Moderation of (possible) FUD and insults

[mprep]

mprep: thank you for implementing these much needed improvements. These rules will help make BTCTalk a much more peaceful place in the future.

These aren't exactly new rules. It's something that existed for quite some time now and the only thing I did was posting and stickying it.

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[IMJim]

I was referred to this thread today by a forum moderator, after I sent 2 complaints about someone on this forum.  I am left still questioning why they have not reacted to MULTIPLE complaints about an individual on the SysCoin thread.  I have not yet ran into such an outright rude, immature and downright crude individual on this forum yet.....but yet he is allowed to continue attack people on here with unwarranted and INSANELY fowl language!

I am not one to be bothered in the slightest with typical name calling or cussing, but this dude is going WAY farther than any members of this forum should have to put up with!  I've been around some pretty crude people in my life, but this dude is out there!!

It is my understanding that the dev team has also requested this person to be banned from their thread, after he was asked NUMEROUS times to calm his words down.  It was just posted that they have requested this again today.  I hope this will be honored, I don't think it should be this difficult to remove a problem on this forum that is that large!!

[mprep]

I was referred to this thread today by a forum moderator, after I sent 2 complaints about someone on this forum.  I am left still questioning why they have not reacted to MULTIPLE complaints about an individual on the SysCoin thread.  I have not yet ran into such an outright rude, immature and downright crude individual on this forum yet.....but yet he is allowed to continue attack people on here with unwarranted and INSANELY fowl language!

I am not one to be bothered in the slightest with typical name calling or cussing, but this dude is going WAY farther than any members of this forum should have to put up with!  I've been around some pretty crude people in my life, but this dude is out there!!

It is my understanding that the dev team has also requested this person to be banned from their thread, after he was asked NUMEROUS times to calm his words down.  It was just posted that they have requested this again today.  I hope this will be honored, I don't think it should be this difficult to remove a problem on this forum that is that large!!

If this thread he was "banned from" is self-moderated, contact theymos. See bellow quote why:

If you ask someone to leave your topic and they keep posting, they will be banned. PM me in such cases.

[kalus]

this place has always been a place with great freedom of expression.  thanks for keeping it balanced, but more importantly, as uncensored as possible. 

[coldcryptos]

Efforts to keep things clean don't go unappreciated. Can be difficult with an online community sometimes.

[mprep]

Ok, I know about "renting" one's sig space, and  even "selling" account but this new one takes the cake -- professional trolls.

I know of a thread where by all reasonable appearances someone hired a professional troll service to spread FUD all over the thread, while ironically trying to promote a product.

So here's my question: "do you permit professional troll services?"

Oh, and the team so far is 6 to 7  deep.  

If you can prove he was hired or it can be seen from the first look that he's constantly posting nonsense, then he will get banned.

Also promotion of other products in threads is considered ad spam and off-topic and thus not allowed.

[mprep]

Ok, I know about "renting" one's sig space, and  even "selling" account but this new one takes the cake -- professional trolls.

I know of a thread where by all reasonable appearances someone hired a professional troll service to spread FUD all over the thread, while ironically trying to promote a product.

So here's my question: "do you permit professional troll services?"

Oh, and the team so far is 6 to 7  deep.  

If you can prove he was hired or it can be seen from the first look that he's constantly posting nonsense, then he will get banned.

Also promotion of other products in threads is considered ad spam and off-topic and thus not allowed.

Wow, so professional troll services are permitted; shame.

When you condone dishonesty and deceit by allowing it in policy it drives goodness away leaving you only with evil.

The cryptocurrency industry is being crippled by the inordinate abundance of scams you should do what you can to eliminate them not codify them.

Where did you see me say that? I, in fact, said, if you can prove he participates in such service, the troll will get banned. If you are talking about scams, we don't moderate the due to possible abuse, huge volume of said occurences and in most cases non-solid evidence. However, any service that promotes/encourages/gives incentive for breaking the rules is not allowed.

[dodouuu]

Don't so nervous.The real FUD post has no substantial content.
If you believe the FUD, then prove you still need to learn.Learn to judge true and false.These can only rely on yourself, can't rely on the strength of others.

[Conurtrol]

How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

[adhitthana]

How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

I think Dan should take legal action against the owners and administrators of this forum. Which may mean the end of this forum, but it's wrong to for the admins to not take some responsibility.

[KimmyF]

Is there any tech in place on BCT to prevent people from making several new accounts?

Am going to bump my own question, really want to know! Remember reading somewhere it is not allowed. But is it enforced in any way?

Also: Is it according to the MODs an option to prevent a newbie account, just minutes old, to open a thread?

[G-Bert]

How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

7 you say?

Blocknet admits to buy into their own ito - censored content inside
So you want Proof you said ? Well see here fellow XC investor.
[ANN] Blocknet + Synechist - Have your posts been deleted??
How to spot a [Prometheus] coin CRYPT,CLOAK,KEY,HAL,UTIL
BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
Slander online, get sued
[ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains - IS A SCAM?!
[NEWS] Blocknet-Gate Scandal - The Summary (moderated)
[Blocknet-Gate] Dan - Is going to sue Spoetnik
Dan Metcalf Please Respond To The Allegations - Q&A Of Xcurrency XC
WHERE ARE BCX AND THE OTHER HERO MEMBERS ...WHAT'S THEIR TAKE ON XC AND BLOCK?
[Blocknet-Gate] Dan Metcalf = prometheus
Open Letter about the Recent Blocknet and ITO confusion and allegations
Scam leader Dan offers clone coin services
How much is SuperNET paying Fudders for spreading BS about competition???
Why is Bitcointalk allowing SDC trolls to spam the entire forum with same thing?
[QUIZ] Scam Coins
[Blocknet-Gate] The inquisition Begins NOW !
[Poll] Is Dan Metacalf (XCurrency Dev) Finished
XCurrency (XC) BlockNet community thread
[BLCOCKNET] Is Good
A message to all those involved in the BlockNET debacle
[SCAM] Blocknet
[Blocknet-Gate] Dan Metcalf + prometheus + Bobsurplus + Wolong ?
Jasinlee - one of XC's "Team Members" is a master fraudster
XC Dev dumps entire dev fund on loyal supporters before moving on to blocknet
THE SMOKING GUN: METCALF PUMP GROUP TIES EXPOSED!
[ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P

its a fucking joke.

edit: and that is a quote from spoetnik yesterday, sure there is more since then.

[NoMoreLies]

How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

7 you say?

Blocknet admits to buy into their own ito - censored content inside
So you want Proof you said ? Well see here fellow XC investor.
[ANN] Blocknet + Synechist - Have your posts been deleted??
How to spot a [Prometheus] coin CRYPT,CLOAK,KEY,HAL,UTIL
BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
Slander online, get sued
[ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains - IS A SCAM?!
[NEWS] Blocknet-Gate Scandal - The Summary (moderated)
[Blocknet-Gate] Dan - Is going to sue Spoetnik
Dan Metcalf Please Respond To The Allegations - Q&A Of Xcurrency XC
WHERE ARE BCX AND THE OTHER HERO MEMBERS ...WHAT'S THEIR TAKE ON XC AND BLOCK?
[Blocknet-Gate] Dan Metcalf = prometheus
Open Letter about the Recent Blocknet and ITO confusion and allegations
Scam leader Dan offers clone coin services
How much is SuperNET paying Fudders for spreading BS about competition???
Why is Bitcointalk allowing SDC trolls to spam the entire forum with same thing?
[QUIZ] Scam Coins
[Blocknet-Gate] The inquisition Begins NOW !
[Poll] Is Dan Metacalf (XCurrency Dev) Finished
XCurrency (XC) BlockNet community thread
[BLCOCKNET] Is Good
A message to all those involved in the BlockNET debacle
[SCAM] Blocknet
[Blocknet-Gate] Dan Metcalf + prometheus + Bobsurplus + Wolong ?
Jasinlee - one of XC's "Team Members" is a master fraudster
XC Dev dumps entire dev fund on loyal supporters before moving on to blocknet
THE SMOKING GUN: METCALF PUMP GROUP TIES EXPOSED!
[ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P

its a fucking joke.

edit: and that is a quote from spoetnik yesterday, sure there is more since then.

One of those threads was mine, but I agree this amount of threads is completely unnecessary.

[Spoetnik]

Blocknet..
They refused to let people speak on their self moderated topic.
then when we tried to discuss it on one or two other topics they trolled and SPAMMED it hard !

proof of this is moderators having to delete 18 comments from one guy alone who posted giant walls of white space to hide what we said.
This senseless trolling / spamming and name calling has flooded any topic with garbage i know i have been deleting their comments on my self moderated topic !
They line up to flood them with name calling and nothing else.

This causes more topics to be made because people can not speak with out being trolled and spammed.. flooding, causing a diversion and insults.

so surprise surprise they wander off here and started crying playing innocent LOL

guys playing dumb about Trolling and spamming i have been reporting you while come to this topic and cry..
whining about people TALKING like adults while guys act like 2yrd old's name calling & spamming ? seriously ? that is rich ahahhaa

[UnicornFarts]

I agree.  

The issue of the backlash XC is facing is due to their claims of being transparent with a heavy heavy hand at self moderating topic.  Combine that with shady practices that have turned into an outright scam and their closed sourced software that makes unverifiable claims.  Throw in an ICO trying to raise $1,000,000 and a known pump artist and you have the explosion of topics FOR GOOD REASON.

Is there any tech in place on BCT to prevent people from making several new accounts?

Theymos has said he doesn't have a problem with multiple accounts.  Sometimes it allows the bringing out of news without people revealing themselves as targets.  For instance Dan threatening to sue people over revealing information he had a major interest in hiding.

I think Dan should take legal action against the owners and administrators of this forum. Which may mean the end of this forum, but it's wrong to for the admins to not take some responsibility.

Dan has used this forum to market his coin.  He has used it to market an ICO that has raised almost 300K.  If it was not for him posting on bitcointalk none of those things would have happened.  Your problem is that the's being held accountable here for his actions.

Tough luck.  You can't sucker people for money then get pissed and expect the bitcoin forum to censor them when they find out (or even if they just feel) like they are being ripped off.  It's part of asking for money on a public forum (duh).

The list of namecalling, threats, doxxing of Spotniek & outright nastiness has DEFIANTLY come from the XCurrency camp.  NOT those of us bringing out information you would prefer to stay hidden.

Can't believe you guys are in here bawling about it because you can't bully your wait thru a main forum.  And threatening to sue the forum owners.

[Spoetnik]

And the dev of Blockent is egging everyone on non stop on his self modded topic too (then deleting anything that challenges him)
he claims everyone is a photshop'ing dirt bag of sorts and denies all evidence = hence a problem LOL
it's called honesty !

read this..

Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P

Fudsters will FUD.

Scammers will scam and Liars will lie.

and Spoetnik will always be full of shit.... nothing new here, just trolls, fudders and Spoetnik....

Morning all

Have I been mistaken in reading Spoetnik's threads as parody?

I mean, they read like a parody of FUD - and a witty one. Some of them have been hilarious (like the Blocknet being scammy because we use "pictures" in the OP. Ha ha!).

Personally I thought he was trying to take the piss out of the fudsters who take themselves seriously.

Am I wrong?

then..

Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P

Do not respond to or discuss unverifiable FUD claims here.

Doing so only perpetrates more FUD, even (and especially) if you defend against it.

Unverifiable = ignore.

Moving on...

How is it unverifiable if you don't verify it by asking ?

[Hityor_Petar]

How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

This is true this Spoetnik guy has almost 8 threads of pretty much the same thing. Then a few of his friends made even more. Way too much. Delete most of them and keep 1 or 2. It's out of control.

[rugrats]

The moderation is basically a libertarian approach just as the whole BTC thing has a libertarian concept around it.
To the ill educated ones who cant quite grasp the sensible moderation approach please visit your local library and read everything.
Seriously?  
Of all the places you would imagine the libertarian concept to be fully understood it would be here. But nah, we see
the same brainwashed hordes running around demanding their liberties be taken away from them.
Doesnt matter the reason, their always the same
Ultimately these people shoot themselves in the foot.

The mods approach is correct!

While there are a few libertarians on this board, they are in the minority - just like in real live.
As you stand on your pedestal castigating the "ill educated", keep in mind that

• [miners] are in complete control of Bitcoin's production in the absence of a central authority
• [miners] are remunerated proportionally for their effort
• The entire Bitcoin ecosystem is entirely dependent on a [consensus-based blockchain]

Now, replace
[miners] with [workers]
[central authority] with [factory owners, landowners, etc.]
[consensus-based blockchain] with [democratic blockchain]

What do you have? Limited socialism at play.

I also used to think the forum administrators were libertarians. Now I realize they are just apathetic.

[Fuserleer]

Could we perhaps get this thread either deleted or renamed them?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411366.0

I've been asking various mods for MONTHS to get this sorted out as it is obvious trolling and every accusation was proven WRONG.  The poster even attempted blackmail, and then did the same with other developers.

It shows up near to the top of Google first page for a search of eMunie, I've put 110% of everything into this project, and its damaging,  Tbh that thread still being here with that title and first post content is wearing my patience thin and exacerbating my frustrations.

I'd be very grateful if something could finally be done about it.

Thanks.

[mprep]

Could we perhaps get this thread either deleted or renamed them?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411366.0

I've been asking various mods for MONTHS to get this sorted out as it is obvious trolling and every accusation was proven WRONG.  The poster even attempted blackmail, and then did the same with other developers.

It shows up near to the top of Google first page for a search of eMunie, I've put 110% of everything into this project, and its damaging,  Tbh that thread still being here with that title and first post content is wearing my patience thin and exacerbating my frustrations.

I'd be very grateful if something could finally be done about it.

Thanks.

That means that the mods you were asking didn't think it was trolling, neither do I. He posted it in a calm, constructive matter. Regarding the accusations being wrong (from this thread's OP):

Moderators don't moderate for truth.