BITMAIN announces Antpool

[omega015]

I have been mining on Antpool for about two weeks now. I was using the PPS payout method but I recently switched to PPLNS. For the past 2 days my 24 hour earning average was about .07 -.08 however when I received the daily payout they were only around .045 - .05.  Can someone explain to me if this right? How exactly are these payout calculated?

Thank You!

from antpool site:

Payment Method Fee Description
PPLNS 0% Assign to you alter AntPool found a new block and the new block confirmations more than 3 (Transaction fees not paid out to miners for maintaining cost and the bonus for our engineers)
Earnings = 25 BTC * Your share count in 2.5 difficulty cycle / Total share count in 2.5 difficulty cycle

Antpool luck is below 100% lately so I'm guessing there wasn't many blocks found while you were on PPLNS.

I am assuming your new to Bitcoin just from your profile, you wont get much help at all from Antpool and you probably will have a lot of questions. I would suggest joining a strong supported pool like Kano.is or some other pool with active support in the forums. They will help no end with the questions you will have and the community will help too. I know I mention Kano.is a lot but this is because this is the one I am familiar with and have a great set of people helping out and tools like hash/block monitors, Android App and IOS app in the making (community developed tools) etc...

Good luck and happy mining.

[1715256021]

1715256021

[1715256021]

1715256021

[1715256021]

1715256021

[1715256021]

1715256021

[dcejr]

Thank you very much, I think I will be switching my pool today.

I understand Antpool payout calculations, it just didn't make sense how my 24 hour average could be almost 20% more than what my payout actually was. Very Strange.

I agree the support seems poor, I had an issue with one of my miners as soon as I received it and they still haven't answered, thankfully for this forum I was able to resolve my issues. Yet when you pay them thousands of dollars they have no problem emailing you back to recover $40 in wire transfer fees...

I have been mining on Antpool for about two weeks now. I was using the PPS payout method but I recently switched to PPLNS. For the past 2 days my 24 hour earning average was about .07 -.08 however when I received the daily payout they were only around .045 - .05.  Can someone explain to me if this right? How exactly are these payout calculated?

Thank You!

from antpool site:

Payment Method Fee Description
PPLNS 0% Assign to you alter AntPool found a new block and the new block confirmations more than 3 (Transaction fees not paid out to miners for maintaining cost and the bonus for our engineers)
Earnings = 25 BTC * Your share count in 2.5 difficulty cycle / Total share count in 2.5 difficulty cycle

Antpool luck is below 100% lately so I'm guessing there wasn't many blocks found while you were on PPLNS.

I am assuming your new to Bitcoin just from your profile, you wont get much help at all from Antpool and you probably will have a lot of questions. I would suggest joining a strong supported pool like Kano.is or some other pool with active support in the forums. They will help no end with the questions you will have and the community will help too. I know I mention Kano.is a lot but this is because this is the one I am familiar with and have a great set of people helping out and tools like hash/block monitors, Android App and IOS app in the making (community developed tools) etc...

Good luck and happy mining.

[organofcorti]

@BITMAIN

Now you're using cloudflare I can't scrape your block data anymore, and your API is opaque and unnecessarily complicated (ie I can't get it to work) for your block data API. Can't you open up either your pool stats page or make the API more user friendly? I dont think a signature and nonce should be required to view the pool stats API.

I've made an alternative API here because of this issue, although I guess it's useless to you as you were doing it through their website and not their API.

About scraping their blocks, their guide doesn't even document this AFAIK. That's too bad

hey, thanks for responding Matt. I'll check it out when I get home, hopefully I can write a new script to access it. How many of the past blocks does it record?

EDIT: just read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1309787.msg13407296#msg13407296

It seems that I'd still need to write some script to generate the signature required - any way around that?

[matt4054]

hey, thanks for responding Matt. I'll check it out when I get home, hopefully I can write a new script to access it. How many of the past blocks does it record?

EDIT: just read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1309787.msg13407296#msg13407296

It seems that I'd still need to write some script to generate the signature required - any way around that?

I'm updating my code to add a public block API that was always missing from the original API.

It will be derived from the publicly accessible data on their website, for some reason this data cannot be queried from their API at all, so I will be adding this in a few hours. Additionally it's currently script-inaccessible because of the same CF issue.

Stay tuned...

[organofcorti]

hey, thanks for responding Matt. I'll check it out when I get home, hopefully I can write a new script to access it. How many of the past blocks does it record?

EDIT: just read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1309787.msg13407296#msg13407296

It seems that I'd still need to write some script to generate the signature required - any way around that?

I'm updating my code to add a public block API that was always missing from the original API.

It will be derived from the publicly accessible data on their website, for some reason this data cannot be queried from their API at all, so I will be adding this in a few hours. Additionally it's currently script-inaccessible because of the same CF issue.

Stay tuned...

OK, so it wasn't just my coding ineptitude that prevented me from getting the block data? Ha!

I'm looking forward to seeing what you can get done.

[matt4054]

OK, so it wasn't just my coding ineptitude that prevented me from getting the block data? Ha!

No, it wasn't

I'm looking forward to seeing what you can get done.

Check out my new public AntPool block data API, hopefully you will be able to extract some nice pools stats from here and integrate them with your global pool surveys. With about 25% of the global hashrate, I guess it can improve stats quality.

Now everyone can scrape block data easily and without the hassle of authentication.

[hazenyc]

Antpool.com has been down for a number of hours on Jan 12th (after cloudfare splash)  .. block explorer shows antpool still finding blocks though..

[Matias]

Yep.  Can't acces their website.

[opentoe]

Pool wars once again. Why don't pools just let each other operate and if your pool is that good people will join your pool. The kicker is everyone will bad mouth Antpool and bitch, bitch, bitch, but drop $10k on Antminers on the other hand. Confuses me.

[Fatman3001]

Antpool has given support to Bitcoin Classic. That might have something to do with it.

Pool wars once again. Why don't pools just let each other operate and if your pool is that good people will join your pool. The kicker is everyone will bad mouth Antpool and bitch, bitch, bitch, but drop $10k on Antminers on the other hand. Confuses me.

Remind me to ask Kano where he thinks the miners on his pool comes from next time he's here to talk shit about antpool. Maybe he can go troll KnC, Bitfury and 21inc into start selling some decent gear to home miners.

[Cconvert2G36]

Antpool has given support to Bitcoin Classic. That might have something to do with it.

Just the socioeconomic majority at work right?

[Fatman3001]

Antpool has given support to Bitcoin Classic. That might have something to do with it.

Just the socioeconomic majority at work right?

They probably think they're heroes

[omega015]

Seems to be a frequent thing to DDOS Antpool (and other pools) in the past few weeks. I don't hear people complaining (often) about bitmain as a hardware company but as pool operators it seems peoples frustration is the lack of communication. People also seem to be complaining about mining empty blocks and the orphan rates.

[d57heinz]

Antpool has given support to Bitcoin Classic. That might have something to do with it.

Pool wars once again. Why don't pools just let each other operate and if your pool is that good people will join your pool. The kicker is everyone will bad mouth Antpool and bitch, bitch, bitch, but drop $10k on Antminers on the other hand. Confuses me.

Remind me to ask Kano where he thinks the miners on his pool comes from next time he's here to talk shit about antpool. Maybe he can go troll KnC, Bitfury and 21inc into start selling some decent gear to home miners.

Trust me when i tell you that if there were better options the market would show you what we thought of Bitmaintech!

The responsible Bitcoin community has about had it up to here with bitmain pricing schemes(by this i mean wait to turn on your mega farm til after you got top dollar for miners), piss poor support, mining empty blocks, spv mining, lagging block propagation, hell they don't even answer questions on their own forum Bitmaintalk!  No matter how much good you have done for bitcoin in the past, it can all easily be forgotten with what they are currently up to..   I for one think there is plenty of hash on the network for its own security.. Bitmain selling miners as a front to cover the fact that its themselves growing far bigger in market share than any one entity should have in bitcoin.. 25 % id say thats getting a bit greedy(who knows what they hide at other pools such as f2pool) not to mention the fact that 71 % of all hash is in china and growing!  im sure there is a threshold on what the community is comfortable with i for one know there is for me.. antpool/Bitmain/China/f2pool is pushing this limit on a daily basis..

Here's a little quote from their rma page.  "Special note when you fill the waybill:

Make sure to describe it as "Warranty part" .

The declared value is according to the quantity of defective parts you shipped back ,we suggest you declare $5-20 for one board.

if the declare value above the $45 on one parcel ,we’ll have custom issues ,and you need to cover the Chinese import tax and the storage charges due to the custom issues ."

Gives ya a good idea just what the parts are worth and how bad they f&^% us when they send that garbage to us.  I love how they want us to lie to customs on the value of the board/s when its getting shipped to them   Let me ask you this.. if it gets lost in transit. then what will you get for a refund.. Exactly what you declared on value of the item.. last i checked you cant buy those parts used let alone new at 5 - 20 per board anywhere.  And on top of it being a supposed warranty they get to put the screws to you on import tax and storage if you decide to declare it with the correct value.  Doesn't sound like they have much confidence in the products they send out to me.  IF they did then it would be free to rma a miner under warranty.  Im sure there are many other complaints this is just all that ive witnessed in the short period of time ive been in bitcoin.

Best Regards
d57heinz

[organofcorti]

OK, so it wasn't just my coding ineptitude that prevented me from getting the block data? Ha!

No, it wasn't

I'm looking forward to seeing what you can get done.

Check out my new public AntPool block data API, hopefully you will be able to extract some nice pools stats from here and integrate them with your global pool surveys. With about 25% of the global hashrate, I guess it can improve stats quality.

Now everyone can scrape block data easily and without the hassle of authentication.

Thanks Matt, works great. Used it for this post: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2016/01/january-10th-2016-mining-pool-statistics.html

[Matias]

I'm currently using Stratum protocol and PPLNS. I noticed that with P2P protocol Antpool would also pay Tx Fee to miners.

So would I earn more in P2P?

[matt4054]

I'm currently using Stratum protocol and PPLNS. I noticed that with P2P protocol Antpool would also pay Tx Fee to miners.

So would I earn more in P2P?

I don't think so. The P2Pool implementation of AntPool is so obscure that any use of it should be treated experimental at best. If earnings matter to you, then you should probably stay on the safe side with the regular servers.

As ususal, it would also be nice if AntPool/BITMAIN cared to communicate about it, updates, roadmap etc.

[Matias]

thank you

[p3yot33at3r]

More precisely:

The truth is, p2p.antpool has never worked - & even if it did, it is completely separate from the original p2pool & does not support the p2pool framework in any way, shape or form. Bitmain have refused to change their OP despite being requested to do so on many occasions, resulting in many miners thinking that they are joining p2pool, when in fact they are mining at antpool instead. Bitmain/antpool are deliberately deceiving miners who wish to use the real p2pool network.

It is bad enough that antpool are SPV mining empty blocks & contributing nothing to the Bitcoin network, but the fact that they are openly lying to the community about their support for p2pool (their firmware doesn't even support p2pool) goes against all ethical standards - let alone forum rules.

@ forum moderators: Please remove the false & misleading references to p2pool from the Bitmain/antpool OP so that users who wish to use p2pool are not fooled into thinking they are using the p2pool network when they are in fact using antpools SPV mining pool. This will not only stop any future confusion, but will also stop antpool from "stealing" miners from the real p2pool network.

Thanks 

[Matias]

Has rate has suddenly dropped from 220 to 180.