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September 25, 2014, 02:51:21 PM
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Your problem is that you blind, Watching USA media and you belive that your government is all good and they gave you freedom. yes we have gay freedom, porn movies right, Gamble, etc.. this is the freedom bro ?

you killed almost 1 million Iraqi, i guess if killed that number in europian country what will happen in this time.
but 1 million Iraqi lol nonne care they are a Muslims they are a terrorits.
and in other countries you fight lets talk about Japan, Vietnam, etc... Is that your success bro ?
You got all that because of Weapon, and that's why you are fear Russia now    
despite Russia has bad economy and lmost nothing special just Moderon weapon.

USA like any other country mate you just blind and see its the best in all time.





Muslims killed a good bit of those! Violence against sunni vs shiite, car bombings of whole markets GTF out. You think those guys being executed by the 100's is the work of America? Muslims kill hundreds of muslims every day its worse than blabk on black crime. No one says USA is the shit it has its own problems, but this is about Islam.
This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others

Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches

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September 25, 2014, 04:21:36 PM
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saying one thing and doing another are different things. if you want christian principles to be intertwined with your government, then you want a reintegration of church and state.

gay rights, women's rights, birth control, creationism and whatever else is on the christian/conservative agenda.
Some on the right advocate "big government", many advocate "limited government."  The latter is what the Founding Fathers of this country envisioned.

A "reintegration of church and state" is so very far in the "big government direction" you will find very very few on the right that want that.

That "Big Government", that tells you everything you should do and say, that's a very, very Lefty kind of thing.
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Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.
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September 25, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
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"20 years from now, I will be in Heaven --bye !!"
 
This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim. Make sure you read the paragraph  (in red) towards the end.

Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish

In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

In the Western World (Canada , Australia , United States and Britain) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American, Canadian, and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

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Ripping the West in Two.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel. He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ......

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.

But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.


In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.

While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Shariah advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism

It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed.  Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.

While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.

(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Canada , Australia , the U.S. and Britain to elect the heads of Government by themselves!  Rest assured they will do so. You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA. Dearborn, Mich., is one and there are others....) (Britain has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims.)

I think everyone in Canada, Australia, the U.S. and Great Britain should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized!

It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.  Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.  The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While Canada, Australia, the U.S.A. and Britain are getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on North America, Australia and Britain .........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonie_Darwish

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/muslimwomen.asp

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Let me tell you this all is a bullshits you are saying.

lets start and finish with this" To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses " I do not really have time for your alll bullshit but just to tell you that you read wrong story or fake one. anyway
rape do not need 4 witnesses to prove it.
The thing which need 4 witnesses to proov is zena ( Man who have sex with a women who she is not his wife ) Sorry but do not know if zena in English also or not. anyway this is the only condition you need 4 witnesses to proov.

zena is Punishable by Islam.

about man have 4 wives while women have only one, That's really simple 1400 years old ago the world was full of wars and for sure Men was killed everyday and that was a problem because Women was much more than men, that's why Men can have 4 wives. why Woman have only 1 man ? Simple for Non-mixing of genealogy.
Let me ask you a question.
if your wife have you and more 3 guys, when shy get a baby you will know if this baby yours or not ? and lets say this was in 1905 not now ?

Frindly advise you need Islam in your life, In usa i think youhave huge number of gays and that number increase everyday, you have few men compared to women, can you tell me if 1 man married 1 women how many women will live alone the rest of her life ? Islam resolve your problems really.

Also not everyone can have 4 wives, they is a rules restricted to men, they have to follow it all and if they can not then only 1 wife.


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September 25, 2014, 04:58:03 PM
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this world has 6 billion people, guess how much muslims ? 1 billion.

Incorrect.

In the year 2013, the population of the world was 7.125 billion (Source: World Bank)

Muslims account for roughly 23% of the world's population
(Sources: The CIA's World Factbook, Pew Research, Catholic Culture)

But what does that count for?!
"I'm idiot and believe in some huge load of bull, but at least I'm not alone"? Is it the logic?

Argumentum Ad Populum

sweet! a fellow debater Cheesy Here's another good site for you, and those interested: logical fallacies and the art of debate

I'm not going to single out Islam, I just found the question of the OP entertaining. But religion as a whole routinely uses all of the logical fallacies.
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September 25, 2014, 04:59:30 PM
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Im not saying i will kill him, Im just saying if Muslims are a real terrorists then he will get killed. because muslims almot 20% of this world huge number for sure.

So what's your point? They are many so they are above criticism?

I think it was more that if all muslims were terrorists, the world would burn. Can't speak for him of course, but that's what I got out of it.

EDIT: This also tends to reinforce something of a personal dictum for me. Most people are good in spite of their religion. Which ought to tell them something about the nature of religion.
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September 25, 2014, 05:12:40 PM
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Your problem is that you blind, Watching USA media and you belive that your government is all good and they gave you freedom. yes we have gay freedom, porn movies right, Gamble, etc.. this is the freedom bro ?

you killed almost 1 million Iraqi, i guess if killed that number in europian country what will happen in this time.
but 1 million Iraqi lol nonne care they are a Muslims they are a terrorits.
and in other countries you fight lets talk about Japan, Vietnam, etc... Is that your success bro ?
You got all that because of Weapon, and that's why you are fear Russia now    
despite Russia has bad economy and lmost nothing special just Moderon weapon.

USA like any other country mate you just blind and see its the best in all time.





Muslims killed a good bit of those! Violence against sunni vs shiite, car bombings of whole markets GTF out. You think those guys being executed by the 100's is the work of America? Muslims kill hundreds of muslims every day its worse than blabk on black crime. No one says USA is the shit it has its own problems, but this is about Islam.
This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others

Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches

Yea except thats when fuckers were on horseback. Muslims cant get out of that, and dont think for one second muslims werent doing the same shit. The difference is Muslims continue to do it, blowing up churches, thousand year old religious sites ect. They continue to murder everyone that isnt a muslim and destroy anything they believe in. This isnt 1592 its 2014 and your muslim brethren are pigs. Fucking A just look at the Yazidiz, women and children starving on a mountain cause they arent muslim or better yet the "right" muslim. Muslims are scum and the world will continue to have this opinion as long as you keep it up,
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September 25, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
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can't generalize people like that; people can only be judged as individuals. If a religion has had
bad things done in it's name doesn't make the religion a bad thing

In a rational world, bad people do bad things and good people do good things. It takes religion or politics to make good people do bad things.

I'm plagiarizing someone with that paraphrase, but I can't recall who right now Tongue

But the point is that religion has some useful things, and a lot of bullshit. I can use the Quran or the Bible to justify ANYTHING. I can't use the non aggression principle to do that. While I agree with your point, out of context, in the context of the real world, wars are started over resources and justified with religion. This pattern is so ancient as to be axiomatic. The names of the gods have changed, but not the uses of them. If we can get people to STOP believing in fairy tales, I think the world will be a more peaceable place. No solution is perfect. Only religions believe in perfect solutions, but the greater good is served by belief in what can be proven rather than what can merely be asserted and enforced at the point of the lance.
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Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.

I am making the same assertion. "Kill all, Kill all, the Lord will know his own" was a statement by Pope Innocent (!) during the crusades to allow his troops to rape and pillage at will in the "holy" land. Christianity eventually mellowed out, but it was spread by the sword far more than by the evangelist from the time of Constantine at least, and probably earlier. While it started off as a somewhat principled resistance to the Roman occupation of palestine, it degenerated into a huge theocracy which ruled the near east and Europe for several centuries. In the New World, Missionaries paved the way for the Conquistadores. By both plan and misadventure, entire native populations were wiped out by starvation, war and disease. While some of this was inadvertant, a whole lot of it was not. Further, the Church has a long history of executing those who stood against it, even when they did so on religious grounds (Gallileo being a good example, but hardly unique). Also, very recently in the long history of these two monstrous religions, Christianity actively backed dubious dictators, one of which has become the "icon" for evil. While the assertion that Hitler was a Christian is likely false (he was first and foremost an opportunist) what is not false is that he was openly endorsed by the Vatican on several occasions, with the Pope even going so far as to say that he was re-establishing the holy roman empire.

Organizations which claim to have divine power can (in their own eyes or the eyes of their followers) never be wrong. This is the great danger of religion that is based upon deities. They see it as a strength. They have all the answers. Those of us with a more inquisitive mindset have the ability to be wrong. We can change course when we find we are in error. The religious mindset does not allow this, unless the error is purely personal AND in conflict with accepted dogma.

They decry this as a weakness. The ability and willingness to say "I don't know" is offensive to the religious mindset. They firmly believe that there are questions that musn't be asked, whereas a man like me believes the very opposite. My attitude has led to putting men on another world, there's has led to nothing but death and miserable life. Both Christianity and Islam treat this one life that we have with contempt and view it as a punishment. I find this offensive from both an emotional AND logical standpoint. I suppose this would be a better answer than my first reply in this thread. I hate Islam, Christianity, Mormonism, most other religions for the above stated reasons. They are holding back humanity from achieving great things, and they promote hatreds based literally on nothing.

Thomas Jefferson once said "I care not whether my neighbor believes in one god or twenty. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs". I believe this way myself, except that the god lovers are likely to do both, if given the opportunity and sufficient masses.
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September 25, 2014, 05:41:22 PM
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Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.


Psalms 137:9 - "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
Real life - "[The Spaniards] took [Native] babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by their feet and smashing their heads against rocks."



Source: Bartelome De Las Casas

The rest is all common knowledge.

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Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.


Psalms 137:9 - "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
Real life - "[The Spaniards] took [Native] babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by their feet and smashing their heads against rocks."

The rest is all common knowledge.
The assertion you made was as follows:

Assertion by other party:
This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others

Your response:
Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches

Anecdotal evidence does not prove, or even buttress, your assertion.
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Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.


Psalms 137:9 - "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
Real life - "[The Spaniards] took [Native] babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by their feet and smashing their heads against rocks."

The rest is all common knowledge.
The assertion you made was as follows:

Assertion by other party:
This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others

Your response:
Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches

Anecdotal evidence does not prove, or even buttress, your assertion.

No other religion comes close to a 100 million people genocide

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Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements.  Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts?  Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument.


Psalms 137:9 - "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
Real life - "[The Spaniards] took [Native] babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by their feet and smashing their heads against rocks."

The rest is all common knowledge.
The assertion you made was as follows:

Assertion by other party:
This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others

Your response:
Actually, that would be Christianity.

Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches

Anecdotal evidence does not prove, or even buttress, your assertion.

No other religion comes close to a 100 million people genocide
Well, that's what I was asking.  Is that number accurate?  Reference?  No other religion comes close?  How do you know that?

We'll exclude the Religion of Karl Marx from consideration here.
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September 25, 2014, 07:28:06 PM
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"20 years from now, I will be in Heaven --bye !!"
 
This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim. Make sure you read the paragraph  (in red) towards the end.

Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish

In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

In the Western World (Canada , Australia , United States and Britain) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American, Canadian, and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

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Ripping the West in Two.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel. He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ......

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.

But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.


In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.

While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Shariah advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism

It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed.  Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.

While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.

(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Canada , Australia , the U.S. and Britain to elect the heads of Government by themselves!  Rest assured they will do so. You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA. Dearborn, Mich., is one and there are others....) (Britain has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims.)

I think everyone in Canada, Australia, the U.S. and Great Britain should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized!

It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.  Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.  The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While Canada, Australia, the U.S.A. and Britain are getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on North America, Australia and Britain .........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonie_Darwish

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/muslimwomen.asp

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Let me tell you this all is a bullshits you are saying.

lets start and finish with this" To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses " I do not really have time for your alll bullshit but just to tell you that you read wrong story or fake one. anyway
rape do not need 4 witnesses to prove it.
The thing which need 4 witnesses to proov is zena ( Man who have sex with a women who she is not his wife ) Sorry but do not know if zena in English also or not. anyway this is the only condition you need 4 witnesses to proov.

zena is Punishable by Islam.

about man have 4 wives while women have only one, That's really simple 1400 years old ago the world was full of wars and for sure Men was killed everyday and that was a problem because Women was much more than men, that's why Men can have 4 wives. why Woman have only 1 man ? Simple for Non-mixing of genealogy.
Let me ask you a question.
if your wife have you and more 3 guys, when shy get a baby you will know if this baby yours or not ? and lets say this was in 1905 not now ?

Frindly advise you need Islam in your life, In usa i think youhave huge number of gays and that number increase everyday, you have few men compared to women, can you tell me if 1 man married 1 women how many women will live alone the rest of her life ? Islam resolve your problems really.

Also not everyone can have 4 wives, they is a rules restricted to men, they have to follow it all and if they can not then only 1 wife.




I am glad you are having fun. Did you look at the Snopes link in my post? Relax! I know most of it is BS. But I got a reaction, didn't I?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/muslimwomen.asp

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EDIT: I agree that hundreds of years ago things were done differently. And I agree that at the time, they were the best things that people could come up with. I agree that people today often don't understand that those people, of hundreds of years ago, were only following their laws, just like we follow our laws today. Relax.

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September 25, 2014, 07:37:07 PM
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And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.

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September 25, 2014, 07:53:35 PM
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Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't.

All Abrahamic religions were just fine with slavery.

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



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September 25, 2014, 08:07:51 PM
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1 Timothy:

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8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

The New Testament prevails over the Old. And to note, most of the early Christians were slaves.

In History, the first slave market in Christian lands was at Silves, Portugal, during the reconquest in 1189. It was allowed as the terms of surrender that Muslims could keep some of their traditions including that market. The Christian king, Sancho I, however closed the market shortly after because "it was incompatible with Christianity".

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September 25, 2014, 08:12:08 PM
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Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

The OT is not obsolete according to Jesus

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September 25, 2014, 08:13:16 PM
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Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

The OT is not obsolete according to Jesus

No... it's just incoherent, but at least we've a chronological line.
If I tell you to turn right then tell you to turn left, you will follow the last instruction given.

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September 25, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
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And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that.
Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale.
Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery.
Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.

You pay taxes? You're a slave!  Smiley

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