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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. how the fuck so much people still play it if its an obvious scam? I mean just think about it, they have this problem for months and they dont even bother fixing it, its possible to fix that in like a week in a worstcase scenario if you work alone, theyre taking a piss on all of their players, and they just want to rob them, there are tons of people who dont even bother posting here after being scammed, thats what makes them money I might be wrong though, its just my personal opinion, looking forward to the owners answer |
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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. how the fuck so much people still play it if its an obvious scam? I mean just think about it, they have this problem for months and they dont even bother fixing it, its possible to fix that in like a week in a worstcase scenario if you work alone, theyre taking a piss on all of their players, and they just want to rob them, there are tons of people who dont even bother posting here after being scammed, thats what makes them money I might be wrong though, its just my personal opinion, looking forward to the owners answer I disagree. The house edge is what makes them money, just like in any gambling. The house will win overall, some players will lose, some will win. You can think of it as if the house takes a fee from each bet, can be from .1-10% from what I've found, depending on the venue and game played. In the end, once the smoke clears, that's how it will work out. with the house always profiting by the % of house edge. It's a winning situation no matter how you look at. Scamming people would not make more money, it would reduce the income, as the number of bets made would stay small. The more bets made, the more profit. To them it should be inconsequential who wins who loses, so long as it is played fair, the house will profit. |
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November 18, 2016, 05:08:08 AM |
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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. how the fuck so much people still play it if its an obvious scam? I mean just think about it, they have this problem for months and they dont even bother fixing it, its possible to fix that in like a week in a worstcase scenario if you work alone, theyre taking a piss on all of their players, and they just want to rob them, there are tons of people who dont even bother posting here after being scammed, thats what makes them money I might be wrong though, its just my personal opinion, looking forward to the owners answer I disagree. The house edge is what makes them money, just like in any gambling. The house will win overall, some players will lose, some will win. You can think of it as if the house takes a fee from each bet, can be from .1-10% from what I've found, depending on the venue and game played. In the end, once the smoke clears, that's how it will work out. with the house always profiting by the % of house edge. It's a winning situation no matter how you look at. Scamming people would not make more money, it would reduce the income, as the number of bets made would stay small. The more bets made, the more profit. To them it should be inconsequential who wins who loses, so long as it is played fair, the house will profit. I agree in theory, but if they spike the price every time a call is purchased/bet, then it is clearly a scam. I don't want to accuse this company of anything yet, maybe it is just their data feed. But I hope they do the right thing. I have been looking for a good binary options broker that deals in bitcoins and secondstrade looks great...if in fact they are fair. |
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November 18, 2016, 05:54:18 AM |
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Price incorrect long time.
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usd/cny exchange rate to get the BTC/USD price as changed from 6.471098 to 7.16732845 below is BTC/USD formula. The used price : (bid + ask + last price ) / 3 BTC/USD: average of Huobi, Okcoin, Btcchina, Bitstamp. (Huobi/A+ Okcoin/A + Btcchina/A + Bitstamp *0.3) / 3.3 ( A : usd/cny exchange rate; whenever it is changed , we are going to publish bitcointalk.org) Dec/15/2015 A:7.16732845 thank you. |
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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. as you notice on http://secondstrade.com/notice.html, the transaction have too small fee will be executed after 1 confirmation. Currlently the amount of fee need at least 20000 shtosi in the trasaction on our site. but your transaction fee was 0.00011797 BTC. so your bet was executed after 1 confirmation. you can check the confimation time on the https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9and our quote get from xignite.com. we just use the data. thank you. |
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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. as you notice on http://secondstrade.com/notice.html, the transaction have too small fee will be executed after 1 confirmation. Currlently the amount of fee need at least 20000 shtosi in the trasaction on our site. but your transaction fee was 0.00011797 BTC. so your bet was executed after 1 confirmation. you can check the confimation time on the https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9and our quote get from xignite.com. we just use the data. thank you. Your website says "Currlently the amount of fee is at least 20000 shtosi per KB of data in the trasaction." (proof: http://prntscr.com/d8u2vo). That means a fee rate of 0.0002 BTC per KB of data, my transfer was 52,416 shtosi per KB of data, well above the 20,000 required. The fee rate is shown here: https://www.localbitcoinschain.com/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9or you can simply calculate it. The transfer was 225 bits (which equals 0.225 KB), and the fee was 12693.6 shtosi. 12693.6 / 0.225 = ~56416 shtosi per KB....again, well above the 20000 required (250% more). So clearly this bet should have been done right away, not after 1 confirmation... ALSO: If you look at http://www.xignite.com/, their clients include TD Ameritrade ( http://prntscr.com/d8u07x, you can see TD Ameritrade in the middle row, third to last one)...which is the chart that I showed you: http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rTD Ameritrade and you use the same exact price feed, the prices are the same. The only difference is that your prices randomly spike because the data is unfiltered. Again, here is an example of a price spike: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lIn this example, the price did not jump from 1.07534 all the way to 1.07565 and then right back. Nobody else shows this move, even TD Ameritrade which uses the same exact price feed (from xignite.com). This is the same exact price feed, and I proved to you that the price was at the most 1.07515, not 1.07560 when the bet was made. It did not even get close to that level until 20 minutes later. I also showed you a screenshot of your prices spiking randomly. Eitehr way, I should have won this bet because the price of EURUSD was higher from when I bought it to when it expired. |
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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. as you notice on http://secondstrade.com/notice.html, the transaction have too small fee will be executed after 1 confirmation. Currlently the amount of fee need at least 20000 shtosi in the trasaction on our site. but your transaction fee was 0.00011797 BTC. so your bet was executed after 1 confirmation. you can check the confimation time on the https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9and our quote get from xignite.com. we just use the data. thank you. Your website says "Currlently the amount of fee is at least 20000 shtosi per KB of data in the trasaction." (proof: http://prntscr.com/d8u2vo). That means a fee rate of 0.0002 BTC per KB of data, my transfer was 52,416 shtosi per KB of data, well above the 20,000 required. The fee rate is shown here: https://www.localbitcoinschain.com/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9or you can simply calculate it. The transfer was 225 bits (which equals 0.225 KB), and the fee was 12693.6 shtosi. 12693.6 / 0.225 = ~56416 shtosi per KB....again, well above the 20000 required (250% more). So clearly this bet should have been done right away, not after 1 confirmation... ALSO: If you look at http://www.xignite.com/, their clients include TD Ameritrade ( http://prntscr.com/d8u07x, you can see TD Ameritrade in the middle row, third to last one)...which is the chart that I showed you: http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rTD Ameritrade and you use the same exact price feed, the prices are the same. The only difference is that your prices randomly spike because the data is unfiltered. Again, here is an example of a price spike: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lIn this example, the price did not jump from 1.07534 all the way to 1.07565 and then right back. Nobody else shows this move, even TD Ameritrade which uses the same exact price feed (from xignite.com). This is the same exact price feed, and I proved to you that the price was at the most 1.07515, not 1.07560 when the bet was made. It did not even get close to that level until 20 minutes later. I also showed you a screenshot of your prices spiking randomly. Eitehr way, I should have won this bet because the price of EURUSD was higher from when I bought it to when it expired.
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I did the following bet: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9It was a EURUSD call. I sent the transfer on 2016-11-15 02:23:43, but the trade was not executed until 2:53:27, 30 minutes later. The payment was sent from Electrum, which is a wallet you recommend and I saw the transaction in blockchain.org a second after I sent it. http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9Not only that, the price of EURUSD was ~1.07515 when the option was finally purchased, but it spiked on your platform to 1.0756 and then right back down. And the option was executed at 1.0756 even though no other feed had that price movement (FXCM, Interactive Brokers or ThinkorSwim...three of the largest forex brokers). Here is an example of a similar price spike soon after the bet was made: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lSo basically, even with the 30 minutes extra to execute my trade, I should have won it, or at the least tied it depending on what price the option was traded at...so can you return my bet. This was my first bet and I want to place a lot more but I want to know that it will be done fairly. EDIT: Here is the price of EURUSD when the option was purchased. This is from TDAmeritrade, one of the worlds largest brokers. http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rThe red line is 1.0756, and the oval is the 1 minute bar the time the bet was made. As you can see, the price was nowhere near 1.0756. And I am sure that if you look at your price feed, it will show the same spike that I linked before. Also, I know that price feeds can be different but never by 5 pips, and your price feed has matches TD Ameritrade and the other broker's that I use within 0.3 pips, while this spike was ~5 pips. Even though I was clearly suppose to win the bet, I would be fine if you just refund it. I think that would be the fairest option. as you notice on http://secondstrade.com/notice.html, the transaction have too small fee will be executed after 1 confirmation. Currlently the amount of fee need at least 20000 shtosi in the trasaction on our site. but your transaction fee was 0.00011797 BTC. so your bet was executed after 1 confirmation. you can check the confimation time on the https://blockchain.info/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9and our quote get from xignite.com. we just use the data. thank you. Your website says "Currlently the amount of fee is at least 20000 shtosi per KB of data in the trasaction." (proof: http://prntscr.com/d8u2vo). That means a fee rate of 0.0002 BTC per KB of data, my transfer was 52,416 shtosi per KB of data, well above the 20,000 required. The fee rate is shown here: https://www.localbitcoinschain.com/tx/a5577b56fe6b8cc64914a8e3b6b94aaf1bf93675697750e68e5604845305fcb9or you can simply calculate it. The transfer was 225 bits (which equals 0.225 KB), and the fee was 12693.6 shtosi. 12693.6 / 0.225 = ~56416 shtosi per KB....again, well above the 20000 required (250% more). So clearly this bet should have been done right away, not after 1 confirmation... ALSO: If you look at http://www.xignite.com/, their clients include TD Ameritrade ( http://prntscr.com/d8u07x, you can see TD Ameritrade in the middle row, third to last one)...which is the chart that I showed you: http://prntscr.com/d8mm4rTD Ameritrade and you use the same exact price feed, the prices are the same. The only difference is that your prices randomly spike because the data is unfiltered. Again, here is an example of a price spike: http://prntscr.com/d8mf2lIn this example, the price did not jump from 1.07534 all the way to 1.07565 and then right back. Nobody else shows this move, even TD Ameritrade which uses the same exact price feed (from xignite.com). This is the same exact price feed, and I proved to you that the price was at the most 1.07515, not 1.07560 when the bet was made. It did not even get close to that level until 20 minutes later. I also showed you a screenshot of your prices spiking randomly. Eitehr way, I should have won this bet because the price of EURUSD was higher from when I bought it to when it expired. you can check on the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees about the transaction fee. if the data size is 0~ 1k byte , the fee need 0.0002 btc and if the data size is 1 kbyte ~ 2k byte, the fee need 0.0004 btc. ... our notice means like a above. if you set default fee 0.0002 on your wallet, the fee will be sent with the way like above. and our data feed from xignite.com, we just show the data. you can compare the data of xignite.com and the data of our site. these price always same. thank you. |
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November 18, 2016, 04:29:12 PM |
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Hey man, don't forget me! I could use those payouts before tomorrow please.
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November 18, 2016, 06:01:46 PM |
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Omg.. I lost  Who win here? Thanks |
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joeh6922
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November 18, 2016, 06:20:46 PM |
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Well, I did ok this morning but still haven't got my payouts. Not sure if he just didn't see me here or what. It's getting old doing this every day, having to wait for him to get around to sending me payouts. I mean damn, when I lose he gets it instantly. Why should I have to wait sometimes 2-3 days to get paid?
I am probably his most active player, too.....
Come on secondstrade, I need those coins. It's hard having hundreds tied up waiting for you all the time.
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