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October 16, 2014, 03:01:59 AM
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Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC

no i am very curious. are you trying to suggest here that NHZ is supposed to be added as a core coin of supernet or at least going to be somehow related to it? or what do you exactly mean with "promising discussions with NHZ"?
we were in discussions and then all of a sudden no contact

now I know why. it was probably just competitive intelligence gathering, or maybe just coincidence that days after contact is broken off, the blocknet is announced.

my interest in NHZ was their 3000 nodes, while this is not in and of itself a technical feature, it does have tangible value. The fact that the XC dev is also advising NHZ makes all this very coincidental and leaves me feeling not so good about the NHZ guy either. If they wanted to find out about SuperNET, why pretend about being interested in a deal?

Anyway, NHZ is a clone, so it makes sense for it to become part of the cloneNET blocknet.

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The more I monitor the development of SuperNet and potential alt tech coins participation, the more I am reminded that the average person who "devs" an alt coin A) isn't that bright B) isn't that old/experienced C) isn't that bright (oops did I mention that already?) D) is greedy and E) lacks any real vision or ingenuity.

Well we are dam lucky that James isn't the average Dev

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October 16, 2014, 03:24:35 AM
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I think I might have just fired up a node.  Smiley  I was supposed to make a config file somewhere but it seems as if its running.  How can we all see nodes on the network?

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October 16, 2014, 03:39:25 AM
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I think I might have just fired up a node.  Smiley  I was supposed to make a config file somewhere but it seems as if its running.  How can we all see nodes on the network?

./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"getpeers"}'

without SuperNET.conf it wont connect to the Supernetwork

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October 16, 2014, 03:39:42 AM
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To prevent the spoofing, I added a contacts list:

SuperNET '{"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"jl777","acct":"NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8"}'
SuperNET '{"requestType":"removecontact","handle":"jl777"}'
SuperNET '{"requestType":"dispcontact","handle":"jl777"}'
SuperNET '{"requestType":"dispcontact","handle":"myhandle"}'

These are basically a way of mapping long acct numbers to easy to remember handles for use in other API calls. Nothing fancy. Since they are not stored on HDD you need to put a "contacts":[{"jl777":""}....] field in SuperNET.conf or have the GUI do it on startup.

calling addcontact again will just update the acct. These accts have to be funded with at least 1 NXT I will add a display handle API with a special handle called "me" that shows your private acct and public key.

There is a special handle "myhandle", which is set to your pubaddr -> NXT numerical address -> reed solomon RS address. This is so you can let others know what address to set your handle to.

Also if you dispcontact "*" it will return all contacts

These API should allow a contacts GUI to be built

James

P.S. As the observant have observed, using handles -> accts allows us to generated a shared secret based on the public key of the acct and this lets us use the cloud using a location that nobody else will be able to find, at least not without a brute force search and we also skip a step as the public key can be used to exchange Telepathy addresses and this also gets us non-realtime transactions! Not bad for such a simple API 

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October 16, 2014, 03:44:08 AM
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Now, time for lunch and then I can put this all together and get a Telepathy demo

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October 16, 2014, 04:02:23 AM
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Anyway, NHZ is a clone, so it makes sense for it to become part of the cloneNET blocknet.

NHZ may be a clone but they seem to have some aim to reworking the code in an effort to make it better.  My point is that the term 'clone' as a label is not entirely accurate since they are rebuilding and redirecting rather than copy/paste/expect from community. 

And I can appreciate that the crossing out of clonenet was done because blocknet is not based on Supernet code as far as I have read.

Silently invested in BTCD et cetera so please don't take my comments as anything more than an interest in being fair.  I have respected your expression and coding for quite some time and think that there is no need to dive into petulance.
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October 16, 2014, 05:42:15 AM
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I "wasted" a bit of time recently while I waited for more servers to come online for expanded DHT testing and bruteforced some interesting curve25519 properties. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=820614.msg9170663#msg9170663
Also got a good education from andytoshi who really knows all this crypto math.

Anyway, as it often happens I get lucky and as I was battling the issue of how to do the key exchange and deaddrop address exchanges, the recent curve25519 lessons solved it nicely with the basic shared secret that automatically comes from curve25519.

On one node:
./b SuperNET '{"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"jl777","acct":"NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8"}'
shared.(ad021e641e6c65e357921fe8348f4d0718f7f81e89a058071d0e73fb3873)
ADD.(jl777 -> NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8)
{"result":"(jl777) acct.(NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8) (12927190866050319905) has pubkey.(45ec94823354d56c549b475c5e3ffd49c9c2cf4a366deed809bfba38dd756318)"}

On another node:
./b SuperNET '{"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"s0","acct":"NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG"}'
shared.(ad021e641e6c65e357921fe8348f4d0718f7f81e89a058071d0e73fb3873)
ADD.(s0 -> NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG)
input.({"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"s0","acct":"NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG"}') -> ({"result":"(s0) acct.(NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG) (2834459742776037913) has pubkey.(7b689a7b0035bcaa944ac5d38415ebbe81a9fa2f3f3cb3898872a5075bed1a15)"})

I decided to just use the same pubkeys that is in the NXT blockchain. Since I can directly generate the pubkey and privkey and already auto-generate accounts via linked addresses, just by using a single coin address, you can get a universal pubkey that SuperNET can use to encrypt things to your node.

The blue shared secret is something that only the two nodes are able to generate and so now not only can I encrypt the comms directly between the two nodes, I can find a key to store these comms in the cloud without worry about it being spoofed, plus even if the address is figured out somehow, it has to be encrypted and only from the specific other party.

Another key advantage to using the permanent pubkeys is that now transactions can happen in non-realtime. This was one of the few weaknesses of Teleport, but now things would just progress as far as they can as each party is online. Basically, the cloud becomes a virtual fully encrypted bi-directional peer to peer communications channel for arbitrary data.

All built on top of onion routed Telepathy DHT comms to non-existent deaddrop addresses with an encrypted attachment. Also at the DHT level, all these Telepathy requests will look like they are coming from the same account. There is no need to authenticate the outer part of the packet as it will be fully authenticated inside the attachment. I think the fact that it decrypts using the shared secret is enough authentication, hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong on this assumption.

I already have all packets the same size (1400 bytes) and they are randomly delayed/shuffled to prevent timing analysis and with nobody knowing the actual destination I believe we have unlinkable IP addresses while using IP packets.

The cloud location where the deaddrop addresses are exchanged will be calculated based on:
sha256(sha256(acct || sharedsecret))
The inside hash value will be the encryption key for the contents using AES. Maybe I will reverse that, yes that seems a bit better to make the encryption key one step beyond the location.

So a lot of progress!

James

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October 16, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
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I "wasted" a bit of time recently while I waited for more servers to come online for expanded DHT testing and bruteforced some interesting curve25519 properties. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=820614.msg9170663#msg9170663
Also got a good education from andytoshi who really knows all this crypto math.

Anyway, as it often happens I get lucky and as I was battling the issue of how to do the key exchange and deaddrop address exchanges, the recent curve25519 lessons solved it nicely with the basic shared secret that automatically comes from curve25519.

On one node:
./b SuperNET '{"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"jl777","acct":"NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8"}'
shared.(ad021e641e6c65e357921fe8348f4d0718f7f81e89a058071d0e73fb3873)
ADD.(jl777 -> NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8)
{"result":"(jl777) acct.(NXT-P3K3-M9XB-5MDG-DVNT8) (12927190866050319905) has pubkey.(45ec94823354d56c549b475c5e3ffd49c9c2cf4a366deed809bfba38dd756318)"}

On another node:
./b SuperNET '{"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"s0","acct":"NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG"}'
shared.(ad021e641e6c65e357921fe8348f4d0718f7f81e89a058071d0e73fb3873)
ADD.(s0 -> NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG)
input.({"requestType":"addcontact","handle":"s0","acct":"NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG"}') -> ({"result":"(s0) acct.(NXT-Z6JT-5TB6-EXSL-48JPG) (2834459742776037913) has pubkey.(7b689a7b0035bcaa944ac5d38415ebbe81a9fa2f3f3cb3898872a5075bed1a15)"})

I decided to just use the same pubkeys that is in the NXT blockchain. Since I can directly generate the pubkey and privkey and already auto-generate accounts via linked addresses, just by using a single coin address, you can get a universal pubkey that SuperNET can use to encrypt things to your node.

The blue shared secret is something that only the two nodes are able to generate and so now not only can I encrypt the comms directly between the two nodes, I can find a key to store these comms in the cloud without worry about it being spoofed, plus even if the address is figured out somehow, it has to be encrypted and only from the specific other party.

Another key advantage to using the permanent pubkeys is that now transactions can happen in non-realtime. This was one of the few weaknesses of Teleport, but now things would just progress as far as they can as each party is online. Basically, the cloud becomes a virtual fully encrypted bi-directional peer to peer communications channel for arbitrary data.

All built on top of onion routed Telepathy DHT comms to non-existent deaddrop addresses with an encrypted attachment. Also at the DHT level, all these Telepathy requests will look like they are coming from the same account. There is no need to authenticate the outer part of the packet as it will be fully authenticated inside the attachment. I think the fact that it decrypts using the shared secret is enough authentication, hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong on this assumption.

I already have all packets the same size (1400 bytes) and they are randomly delayed/shuffled to prevent timing analysis and with nobody knowing the actual destination I believe we have unlinkable IP addresses while using IP packets.

The cloud location where the deaddrop addresses are exchanged will be calculated based on:
sha256(sha256(acct || sharedsecret))
The inside hash value will be the encryption key for the contents using AES. Maybe I will reverse that, yes that seems a bit better to make the encryption key one step beyond the location.

So a lot of progress!

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October 16, 2014, 03:24:04 PM
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Could you please help me to realize what is mean time to exchange TOKEN <-> supernet in AE. I've sent some TOKENs to the specified address at http://thesupernet.org/ 2 days ago and still no incoming transactions. Did I do smth wrong?

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October 16, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
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Could you please help me to realize what is mean time to exchange TOKEN <-> supernet in AE. I've sent some TOKENs to the specified address at http://thesupernet.org/ 2 days ago and still no incoming transactions. Did I do smth wrong?

Thanks.

Late redeemers have to wait longer. You'll still get your superNET, but it might take a few days or a week. In another while, it might take even longer. (If you haven't yet sent your TOKEN, do so now. Or sooner!)

Those who sent this week should get their superNET this evening or tomorrow, hopefully.
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October 16, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
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Could you please help me to realize what is mean time to exchange TOKEN <-> supernet in AE. I've sent some TOKENs to the specified address at http://thesupernet.org/ 2 days ago and still no incoming transactions. Did I do smth wrong?

Thanks.

Late redeemers have to wait longer. You'll still get your superNET, but it might take a few days or a week. In another while, it might take even longer. (If you haven't yet sent your TOKEN, do so now. Or sooner!)

Those who sent this week should get their superNET this evening or tomorrow, hopefully.

Thanks, I've realized now! will be waiting...
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October 16, 2014, 06:28:28 PM
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Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC

no i am very curious. are you trying to suggest here that NHZ is supposed to be added as a core coin of supernet or at least going to be somehow related to it? or what do you exactly mean with "promising discussions with NHZ"?
we were in discussions and then all of a sudden no contact

now I know why. it was probably just competitive intelligence gathering, or maybe just coincidence that days after contact is broken off, the blocknet is announced.

my interest in NHZ was their 3000 nodes, while this is not in and of itself a technical feature, it does have tangible value. The fact that the XC dev is also advising NHZ makes all this very coincidental and leaves me feeling not so good about the NHZ guy either. If they wanted to find out about SuperNET, why pretend about being interested in a deal?

Anyway, NHZ is a clone, so it makes sense for it to become part of the cloneNET blocknet.

James

James will you add Node coin? its base on Node.js and i am sure you already know about that  Smiley
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October 17, 2014, 06:24:58 AM
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Now, time for lunch and then I can put this all together and get a Telepathy demo

James
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October 17, 2014, 06:46:24 AM
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Support SuperNetwork

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October 17, 2014, 09:43:07 AM
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Now, time for lunch and then I can put this all together and get a Telepathy demo

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Ran into some complications with secure key exchanges for the bootstrapping. I did solve them, but it will take another day or so as it is quite tricky to do it without leaking any IP info.

Cassius now understands it well enough to start writing a description for it.

Now that there is a 25+ node network, I am getting some very good test cases and I had to fix a bunch of bugs.

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October 17, 2014, 01:36:51 PM
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Now, time for lunch and then I can put this all together and get a Telepathy demo

James
Promising.
Ran into some complications with secure key exchanges for the bootstrapping. I did solve them, but it will take another day or so as it is quite tricky to do it without leaking any IP info.

Cassius now understands it well enough to start writing a description for it.

Now that there is a 25+ node network, I am getting some very good test cases and I had to fix a bunch of bugs.

James
I don't know if you know how much myself and others hold you in awe so to speak, I don't mean hero worship just expletive deleted how do you do it? I read your thread with the maths head about anonymity and keys

and just ended up shaking my head by the end of it. You sir are a living legend. Thank you and the team, once again great work

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October 17, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
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If you haven't already, sign up for the SuperNET newsletter via SuperNET.org.
Updates as well as layperson's explanations of the tech will be included to the extent that is possible. (Unfortunately, James has a bad habit of adding functionality faster than we can understand it, let alone create documentation.)
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Last edit: October 17, 2014, 07:15:07 PM by Este Nuno
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(Unfortunately, James has a bad habit of adding functionality faster than we can understand it, let alone create documentation.)

This and Bitmark are the only times in my life where I've seen development outpace all other aspects of a project! Cheesy
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October 17, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
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and it looks like they're doing a good job with marketing... We need to get more information about supernet out before these guys steal our thunder!! http://bitcoinist.net/blocknet-the-internet-of-blockchains/
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October 17, 2014, 04:11:59 PM
Last edit: October 17, 2014, 04:27:09 PM by UnicornFarts
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and it looks like they're doing a good job with marketing... We need to get more information about supernet out before these guys steal our thunder!! http://bitcoinist.net/blocknet-the-internet-of-blockchains/

guys.  I don't like the supernet - I think it's a largely wasted time.  

But that said - the Blocknet is a lame attempt from a desperate dev to pump altcoins.  His primary coin is still closed sourced.

For what it's worth IF supernet works well and brings much to the table that people actually use (which I very seriously doubt).  I don't think you need to worry about blocknet.

cheap imitation clone from an anonymous coin that is still closed sourced from a desperate developer trying to milk a few more bucks out of stupid fanboys.

i mean - the guys sell a tornet stick browser labelled xc and then the latest release of their coin never works on linux.  only windows.
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