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Yeah OBAY is just what we call it not advertise with it. Since we don't want to Obey ebay. I didn't think of ebay as a dinosaur just overpriced. Craigslist doesn't have any protections and most meet to trade, not sure if that really works since people could barter on their own.
The main thing is that the concept could work since ebay allows bidders to MAKE AN OFFER that has a place to put stipulations to the OFFER in a secondary window. As soon as someone writes any stipulation it is a legally binding contract allowed by ebay. There is no way to come after anyone for making a payment happen. ebay would have to disallow it and get rid of making offers. If the same auction accepts USD or OPAL then there is no breach of ebay policy. The binding portion is the consideration of 1 dollar. This was entered into as the value of the transaction. It is like saying I will accept $1 for your goods and throw in this many OPAL. This is binding, it would work and Shipping is paid in USD to complete the contractual obligation of the seller to make the product send. The payment of $1 could come from a Verified PayPal address and complete the fully backed ebay transaction.
Their lawyers would not be able to get around the $1 transaction. It is binding and if an OPAL offer was made prior to the exact $1 Transaction to verify without any knowledge of ebay then ebay would actually not know any different. If there were a way that the bidders could just send the OFFER through OPAL's wallet as a private message to the seller then the OPAL would already be there if the OFFER was accepted, and as soon as the offer is accepted the $1 fee accepted simultaneously live inside ebay through their API.
This is how we get things done by working out the scenarios and finding the path of least resistance or legal ramifications. The only thing ebay could say is that users are trying to not pay fees and using a system to subvert ebay. But they would have to know about it and there is no proof since the sending will be done from the wallet or use Opacity. They could not prove anything other than someone paid $1 for this item and shipped it to a verified PayPal address. Where ebay could show how it could be done does not prove that it was done, and their lawyers would be left scratching their heads.
Maybe a combination of certain aspects could make it more viable. Keep throwing scenarios out there...
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February 19, 2015, 05:58:28 PM
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This is how we get things done by working out the scenarios and finding the path of least resistance or legal ramifications. The only thing ebay could say is that users are trying to not pay fees and using a system to subvert ebay. But they would have to know about it
 Building a system that "depends" on eBay, and its allowing of the system without making prohibitions is very tricky and short-term possible, but long-term doomed to fail. Anyone can build a marketplace community, and if using crypto is at the source of it, then it will slowly but steadily become more and more populated. What we need is a new marketplace (which opal has already started), with a community adoption. Silkroad did that successfully for the longest time. I don't want to participate in a illegal marketplace myself. But if Silkroad could do it, anyone could do it if it worked well enough, and had things available for cheaper than eBay. Word of mouth and viral adoption can happen pretty fast. But it has to have the user value already in place. eBay has hundreds of thousands of products for sale, that's the attraction they feed off of.. Your new Opal marketplace would have to have unique products not found on eBay (or if they are, they are more expensive to buy there) The biggest thing plaguing eBay now, is chargebacks and reversals from scammers with stolen credit cards, etc. eBay usually makes the seller lose the case, so they are out the product and the money. Crypto is perfect for this scenario. If you come up with a workable model, a lot of disgruntled eBay sellers who have thrown in the towel with eBay will surely be interested in your system. Start small, don't expect too much, but build it to be scalable. If it is fully scalable, once the media takes notice of you, expect it to go very viral and popular fast. Wait, that sounds like Bitcoin too doesn't it? Start small, don't expect too much, but build it to be scalable. If it is fully scalable, once the media takes notice of you, expect it to go very viral and popular fast. |
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February 19, 2015, 10:20:44 PM |
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I'd appreciate a pm if anyone wants to unload a bunch of opal at current price (min. 100k). thanks.
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Voidlord
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February 19, 2015, 11:03:32 PM |
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Crypto is perfect for this scenario. If you come up with a workable model, a lot of disgruntled eBay sellers who have thrown in the towel with eBay will surely be interested in your system.
Start small, don't expect too much, but build it to be scalable. If it is fully scalable, once the media takes notice of you, expect it to go very viral and popular fast.
Wait, that sounds like Bitcoin too doesn't it?
Start small, don't expect too much, but build it to be scalable. If it is fully scalable, once the media takes notice of you, expect it to go very viral and popular fast.
Yes, it sounds good. Last week I was cleaning my workshop in order to fully open the Opal Embassy in April, i will put a lot of my artworks on the opal marketplace, such as postcards, posters, poker cards, drawings and oils,  Gliese Empire Flags, Peace, Regular, War 55"x17" (you can also expect Opal Posters, Flags & Colors) |
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February 19, 2015, 11:54:54 PM |
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Thanks etoque, anyway i cant stop that !
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February 20, 2015, 12:22:54 AM |
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This is how we get things done by working out the scenarios and finding the path of least resistance or legal ramifications. The only thing ebay could say is that users are trying to not pay fees and using a system to subvert ebay. But they would have to know about it
Building a system that "depends" on eBay, and its allowing of the system without making prohibitions is very tricky and short-term possible, but long-term doomed to fail. Anyone can build a marketplace community, and if using crypto is at the source of it, then it will slowly but steadily become more and more populated. What we need is a new marketplace (which opal has already started), with a community adoption. Silkroad did that successfully for the longest time. I don't want to participate in a illegal marketplace myself. But if Silkroad could do it, anyone could do it if it worked well enough, and had things available for cheaper than eBay. Word of mouth and viral adoption can happen pretty fast. But it has to have the user value already in place. eBay has hundreds of thousands of products for sale, that's the attraction they feed off of.. Your new Opal marketplace would have to have unique products not found on eBay (or if they are, they are more expensive to buy there) The biggest thing plaguing eBay now, is chargebacks and reversals from scammers with stolen credit cards, etc. eBay usually makes the seller lose the case, so they are out the product and the money. Crypto is perfect for this scenario. If you come up with a workable model, a lot of disgruntled eBay sellers who have thrown in the towel with eBay will surely be interested in your system. Start small, don't expect too much, but build it to be scalable. If it is fully scalable, once the media takes notice of you, expect it to go very viral and popular fast. Wait, that sounds like Bitcoin too doesn't it? Start small, don't expect too much, but build it to be scalable. If it is fully scalable, once the media takes notice of you, expect it to go very viral and popular fast. Thanks for the feedback. Those marketplaces never go anywhere, yeah SilkRoad had the lure of black market products and that was the main reason I never got involved, and may be partly why people would snub an Alt Coin just because of the perception of value. ebay doesn't allow illegal things so it is mainstream. Getting people to use Opal would be the challenge. What could happen though is people see it as BitCoin since it can be traded for BitCoin since it will always PEG to that value anyways, and Opal's new service is to Make an Offer on ebay. The thing is, if you can't make value from the transaction it is not worth doing it in the first place. The value in OBAY or GoPal is to subvert the exorbitant fees ebay charges, and allow people to hold something that may go up in price with millions of people getting involved and creating worth. Just putting marketplaces up to trade with a coin doesn't make any value to anything. It just allows people who mined the coin to get something for real cheap. The coin price doesn't go up because of this. What happens is the people who sold the goods must now go to an exchange and sell their Opal right away before the price drops. Then it becomes a buyers market. So the price will keep rolling down. The only places making money would be the exchanges or people manipulating the buying and selling. See how you need to make some kind of viral value? Holding the coin is the only thing that makes it worth something. Selling it for BitCoin won't get the coin anywhere long term. If people knew they could go get something at anytime with it they may just hold it. Then it becomes viral and could not be stopped by ebay since they could not prove it ever happened. People on ebay love this kind of stuff too! Think about the guy who traded 1 Red Paper Clip and 14 trades later ended up with a House. Once people accept the value in exchange for the possibility of it going up they get excited. It is like buying a stock with stuff they don't need anymore. People would be forced to Buy Opal to participate, creating a Sellers Market, these same people would also be able to trade Opal for something they now need. It would have to be widely accepted at that point and every seller would need to be able to Make An Offer. Me personally, I wouldn't do this kind of transaction on some strange site telling me to buy their coin. It just wouldn't happen. The only people who want it to happen this way are those that hold the coin. But the value always drops. If there were a way to make it so that the coin price always goes up then people would go bonkers! So why not make it a necessity that when Opal is sold for BitCoin a portion of that amount must be burned. The sellers will burn a percentage selling it, Devs can force exchange addresses to burn as the coin comes in. Then that coin is rolled back in to PoS but there is less coin to create the PoS so it extrapolates exponentially. Now Opal Drive will create a value since it gives something as a service. Opal Drive will have the same mining capability as STORJ right? Or will it just be piggybacked on top of the STORJ network? |
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February 20, 2015, 02:58:52 AM |
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PM me if interested in selling OPALs (I will be the buyer)
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February 20, 2015, 04:53:35 AM |
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Anyone a graphic designer here in the Opal Community ?  Opening up a CryptoTshirt store and want to include some Opal Shirts! If you want take a stab at creating a design shoot me the image to my inbox here. The goal of the store is not only t-shirts BUT to give back to the "devs" so $1 per purchase is going right into the dev's coffers if they so choose. If not, right back into the community here. Let me know what you think! Thanks. |
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February 20, 2015, 04:55:26 AM |
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Anyone a graphic designer here in the Opal Community ? Opening up a CryptoTshirt store and want to include some Opal Shirts! If you want take a stab at creating a design shoot me the image to my inbox here. The goal of the store is not only t-shirts BUT to give back to the "devs" so $1 per purchase is going right into the dev's coffers if they so choose. If not, right back into the community here. Let me know what you think! Thanks. There's already some designs going around. If those aren't to your use, you'll probably have to design your own or pay a designer. If needed, I can share opals graphic assets |
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February 20, 2015, 05:09:35 AM |
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Anyone a graphic designer here in the Opal Community ? Opening up a CryptoTshirt store and want to include some Opal Shirts! If you want take a stab at creating a design shoot me the image to my inbox here. The goal of the store is not only t-shirts BUT to give back to the "devs" so $1 per purchase is going right into the dev's coffers if they so choose. If not, right back into the community here. Let me know what you think! Thanks. There's already some designs going around. If those aren't to your use, you'll probably have to design your own or pay a designer. If needed, I can share opals graphic assets Yes, figured there must be some graphics around here. Can you point me to them that would be great! if not, I'll just commission someone to come up with some true. |
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February 20, 2015, 07:39:24 AM |
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PM me if interested in selling OPALs (I will be the buyer)
Buy them from the exchanges and make the price go up. I raised the price to 6000 sat with my buys! |
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February 20, 2015, 12:47:50 PM |
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Anyone a graphic designer here in the Opal Community ? Opening up a CryptoTshirt store and want to include some Opal Shirts! If you want take a stab at creating a design shoot me the image to my inbox here. The goal of the store is not only t-shirts BUT to give back to the "devs" so $1 per purchase is going right into the dev's coffers if they so choose. If not, right back into the community here. Let me know what you think! Thanks. There's already some designs going around. If those aren't to your use, you'll probably have to design your own or pay a designer. If needed, I can share opals graphic assets Yes, figured there must be some graphics around here. Can you point me to them that would be great! if not, I'll just commission someone to come up with some true. i'd like to give you a shirt design. which format do you need? if no vector, which size? colors allowed? cmyk neccessary? could u also tell more about your project? why is it better for opal to go with your project, than put up shirt designs on eg. spreadshirt? i think KainLTD already created a opal shirt but don't know if its for sell |
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February 20, 2015, 04:40:26 PM |
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Anyone a graphic designer here in the Opal Community ? Opening up a CryptoTshirt store and want to include some Opal Shirts! If you want take a stab at creating a design shoot me the image to my inbox here. The goal of the store is not only t-shirts BUT to give back to the "devs" so $1 per purchase is going right into the dev's coffers if they so choose. If not, right back into the community here. Let me know what you think! Thanks. There's already some designs going around. If those aren't to your use, you'll probably have to design your own or pay a designer. If needed, I can share opals graphic assets Yes, figured there must be some graphics around here. Can you point me to them that would be great! if not, I'll just commission someone to come up with some true. i'd like to give you a shirt design. which format do you need? if no vector, which size? colors allowed? cmyk neccessary? could u also tell more about your project? why is it better for opal to go with your project, than put up shirt designs on eg. spreadshirt? i think KainLTD already created a opal shirt but don't know if its for sell Hi! Vector would be great. CMYK would be great also if possible . As for the project this will be a crypto t-shirt store for a few alt-coins. You can pay in the crypto of your choice. Yes, do a spreadshirt for the initial mock up that is fine. It would be great to see KainLTD's stuff for sure. Thanks for the reply. |
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February 21, 2015, 02:56:11 AM |
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Great news!
As of today, we have officially retained Vanbex, a marketing and consulting company for opal.
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February 21, 2015, 07:25:40 AM |
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Great news!
As of today, we have officially retained Vanbex, a marketing and consulting company for opal.
Oh yeah good stuff coming  Glad to see some action on opal again |
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February 21, 2015, 08:57:37 AM |
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Awesome stuff, expanding in all directions! I also came across an Opal faq an help guide in pdf, made by Voidlord I believe. Had trouble finding it again, but it was well done and will be beneficial! Should be in the OP perhaps, easier to find for newcomers with questions/problems |
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February 21, 2015, 10:42:49 AM |
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Awesome stuff, expanding in all directions! I also came across an Opal faq an help guide in pdf, made by Voidlord I believe. Had trouble finding it again, but it was well done and will be beneficial! Should be in the OP perhaps, easier to find for newcomers with questions/problems For the moment, the PDF is on Slack, it will be added to the OP soon ^^ |
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Voidlord
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February 21, 2015, 03:20:29 PM |
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Great news!
As of today, we have officially retained Vanbex, a marketing and consulting company for opal.
Great ! another help |
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February 21, 2015, 03:21:55 PM |
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Opal Heraldry in progress:  Coloring the Blockchain ! |
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February 21, 2015, 04:00:08 PM |
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This is how we get things done by working out the scenarios and finding the path of least resistance or legal ramifications. The only thing ebay could say is that users are trying to not pay fees and using a system to subvert ebay. But they would have to know about it
Are you guys familiar with nxt's freemarket? I know this is not opal's own market, but integrating freemarket to supernet coins btcd/opal would/will be a very exciting thing. With something like this available + colored coins, there could be lots of opportunities to do "business" on the blockchain. |
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