Bitcoin Forum
June 27, 2024, 08:46:16 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 ... 1330 1331 1332 1333 1334 1335 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1343 1344 1345 1346 1347 1348 1349 1350 1351 1352 1353 1354 1355 1356 1357 1358 1359 1360 1361 1362 1363 1364 1365 1366 1367 1368 1369 1370 1371 1372 1373 1374 1375 1376 1377 1378 1379 [1380] 1381 1382 1383 1384 1385 1386 1387 1388 1389 1390 1391 1392 1393 1394 1395 1396 1397 1398 1399 1400 1401 1402 1403 1404 1405 1406 1407 1408 1409 1410 1411 1412 1413 1414 1415 1416 1417 1418 1419 1420 1421 1422 1423 1424 1425 1426 1427 1428 1429 1430 ... 2458 »
  Print  
Author Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)  (Read 3377004 times)
coinits
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1582
Merit: 1019


011110000110110101110010


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:07:22 PM
 #27581

Brilliant Blockchain detective work, as usual Paul Revere.

Thanks for the ego boost my friend, but I am only someone with a basic knowledge of this stuff that has the patience to click through all of this to trace things. Speaking of which, I decided to try to trace backwards from the associated groups of 30,000-40,000XPY in that 2,100,000XPY block. Something I can say for sure is that all of those groups in that block (accounting for ~90% of the block) are controlled by the same person, and ALL of them are being endlessly shuffled, with about every 10th transaction sending a small amount to an exchange. I chose one that showed some being siphoned off and going directly to Bittrex:

Tracing backwards this group sends small amounts to accumulator addresses (which link all of these groups together) and about every 10th transaction some goes to one of the exchanges:





I gave up counting shuffle transactions at 200, I think I am about 500 back now. Here is where I currently have traced this group backwards to, this being on the 27th: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?474669.htm The group has 42,571 XPY in it at this point, so ~11,000 XPY have been siphoned off from this point forward, about ~1,000 going directly to exchanges, and the rest going to accumulator addresses, some growing real large, others being reshuffled and sent to exchanges already. I have a lunch to cook, and then I will try to find the source of this ~42,000 XPY group. Any guesses as to where this will lead? Roll Eyes

A bunch of small transactions to exchanges is likely people withdrawing from either zencloud or paybase.

Wrong as usual, imbecile GAW shill, ikeboy. These groups of XPY are being shuffled in and out of hundreds and hundreds of addresses that are used exactly once and then never again. The amounts siphoned off and NOT sent directly to exchanges are all directly linked to the rest of the huge amount of XPY being laundered in various accumulator addresses. The small amounts sent to exchanges are taken directly from the large group, most of them being extremely small amounts, many being less than 1 XPY. This is precisely what your hero Homero described as "mixing" to hide the origin of coins less than a week ago.

Why does that imply it isn't people withdrawing? Sending to a single change address that never gets used again is standard behavior for wallets.

(And Josh isn't my "hero", however many times you want to claim he is.)

Look idiot. He tracked the movement of the fraudulent dumpage of coins. It is not the GAWTARDS. It is the FRAUDSTERS. You GAWTARD fucks are a lost cause. He is showing the fraud pipeline to the sane people. Now shut the fuck up before you show us how much stupid is left in you to leak out!

Jump you fuckers! | The thing about smart motherfuckers is they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers. | My sig space for rent for 0.01 btc per week.
truckinusa
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 534
Merit: 500



View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:13:59 PM
 #27582

More Josh/Jonah babble about NDAs shared by PRODIGI on GH:



I called this individual out and others talking about NDAs on GH and I got quietly told to go away.


bitJob                       ▄▄▄██████▄▄▄
                ▄▄▄▄██████████████████▄▄▄▄
        ▄▄▄▄██████████████████████████████████▄▄▄▄
  ▄▄▄████████████████████████████████████████████████▄▄▄
██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
  ▀▀██████████████████████████████████████████████████▀▀
      ▀▀█████████████████████████████████████████████
         ████████████████████████████████████████  ██
         ████████████████████████████████████████  ██
         ████████████████████████████████████████  ██
         ████████████████████████████████████████  ██
         ████████████████████████████████████████  ██
         ████████████████████████████████████████  ██
         ▀██████████████████████████████████████▀  ██
          ▀▀██████████████████████████████████▀▀  ████
                                                 ▄████▄
                                                ▀▀████▀▀
IIII
vObh0n]6W
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:14:40 PM
 #27583

Brilliant Blockchain detective work, as usual Paul Revere.

Thanks for the ego boost my friend, but I am only someone with a basic knowledge of this stuff that has the patience to click through all of this to trace things. Speaking of which, I decided to try to trace backwards from the associated groups of 30,000-40,000XPY in that 2,100,000XPY block. Something I can say for sure is that all of those groups in that block (accounting for ~90% of the block) are controlled by the same person, and ALL of them are being endlessly shuffled, with about every 10th transaction sending a small amount to an exchange. I chose one that showed some being siphoned off and going directly to Bittrex:

Tracing backwards this group sends small amounts to accumulator addresses (which link all of these groups together) and about every 10th transaction some goes to one of the exchanges:





I gave up counting shuffle transactions at 200, I think I am about 500 back now. Here is where I currently have traced this group backwards to, this being on the 27th: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?474669.htm The group has 42,571 XPY in it at this point, so ~11,000 XPY have been siphoned off from this point forward, about ~1,000 going directly to exchanges, and the rest going to accumulator addresses, some growing real large, others being reshuffled and sent to exchanges already. I have a lunch to cook, and then I will try to find the source of this ~42,000 XPY group. Any guesses as to where this will lead? Roll Eyes

A bunch of small transactions to exchanges is likely people withdrawing from either zencloud or paybase.

Wrong as usual, imbecile GAW shill, ikeboy. These groups of XPY are being shuffled in and out of hundreds and hundreds of addresses that are used exactly once and then never again. The amounts siphoned off and NOT sent directly to exchanges are all directly linked to the rest of the huge amount of XPY being laundered in various accumulator addresses. The small amounts sent to exchanges are taken directly from the large group, most of them being extremely small amounts, many being less than 1 XPY. This is precisely what your hero Homero described as "mixing" to hide the origin of coins less than a week ago.

Why does that imply it isn't people withdrawing? Sending to a single change address that never gets used again is standard behavior for wallets.

(And Josh isn't my "hero", however many times you want to claim he is.)

Look idiot. He tracked the movement of the fraudulent dumpage of coins. It is not the GAWTARDS. It is the FRAUDSTERS. You GAWTARD fucks are a lost cause. He is showing the fraud pipeline to the sane people. Now shut the fuck up before you show us how much stupid is left in you to leak out!


Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

Send tips here 1d5F2nmmRSDbCDfgBq1yrLQUooSprdAn4
Paul Revere
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 406
Merit: 260


The Scamcoats are coming!


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:17:09 PM
 #27584

Sometimes it is hard to tell if ikeboy really is that stupid or is pretending just to continue to shill for his hero Homero. When you see an extremely large amount of coins (~2,000,000) being endlessly bounced through hundreds of brand new addresses that are all used exactly once, with small amounts being sent to exchanges or to accumulator addresses that are ALL connected to eachother by inputs and outputs (if these were XPY holders wallets they would not all be controlled by the same person), it is obvious to most that these coins are being mixed, or "laundered", but ikeboy wants to pretend that this is standard operating procedure. Good for you, ikeboy, have fun in your delusion, but even your hero Homero the fraudster says this is coin mixing.

All of my posts are simply statements of my own personal opinions based on available information and pondering what might be possible considering human nature, with the goal of finding truth and preventing fraud. Please look at all of the facts and theories and put your thinking cap on to draw your own conclusions. If you feel that I have made a false statement or have been unnecessarily derogatory, I encourage you to please point it out, and if proven correct and/or reasonable I will remedy it. ~ Paul Revere
capsqrl
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 444
Merit: 250



View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:18:53 PM
 #27585

So I just want to try & get into this "elite club" and see how it works. If I'd order, and get the goods, great. If not, fine with me.
I think that would be problematic. If I were a scammer running CoinStand, I would say sure, mr. journalist, here's an account for you. And then I'd make damn sure you got everything you ordered, same-day delivery and heck, I'd include a small chocolate in the package just for good measure. I would make sure you were overwhelmingly impressed. It would literally be bribing you into writing a positive review. It wouldn't cost me more than a few thousand dollars anyway. The review comes out, Paycoin price shoots to the moon, and I cash out my premine.

You probably wouldn't be such a tool, however. You'd write about how you got the goods but that you're aware that Josh might have given you super-high priority. You would probably even write about the chocolate and how you thought that was over the top and actually made you more suspicious. You would probably donate the goods you received to charity just to lessen the "he got bribed" accusations. But it would still be a positive review, and as a scammer, that's great for me. I just need the price higher, so i need journalists on my side, and CryptoCoinsNews aren't onboard anymore.

So I still have to say that I cannot imagine a good outcome of your post. But again, not a journalist.

Norsk Bitcoin-bruker? Kom til /r/BitcoinNO på reddit!
coinits
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1582
Merit: 1019


011110000110110101110010


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:19:41 PM
 #27586

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

Jump you fuckers! | The thing about smart motherfuckers is they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers. | My sig space for rent for 0.01 btc per week.
vObh0n]6W
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:23:45 PM
 #27587

Sometimes it is hard to tell if ikeboy really is that stupid or is pretending just to continue to shill for his hero Homero. When you see an extremely large amount of coins (~2,000,000) being endlessly bounced through hundreds of brand new addresses that are all used exactly once, with small amounts being sent to exchanges or to accumulator addresses that are ALL connected to eachother by inputs and outputs, it is obvious to most that these coins are being mixed, or "laundered", but ikeboy wants to pretend that this is standard operating procedure. Good for you, ikeboy, have fun in your delusion, but even your hero Homero the fraudster says this is coin mixing.

The 2 million coins were in a block that took 45 minutes to mine, which usually contains more transactions than average. It's not significantly more than the amount that moves in other periods of the same length.

Can you explain why this can't be a single wallet that's constantly paying off withdrawals? That would look pretty much exactly like this.

If you think it would look different, can you identify the actual hot wallet paybase uses and show the difference in the pattern?

Send tips here 1d5F2nmmRSDbCDfgBq1yrLQUooSprdAn4
wpstudio
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 660
Merit: 500


View Profile WWW
March 29, 2015, 07:24:45 PM
 #27588

More Josh/Jonah babble about NDAs shared by PRODIGI on GH:


I called this individual out and others talking about NDAs on GH and I got quietly told to go away.



You got called out because you called her a 'retard'.  Something no one should ever call anyone much less to the mother of a special needs child.
vObh0n]6W
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:29:00 PM
 #27589

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

Send tips here 1d5F2nmmRSDbCDfgBq1yrLQUooSprdAn4
Paul Revere
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 406
Merit: 260


The Scamcoats are coming!


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
 #27590

Sometimes it is hard to tell if ikeboy really is that stupid or is pretending just to continue to shill for his hero Homero. When you see an extremely large amount of coins (~2,000,000) being endlessly bounced through hundreds of brand new addresses that are all used exactly once, with small amounts being sent to exchanges or to accumulator addresses that are ALL connected to eachother by inputs and outputs, it is obvious to most that these coins are being mixed, or "laundered", but ikeboy wants to pretend that this is standard operating procedure. Good for you, ikeboy, have fun in your delusion, but even your hero Homero the fraudster says this is coin mixing.

The 2 million coins were in a block that took 45 minutes to mine, which usually contains more transactions than average. It's not significantly more than the amount that moves in other periods of the same length.

Can you explain why this can't be a single wallet that's constantly paying off withdrawals? That would look pretty much exactly like this.

If you think it would look different, can you identify the actual hot wallet paybase uses and show the difference in the pattern?

YES, for the hundredth fucking time: The amounts that are siphoned off go to one of two places, in the THOUSANDS of transactions of these groups I have checked. Literally thousands.
A: They go directly to exchanges.
B: They go to accumulator addresses that are all linked to each other and are controlled by the same person.

Where they NEVER go is to Joe XPY holder's wallet. NEVER. If these were "withdrawals" MOST of them would go to long established wallets and addresses, and NONE of them do.EVER. Period. End of fucking story. Deal with it.

Edit to add: Thank you for making sure this discussion climbs high on the search engine rankings by repeating the same thing over and over so more people get to see it.

All of my posts are simply statements of my own personal opinions based on available information and pondering what might be possible considering human nature, with the goal of finding truth and preventing fraud. Please look at all of the facts and theories and put your thinking cap on to draw your own conclusions. If you feel that I have made a false statement or have been unnecessarily derogatory, I encourage you to please point it out, and if proven correct and/or reasonable I will remedy it. ~ Paul Revere
suchmoon (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3710
Merit: 8990


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
March 29, 2015, 07:34:01 PM
 #27591

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

It's funny how ikeboy continues to ignore the elephant in the room, which is stake proceeds going directly to exchanges, and the incessant mixing of the coins, and other PR's findings. Why the fuck would someone mix customers' coins? Those should be sitting in a cold wallet.

More importantly - of course PR and other blockchain diggers can get some things wrong due to the deliberately obfuscated nature of the whole situation. So why wouldn't GAW come out with signed messages and shut the trolls up and send XPY price to the moon?

Keep pouncing on them PR.

ikeboy, take a few XPY, deposit them to Zen/paybase/whatever, withdraw them - this will give you an insight into where the hot/cold wallets could be. Post your findings here.

I tracked a few paybase withdrawals and as far as could see they did not end up with the amount that's being mixed around, so I have a reasonable doubt that it could be customers' coins there. Everyone is welcome to do the same thing.
jibble
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 924
Merit: 1000


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:34:53 PM
 #27592

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

I would have to agree with the last lot of photos , it looks like a standard hot wallet with multiple addresses belonging to an exchange , the top one is withdrawal, the second is the remaining coins in that wallet going back to bittrex or paybase or whatever

But there are other screenshots Paul has provided that are correct , there is a clear trail of funds getting skimmed off the top of the prime controllers  whenever they collect massive amounts of coins and they are getting deposited into exchanges

but the long most recent list of transactions shown can be explained by an exchanges hot wallet functioning normally
coinits
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1582
Merit: 1019


011110000110110101110010


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:35:03 PM
 #27593

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

You are the weakest link. Goodbye. Set your phasers to ignore. This guy is a shill and a pretty fucking stupid one at that.

Jump you fuckers! | The thing about smart motherfuckers is they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers. | My sig space for rent for 0.01 btc per week.
coinits
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1582
Merit: 1019


011110000110110101110010


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:36:07 PM
 #27594

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

I would have to agree with the last lot of photos , it looks like a standard hot wallet with multiple addresses belonging to an exchange , the top one is withdrawal, the second is the remaining coins in that wallet going back to bittrex or paybase or whatever

But there are other screenshots Paul has provided that are correct , there is a clear trail of funds getting skimmed off the top of the prime controllers  whenever they collect massive amounts of coins and they are getting deposited into exchanges

but the long most recent list of transactions shown can be explained by an exchanges hot wallet functioning normally

That theory was dismissed as bullshit. Please read before quoting a shill full of stupid.

Jump you fuckers! | The thing about smart motherfuckers is they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers. | My sig space for rent for 0.01 btc per week.
vObh0n]6W
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:38:57 PM
 #27595

Sometimes it is hard to tell if ikeboy really is that stupid or is pretending just to continue to shill for his hero Homero. When you see an extremely large amount of coins (~2,000,000) being endlessly bounced through hundreds of brand new addresses that are all used exactly once, with small amounts being sent to exchanges or to accumulator addresses that are ALL connected to eachother by inputs and outputs, it is obvious to most that these coins are being mixed, or "laundered", but ikeboy wants to pretend that this is standard operating procedure. Good for you, ikeboy, have fun in your delusion, but even your hero Homero the fraudster says this is coin mixing.

The 2 million coins were in a block that took 45 minutes to mine, which usually contains more transactions than average. It's not significantly more than the amount that moves in other periods of the same length.

Can you explain why this can't be a single wallet that's constantly paying off withdrawals? That would look pretty much exactly like this.

If you think it would look different, can you identify the actual hot wallet paybase uses and show the difference in the pattern?

YES, for the hundredth fucking time: The amounts that are siphoned off go to one of two places, in the THOUSANDS of transactions of these groups I have checked. Literally thousands.
A: They go directly to exchanges.
B: They go to accumulator addresses.

Where they NEVER go is to Joe XPY holder's wallet. NEVER. If these were "withdrawals" MOST of them would go to long established wallets and addresses, and NONE of them do.EVER. Period. End of fucking story. Deal with it.



Some go to addresses previously used, I saw at least 3 myself. Here's one that was first used one Jan 1: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PKo4M96e5tDQTBfyx8PckaBkivz6Qx55Ms.htm

It's 2 later in the chain you linked above at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?474669.htm

Send tips here 1d5F2nmmRSDbCDfgBq1yrLQUooSprdAn4
jibble
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 924
Merit: 1000


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:39:33 PM
 #27596

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

I would have to agree with the last lot of photos , it looks like a standard hot wallet with multiple addresses belonging to an exchange , the top one is withdrawal, the second is the remaining coins in that wallet going back to bittrex or paybase or whatever

But there are other screenshots Paul has provided that are correct , there is a clear trail of funds getting skimmed off the top of the prime controllers  whenever they collect massive amounts of coins and they are getting deposited into exchanges

but the long most recent list of transactions shown can be explained by an exchanges hot wallet functioning normally

That theory was dismissed as bullshit. Please read before quoting a shill full of stupid.

I believe GAW is a massive useless pile of steaming shit and Josh is a useless cunt , What makes people believe someone who has systematically failed for 3 months straight is suddenly gonna pull some magic out of his ass and suddenly deliver products in quick succession.


But from those last screenshots provided, that is exactly how every single hot wallet for every single coin, using every single currency works when withdrawing funds .

now i would say its completely crazy having such a constant and frequent number popping up so often , but looking at the data on the block chain , seeing 500 other crypto currencies behaving in the same way............
jimmothy
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 770
Merit: 509



View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
 #27597

More Josh/Jonah babble about NDAs shared by PRODIGI on GH:


I called this individual out and others talking about NDAs on GH and I got quietly told to go away.



You got called out because you called her a 'retard'.  Something no one should ever call anyone much less to the mother of a special needs child.

That's retarded.

Calling someone a retard is no different than calling them stupid/an idiot/a paycoiner, but for some strange reason retards get really offended by the word retard.

It's only a matter of time before retards are too offended by the phrase "special needs" and have it changed to something nicer like "alternatively paced learners".
vObh0n]6W
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:43:43 PM
 #27598

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

I would have to agree with the last lot of photos , it looks like a standard hot wallet with multiple addresses belonging to an exchange , the top one is withdrawal, the second is the remaining coins in that wallet going back to bittrex or paybase or whatever

But there are other screenshots Paul has provided that are correct , there is a clear trail of funds getting skimmed off the top of the prime controllers  whenever they collect massive amounts of coins and they are getting deposited into exchanges

but the long most recent list of transactions shown can be explained by an exchanges hot wallet functioning normally

That's pretty much correct. I was only saying that the current stuff could be hot wallet withdrawals, not that there wasn't stakes to exchanges.

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

It's funny how ikeboy continues to ignore the elephant in the room, which is stake proceeds going directly to exchanges, and the incessant mixing of the coins, and other PR's findings. Why the fuck would someone mix customers' coins? Those should be sitting in a cold wallet.

More importantly - of course PR and other blockchain diggers can get some things wrong due to the deliberately obfuscated nature of the whole situation. So why wouldn't GAW come out with signed messages and shut the trolls up and send XPY price to the moon?

Keep pouncing on them PR.

ikeboy, take a few XPY, deposit them to Zen/paybase/whatever, withdraw them - this will give you an insight into where the hot/cold wallets could be. Post your findings here.

I tracked a few paybase withdrawals and as far as could see they did not end up with the amount that's being mixed around, so I have a reasonable doubt that it could be customers' coins there. Everyone is welcome to do the same thing.

It wasn't brought up in this discussion by anyone yet, so I didn't mention it. The staking coins direct to exchange (in large amount, not 10 xpy here and there) is very strong evidence.

I'll try some deposits and withdrawals and post here.

Send tips here 1d5F2nmmRSDbCDfgBq1yrLQUooSprdAn4
suchmoon (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3710
Merit: 8990


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
March 29, 2015, 07:45:04 PM
 #27599

ikeboy, whatever you posted there AFTER my previous post, you need to stop now.

Do what I suggested, come back with some actual data you want to share, otherwise just stop stirring shit up. Nobody cares about your sandbox squabbles.

Oh, and while you're at it - I'm still waiting for your in-depth report on GAW's e-mails that you were pretending didn't exist not long ago.
vObh0n]6W
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 210
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 29, 2015, 07:45:26 PM
 #27600

Again, sending small amounts to exchanges is consistent with people withdrawing from Paybase. Why do you think it isn't people who had funds on paybase? Asserting that you are right doesn't make you right, and neither does insulting people. You've offered zero arguments to support the claim that it's impossible for these transactions to be withdrawals from paybase.

I don't have to offer a damn thing. The evidence already was and you choose to ignore the work of PR. Insults? Nah. Just telling it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTAXVr8N40

I directly responded, and all he could say was "you're so stupid, so i don't have to prove anything". That's not a valid argument. (He since offered another argument, that the transaction volume was higher than usual, but that wasn't true.)

And sending a single coin from an output with 500,000 coins creates volume of 500,000. Paul doesn't seem to understand the system very well, and his response is proving it. The transaction behavior is consistent with an exchange servicing withdrawing, and anyone who knows how transactions work understands this.

Hell, Paul claimed a couple pages back that some transaction didn't get confirmed for a few days, while linking to the confirmation. If you know anything at all about what's going on, you'd realize that's wrong. He's screenshoting pages he doesn't understand.

(If vancefox is around, could you weigh in on this and how well it fits exchange patterns?)

I would have to agree with the last lot of photos , it looks like a standard hot wallet with multiple addresses belonging to an exchange , the top one is withdrawal, the second is the remaining coins in that wallet going back to bittrex or paybase or whatever

But there are other screenshots Paul has provided that are correct , there is a clear trail of funds getting skimmed off the top of the prime controllers  whenever they collect massive amounts of coins and they are getting deposited into exchanges

but the long most recent list of transactions shown can be explained by an exchanges hot wallet functioning normally

That theory was dismissed as bullshit. Please read before quoting a shill full of stupid.

Someone else didn't like it. Anyone can say a theory's wrong, and when called on it say (quote) "I don't have to offer a damn thing."

Send tips here 1d5F2nmmRSDbCDfgBq1yrLQUooSprdAn4
Pages: « 1 ... 1330 1331 1332 1333 1334 1335 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1343 1344 1345 1346 1347 1348 1349 1350 1351 1352 1353 1354 1355 1356 1357 1358 1359 1360 1361 1362 1363 1364 1365 1366 1367 1368 1369 1370 1371 1372 1373 1374 1375 1376 1377 1378 1379 [1380] 1381 1382 1383 1384 1385 1386 1387 1388 1389 1390 1391 1392 1393 1394 1395 1396 1397 1398 1399 1400 1401 1402 1403 1404 1405 1406 1407 1408 1409 1410 1411 1412 1413 1414 1415 1416 1417 1418 1419 1420 1421 1422 1423 1424 1425 1426 1427 1428 1429 1430 ... 2458 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!