GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[Franz_Huber]

Hashtards are starting to find out that you can - somehow - store cryptocurrency in a local wallet. The hilarity never ends with these people.  

[Crestington]

Hashtards are starting to find out that you can - somehow - store cryptocurrency in a local wallet. The hilarity never ends with these people.  

Too bad the local wallet is also broken

[kaykawa]

gawceo vs BFL Labs 

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lol

[Xian01]

https://i.imgur.com/5HuYrUM.jpg
Looks like the operators of badbitcoin.org are really invested in Paycoin and lost money. Oh my. Too bad for them.

to continue that a bit: he is dissing CoinFire. im just wondering what his credentials are... random internet dude releasing stuff to back up a fraud

always funny when the truth is looked as: "damage to the industry"
gtfo you bad actors and the industry will be fine

http://www.badbitcoin.org/gaw.htm

"Integrity".



Our position regarding GAW and Paycoin. These unsupported "indisputable facts" versus the reality.

There has been a very vocal campaign against the previously highly regarded supplier, GAW Miners, and going even further targeting their CEO Josh Garza, and has also questioned our position on these matters. In response to this, I am issuing the following unambiguous statement.

We do not share the opinion that this operation,or Mr Garza are intending to defraud, or have defrauded any investor in Hashlets, Hashstakers, Paycoin XPY, or any other product or service supplied by GAW or it's companies. We are not associated with these companies beyond personal & private holdings of Hashstakers, Zen Hashlets and XPY Paycoin, and are not paid by these companies.
They are accused of reneging on contracts, there is no evidence of this. Reneging on promises. There were never price promises, beyond individual expectation of market value, and the anticipated $20 floor, a concept since reformed into the honours program, which whilst indefinitely delayed, pending the resolving of legal issues, is still very much active. Some proposed features have been shelved, delayed, or abandoned due to direct effects of the current hate campaign, and other features have since been proposed, some are better.
Leaked emails, widely circulated, have been obtained illegally and are legally confidential. They must be disregarded due to their origin being from a hacked external, and uncredited anonymous source. The hacking of privileged company resources also indicates that the hacker may easily have fabricated these emails using hijacked services, or had physical access to those resources.

Neither GAW, Zencloud or any other GAW operation, has at this time, directly or indirectly defrauded anybody regarding the conversion to hashstakers and XPY. This was always a choice, freely chosen by the individual.
The campaign against GAW is a phenomenon that is unprecedented, and has become almost a cult. The vehemence of these detractors - the majority of whom are non investors - has had a visible effect on trust and wider adoption of this XPY. This campaign was fuelled by a core few individuals, would be members of a kind of informal 'old guard' of Crypto. It is an indefensible action.
We cannot accept any of these third party, sometimes absurd allegations as hard evidence, neither can anybody else who does not have unrestricted access to confidential original company accounts, minutes of meetings and internal and external correspondence. Therefore, were we to conclude that there was a scam going on, it would be pure conjecture, and that is morally and professionally irresponsible, and would leave us fairly justly liable, to prosecution for libellous actions. The majority of the supposed evidence so far,  has no covenance and in some cases is even unknown of by the correspondents. Being unverifiable non original data, it is simply not worthy of consideration for any practical purpose.
GAW are also a registered company, with a strong track record. We have no desire to participate in any clearly orchestrated campaign against a hard working company.

Where we list other registered companies, it is always after confirming beyond doubt, that the company is using faked covenance, or is non-existent. We aren't here to investigate legal entities, already subject to outside audit.

I will finish by saying that personally, I am pretty adept at spotting a fraud. I do not believe that any deliberate attempt is being made to defraud anybody by Josh Garza. I do believe that the real damage being done to investors is due to this core group of 'haters' who resent this innovation and this rightly perceived threat to their own interests, and as such are prepared to originate and fuel this disinformation, not excluding illegally obtaining discreditable and confidential correspondence.

This is not intended as investment advice.

Ultimately, there will be a definitive outcome to this ongoing debacle. We'd like to come out of it with our integrity intact as well.

ViK. Editor & Project Lead. March 24th 2015

[ej4uo9aB1eiz]

https://i.imgur.com/E2j6ba1.png

If true that happened at least a day ago so why are we hearing about it now? There's been new people committing changes to the Paycoin repo that was moved from gawminers/paycoin to paycoinfoundation/paycoin for over a week now.

https://i.imgur.com/vXpX6LQ.png

   Domain Name: PAYBASE.COM
   Registry Domain ID: 7208046_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
   Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
   Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
   Update Date: 2015-03-26T17:26:58Z
   Creation Date: 1999-06-12T22:10:12Z
   Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-06-12T22:10:50Z
   Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
   Registrar IANA ID: 146
   Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com
   Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.480-624-2505

Apparently Josh does not know that domains are public record and that we can see exactly that they haven't been stolen or their destinations changed. The zencloud.com domain isn't even theirs so I don't know what Homero thinks he is talking about there. The paybase.com domain shifted over 2 weeks ago but he can't really claim that was "theft" given the website has been operational for that time and he seems to be claiming this is a new development when he says "we will be working first thing monday morning".

[kken01]

 

most of his stuff relies on blind faith
oh GAWSus save us!

[strangerdanger101]

There's no where safe to store XPY other than exchange wallets.

[johnson1990]

There's no where safe to store XPY other than exchange wallets.

This is just wrong.

The correct answer should be:
There is no safe place to store XPY other than exchange them to BTC

[strangerdanger101]

There's no where safe to store XPY other than exchange wallets.

This is just wrong.

The correct answer should be:
There is no safe place to store XPY other than exchange them to BTC

Well you shouldn't have bought them in the first place thats correct but I'm speaking to the people intent on holding the bag for them there is no where safe to put their XPY.
Do you fucking get it now?

[rawbot]

Or is it?

[holdembot]

Or is it?

If the mission were to rob GAWtards then I would say that image is spot on.

[boxhock]

Actually so.

  Domain Name: PAYCOIN.COM
   Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
   Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
   Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
   Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
   Name Server: ADAM.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
   Name Server: LEAH.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
   Status: clientDeleteProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited
   Status: clientRenewProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited
   Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
   Status: clientUpdateProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited
  Updated Date: 23-feb-2015
   Creation Date: 06-jul-2012
   Expiration Date: 06-jul-2016

The paycoin.com domain hasn't moved or been altered since Feb this year, so before all this extra paycoin drama right?

Homero is not claiming paycoin.com has been stolen right?

So we can assume anybody using it's email addresses now is probably at least some bit related to GAW.

Lets look at who is committing to the "stolen" github repo at https://github.com/PaycoinFoundation/paycoin/

...

Jason is also known as Master Yoshi, PaycoinGateway etc. He is not "some bit related to GAW".

I'm just trying to get this clear. GAW doesn't have control over paycoin.com, the Foundation does.

Domain Name: PAYCOIN.COM
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Registrant Name: Adam Matlack
Registrant Organization: PayCoin Foundation
Name Server: ADAM.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: LEAH.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned

[Unacceptable]

Fuck it, I think we should make our own movie once this is over, man the money we'd make!!

And make the theater charge in XPY for admission!!! 

[capsqrl]

What does it even mean to "own a Prime Controller"? I thought those were only hard-coded public keys in the Paycoin source code, and whoever has the corresponding private key controls them. This means you cannot transfer control from A to B, except if both parties trust that A has deleted all his copies of the private key after sending it to B.

If this understanding is correct, it seems like the whole "dey stole my prime controllers" story is a meaningless sham. So I suspect I don't understand, and hope someone can explain what the transfer process looks like.

[kken01]

Can anyone familiar with US law look up if xpydev.org is registered as an actual non profit company in Texas?

So from the post on HashTalk by Josh about his Prime Controller hyperinflaters:

• Josh controls 15 keys

• PayCoin Foundation / xpydev.org (I assume they are the same people) controls 15

• Charles Cottrell controls 12 keys

• Joe Mordica controls 5 keys

• Adam Matlack controls 3 keys

Now this list makes 50 total keys claimed to be owned. There's 50 keys hardcoded into the source.

What about the outside investors?

What about the blank spaces for other people to be added to the list?

Could there be some overlap in ownership, two groups have the same number of keys. Apparently.

http://paycoinfoundation.org/docs/PCAgreement_signed.pdf << you can see all the owners here that have signed (except Mr. Gonzo)

1 vote = 1 PC
so it adds up

Nathan Bass is one of the main devs hes the Inc3n3rator (something like that) on github along with Paycoindev which i think is matthew

we dont know about outside investors. i dont think theres any that are not producing services.. like Mineral exchange has its own PC but we cant classify the owner as real outside investor

edit:
its a fresh breeze that they try to be transparent. anything Mr. Gorgonzola does is veiled in a thick smog that always backfires

[Crestington]

Actually so.


The paycoin.com domain hasn't moved or been altered since Feb this year, so before all this extra paycoin drama right?

Homero is not claiming paycoin.com has been stolen right?

So we can assume anybody using it's email addresses now is probably at least some bit related to GAW.

Lets look at who is committing to the "stolen" github repo at https://github.com/PaycoinFoundation/paycoin/

Just a note on their Github.....

No commit they are doing actually does anything, it's all some spelling error fixes and Document fixes and the ironic part about it is that the solution to their change is what they took from PayCon, something I put in months ago, they did however miss something quite important in their changes.

manditory is also spelt as mandatory, they also changed a spelling of sucessfull to successfull

[capsqrl]

No commit they are doing actually does anything, it's all some spelling error fixes and Document fixes and the ironic part about it is that the solution to their change is what they took from PayCon, something I put in months ago, they did however miss something quite important in their changes.

manditory is also spelt as mandatory, they also changed a spelling of successful to successfull

Besides the introduction of spelling errors, I think they also removed the "invalid checkpoint" message. Not by fixing the problem, but by making sure the error message is no longer visible.

This new version is going to be awesome.

I also see them giggling over git features in pull requests. "OMG rebasing is crazy haha"-style, like they've never written a line of code before.

[boxhock]

No commit they are doing actually does anything, it's all some spelling error fixes and Document fixes and the ironic part about it is that the solution to their change is what they took from PayCon, something I put in months ago, they did however miss something quite important in their changes.

manditory is also spelt as mandatory, they also changed a spelling of successful to successfull

Besides the introduction of spelling errors, I think they also removed the "invalid checkpoint" message. Not by fixing the problem, but by making sure the error message is no longer visible.

Initial blockchain sync is also fixed, afaik

[kken01]

it was never specified what he paid for. its possible he is part owner in GAW's share
it shoudnt take that long to get some documents from SEC investigation. the main thing seems to be that Mr. Gonzo reported fraudulent data to SEC about owners

+ of course selling fractional mining

[Crestington]

No commit they are doing actually does anything, it's all some spelling error fixes and Document fixes and the ironic part about it is that the solution to their change is what they took from PayCon, something I put in months ago, they did however miss something quite important in their changes.

manditory is also spelt as mandatory, they also changed a spelling of successful to successfull

Besides the introduction of spelling errors, I think they also removed the "invalid checkpoint" message. Not by fixing the problem, but by making sure the error message is no longer visible.

This new version is going to be awesome.

I also see them giggling over git features in pull requests. "OMG rebasing is crazy haha"-style, like they've never written a line of code before.

Pfft...

We've got 87 commits of ALL things that actually matter

https://github.com/Crestington/PayCon/commits/master?page=1

Recently added sorting of transactions by date ranges (to keep track of Stake), Deleteaddress GUI, sorting of transactions by Weight and Age added to Coin control, adjustable return change addresses, Selectable Blocks through combo box, SplitBlock (split your Coins into numbers of Blocks), Coin control on RPC calls, Toggle theme's with new default theme, Multi-send along with a good cleanup. Just finishing up speed sync and litestake.