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You are an idiot too if you are dumb enough to take a 40X bonus. If you can't shop around and find a decent bonus then you need to lose. Who in their right mind will that wager 20 BTC or $70,000?
I only said taking any kind of bonus (even if it has a low wagering requirements) is not a good idea and bonuses are just optional. If someone took their bonus then props to him. but FJ gives different bonuses not only at x40.
I'm not sure about this but from what i've seen most of the bonuses that they offer have a x40 wagering requirement. However I did participate in one of their promotion, the rules were similar to a bonus deposit with lower requirements but that was a long time ago.
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February 07, 2019, 10:15:05 PM |
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As I see there is a talk about bonus deposit and so on. We all know 40x wagering requirement sucks too because makes it's very impossible to get bonus or even keep money you deposited. So guys what about this idea: Give people real bonus when they lose deposited money? For example once they lost deposit, give them 10% bonus of that and let them to decide whether play or withdraw, would be great, it's another task how risky this decision can be which must be discussed mathematically in more details.
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Hhampuz
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February 07, 2019, 10:18:35 PM |
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As I see there is a talk about bonus deposit and so on. We all know 40x wagering requirement sucks too because makes it's very impossible to get bonus or even keep money you deposited. So guys what about this idea: Give people real bonus when they lose deposited money? For example once they lost deposit, give them 10% bonus of that and let them to decide whether play or withdraw, would be great, it's another task how risky this decision can be which must be discussed mathematically in more details.
It would be great if casinos operate as a charity where they are only supposed to give and never take. It's a business, people (Lucky7btc) just likes to cry since they apparently lost a lot.
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I had a suspicion that Tron would manage to get the popular vote, large following and a good community over there. Nice to see some new additions at FJ! Will be interesting to see who's in the next vote ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) .
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February 08, 2019, 02:29:53 PM |
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Honestly, people seem to forget how a casino is operated. Like, I understand they give you a fair shot at actually making money from gambling and they do give you that chance to profit however normally a casino is just a business that gets your money by allowing you to lose it yourself.
How in the hell any casino would stay alive if they offered a %100 bonus on something like x2 wager or something, everyone would just deposit money and then wager right away on good odds and just leave, what are the odds of a casino not bankrupting if they did something like that ? Zero. Hence, the required x40 is a bliss if you take it, it may not look fair to you but in reality its just marketing purposes and they are not even suppose to give you that free money, this is not a bank, its a casino.
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February 08, 2019, 05:22:15 PM |
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Honestly, people seem to forget how a casino is operated. Like, I understand they give you a fair shot at actually making money from gambling and they do give you that chance to profit however normally a casino is just a business that gets your money by allowing you to lose it yourself.
How in the hell any casino would stay alive if they offered a %100 bonus on something like x2 wager or something, everyone would just deposit money and then wager right away on good odds and just leave, what are the odds of a casino not bankrupting if they did something like that ? Zero. Hence, the required x40 is a bliss if you take it, it may not look fair to you but in reality its just marketing purposes and they are not even suppose to give you that free money, this is not a bank, its a casino.
How is it free money when you have to deposit and risk your money in order to get to the bonus? You actually bought the bonus for less than 40X its worth.
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February 08, 2019, 05:23:49 PM |
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As I see there is a talk about bonus deposit and so on. We all know 40x wagering requirement sucks too because makes it's very impossible to get bonus or even keep money you deposited. So guys what about this idea: Give people real bonus when they lose deposited money? For example once they lost deposit, give them 10% bonus of that and let them to decide whether play or withdraw, would be great, it's another task how risky this decision can be which must be discussed mathematically in more details.
It would be great if casinos operate as a charity where they are only supposed to give and never take. It's a business, people (Lucky7btc) just likes to cry since they apparently lost a lot. I promise you my win and withdrawal percentage is much higher than my loss. I just don't play at this crap place anymore until they stop ripping people off. But you are their main troll so what should one expect?
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February 09, 2019, 09:19:42 AM |
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If you take a 40X wager bonus then you are insane. I wouldn't dare touch it. There are plenty of casinos with 20X - 30X. What FJ is doing is ripping people off, and some of you just continue to kiss up to them. 40X is roguish
But, I believe people who think x40 is a must on a horrible odd bet are not really well informed about how x40 works. You can play with 1% of your bankroll and keep on betting the smallest wager there is and actually bet on 90% win odds as well and keep doing that on auto forever until it reaches to x40. The possibility to actually lose all of your money in that scenario is very little and you will most likely get the deposit bonus. You don't need to play x40 at once and get it, you can play anything, there is no restriction on your bets, you just have to wager x40 in total. So, if you deposit 0.5 and the x40 is 20 btc that means you can bet 10 satoshi on 90% for 200 million times, even tough you may lose a lot in there you will most probably not lose too much and will get that bonus after all.
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February 09, 2019, 12:25:28 PM |
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If you take a 40X wager bonus then you are insane. I wouldn't dare touch it. There are plenty of casinos with 20X - 30X. What FJ is doing is ripping people off, and some of you just continue to kiss up to them. 40X is roguish
But, I believe people who think x40 is a must on a horrible odd bet are not really well informed about how x40 works. You can play with 1% of your bankroll and keep on betting the smallest wager there is and actually bet on 90% win odds as well and keep doing that on auto forever until it reaches to x40. The possibility to actually lose all of your money in that scenario is very little and you will most likely get the deposit bonus. You don't need to play x40 at once and get it, you can play anything, there is no restriction on your bets, you just have to wager x40 in total. So, if you deposit 0.5 and the x40 is 20 btc that means you can bet 10 satoshi on 90% for 200 million times, even tough you may lose a lot in there you will most probably not lose too much and will get that bonus after all. Sorry but I'm not here to support Lucky7btc but I just want give you the truth. You are saying about wagering on 90% win chance, means that you are referring to dice game or maybe other similar game while in fact only Slots game are counted 100% towards wagering requirement. I'm not really sure about dice, but as I know wagering on dice is not counted towards wagering requirement. So your scenario wont work to complete the wagering requirement. One more important thing is that "only bets using the bonus money will be counted towards wagering requirement", means that you need to lose your initial deposit first before starting to wager for the requirement. I know 40x wagering requirement on deposit bonus is a standard rules in this gambling business, as most other sites also has the same rules. So it is players own decision whether to take the bonus or not, as the site is not forcing players to take it. Overall, it is just an offer from the casino. Players may take it or ignore it. Simple as that.
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February 09, 2019, 04:16:54 PM |
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Honestly, people seem to forget how a casino is operated. Like, I understand they give you a fair shot at actually making money from gambling and they do give you that chance to profit however normally a casino is just a business that gets your money by allowing you to lose it yourself.
How in the hell any casino would stay alive if they offered a %100 bonus on something like x2 wager or something, everyone would just deposit money and then wager right away on good odds and just leave, what are the odds of a casino not bankrupting if they did something like that ? Zero. Hence, the required x40 is a bliss if you take it, it may not look fair to you but in reality its just marketing purposes and they are not even suppose to give you that free money, this is not a bank, its a casino.
How is it free money when you have to deposit and risk your money in order to get to the bonus? You actually bought the bonus for less than 40X its worth. You didn't buy the bonus, bonus is not something you purchase. It is free money given to you with requirements, nobody gives out 100% bonus for nothing, you have to wager 40x to get free money. So, you have two options, either get the bonus and wager 40x to get the free money or never get the bonus to begin with. Nobody forces you to take it, it is not like you need to 40x to be able to withdraw your deposited money. No this is another gambling that you take a risk and just like the games where you gamble you just gamble with the deposit and see if you can reach 40x without losing your money. It is a different way of gambling but its still gambling all the same. So, we can consider it "free money" but also we can consider it gambling itself. I don't know if 40x is cool but I think it needs to be high, even if not 40x it should be around that.
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February 10, 2019, 07:03:38 PM |
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Honestly, people seem to forget how a casino is operated. Like, I understand they give you a fair shot at actually making money from gambling and they do give you that chance to profit however normally a casino is just a business that gets your money by allowing you to lose it yourself.
How in the hell any casino would stay alive if they offered a %100 bonus on something like x2 wager or something, everyone would just deposit money and then wager right away on good odds and just leave, what are the odds of a casino not bankrupting if they did something like that ? Zero. Hence, the required x40 is a bliss if you take it, it may not look fair to you but in reality its just marketing purposes and they are not even suppose to give you that free money, this is not a bank, its a casino.
How is it free money when you have to deposit and risk your money in order to get to the bonus? You actually bought the bonus for less than 40X its worth. You didn't buy the bonus, bonus is not something you purchase. It is free money given to you with requirements, nobody gives out 100% bonus for nothing, you have to wager 40x to get free money. So, you have two options, either get the bonus and wager 40x to get the free money or never get the bonus to begin with. Nobody forces you to take it, it is not like you need to 40x to be able to withdraw your deposited money. No this is another gambling that you take a risk and just like the games where you gamble you just gamble with the deposit and see if you can reach 40x without losing your money. It is a different way of gambling but its still gambling all the same. So, we can consider it "free money" but also we can consider it gambling itself. I don't know if 40x is cool but I think it needs to be high, even if not 40x it should be around that. Dude there is NOTHING FREE ABOUT ANY BONUS, "IF" I have to deposit my money and loss it to receive it, and then wager it 40X. If it was "FREE" then it would be giving to me without me having to LOSE my deposit. Like I said YOU BOUGHT IT at 40X less than the actual value.
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February 11, 2019, 11:23:25 AM |
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If you take a 40X wager bonus then you are insane. I wouldn't dare touch it. There are plenty of casinos with 20X - 30X. What FJ is doing is ripping people off, and some of you just continue to kiss up to them. 40X is roguish
But, I believe people who think x40 is a must on a horrible odd bet are not really well informed about how x40 works. You can play with 1% of your bankroll and keep on betting the smallest wager there is and actually bet on 90% win odds as well and keep doing that on auto forever until it reaches to x40. The possibility to actually lose all of your money in that scenario is very little and you will most likely get the deposit bonus. You don't need to play x40 at once and get it, you can play anything, there is no restriction on your bets, you just have to wager x40 in total. So, if you deposit 0.5 and the x40 is 20 btc that means you can bet 10 satoshi on 90% for 200 million times, even tough you may lose a lot in there you will most probably not lose too much and will get that bonus after all. Let say if your strategy work well, how much do you even left for that? To think that someone actually using this to get some profit is pretty useless thing. I do not say that it is not possible to do that, but with the time limit usually there is no way someone could achieve it, unless they are pretty lucky. And with 10 satoshi, how long do you think that it will work? 200mil bets is really long to get though Sorry no offend on FJ but this is how the things works and it is your own choice to take it or not but a long term player usually do not bite this thing
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February 11, 2019, 12:01:47 PM |
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Hey FJ,
I sent you guys another PM like 2 weeks ago, and a message in the affiliate homepage 4 days ago. How long do I have to wait to get a response?
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February 11, 2019, 12:07:52 PM |
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Front end of your website looks very professional against others XD I just registered with phone number was easy. And great to hear you adding more coins to gambling with. Are there any minimum of deposits ? Or you crediting every single "satoshi" i send ?
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This bonus topic is getting out of hand and this will be my last message about it. You get the free money bonus since it is definitely not required to get it. Casino has no obligation to give you money, there is no casino secret handshake or something that allows you to give you money. You deposit money, you get deposit bonus for x40 which is absolutely minimum to require it.
Buying something requires you to spend money. I pay 1 dollar to the grocery store and get an apple, I do not give apple to grocery store and he allows me to juggle 40 times with 2 apples and if I manage it I get to keep both, that never happens.
Hence, it is free money, it just has obligations coming with it and that is just pure common sense considering no one would give you money for nothing. You can literally make money while gambling AND get money on top of it, you can start with 0.5 btc and gamble x40 and end up with MORE than 1 btc on your account if your bets come true. BUYING is not like that, you need to lose money for that.
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ralle14
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February 11, 2019, 07:27:05 PM Last edit: February 11, 2019, 09:19:35 PM by ralle14 |
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Are there any minimum of deposits ? Or you crediting every single "satoshi" i send ?
They don't have a minimum on their deposits. You will receive every satoshi or altcoin you send on your deposit address. If you have more questions you can check their support center/faq page. We do not have a limit for the deposit. You can send any amount.
How long do I have to wait to get a response?
Fastest way to get a response is by opening the chat box on the bottom right. I've used it once and got a reply in 5-10 minutes.
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February 11, 2019, 07:50:48 PM |
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As I see there is a talk about bonus deposit and so on. We all know 40x wagering requirement sucks too because makes it's very impossible to get bonus or even keep money you deposited. So guys what about this idea: Give people real bonus when they lose deposited money? For example once they lost deposit, give them 10% bonus of that and let them to decide whether play or withdraw, would be great, it's another task how risky this decision can be which must be discussed mathematically in more details.
It would be great if casinos operate as a charity where they are only supposed to give and never take. It's a business, people (Lucky7btc) just likes to cry since they apparently lost a lot. Oh no, I don't say they have to return loses (sorry for late answer too). 40x wagering requirement is insane, less requirement increases risks for casino too but I mean some loyal cashback, for example 5% of deposited money but that happens this way: Imagine I deposited 1 bitcoin and after I lose all of them, you give me 0.005 bitcoin on balance. Saying charity on this proposal doesn't seem right to my mind, it's more likely loyality program.
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February 11, 2019, 11:09:15 PM |
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i think it would be very helpful for all users when we can set a stop bet amount on the auto dice. like "Stop if bet amount over x.x"
regards
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