinion this seems pretty damning. I don't see why a rogue employee would choose to steal in this manner either.

Also, why would someone in that position want to sabotage that website when their potential gain from having that sort of access is so great. He could literally just view the serverseeds and win millions while remaining undetected. The only reason for something like this to occur is to boost the profit of the website.

Yes, trusting random new people to change the site's code is crazy.

And I really don't see why anyone would chose to rob a few users in a very obvious way when they have the option of stealing using the seeds in an invisible way, forever. People don't seem to care if the site's profit is at 0.3% instead of 1% - it's easily explained by variance.

This! they could easily have made winning bets on different accounts knowing the server seed skimming a few btc a day off the top. The way this was done was just retarded and manl doesn't strike me as retarded so i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

[bittathisbittathat]

I don't think by naming that person I will prove anything. He is not directly to blame, most of this is on us.

What? He deliberately added code to cheat your players.

How is he not to blame?

You're to blame too, for putting his code live, but he's also to blame for writing the malicious code! How is it fair for him to do this and remain anonymous? Someone else might employ him and get fucked over in the same way.

Seems obvious to me why they don't want to name him,

A - He doesn't exist

B - He exists and it leads to the owners being outed publicly

[21pilot]

I don't think by naming that person I will prove anything. He is not directly to blame, most of this is on us.

What? He deliberately added code to cheat your players.

How is he not to blame?

You're to blame too, for putting his code live, but he's also to blame for writing the malicious code! How is it fair for him to do this and remain anonymous? Someone else might employ him and get fucked over in the same way.

come on dooglus, you´re a smart man  
There never was this employee and this is simply a made up bullshit cover story from manl and gerry.

(who both are probably shitting in their pants right now with tons of angry users and over 3 million $ incentive
to **** them)

[Mythoughts]

Yes, trusting random new people to change the site's code is crazy.

And I really don't see why anyone would chose to rob a few users in a very obvious way when they have the option of stealing using the seeds in an invisible way, forever.

If the "anonymous dev"-story is true, there's an explanation for this possibly:
The new dev didnt have access to the server seeds. So he cant steal directly.

But by making some players lose more, the site has a higher profit. Gains more commission. Dev's cut is worth more coins.

[Jungian]

You really should refill the wallet.