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March 25, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
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Why?  has it reverted back to being a Chinese B&D porn site?
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March 25, 2015, 03:20:52 PM
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Ok. Am i reading this right? Is he blaming crypto for the failure of Paycoin? So its not all his failed promises or poor management skills or down right lies that did it?  Huh

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It sounds like he's blaming the media for harming the crypto world.

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March 25, 2015, 03:22:53 PM
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It's obviously the media's fault. If they weren't so busy spreading so much fud, there wouldn't have been such a run on paybase causing 100 million dollar floor to evaporate in seconds.

If no one ever said anything about GAW, no one would have ever tried to sell their coins ever and the price would be at least $100 per coin now. Damn Fudsters, ruined everything.
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March 25, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
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One thing along these lines that could be done relatively cheap would be to just maintain a massive sell wall to prevent re-pumps after dumps. Right now it is a breeze to spend a couple BTC to regain the lost price after sucking up a massive amount of Buy Bids with a huge dump. And then the brainwashed believers follow the pie-eyed piper back up to the new "price" with new Buy Bids. Over and over. I keep thinking that they have to figure it out and/or run out of Buy money at some point, but that has not happened yet.
That's an option.  Cool

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You can't dump a coin by spending money; that just transfers your money to the other participants in the market. If you buy xpy and then sell it for lower, you're giving out free btc to whoever's on the other side. Learn some basic economics.

You could buy now and dump if it goes up, but that wouldn't cost money. If your plan is to sell when lower, you're simply paying other people who are doing the reverse, which should raise the price in the end compared to what it would be otherwise.

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March 25, 2015, 03:26:51 PM
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Did Homero quit paying the bill on btc.com?

Now that you mention it... domain registration changed yesterday. Not sure if that means anything.
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March 25, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
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Did Homero quit paying the bill on btc.com?

Now that you mention it... domain registration changed yesterday. Not sure if that means anything.

Not sure either, but the nameserver archive can be seen at http://whoisrequest.org/history/btc.com

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March 25, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
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THis is supposedly what, the third law firm they've "engaged"?  And by "engaged" does he mean, called on the phone?  Walked by their building?  Looked them up in Google?  Not "hired", or "retained", but "engaged".  

That was exactly my thought. He emailed them asking for their rates for a specific kind of representation or analysis. They replied.

Engaged.

After a first meeting, lawyers often send engagement letters to the clients outlining the scope of the work and the fees based on the agreement formulated in the first meeting. Engagement letters sometimes require a prospective client to sign and return it (making a contract for legal services).  A post-first meeting agreement, whether written or oral, is what I think of when I think of engaging a law firm or a lawyer. What it means here is a bit of a black box - JG has a way with words, you know.
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March 25, 2015, 04:32:56 PM
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THis is supposedly what, the third law firm they've "engaged"?  And by "engaged" does he mean, called on the phone?  Walked by their building?  Looked them up in Google?  Not "hired", or "retained", but "engaged". 

That was exactly my thought. He emailed them asking for their rates for a specific kind of representation or analysis. They replied.

Engaged.

After a first meeting, lawyers often send engagement letters to the clients outlining the scope of the work and the fees based on the agreement formulated in the first meeting. Engagement letters sometimes require a prospective client to sign and return it (making a contract for legal services).  A post-first meeting agreement, whether written or oral, is what I think of when I think of engaging a law firm or a lawyer. What it means here is a bit of a black box - JG has a way with words, you know.

Well he has no clue what escrow means

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March 25, 2015, 05:37:06 PM
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THis is supposedly what, the third law firm they've "engaged"?  And by "engaged" does he mean, called on the phone?  Walked by their building?  Looked them up in Google?  Not "hired", or "retained", but "engaged".  

That was exactly my thought. He emailed them asking for their rates for a specific kind of representation or analysis. They replied.

Engaged.


Jesus Christ I have only just noticed the 3 guys on the bottom right.  Was this a live video chat?  Was he actually video chatting like that??
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March 25, 2015, 05:44:40 PM
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THis is supposedly what, the third law firm they've "engaged"?  And by "engaged" does he mean, called on the phone?  Walked by their building?  Looked them up in Google?  Not "hired", or "retained", but "engaged".  

That was exactly my thought. He emailed them asking for their rates for a specific kind of representation or analysis. They replied.

Engaged.


Jesus Christ I have only just noticed the 3 guys on the bottom right.  Was this a live video chat?  Was he actually video chatting like that??

Pretty sure that was photo shopped into an existing image from one of the public chats.

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March 25, 2015, 05:55:54 PM
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As usual ikeboy is WRONG. That picture was from one of the Homero email leaks. If it was shopped, it means that Homero shopped it.

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March 25, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
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http://www.badbitcoin.org/gaw.htm

"previously highly regarded supplier"

My sides are in orbit.

I've seen a lot of crazy shit in my time on these forums, but these Paycoiners and Garza Worshippers are quite possibly the most unbalanced, misguided, and ignorant marks ever.

How can they not realize it's a scam yet ?! ($20 floor ? puh-leeze...)

It's hard not to feel sorry for them.

Good grief.

Anyway we can add him to a bad twitter list or something?
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March 25, 2015, 06:00:44 PM
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Ok. Am i reading this right? Is he blaming crypto for the failure of Paycoin? So its not all his failed promises or poor management skills or down right lies that did it?  Huh

and who is "we"?



https://i.imgur.com/ApqBI0Y.jpg

It sounds like he's blaming the media for harming the crypto world.

looks like a bunch of you mother fuckers goona get a good bitch slapping pretty soon. bitpop you might have to get off you fat ass and do some running. can you make it 25 yards?...
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March 25, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
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looks like a bunch of you mother fuckers goona get a good bitch slapping pretty soon. bitpop you might have to get off you fat ass and do some running. can you make it 25 yards?...

Nice first post. Welcome.
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March 25, 2015, 06:11:23 PM
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LOL, more sensationalist speak from Homero.  How many times has this guy switched attorneys?  I wonder if all the sheep understand that they are paying for this "top legal firm in the world" from his dumps of XPY, if it exists at all.  Nobody in their right mind says this stuff except to get a reaction from the people he is writing it to, notice he posts this in his own forum.  Always trying to frame it as "us vs them (evildoers, fudsters)".
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March 25, 2015, 06:21:38 PM
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looks like a bunch of you mother fuckers goona get a good bitch slapping pretty soon. bitpop you might have to get off you fat ass and do some running. can you make it 25 yards?...
and you are?
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March 25, 2015, 06:25:13 PM
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looks like a bunch of you mother fuckers goona get a good bitch slapping pretty soon. bitpop you might have to get off you fat ass and do some running. can you make it 25 yards?...

Nice first post. Welcome.
You'd best get into running shape too suchmoon. Hammer time for all you assholes.
Our position regarding GAW and Paycoin. These unsupported "indisputable facts" versus the reality.

There has been a very vocal campaign against the previously highly regarded supplier, GAW Miners, and going even further targeting their CEO Josh Garza, and has also questioned our position on these matters. In response to this, I am issuing the following unambiguous statement.

We do not share the opinion that this operation,or Mr Garza are intending to defraud, or have defrauded any investor in Hashlets, Hashstakers, Paycoin XPY, or any other product or service supplied by GAW or it's companies. We are not associated with these companies beyond personal & private holdings of Hashstakers, Zen Hashlets and XPY Paycoin, and are not paid by these companies.
They are accused of reneging on contracts, there is no evidence of this. Reneging on promises. There were never price promises, beyond individual expectation of market value, and the anticipated $20 floor, a concept since reformed into the honours program, which whilst indefinitely delayed, pending the resolving of legal issues, is still very much active. Some proposed features have been shelved, delayed, or abandoned due to direct effects of the current hate campaign, and other features have since been proposed, some are better.
Leaked emails, widely circulated, have been obtained illegally and are legally confidential. They must be disregarded due to their origin being from a hacked external, and uncredited anonymous source. The hacking of privileged company resources also indicates that the hacker may easily have fabricated these emails using hijacked services, or had physical access to those resources.

Neither GAW, Zencloud or any other GAW operation, has at this time, directly or indirectly defrauded anybody regarding the conversion to hashstakers and XPY. This was always a choice, freely chosen by the individual.
The campaign against GAW is a phenomenon that is unprecedented, and has become almost a cult. The vehemence of these detractors - the majority of whom are non investors - has had a visible effect on trust and wider adoption of this XPY. This campaign was fuelled by a core few individuals, would be members of a kind of informal 'old guard' of Crypto. It is an indefensible action.
We cannot accept any of these third party, sometimes absurd allegations as hard evidence, neither can anybody else who does not have unrestricted access to confidential original company accounts, minutes of meetings and internal and external correspondence. Therefore, were we to conclude that there was a scam going on, it would be pure conjecture, and that is morally and professionally irresponsible, and would leave us fairly justly liable, to prosecution for libellous actions. The majority of the supposed evidence so far,  has no covenance and in some cases is even unknown of by the correspondents. Being unverifiable non original data, it is simply not worthy of consideration for any practical purpose.
GAW are also a registered company, with a strong track record. We have no desire to participate in any clearly orchestrated campaign against a hard working company.

Where we list other registered companies, it is always after confirming beyond doubt, that the company is using faked covenance, or is non-existent. We aren't here to investigate legal entities, already subject to outside audit.

I will finish by saying that personally, I am pretty adept at spotting a fraud. I do not believe that any deliberate attempt is being made to defraud anybody by Josh Garza. I do believe that the real damage being done to investors is due to this core group of 'haters' who resent this innovation and this rightly perceived threat to their own interests, and as such are prepared to originate and fuel this disinformation, not excluding illegally obtaining discreditable and confidential correspondence.

This is not intended as investment advice.

 

 

Ultimately, there will be a definitive outcome to this ongoing debacle. We'd like to come out of it with our integrity intact as well.

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March 25, 2015, 06:25:51 PM
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looks like a bunch of you mother fuckers goona get a good bitch slapping pretty soon. bitpop you might have to get off you fat ass and do some running. can you make it 25 yards?...

Have you seen this bitpop?  You need to lawyer up  Cheesy Cheesy
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Glad i brought beer today ....... this goin be fun
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March 25, 2015, 06:31:12 PM
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looks like a bunch of you mother fuckers goona get a good bitch slapping pretty soon. bitpop you might have to get off you fat ass and do some running. can you make it 25 yards?...

Nice first post. Welcome.
You'd best get into running shape too suchmoon. Hammer time for all you assholes.
Our position regarding GAW and Paycoin. These unsupported "indisputable facts" versus the reality.

There has been a very vocal campaign against the previously highly regarded supplier, GAW Miners, and going even further targeting their CEO Josh Garza, and has also questioned our position on these matters. In response to this, I am issuing the following unambiguous statement.

We do not share the opinion that this operation,or Mr Garza are intending to defraud, or have defrauded any investor in Hashlets, Hashstakers, Paycoin XPY, or any other product or service supplied by GAW or it's companies. We are not associated with these companies beyond personal & private holdings of Hashstakers, Zen Hashlets and XPY Paycoin, and are not paid by these companies.
They are accused of reneging on contracts, there is no evidence of this. Reneging on promises. There were never price promises, beyond individual expectation of market value, and the anticipated $20 floor, a concept since reformed into the honours program, which whilst indefinitely delayed, pending the resolving of legal issues, is still very much active. Some proposed features have been shelved, delayed, or abandoned due to direct effects of the current hate campaign, and other features have since been proposed, some are better.
Leaked emails, widely circulated, have been obtained illegally and are legally confidential. They must be disregarded due to their origin being from a hacked external, and uncredited anonymous source. The hacking of privileged company resources also indicates that the hacker may easily have fabricated these emails using hijacked services, or had physical access to those resources.

Neither GAW, Zencloud or any other GAW operation, has at this time, directly or indirectly defrauded anybody regarding the conversion to hashstakers and XPY. This was always a choice, freely chosen by the individual.
The campaign against GAW is a phenomenon that is unprecedented, and has become almost a cult. The vehemence of these detractors - the majority of whom are non investors - has had a visible effect on trust and wider adoption of this XPY. This campaign was fuelled by a core few individuals, would be members of a kind of informal 'old guard' of Crypto. It is an indefensible action.
We cannot accept any of these third party, sometimes absurd allegations as hard evidence, neither can anybody else who does not have unrestricted access to confidential original company accounts, minutes of meetings and internal and external correspondence. Therefore, were we to conclude that there was a scam going on, it would be pure conjecture, and that is morally and professionally irresponsible, and would leave us fairly justly liable, to prosecution for libellous actions. The majority of the supposed evidence so far,  has no covenance and in some cases is even unknown of by the correspondents. Being unverifiable non original data, it is simply not worthy of consideration for any practical purpose.
GAW are also a registered company, with a strong track record. We have no desire to participate in any clearly orchestrated campaign against a hard working company.

Where we list other registered companies, it is always after confirming beyond doubt, that the company is using faked covenance, or is non-existent. We aren't here to investigate legal entities, already subject to outside audit.

I will finish by saying that personally, I am pretty adept at spotting a fraud. I do not believe that any deliberate attempt is being made to defraud anybody by Josh Garza. I do believe that the real damage being done to investors is due to this core group of 'haters' who resent this innovation and this rightly perceived threat to their own interests, and as such are prepared to originate and fuel this disinformation, not excluding illegally obtaining discreditable and confidential correspondence.

This is not intended as investment advice.

 

 

Ultimately, there will be a definitive outcome to this ongoing debacle. We'd like to come out of it with our integrity intact as well.

ViK. Editor & Project Lead. March 24th 2015

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