This post is a great example of the style of argument found on HT. There must be a manual or something they distribute on how to make rhetorical points without addressing anything of substance.
To Wit:
The only point I'm here to make is being made. Anyone can launch a smear campaign, with baseless fodder. The reason we can all talk about pyramid schemes, and ponzi schemes is because there was proof. Not just opinions. When you look for proof the allegations here fall apart. I would refund my purchases if there was proof.
No one is launching a smear campaign. There are not "baseless fodder" being discussed. What *has* been discussed is the lack of any mechanism for GAW to support its payouts and miners sold, the problems with Paycoin and Paybase, etc. You say "baseless fodder" but are you really saying that the 380 pages here is baseless fodder? That is a rhetorical trick to get around addressing all of the specific and detailed problems that have been discussed in 380 pages. Similar tricks include labeling everyone that posts anything negative as a troll or the substance of the text as "FUD".
What you are essentially arguing is that no one should make any public questioning until there is 100% proof that GAW is a Ponzi or fraud. That of course is ridiculous as I am sure you would agree. When GAW hits each and every red flag pronounced by the FTC/SEC, its time to have an open discussion and its not FUD and not trollers. Where there is smoke there is often fire. Not every time, but enough that it doesn't hurt to tell people there might be fire when you see lots of smoke.
Address arguments and stop the throat clearing meaningless rhetoric of FUD, trolls, baseless fodder, etc.
You do realize most of us are/were customers of GAW? Why would we spread FUD, troll, and engage in baseless fodder? We are not competitors, we are not hateful. We are concerned. Most of us anyway.
As far as your ability to get a refund ... that is true as long as the number of folks seeking refunds is small. What happens if EVERYONE wants a refund? Do you see how the ability to get a refund does not really address in any way the concerns here that GAW might be running a Ponzi? Unless GAW can demonstrate that they can cash EVERYONE OUT at one time, refunds to a few are irrelevant marketing gimmicks aka Volder's offer.
The people making reports could do things in a way that addresses both sides of a story not just the typical one sided view. All companies have problems, its how they resolve these issues that matters.
Many here have tried that approach and been banned or shadowbanned for it. Most of us posting here thought at one time or another that GAW had some good ideas. But no one on HT wants to talk about problems in a serious way. In the past, Josh would just offer compensation to shut up customers with bad experiences on this forum (look it up, its true and I can show you my PMs if you don't believe it); now he can just ban, its much easier.
Out of the claimed 200,000 customers of theirs I see 50, maybe 100 people pissed about different issues. 4 have reported them in the typical legitimate old school ways. 3 resolved satisfactorily Maybe more have secretly. And when that information comes available publicly I will accept it if its factual. I believe most huge retailers would love to have those stats.
Really? Using statistics to distort doesn't help your case. Why don't you have GAW commission third party independent poll of current and former customers and see what those 20,000 (200,000??) customers really think. You cannot compare posters on this forum as a percentage of overall customers. Count the number of posters in this thread and the number of bans on HT, and compare that to the number of regular positive posters and you MAY have meaningful comparison. You cannot talk about 20,000 customers because most are silent - good or bad. The number of regular posters that are negative is at least equal to the number of posters that are positive even including HT posts. That is not a good statistic.
