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July 04, 2015, 09:47:30 AM
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According the new rule of 0.5% of remaining distribution we will get tomorrow approx. 340 HZ/node.
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July 04, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
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When the detailed node message (with node IPs and amount per node) will be back?
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July 04, 2015, 10:00:07 AM
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According the new rule of 0.5% of remaining distribution we will get tomorrow approx. 340 HZ/node.

Where can we find the announcement?

If I understand you correctly:
Currently distributed: 851251064.7284 (https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/api.php?page=distributed)
Remaining: 148748935.2716
0.5% (per day): 743744.676358
per node: 340.69843168 (with 2183 nodes)

I think the number of nodes will drop significantly
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July 04, 2015, 12:18:50 PM
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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?
Without having looked into the code that actually generates HZ addresses ... here is an (inaccurate) upper bound:

* my numerical account ID is 12846730982802002083 (NHZ-Q675-SGBG-LQ43-D38L6 - thx)
* if all digits could be 9, then
* 99999999999999999999 would be the largest of that decimal length

= (10^21) -1

--> not more than a Sextillion of unique addresses,
----> that is 10^21 / 10^9 / 7 = 10^(21-9) / 7 = 10^12 / 7 = 142,857,142,857 per human (a hundred billion)

What would lower that considerably is if the hashing of generated private keys
is not surjective on the bounded lattice (0≤x<10^21 for every x in |N).

Does that help you?

And why do you ask?  curious me wonders ...

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July 04, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
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I just did a normal downlaod from here https://horizonplatform.io/get-started/wallets/ of the full walllet. Unzziped it and tried to open it.  Am I doing something wrong?

I have Version 8 Update 45 of Java

I Googled the error you got, and the best answer was: only part of your Java is up to date. Here's a post from an Apple discussion thread on the same issue:

Quote from: saguinag
Got this issue fixed.  Notice that above I had said that Java 1.8 got installed but only as a Plug-In.  I did not appear to have installed the complete JDK.  I had to remove the Plug-In and reinstall Java 1.8

Code:
sudo rm -rf  /Library/Internet\ Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin

java -version

java version "1.8.0_31"

Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_31-b13)

Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.31-b07, mixed mode)

Now I need to change my symbolic link for javac:

Before:

Code:
javac -version

javac 1.7.0_75


After:

Code:
$ sudo ln -s /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/javac javac

$ javac -version

javac 1.8.0_31
Now everything works

HTH

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July 04, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

One secret passphrase -> one address. So, the number of addresses you can have is really limited by the number of secret passphrases you can generate...and maintain.






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July 04, 2015, 03:00:31 PM
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According the new rule of 0.5% of remaining distribution we will get tomorrow approx. 340 HZ/node.

Where can we find the announcement?

If I understand you correctly:
Currently distributed: 851251064.7284 (https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/api.php?page=distributed)
Remaining: 148748935.2716
0.5% (per day): 743744.676358
per node: 340.69843168 (with 2183 nodes)

I think the number of nodes will drop significantly

I found it here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg11784831#msg11784831

Yes, the amount of nodes will be reduced until we are getting again a payment of >450-500 HZ. According this new calculation every day we will receive in total 3000 HZ less for all nodes. Means for everybody 1-2 HZ per node less every day. Assuming that the amount of nodes is stil lstable at ~ 2000.

1.day: 1.5
2.day: 3 (in total lost 4.5)
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July 04, 2015, 03:32:49 PM
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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

Good question. The answer is a lot...2^64

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July 04, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

Good question. The answer is a lot...2^64
How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?
Without having looked into the code that actually generates HZ addresses ... here is an (inaccurate) upper bound:

* my numerical account ID is 12846730982802002083 (NHZ-Q675-SGBG-LQ43-D38L6 - thx)
* if all digits could be 9, then
* 99999999999999999999 would be the largest of that decimal length

= (10^21) -1

--> not more than a Sextillion of unique addresses,
----> that is 10^21 / 10^9 / 7 = 10^(21-9) / 7 = 10^12 / 7 = 142,857,142,857 per human (a hundred billion)

What would lower that considerably is if the hashing of generated private keys
is not surjective on the bounded lattice (0≤x<10^21 for every x in |N).

Does that help you?

And why do you ask?  curious me wonders ...
How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

One secret passphrase -> one address. So, the number of addresses you can have is really limited by the number of secret passphrases you can generate...and maintain.

Thanks guys,

   Only curiosity,If calculations of altsheets are correct of 142,857,142,857 addresses per human is really a "very big number", now said for Nxtblg leave enough clear that really there isn´t a limit for use many addresses for same person.
   Well maybe max. capacity of addresses never can be reach(Thinking for example on a problem like Y2K, that some systems weren`t prepared and somebody had did some modifications to "dates") and speaking only of addresses a problem like  could dont happens on next years or maybe never in normal conditions.Speaking about performance:  Could a big sudden increase affect platform?  I mean that an malicious code could be able of create hundreds of thousands of addresses on short time, how systems is prepared to this?. May be the block explorers could be first affected with this.
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July 04, 2015, 04:04:21 PM
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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

Good question. The answer is a lot...2^64

ah, I see. That is 2^64 = 18446744073709551616 = 0.018 * 10^21

So with my back-of-the-envelope calculation I actually hit the upper bound quite well:
... here is an (inaccurate) upper bound ... 10^21
I only overestimated it by a factor of 54. *lol*

That also means, that: No, it is
... not surjective on the bounded lattice (0≤x<10^21 for every x in |N).


New attempt at grasping that number:

2^64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ~ 18.4* 10^18 ("18.4 quintillion")

/ 7,326,263,793 = 2.5 billion HZ addresses per living human

or if we (exclude plants to apply for a HZ address, and only) count all living animals in:

/ 20,000,121,091,000,000,000 = 0.922 HZ addresses per living animal.

HEY, THE hz ADDRESSES WON'T BE ENOUGH (for every animal on Earth).

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July 04, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

Good question. The answer is a lot...2^64

ah, I see. That is 2^64 = 18446744073709551616 = 0.018 * 10^21

So with my back-of-the-envelope calculation I actually hit the upper bound quite well:
... here is an (inaccurate) upper bound ... 10^21
I only overestimated it by a factor of 54. *lol*

That also means, that: No, it is
... not surjective on the bounded lattice (0≤x<10^21 for every x in |N).


New attempt at grasping that number:

2^64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ~ 18.4* 10^18 ("18.4 quintillion")

/ 7,326,263,793 = 2.5 billion HZ addresses per living human

or if we (exclude plants to apply for a HZ address, and only) count all living animals in:

/ 20,000,121,091,000,000,000 = 0.922 HZ addresses per living animal.

HEY, THE hz ADDRESSES WON'T BE ENOUGH (for every animal on Earth).

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How many total adresses  can be created on hz?   any idea?

Good question. The answer is a lot...2^64

Thank You Pizpie for clarify this for us.
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July 04, 2015, 04:16:36 PM
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As announced before, the node bounty script was changed to stretch the distribution period.
From tomorrow on it will pay out 0.5% of the undistributed amount each day.
Clever choice. That will stretch it too infinity. And beyond :-)

Today, I have been playing with the numbers a bit. See this code:
https://github.com/altsheets/hz-blockexplorer/blob/master/py/nodebountyprojection.py

When I considered my code to be ready, I realized that: Yes there are node-bounties, but also:
There are other bounties, e.g. the stakeholder bounty, and all the bounties announced here, etc. - and more.


To improve my projections I would like an average total value of all payments.
Perhaps simply of e.g. the past 3 months
. Where from can I get that data?

This beautiful and informative diagram
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution
shows one week of the past. Not enough to guess the average values well enough.

Is it perhaps possible to create a second diagram
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution&timespan=90
to show the same data over the past 3 months?

Thanks for considering it.

;-)

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July 05, 2015, 07:05:03 AM
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In order to make sure that everyone gets the news, the exchange script will operate for 120 days after the March 9th start. So, the last day to send your NFD to the exchangebot will be July 5th of this year. After that, it will cut off the buyout line and distribute HZ to any sent NFD that’s left.  


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July 05, 2015, 12:06:11 PM
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As announced before, the node bounty script was changed to stretch the distribution period.
From tomorrow on it will pay out 0.5% of the undistributed amount each day.
Clever choice. That will stretch it too infinity. And beyond :-)
Not really, we won't end up at a round 1B at the end because of fees and things we may have overlooked when calculating the distribution stuff.
But at least it will run out gradually, not suddenly at once.


To improve my projections I would like an average total value of all payments.
Perhaps simply of e.g. the past 3 months
. Where from can I get that data?

This beautiful and informative diagram
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution
shows one week of the past. Not enough to guess the average values well enough.

Is it perhaps possible to create a second diagram
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution&timespan=90
to show the same data over the past 3 months?

Thanks for considering it.

;-)

https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution&offset=30d
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution&offset=60d
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution&offset=90d
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=graphs&graph=distribution&offset=all

The links have been in the old design of the explorer, but got lost with james's redesign
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July 05, 2015, 12:21:37 PM
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I just did a normal downlaod from here https://horizonplatform.io/get-started/wallets/ of the full walllet. Unzziped it and tried to open it.  Am I doing something wrong?

I have Version 8 Update 45 of Java

I Googled the error you got, and the best answer was: only part of your Java is up to date. Here's a post from an Apple discussion thread on the same issue:

Quote from: saguinag
Got this issue fixed.  Notice that above I had said that Java 1.8 got installed but only as a Plug-In.  I did not appear to have installed the complete JDK.  I had to remove the Plug-In and reinstall Java 1.8

Code:
sudo rm -rf  /Library/Internet\ Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin

java -version

java version "1.8.0_31"

Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_31-b13)

Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.31-b07, mixed mode)

Now I need to change my symbolic link for javac:

Before:

Code:
javac -version

javac 1.7.0_75


After:

Code:
$ sudo ln -s /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/javac javac

$ javac -version

javac 1.8.0_31
Now everything works

HTH

If this post doesn't help, please let us know. Smiley


Many thanks! Will give it a go.  Much appreciated.

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July 05, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
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Altsheets' blockexplorer update has been merged and is live! Thank you very much!
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=assets
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Altsheets' blockexplorer update has been merged and is live! Thank you very much!
https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=assets

Yeah - looks great!






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July 05, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
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<<Update 5>>
Here you can find a summary about the node payments of the last days.

Payment_Date | Payment per Node | Node count | Number of Payments | Remark | Remaining HZ
2015-06-25 | 443.06602 | 2257 | 2256 | single payments
2015-06-26 | 0.0 | ? | 0 | no paymants
2015-06-27 | 539.66541 | 1853 | 367 | combined payments
2015-06-28 | 479.84645 | 2084 | 2083 | replayed payments
2015-06-29 | 591.71598 | 1690 | 391 | combined payments
2015-06-30 | 570.12543 | 1754 | 338 | combined payments
2015-06-30 | 571.10223 | -     | 1365 | extra payments
2015-07-01 | 571.10223 | 1751 | 2113 | combined payments
2015-07-02 | 510.20408 | 1961 | 1987 | combined payments
2015-07-03 | 495.54014 | 2018 | 2018 | combined payments
2015-07-04 | 458.08520 | 2183 | 2184 | combined payments | 148748935
2015-07-04 | 327.36754 | 2272? | 2149 | combined payments | 138900329

The red values indicate incomplete payments.
2015-07-01: The extra payments late yesterday seems to be the missing payments from 2015-06-30.
2015-07-02: Seems no missing payments today.
2015-07-03: All ok.
2015-07-04: All ok.
2015-07-04: First day of new distribution method. (0.5% of remaining HZ per day)
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Hi pharesim,

can you please add the total node count to the message? With the new distribution method the total amount of distributed HZ per day is  difficult to determine.
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