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August 06, 2014, 06:20:59 PM |
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This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....
No shit!! Which I why I wonder if block chain could be the liable one here, on top of it making them look bad if they do nothing. Any ideas BLOCK-FUCKING-CHAIN.INFO blockchain.info
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August 06, 2014, 06:24:37 PM |
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Wow, how did you manage to do that...yep it seems that you have lost these coins. I really think wallet providers should embed some security measures that warn the sender if he/she pays a fee that is literally multiple orders of magnitude higher than the actual amount that's being transmitted. Apart from that I can't wrap my head around how people keep on paying transaction fees that high by accident!
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August 06, 2014, 06:26:06 PM |
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This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....
First you need to select "custom send" instead of the default, then you have to add a fee, write that fee, you end up in the review screen which you can check, and only then you click "ok send". Sure, they could add an additional warning "wtf incredible fee are you sure", but there already are many places were you can review this, and you have to fail all of them.
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August 06, 2014, 06:29:41 PM |
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This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....
First you need to select "custom send" instead of the default, then you have to add a fee, write that fee, you end up in the review screen which you can check, and only then you click "ok send". Sure, they could add an additional warning "wtf incredible fee are you sure", but there already are many places were you can review this, and you have to fail all of them. Skimming over a review screen you would probably read this: 0.2 0.0001 Total: 0.2001 So you think it looks good, but you don't notice that the transaction and the fee is switched. I didn't even catch on right away when I looked at the screenshot on page 1. This is what made it so dangerous. While there are multiple review screens, they do nothing if you have to look at them every single time for every transaction because you start to ignore them over time.
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August 06, 2014, 06:31:58 PM |
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Wow, how did you manage to do that...yep it seems that you have lost these coins. I really think wallet providers should embed some security measures that warn the sender if he/she pays a fee that is literally multiple orders of magnitude higher than the actual amount that's being transmitted. Apart from that I can't wrap my head around how people keep on paying transaction fees that high by accident! I agree, even with great care I could absolutely see how this mistake could be made. If the fee is higher than the transaction or over say 10 or even 100 times the recommended amount there should be a very strong warning: WARNING: You have chosen a very high transaction fee, please review your transaction carefully: Fee 0.2BTC
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DannyElfman
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August 06, 2014, 06:32:02 PM |
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This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....
No shit!! Which I why I wonder if block chain could be the liable one here, on top of it making them look bad if they do nothing. Any ideas BLOCK-FUCKING-CHAIN.INFO blockchain.info Blockchain is doing a sanity check! They have a big POPUP window propting you to confirm your transaction. Many clients don't do that!
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August 06, 2014, 06:32:57 PM |
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Wow, how did you manage to do that...yep it seems that you have lost these coins. I really think wallet providers should embed some security measures that warn the sender if he/she pays a fee that is literally multiple orders of magnitude higher than the actual amount that's being transmitted. Apart from that I can't wrap my head around how people keep on paying transaction fees that high by accident! I agree, even with great care I could absolutely see how this mistake could be made. If the fee is higher than the transaction or over say 10 or even 100 times the recommended amount there should be a very strong warning: WARNING: You have chosen a very high transaction fee, please review your transaction carefully: Fee 0.2BTCThis is actually gread idea and someone should e-mail it to blockchain.info ASAP!
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ensurance982
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August 06, 2014, 06:33:16 PM |
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This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....
First you need to select "custom send" instead of the default, then you have to add a fee, write that fee, you end up in the review screen which you can check, and only then you click "ok send". Sure, they could add an additional warning "wtf incredible fee are you sure", but there already are many places were you can review this, and you have to fail all of them. I'd also be in favour of such sanity checks. I mean it's better for the customer/end user. You'd simply have to check if the fee is larger than the amount you intend to transfer or larger than 10x the suggested fee. But you are right, I guess many people just tend to click on 'accept' and 'OK', that's also the reason why malware is going so strong.
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Lohoris
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August 06, 2014, 06:34:14 PM |
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Skimming over a review screen you would probably read this:
0.2 0.0001 Total: 0.2001
So you think it looks good, but you don't notice that the transaction and the fee is switched. I didn't even catch on right away when I looked at the screenshot on page 1. This is what made it so dangerous. While there are multiple review screens, they do nothing if you have to look at them every single time for every transaction because you start to ignore them over time.
Ok this is a very good point, if you assume you switched the amount you want to send with the fee. However you also have to not notice the fiat-currency conversion in the sending screen. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FF6MXCME.png&t=665&c=dDT0Lu5cnvuyxA)
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DannyElfman
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August 06, 2014, 06:34:43 PM |
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This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....
First you need to select "custom send" instead of the default, then you have to add a fee, write that fee, you end up in the review screen which you can check, and only then you click "ok send". Sure, they could add an additional warning "wtf incredible fee are you sure", but there already are many places were you can review this, and you have to fail all of them. I'd also be in favour of such sanity checks. I mean it's better for the customer/end user. You'd simply have to check if the fee is larger than the amount you intend to transfer or larger than 10x the suggested fee. But you are right, I guess many people just tend to click on 'accept' and 'OK', that's also the reason why malware is going so strong. Sanity checks are nice, but I didn't know OP had this problem at BCI. They indeed have a custom send feature where you really need to fuck up to make a mistake. Even a confrimation popup is in place!
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Koko
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August 06, 2014, 06:38:16 PM |
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Wow, how does something like this even happen?
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DannyElfman
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August 06, 2014, 06:41:11 PM |
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Wow, how does something like this even happen?
apparently OP went to "custom send" (the advanced part of the sending on BCI) and then put in the fee in the field where the amount goes in and vice versa. Then he confirmed the popup once again warning him.
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BombaUcigasa
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August 06, 2014, 06:43:24 PM |
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Ok, three issues for OP: 1. Don't use webwallets. I understand you don't really know how to use IT (don't know about imgur 5 years after it's been massively used all over the internet (not like other old farts that still recommend imageshit)). Don't use webwallets and then complain they are badly coded (besides bad security practices). And apparently badly coded math! 2. You spent these outputs: https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61509867/7 (2014-08-02 21:27:35) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61566827/1 (2014-08-03 21:58:53) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61630297/0 (2014-08-04 21:24:06) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61635831/0 (2014-08-04 23:05:35) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61643245/4 ( 2014-08-05 01:22:15) -- SPAM dust warninghttps://blockchain.info/tx-index/61708500/0 ( 2014-08-05 22:03:45) You did not wait long enough before resending these outputs and as such the estimated fees were higher so the transaction is faster. One transaction was a single satoshi. WHY?! Why do you have spam dust in your wallet? Why are you touching fresh dust? This again will scare some bitcoin clients into estimating higher fees. Don't include these spam transactions or you will pay more than without them, it's not worth it, make sure your wallet can control which coins are spent. 3. You actually wanted to send 0.0001 BTC, which is a dust output and will attract fees. Your whole transaction has all the possible signs of high fee requirements. Is this actually the fee you wanted to send, or did the system messed up?
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Lohoris
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August 06, 2014, 07:07:06 PM |
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1. Don't use webwallets. I understand you don't really know how to use IT (don't know about imgur 5 years after it's been massively used all over the internet (not like other old farts that still recommend imageshit)). Don't use webwallets and then complain they are badly coded (besides bad security practices). And apparently badly coded math!
What does this have to do with his problem? It's totally completely unrelated.
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BTCewdquestion (OP)
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August 06, 2014, 07:10:08 PM |
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^ thank you. Does block chain have the resources to reimburse me.
As far as I know… this is not my fault and 110% block chain fault.
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August 06, 2014, 07:12:29 PM |
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Ok, three issues for OP: 1. Don't use webwallets. I understand you don't really know how to use IT (don't know about imgur 5 years after it's been massively used all over the internet (not like other old farts that still recommend imageshit)). Don't use webwallets and then complain they are badly coded (besides bad security practices). And apparently badly coded math! 2. You spent these outputs: https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61509867/7 (2014-08-02 21:27:35) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61566827/1 (2014-08-03 21:58:53) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61630297/0 (2014-08-04 21:24:06) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61635831/0 (2014-08-04 23:05:35) https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61643245/4 ( 2014-08-05 01:22:15) -- SPAM dust warninghttps://blockchain.info/tx-index/61708500/0 ( 2014-08-05 22:03:45) You did not wait long enough before resending these outputs and as such the estimated fees were higher so the transaction is faster. One transaction was a single satoshi. WHY?! Why do you have spam dust in your wallet? Why are you touching fresh dust? This again will scare some bitcoin clients into estimating higher fees. Don't include these spam transactions or you will pay more than without them, it's not worth it, make sure your wallet can control which coins are spent. 3. You actually wanted to send 0.0001 BTC, which is a dust output and will attract fees. Your whole transaction has all the possible signs of high fee requirements. Is this actually the fee you wanted to send, or did the system messed up? If this is what is required to properly use bitcoin, I'd recommend selling all bitcoins you own cause this experiment is going no where fast.. g I am a smarter individual but far from a computer whiz, and this is beyond me. Now sell this to the masses. Good luck… oh and wish me luck ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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August 06, 2014, 07:12:48 PM |
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1. Don't use webwallets. I understand you don't really know how to use IT (don't know about imgur 5 years after it's been massively used all over the internet (not like other old farts that still recommend imageshit)). Don't use webwallets and then complain they are badly coded (besides bad security practices). And apparently badly coded math!
What does this have to do with his problem? It's totally completely unrelated. Plus blockchain.info is not a web wallet it is a hybrid wallet. It is a safe form of web based wallet. Do not lump it in with shit like inputs.io or other web wallets.
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Koko
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August 06, 2014, 07:13:11 PM |
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Wow, how does something like this even happen?
apparently OP went to "custom send" (the advanced part of the sending on BCI) and then put in the fee in the field where the amount goes in and vice versa. Then he confirmed the popup once again warning him. Brutal. Hopefully he'll somehow get his BTC back, but I doubt it...
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DannyElfman
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August 06, 2014, 07:13:58 PM |
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^ thank you. Does block chain have the resources to reimburse me.
As far as I know… this is not my fault and 110% block chain fault.
Tell me again how this is Blockchain.infos fault? You did confuse the "amount" field with the "fee" field and then CONFIRMED the popup. so?....
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August 06, 2014, 07:14:29 PM |
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is there any way to contact block chain
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