GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[suchmoon]

HT entertainment at its best:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/35302

Can you guess which forum this is about:


Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

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[vancefox]

http://web.archive.org/save/https://hashtalk.org/topic/22975/initial-paycoins-of-12m/4

What was that about that one church guy being the only investor?

I thought there was at least 6...

I am confirming that Paycoins for HashPoints, Prime upgrades, and all of our investors are now in escrow.

Originally, we have projected that we would need to reserve about half of the first XPY for all customers that were mining Hashpool. We felt it was important to give our customers an natural advantage over the public. There are many obvious reason why we did that way, but it came down to support those that helped us get here.

As you all know, over the last few weeks there have been a public outcry for more customers to participate. As we typically do, we accommodated. We needed to greatly increase the reserve of coins based on:

Extending the Hashpool time to existing customers
Allow all other Hashlets to be able to use Hashpool
Providing a few XPY to almost all Prime Hashlets
We took a few additional investors at the very end of last week
The above reasons are why we needed to increase the original amount.

There are now 6 Primary investors that own Prime controllers. They are:

A large group of private partners and myself. This was done under a separate company, and provide GAW with Prime controllers to fund it's Hashstakers. GAW will pay the investment group out of it sales of Hashstakers
One nonprofit
4 other private investors.
About 60% of the 12 million coins are going to customers, 40% are going to investors.

The remaining 500k coins are publicly available. GAW is mining those coins with everyone else. All the coins we mine will be used for the CAF and adding more money to the Paybase reserve

[CryptoBuds]

Ya, really trying to clear up his rep.  Just stuck up for Josh Garza.  Looks like that post got trolled by Carsen Klock.

QFT. Did a real 360 didn't he  

I would venture to say that little Joshy-poo flexed his NDA muscles at the little fella and he done ran an got scared...

Or Carsen got what he wanted: threaten to say a few things, and get a bounty.

Good point.  Scamming the scammer!

[Revelation]

It would be interesting to see the effect of full inflation when the three largest wallets start to stake. If you look at the rich list:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich
The three largest wallets (accounting for almost 1/3 of all coins) are not staking. 3M extra coins generated since January are coming from mostly Prime Controllers only and it seems that not all Prime Controllers are staking.

[suchmoon]

http://web.archive.org/save/https://hashtalk.org/topic/22975/initial-paycoins-of-12m/4

What was that about that one church guy being the only investor?

I thought there was at least 6...

Those were great times... Gonzo could lie as much as he wanted, almost no one questioned anything, and XPY price was very responsive to any pumps.

Anyway, hopefully the SEC is looking into this among other things.

[GAW_DUMP_ANALYSIS]

A boy can dream...

3/30/2015
https://i.imgur.com/hQcrbki.jpg

3/30/2016
https://i.imgur.com/9DSz5Mv.jpg

[Revelation]

Here is a Cryptsy wallet (proof that it belongs to Cryptsy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?86840.htm)

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PHzFPA5exgURp5sACK5CxeSD9boLRFTdyP.htm

that has been receiving full staking rewards from a Prime Controller (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PBmP2LmrvspqMy9TrLeV6pYBaiKzFSdxvU.htm) over the last couple of days (e.g. of  a transfer https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482432.htm).

Staking rewards from Prime Controllers have two destinations - Cryptsy or this wallet aggregator (rank #2)

Since January 2015 around 2.5M coins were generated through staking, mostly from Prime Controllers. Out of these 1.28M sit in that #2 wallet, 0.42M still sit in Prime Controllers through larger balances (original balance for each Controller was 125k; Prime Controllers are ranked #6-55 in the rich list) which means that Josh & Co have dumped around 0.8M coins on the market. That is pretty impressive.

[TheReaper]

I was messing around in photoshop and found this new Blur. It was called GAWssian Blur. So I tried it out:


REALITY at Hashtalk and Paycoin
http://s27.postimg.org/zdiyiu8oz/GAWssian_Blur.png

Here it is after the GAWssian blur is applied. I guess its a cousin of rose colored glasses.

https://i.imgur.com/GwijStS.jpg

[coinits]

No anal dildos?


Never mind! I see Homero in the pic. You've got your bases covered!

[rawbot]

which means that Josh & Co have dumped around 0.8M coins on the market. That is pretty impressive.

So that equates to about a million bucks.  At the same time they have everybody else's Paycoins locked up so they can't use them.  If Charlie Shrem is in jail, then this piece of shit should be in jail.

[Paul Revere]

Here is a Cryptsy wallet (proof that it belongs to Cryptsy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?86840.htm)

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PHzFPA5exgURp5sACK5CxeSD9boLRFTdyP.htm

that has been receiving full staking rewards from a Prime Controller (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PBmP2LmrvspqMy9TrLeV6pYBaiKzFSdxvU.htm) over the last couple of days (e.g. of  a transfer https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482432.htm).

Staking rewards from Prime Controllers have two destinations - Cryptsy or this wallet aggregator (rank #2)

Since January 2015 around 2.5M coins were generated through staking, mostly from Prime Controllers. Out of these 1.28M sit in that #2 wallet, 0.42M still sit in Prime Controllers through larger balances (original balance for each Controller was 125k; Prime Controllers are ranked #6-55 in the rich list) which means that Josh & Co have dumped around 0.8M coins on the market. That is pretty impressive.

And that is not including the coins that came straight from the Pre-Mine and went to exchanges. I am rather busy today, but I traced back a couple of transactions from the Paycoin.com "hack", and I can say for sure that the outputs are linked to some of the same wallets associated with GAW/Josh and the shuffling of XPY on a massive scale, and also some of the "stolen" coins go straight back to some of the largest addresses in the TeamPaycoin/Paycoin.com wallet. This evening I will try to put something together, but for now here is some of what I found in a quick trace of the "hack" transactions.
This is the first txid in the list.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?fcbb640f4a65476bd1794b613658fc12a5428e23676e6032cbdc8207d02b9279.htm
going forward it goes in and out of this wallet. This looks like bot action, and I will get to that other amount that went in and out after this...
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PDEYQFCKCG8HaptW5P6kHAu2Nk8JKmZW4U.htm
from which this group of 222 leaves in this transaction and is combined with 249 XPY taken from Cryptsy.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?466510.htm
That group then lands in this old and well used address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PJDDaTtn5T23x84Uik4brAgfXUfy2NygEE.htm
That address directly received (after the usual shuffle) coins directly taken from the Pre-mine. However, back to this group of "stolen" XPY, they get combined with some other "stolen" coins IN this address, and leave in this transaction:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?471787.htm
Where 1,000 are deposited into Cryptsy, and have not moved, and the other ~800 are sitting in this wallet here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PB1mqKFEBjxsoCnbod6dh62vmLn8ob5Xm1.htm

OK, so we know these "stolen" XPY went into and out of a wallet associated with the premine and with the paycoin shuffle that has been going on from day 1. Now, lets look at that group of 199 "stolen" coins, which are associated with this listed txid from the "hack". https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?466257.htm  and bounce through the same shuffle address as the group of 222 traced before, this one:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PDEYQFCKCG8HaptW5P6kHAu2Nk8JKmZW4U.htm
Following the group of 199 XPY forward we leave in this tx:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?467447.htm
Where they combine with other "stolen" coins, some bouncing through a Cryptsy account. They then land as a group of 621 XPY in this address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PSb9znGtdYkZqcTcNg1i8ycadiRHYCDNg6.htm
This address is back in the Paycoin.com wallet, and appears to be one used to distribute to individual users addresses, perhaps someone has more information on this address? It has received and sent over 116,000 XPY since 1-16-2015. Whatever it is, that group of 621 XPY then leaves this Paycoin.com address (because thieves always put the money they stole back in the same bank for a while, just to fuck with people- right?) in this tx:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?467454.htm and lands in another Paycoin.com wallet (these "thieves" are real jokers  ) here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PJCaAXtVDXgDoBoeuFoPqwM4bQCyWChToU.htm
Where it is mixed with a small amount of XPY, and then 155 XPY leaves in this tx, the rest remaining there until now.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481885.htm
It is combined with tiny amounts from other addresses (haven't traced)in that tx, and is now a 156.9 XPY group which goes to this address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PGWKtKvLfAFUxvmhzHkikXwPEc93tZz6eQ.htm
Which had another wayward group of 100 XPY go in and out. Havn;t followed those, but this group of 156.9 leaves in this tx yesterday: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482838.htm where it is split into two groups; 100 and 56. Here is the address where the group of 100 goes, and still remains:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PWG5UaTcFyVZquZRDWJ8LdjJUXbUbJSQBD.htm
I call this Santa's address, as it was created on 12-25-2014, and has received large amounts of XPY straight from the pre-mine, and has not seen any activity since 12-29 (no staking and non redeemed inputs, meaning it has not synched since then). It's current balance is 34,124.882546 XPY , ranked # 74 on the Rich List! Why did the "thieves" put the loot in this address? Who owns this? Why did they receive pre-mine? Why did the "stolen" XPY go here??? WTF?? These things all say inside job to me, I am sure someone will disagree.

To finish this little bit of sleuthing, the other 56 XPY shaved off in that transaction from which the 100 came from shuffle through this address: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PT5jJgfTHVjkgC5uRm5UUw92P56MzbYMHX.htm
leaving in this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?484126.htm  They are split into two groups, one of 49 which goes directly to the 34,124 XPY address above, and the other 7 shuffling through this addy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PQvaB9gNySbEQrYscq1k3wwhsX5co4QM2r.htm
Leaving in this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?485232.htm where they are split into 2 groups (sound familiar yet?) , 5 going here
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PCucwVa23F7HZ7CXrYdBw7Ebn1rH29xutR.htm
and 2 going to the same 34.124 XPY address above.

These are either the stupidest hackers on the planet (putting 1,000 XPY in Crypsty and not touching it? Sending 800XPY to an address and leaving it? , sending stolen XPY back to where it came from, while the Paycoin.com wallets were supposedly offline, no less? Sending XPY to GAW wallets? Sending XPY to a wallet that has not synched since 12-29?) or, it was an inside job. Or of course some combination of those two things maybe.

[vObh0n]6W]

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These are either the stupidest hackers on the planet (putting 1,000 XPY in Crypsty and not touching it?

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The rest is good work, but this point is wrong. If someone deposits coins into cryptsy, it's cryptsy's choice when to remove them. The coins remaining in the deposit address doesn't imply they haven't sold them, nor does the coins leaving imply they have been sold.

That said, the times I've checked my own deposits they get moved out within a few hours, so this is a bit weird on cryptsy's side. It's been 3 days without a removal.

[subseaguru]

Here is a Cryptsy wallet (proof that it belongs to Cryptsy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?86840.htm)

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PHzFPA5exgURp5sACK5CxeSD9boLRFTdyP.htm

that has been receiving full staking rewards from a Prime Controller (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PBmP2LmrvspqMy9TrLeV6pYBaiKzFSdxvU.htm) over the last couple of days (e.g. of  a transfer https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482432.htm).

Staking rewards from Prime Controllers have two destinations - Cryptsy or this wallet aggregator (rank #2)

Since January 2015 around 2.5M coins were generated through staking, mostly from Prime Controllers. Out of these 1.28M sit in that #2 wallet, 0.42M still sit in Prime Controllers through larger balances (original balance for each Controller was 125k; Prime Controllers are ranked #6-55 in the rich list) which means that Josh & Co have dumped around 0.8M coins on the market. That is pretty impressive.

And that is not including the coins that came straight from the Pre-Mine and went to exchanges. I am rather busy today, but I traced back a couple of transactions from the Paycoin.com "hack", and I can say for sure that the outputs are linked to some of the same wallets associated with GAW/Josh and the shuffling of XPY on a massive scale, and also some of the "stolen" coins go straight back to some of the largest addresses in the TeamPaycoin/Paycoin.com wallet. This evening I will try to put something together, but for now here is some of what I found in a quick trace of the "hack" transactions.
This is the first txid in the list.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?fcbb640f4a65476bd1794b613658fc12a5428e23676e6032cbdc8207d02b9279.htm
going forward it goes in and out of this wallet. This looks like bot action, and I will get to that other amount that went in and out after this...
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PDEYQFCKCG8HaptW5P6kHAu2Nk8JKmZW4U.htm
from which this group of 222 leaves in this transaction and is combined with 249 XPY taken from Cryptsy.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?466510.htm
That group then lands in this old and well used address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PJDDaTtn5T23x84Uik4brAgfXUfy2NygEE.htm
That address directly received (after the usual shuffle) coins directly taken from the Pre-mine. However, back to this group of "stolen" XPY, they get combined with some other "stolen" coins IN this address, and leave in this transaction:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?471787.htm
Where 1,000 are deposited into Cryptsy, and have not moved, and the other ~800 are sitting in this wallet here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PB1mqKFEBjxsoCnbod6dh62vmLn8ob5Xm1.htm

OK, so we know these "stolen" XPY went into and out of a wallet associated with the premine and with the paycoin shuffle that has been going on from day 1. Now, lets look at that group of 199 "stolen" coins, which are associated with this listed txid from the "hack". https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?466257.htm  and bounce through the same shuffle address as the group of 222 traced before, this one:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PDEYQFCKCG8HaptW5P6kHAu2Nk8JKmZW4U.htm
Following the group of 199 XPY forward we leave in this tx:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?467447.htm
Where they combine with other "stolen" coins, some bouncing through a Cryptsy account. They then land as a group of 621 XPY in this address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PSb9znGtdYkZqcTcNg1i8ycadiRHYCDNg6.htm
This address is back in the Paycoin.com wallet, and appears to be one used to distribute to individual users addresses, perhaps someone has more information on this address? It has received and sent over 116,000 XPY since 1-16-2015. Whatever it is, that group of 621 XPY then leaves this Paycoin.com address (because thieves always put the money they stole back in the same bank for a while, just to fuck with people- right?) in this tx:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?467454.htm and lands in another Paycoin.com wallet (these "thieves" are real jokers  ) here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PJCaAXtVDXgDoBoeuFoPqwM4bQCyWChToU.htm
Where it is mixed with a small amount of XPY, and then 155 XPY leaves in this tx, the rest remaining there until now.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481885.htm
It is combined with tiny amounts from other addresses (haven't traced)in that tx, and is now a 156.9 XPY group which goes to this address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PGWKtKvLfAFUxvmhzHkikXwPEc93tZz6eQ.htm
Which had another wayward group of 100 XPY go in and out. Havn;t followed those, but this group of 156.9 leaves in this tx yesterday: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482838.htm where it is split into two groups; 100 and 56. Here is the address where the group of 100 goes, and still remains:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PWG5UaTcFyVZquZRDWJ8LdjJUXbUbJSQBD.htm
I call this Santa's address, as it was created on 12-25-2014, and has received large amounts of XPY straight from the pre-mine, and has not seen any activity since 12-29 (no staking and non redeemed inputs, meaning it has not synched since then). It's current balance is 34,124.882546 XPY , ranked # 74 on the Rich List! Why did the "thieves" put the loot in this address? Who owns this? Why did they receive pre-mine? Why did the "stolen" XPY go here??? WTF?? These things all say inside job to me, I am sure someone will disagree.

To finish this little bit of sleuthing, the other 56 XPY shaved off in that transaction from which the 100 came from shuffle through this address: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PT5jJgfTHVjkgC5uRm5UUw92P56MzbYMHX.htm
leaving in this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?484126.htm  They are split into two groups, one of 49 which goes directly to the 34,124 XPY address above, and the other 7 shuffling through this addy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PQvaB9gNySbEQrYscq1k3wwhsX5co4QM2r.htm
Leaving in this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?485232.htm where they are split into 2 groups (sound familiar yet?) , 5 going here
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PCucwVa23F7HZ7CXrYdBw7Ebn1rH29xutR.htm
and 2 going to the same 34.124 XPY address above.

These are either the stupidest hackers on the planet (putting 1,000 XPY in Crypsty and not touching it? Sending 800XPY to an address and leaving it? , sending stolen XPY back to where it came from? Sending XPY to GAW wallets? Sending XPY to a wallet that has not synched since 12-29?) or, it was an inside job. Or of course some combination of those two things maybe.

nice sleuth work. i dont have the internet speed out here to track everything but im glad someone did. makes one go "hmmmmmm"

[subseaguru]

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These are either the stupidest hackers on the planet (putting 1,000 XPY in Crypsty and not touching it?

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The rest is good work, but this point is wrong. If someone deposits coins into cryptsy, it's cryptsy's choice when to remove them. The coins remaining in the deposit address doesn't imply they haven't sold them, nor does the coins leaving imply they have been sold.

That said, the times I've checked my own deposits they get moved out within a few hours, so this is a bit weird on cryptsy's side. It's been 3 days without a removal.

even if the deposit is to a personal account and that owner doesnt sell?

[vObh0n]6W]

Here is a Cryptsy wallet (proof that it belongs to Cryptsy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?86840.htm)

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PHzFPA5exgURp5sACK5CxeSD9boLRFTdyP.htm

that has been receiving full staking rewards from a Prime Controller (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PBmP2LmrvspqMy9TrLeV6pYBaiKzFSdxvU.htm) over the last couple of days (e.g. of  a transfer https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482432.htm).

Staking rewards from Prime Controllers have two destinations - Cryptsy or this wallet aggregator (rank #2)

Since January 2015 around 2.5M coins were generated through staking, mostly from Prime Controllers. Out of these 1.28M sit in that #2 wallet, 0.42M still sit in Prime Controllers through larger balances (original balance for each Controller was 125k; Prime Controllers are ranked #6-55 in the rich list) which means that Josh & Co have dumped around 0.8M coins on the market. That is pretty impressive.

And that is not including the coins that came straight from the Pre-Mine and went to exchanges. I am rather busy today, but I traced back a couple of transactions from the Paycoin.com "hack", and I can say for sure that the outputs are linked to some of the same wallets associated with GAW/Josh and the shuffling of XPY on a massive scale, and also some of the "stolen" coins go straight back to some of the largest addresses in the TeamPaycoin/Paycoin.com wallet. This evening I will try to put something together, but for now here is some of what I found in a quick trace of the "hack" transactions.
This is the first txid in the list.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?fcbb640f4a65476bd1794b613658fc12a5428e23676e6032cbdc8207d02b9279.htm
going forward it goes in and out of this wallet. This looks like bot action, and I will get to that other amount that went in and out after this...
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PDEYQFCKCG8HaptW5P6kHAu2Nk8JKmZW4U.htm
from which this group of 222 leaves in this transaction and is combined with 249 XPY taken from Cryptsy.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?466510.htm
That group then lands in this old and well used address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PJDDaTtn5T23x84Uik4brAgfXUfy2NygEE.htm
That address directly received (after the usual shuffle) coins directly taken from the Pre-mine. However, back to this group of "stolen" XPY, they get combined with some other "stolen" coins IN this address, and leave in this transaction:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?471787.htm
Where 1,000 are deposited into Cryptsy, and have not moved, and the other ~800 are sitting in this wallet here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PB1mqKFEBjxsoCnbod6dh62vmLn8ob5Xm1.htm

OK, so we know these "stolen" XPY went into and out of a wallet associated with the premine and with the paycoin shuffle that has been going on from day 1. Now, lets look at that group of 199 "stolen" coins, which are associated with this listed txid from the "hack". https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?466257.htm  and bounce through the same shuffle address as the group of 222 traced before, this one:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PDEYQFCKCG8HaptW5P6kHAu2Nk8JKmZW4U.htm
Following the group of 199 XPY forward we leave in this tx:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?467447.htm
Where they combine with other "stolen" coins, some bouncing through a Cryptsy account. They then land as a group of 621 XPY in this address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PSb9znGtdYkZqcTcNg1i8ycadiRHYCDNg6.htm
This address is back in the Paycoin.com wallet, and appears to be one used to distribute to individual users addresses, perhaps someone has more information on this address? It has received and sent over 116,000 XPY since 1-16-2015. Whatever it is, that group of 621 XPY then leaves this Paycoin.com address (because thieves always put the money they stole back in the same bank for a while, just to fuck with people- right?) in this tx:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?467454.htm and lands in another Paycoin.com wallet (these "thieves" are real jokers  ) here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PJCaAXtVDXgDoBoeuFoPqwM4bQCyWChToU.htm
Where it is mixed with a small amount of XPY, and then 155 XPY leaves in this tx, the rest remaining there until now.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481885.htm
It is combined with tiny amounts from other addresses (haven't traced)in that tx, and is now a 156.9 XPY group which goes to this address:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PGWKtKvLfAFUxvmhzHkikXwPEc93tZz6eQ.htm
Which had another wayward group of 100 XPY go in and out. Havn;t followed those, but this group of 156.9 leaves in this tx yesterday: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?482838.htm where it is split into two groups; 100 and 56. Here is the address where the group of 100 goes, and still remains:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PWG5UaTcFyVZquZRDWJ8LdjJUXbUbJSQBD.htm
I call this Santa's address, as it was created on 12-25-2014, and has received large amounts of XPY straight from the pre-mine, and has not seen any activity since 12-29 (no staking and non redeemed inputs, meaning it has not synched since then). It's current balance is 34,124.882546 XPY , ranked # 74 on the Rich List! Why did the "thieves" put the loot in this address? Who owns this? Why did they receive pre-mine? Why did the "stolen" XPY go here??? WTF?? These things all say inside job to me, I am sure someone will disagree.

To finish this little bit of sleuthing, the other 56 XPY shaved off in that transaction from which the 100 came from shuffle through this address: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PT5jJgfTHVjkgC5uRm5UUw92P56MzbYMHX.htm
leaving in this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?484126.htm  They are split into two groups, one of 49 which goes directly to the 34,124 XPY address above, and the other 7 shuffling through this addy: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PQvaB9gNySbEQrYscq1k3wwhsX5co4QM2r.htm
Leaving in this tx: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?485232.htm where they are split into 2 groups (sound familiar yet?) , 5 going here
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PCucwVa23F7HZ7CXrYdBw7Ebn1rH29xutR.htm
and 2 going to the same 34.124 XPY address above.

These are either the stupidest hackers on the planet (putting 1,000 XPY in Crypsty and not touching it? Sending 800XPY to an address and leaving it? , sending stolen XPY back to where it came from, while the Paycoin.com wallets were supposedly offline, no less? Sending XPY to GAW wallets? Sending XPY to a wallet that has not synched since 12-29?) or, it was an inside job. Or of course some combination of those two things maybe.

Also, it would be helpful if you also linked to the premine transactions.

[vObh0n]6W]

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These are either the stupidest hackers on the planet (putting 1,000 XPY in Crypsty and not touching it?

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The rest is good work, but this point is wrong. If someone deposits coins into cryptsy, it's cryptsy's choice when to remove them. The coins remaining in the deposit address doesn't imply they haven't sold them, nor does the coins leaving imply they have been sold.

That said, the times I've checked my own deposits they get moved out within a few hours, so this is a bit weird on cryptsy's side. It's been 3 days without a removal.

even if the deposit is to a personal account and that owner doesnt sell?

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Make a deposit to cryptsy, they move it out soon. It's not correlated with buying and selling. This is probably true for most exchanges.

In fact, sometimes my bitcoin deposits are transferred out even before they're added to my balance within cryptsy.

[Paul Revere]

If you trace the first deposit in Santa's Wallet (~3,600XPY ) backwards it goes to this group of 2,000,000 from the premine :

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?9619.htm

That group of ~3,600 is combined from several shuffle groups. I traced two of them back to this premine output, the trail them remaining intact the whole way. You are quite free to start clicking and do it yourself, please do. It only went through maybe ~200 Shuffle/Siphon to accumulators or straight to exchange cycles.

Santa's Wallet has received siphoning from shuffles ever since then as well, but has not synched since 12-28. I suspect this is maybe one of Josh's private stashes due to how and where the transactions in and out of it have occurred, but please, formulate your own ideas.

Edit to add: If you want to follow backwards from Santa's Wallet, here is where I started:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?95348.htm
which came from here:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?P9GhLjB4Ef9Gqu4skEeEGH35cPFFGEADzn.htm
in this transaction:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?89636.htm
If you continue to follow that parent group of ~15,000XPY backwards it remains intact (being siphoned from many, many, dozens of times) all the way back to the Premine.

[suchmoon]

even if the deposit is to a personal account and that owner doesnt sell?

Exchange users don't own the coins they deposit. Deposits go to one big pot (shared wallet) and all internal exchange buys/sells/transfers are just database transactions. So after coins have visited an exchange it's impossible to tell who they belong to. A deposit to an exchange address should be assumed to be a dead end in any blockchain research. Likely those coins were sold, but could also be withdrawn and you wouldn't know it because the withdrawal would come from a completely different address. Exchanges are reasonably good coin mixers.

[coinits]

even if the deposit is to a personal account and that owner doesnt sell?

Exchange users don't own the coins they deposit. Deposits go to one big pot (shared wallet) and all internal exchange buys/sells/transfers are just database transactions. So after coins have visited an exchange it's impossible to tell who they belong to. A deposit to an exchange address should be assumed to be a dead end in any blockchain research. Likely those coins were sold, but could also be withdrawn and you wouldn't know it because the withdrawal would come from a completely different address. Exchanges are reasonably good coin mixers.

This is going to change and soon. I know that NASDAQs exchange will have individual wallets for every account. I predict that the Authorities, partly because of douchebags, will demand it from all exchanges if they want to do business with Americans.

[Paul Revere]

even if the deposit is to a personal account and that owner doesnt sell?

Exchange users don't own the coins they deposit. Deposits go to one big pot (shared wallet) and all internal exchange buys/sells/transfers are just database transactions. So after coins have visited an exchange it's impossible to tell who they belong to. A deposit to an exchange address should be assumed to be a dead end in any blockchain research. Likely those coins were sold, but could also be withdrawn and you wouldn't know it because the withdrawal would come from a completely different address. Exchanges are reasonably good coin mixers.

This is going to change and soon. I know that NASDAQs exchange will have individual wallets for every account. I predict that the Authorities, partly because of douchebags, will demand it from all exchanges if they want to do business with Americans.

I am a bit unsure of exactly how exchanges, Cryptsy in particular does this. I know for sure that they generate a real unique Blockchain address for each account's deposits for each coin, so you can see deposits to an account. However, you can generate new addresses at will, so an account may have many deposit addresses associated with it. I *think* any deposit will remain in the unique address until the account holder opens up the exchange for that particular coin, perhaps even requiring placing an order, before the coins are moved into the pooled coins in the main Cryptsy account, meaning that whoever deposited that 1,000 XPY has not tried to move them yet. I could of course be wrong about this, if someone has some XPY to deposit and check this we would know for sure.