BITMAIN announces Antpool

[p3yot33at3r]

Well I'm not going back to ghash.io. There are worse things in life than empty blocks.

Not concerning the Bitcoin network there isn't. but of course - ghash isn't a plausible option  

Can't fault kano's pool tbh - for a centralized pool it's top notch in all departments.

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[Fatman3001]

I never implied that you should .

Sorry, lazy posting. Was just using your info as ref.

[Fatman3001]

Well I'm not going back to ghash.io. There are worse things in life than empty blocks.

Not concerning the Bitcoin network there isn't. but of course - ghash isn't a plausible option  

Can't fault kano's pool tbh - for a centralized pool it's top notch in all departments.

Of course there is. NOTHING happens. It's annoying to some, and doesn't seem fair. But there are other and larger issues on the horizon. The state of Bitcoin isn't that rosy.

[sloopy]

Well I'm not going back to ghash.io. There are worse things in life than empty blocks.

Not concerning the Bitcoin network there isn't. but of course - ghash isn't a plausible option  

Can't fault kano's pool tbh - for a centralized pool it's top notch in all departments.

Of course there is. NOTHING happens. It's annoying to some, and doesn't seem fair. But there are other and larger issues on the horizon. The state of Bitcoin isn't that rosy.

And this is exactly why you have to do what you can.
Well, obviously you do not have to, but man I have followed several people mining here and a couple of which I really thought cared about the Bitcoin scene.

I feel like yes we can talk about greed, because if greed takes over an idealistic stance then that is what hurts bitcoin. That is EXACTLY why these chinese pools are doing what they are doing. You may need to entertain a bit more variance and mine at a smaller pool but you get the same results at the end of the day. Mining at one of these pools is lending a hand to destroying what many love, and what bitcoin was made to do which is to be the Robin Hood of currency.

I've purchased a couple of bitcoin miners from bitmain but it has only been since we cannot get anyone else to sell us decent product, and what has went down with the S7 sales shows what is going on as clear as the issues you have with the interface. They know they have the only game in town and that people will stay because they mine with less variance, but I seriously doubt you guys are making more coin than for example the miners at Kano. It has been a phenomenal summer and shaping up to be an amazing fall.

I know I am wasting my 'breath' on most, but I've also felt like the couple of people I am really talking to care about our community and continuing to support these pools is harming it. There is nothing wrong with a little greed when discussing currency, but there is something wrong with it when it comes at the price of the very thing we should be supporting.

Please consider giving a different pool a shot, even if it is a small amount of your hash to begin with. You can look at Kano's pool record since the first block and it will be obvious you make more by mining there. Even if you do not agree with Kano's political views the fact is he has a pool making more than any PPS pool and has the best support you could ever ask to have.

Take 10 minutes and be completely open minded and consider taking a chance on a move. There are things I don't agree with Slush about, Kano knows I'd enjoy having some other coins we could merge mine like unobtanium but I know he will never offer such, but even if we don't agree on it, I trust his reasoning. He has proven to me I should over and over again. He is dead set against Bip 101, but many are for it, but that still doesn't mean his isn't a better option than here.

Bitmain is not for decentralization Bitmain is for profit any way they can get it and f2pool is just as bad if not worse. SPV mining, empty blocks, and they keep going. I bet if it made monetary sense they would double spend, and you can believe that will take your coin every chance they get, if you know or not.

Regardless what anyone chooses, I wish you the best of luck and hope you make a mint, but I sincerely hope you realize you really aren't making more coin here, and Bitmain could care less about a few miners outside China who don't like something. There are people who do care and will do anything they can to help everyone be successful.

It only takes a few people to make a big difference. Consider being one of those people. You will be surprised how great it is to know you are helping to spread the hash among many other things around which bitcoin was made.

Consider this, Satoshi did not make bitcoin to be famous, he made it as a gift to humanity. It would be following his ideals to support any pool doing everything they could to treat people the best they possibly could and help keep bitcoin strong. These chinese pools are gaming the network and gaming their users, every day.

F2pool and bitmain would not use the methods they do if it wasn't the most profitable for them.
You can make them change to a better model, it simply takes you.

[hurricandave]

I have but one suggestion
LOAD BALANCE POOL MANAGMENT

[eleuthria]

As of block 376918 AntPool has added 561 empty blocks to the blockchain of the 8094 total blocks it has solved.  That's 6.93% of all the blocks they've ever solved.

Edit:

Here is the list of the offenders.  Worst on top.  I have purposefully left out any unknowns and have just reported the pools that have submitted empty blocks.

https://i.imgur.com/hH6URra.png

Thanks for the confirmation JB, good info here.

So it's official, the results are in - antpool is the worst Bitcoin network abuser/offender of all time.

Edit: It's no surprise which pool was the most Bitcoin friendly pool - BTCGuild. Eleuthria - you are sorely missed  

To be clear, I only showed the data from pools who have in fact submitted an empty block to the chain.  There are plenty of other pools out there who have never submitted empty blocks - they just are not part of the picture above.  For example, kano's pool has never submitted an empty block.  Neither have BitFury or 21 Inc or ghash.io.

No pool should ever submit empty blocks these days.  BTC Guild had 3 out of 32,000, but I would wager all 3 were probably in 2011 (*maybe* 2012).  Back in the days where the mempool could actually be empty for a brief period if the network solved multiple blocks in quick succession.  These days, that is virtually impossible.  It would require a miner to receive work that contains *every* tx in the mempool of that pool, find a solving share, submit that share, and have the pool coin daemon validate the block before a single new transaction is seen.

With the network almost always at 1tx/sec+, it's extremely unlikely all that happens before a new tx is seen.  Additionally, somebody else would have to solve another block with the empty work that pool provided.  This means 30-60 seconds after the pool solved the previous block (depending on how frequently they push work updates).  So on top of the unlikely scenario of a mempool actually being empty from a block solve, the pool then needs to be extremely lucky immediately after.

[sloopy]

I have but one suggestion
LOAD BALANCE POOL MANAGMENT

It doesn't work correctly. I've tried and so have many others.

[Fatman3001]

@sloopy

I don't agree with Kano on BIP101, I don't agree with Kano on BIP100 (Remember Ghash.io mid-2014?), and I don't agree with Kano being Kano.

Antpools tentative support for XT is the one thing that makes me hesitant about switching.

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/633288343338381314

However, the larger issue with the Chinese pools is this: What if the Chinese government starts calling the Chinese pools, like they did with the exchanges in late 2013, and order them to do stuff to the network?

@eleuthria

If you make an XT-pool I will point my machines at them in a heartbeat. It's slim pickens without BTCGuild.

[dog1965]

Delete this again.

[Fatman3001]

@dog1965 there is a button next to "quote" and "edit"

[p3yot33at3r]

I check this thread from time to time and am amazed at how many complaints I see!  People, point your machines somewhere else.  The only reason people continue to mine at this pool is greed and self delusion.  They like to see daily payments and they like to be part of "one of the biggest pools", but this pool is bad for bitcoin and ultimately bad for all of its users that are not Bitmain.  Yet people continue to point hash here when there are numerous options that are better for the network (and ultimately better for all of us), and still get you paid.

Besides, nobody can point me to a good BIP101/XT pool.

I can. Fire up a p2pool node using the XT client if that's your thing. Currently p2pool is sitting on over 200% 7 day luck, there's no Chinese ads, you can merge mine, no late payments, you control the pool & you'll be contributing to the Network again. Happy days 

[allinvain]

They are just copying eligius ...
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6525

Basically either crappy pool software (too slow handling block changes) or ... they fall under the same heading as all the other pools generating lots of empty blocks

My pool doesn't do it and averages much faster at handling block changes than eligius ... which is why in the past year my pool has only had 1 orphan.
(total 2 orphans since my pool started, the other was my pool's 2nd block a bit over a year ago)

I wish more people would be using your pool so the block solve rate would improve. Having said that I wonder how well your pool software would scale.

[allinvain]

I've sent them an e-mail about the horrible re-design asking them bring back the worker sorting capability. I bet some of you have done the same thing as me. I wonder if they will listen to us or even bother to reply.

[willi9974]

antpool working on a hard lock since more than 4 hours 

[coinits]

All that you need to know about this shit pool.

Obvious owners do not give a fuck about its customers.

That's actually old data... it hasn't gotten any better at all.

It would be nice to see some updated stats, just to show people how much the worst offenders (antpool, f2pool & eligius) are screwing over the Bitcoin network & everyone who relies on it.

As of block 376918 AntPool has added 561 empty blocks to the blockchain of the 8094 total blocks it has solved.  That's 6.93% of all the blocks they've ever solved.

Edit:

Here is the list of the offenders.  Worst on top.  I have purposefully left out any unknowns and have just reported the pools that have submitted empty blocks.

Unfortunately BTCGuild is defunct.

[kano]

They are just copying eligius ...
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6525

Basically either crappy pool software (too slow handling block changes) or ... they fall under the same heading as all the other pools generating lots of empty blocks

My pool doesn't do it and averages much faster at handling block changes than eligius ... which is why in the past year my pool has only had 1 orphan.
(total 2 orphans since my pool started, the other was my pool's 2nd block a bit over a year ago)

I wish more people would be using your pool so the block solve rate would improve. Having said that I wonder how well your pool software would scale.

We ran 5PHs back in Jan with no problems - using less than 10% of the server ...
Currently using about 5% of it ...

[allinvain]

Good news, worker sorting function will be back soon. This is a directly reply from Bitmain.

"Worker sorting function will be back soon.2015-10-03 22:16 GMT+08:00 Bitmain Technologies Limited "

[dog1965]

is this working correctly ? every time the diff switches from 4.1k to 2.05k it causes 1 hw error ?

 

[sloopy]

@sloopy

I don't agree with Kano on BIP101, I don't agree with Kano on BIP100 (Remember Ghash.io mid-2014?), and I don't agree with Kano being Kano.

Antpools tentative support for XT is the one thing that makes me hesitant about switching.

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/633288343338381314

However, the larger issue with the Chinese pools is this: What if the Chinese government starts calling the Chinese pools, like they did with the exchanges in late 2013, and order them to do stuff to the network?

@eleuthria

If you make an XT-pool I will point my machines at them in a heartbeat. It's slim pickens without BTCGuild.

I guess that is when we as individuals decide which is more important for the overall good of what bitcoin will be.
I sincerely hope bitcoin becomes a payment processing giant. I hope it moves financial resources from the existing group of people to a much larger one with more input and maybe even control over our economy on an individual scale. ...And at the end of my involvement be it through whatever means or reason that I can look at something which did not just touch a few lives, but changed the economic landscape to a system which spreads a positive influence over the planet, and maybe has some impact on people across the world so they might look at life choices and make a change just through their involvement with something so natural it should have been there since the dawn of the internet or in an even earlier form.

These petty arguments of XT and Non XT are a bump in the road, no, much smaller, a partial blip, a phantom appearance on the scope of where bitcoin has come from, much less where it will go.
This too shall come to pass and the secret sauce in BTC will shine through as it has in every other piece of widely debated topic.

I have to think that for every two of us, here, discussing this, that there are hundreds? thousands? of others out there without a care in the world today, simply singing along, and swiping whatever device they may decide to use in making a purchase with bitcoin. Even if by some way it is restricted to an online purchase only, everything is or will be online.
I do not believe XT will or will not break or even damage bitcoin. I do not think anyone can damage bitcoin anymore than they can the internet, today. I do believe in one corporation holds all of the hash and begins dictating terms which are similar to terms on other products it would be harmed. We are a long way from that, but we must keep in mind that very thing is the ultimate goal. No one is going to say such, but complete control guarantees just that and complete price control. No matter how sincere someone sounds when they say they do not want that, and they are playing on the large manufacturer level, then if they have a board they would be fired. It is the nature of the culture.

Edit because I had to:
I also believe bitcoin can grow differently. I think it can cause less collusion and more competition. bitcoin almost makes you trust your competitor even less. I've read how game theory applies and selecting the losing option for everyone is a possibility, but define everyone in that scenario. All of the manufacturers. It is possible they eat each other for a very long time and bitcoin thrives the way it should. Which, by the way it will never all be as Satoshi envisioned and started with. It sounds great and works in fantastic ways for the lifetime movie of the week, but Satoshi and most others realize technology grows in ways no one can predict in a long term manner with accuracy. It is a guess outside a few years with something in this realm, but the political choices made either enhance or begin breaking down core fundamentals and can drive some things the wrong direction given enough time. When few have the power and control, corruption reigns supreme through the input of those who want a piece of that control and ultimately power.

[notlist3d]

Good news, worker sorting function will be back soon. This is a directly reply from Bitmain.

"Worker sorting function will be back soon.2015-10-03 22:16 GMT+08:00 Bitmain Technologies Limited "

Has there been any word on getting ad's that change language?  I really would like to be able to read the ad's on antpool.  I can kinda guess with price and picture.

But all the Chinese ad's make it hard to read a lot at this point.   I really hope they change this.