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Author Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)  (Read 3376931 times)
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December 19, 2014, 12:15:26 AM
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Let's say on Monday 100,000 coins that people bought from miners this week for $5,6,7,8 want to be redeemed @ $20, that is $2Million he needs to pay out.
The ponzi doesn't work unless there is always fresh money to pay out the money due. where does the fresh money come from?
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December 19, 2014, 12:15:38 AM
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https://hashtalk.org/topic/24303/paybase-verifications

PayBase Verifications
Let’s Learn from the Past

Last night, I announced that every legitimate payment platform has levels of verification used for transactions, and that Paybase would be no different. Depending on the size and volume of a transfer you are making, there will be additional need to verify your account as you would expect. These are rules put in place to prevent theft, money laundering, etc. It’s important to stay compliant with the law. In order for institutions to take Paycoin seriously and adopt it, compliance with laws and guidance is absolutely imperative, and as you all know, that is one of our stated goals. We will hold ourselves to the highest standards that exist in the industry, and make sure we set the example for others to follow. Innovation takes many forms, and we would like this to be yet another way we will innovate.

Most of you understand this. You’re realists and know that before the world can ever reach a crypto utopia, a bridge to old money needs to be built in order to enjoy widespread acceptance.That’s only going to happen if we give Paycoin a suit and tie and play nice with the authorities.

So that’s what we’re going to do. This process is just about making sure Paycoin and Paybase’s trust levels meet KYC compliance standards. But, we will be going back to the drawing board to relax on any areas we can as guidance evolves, so you're not doing any more then you have to.

PayBase Verifications

PayBase, in alignment with and guidance from FinCEN, the IRS, the BSA and international government authorities will be licensed as a Money Service Business (MSB) and will follow all US and international regulations.

In accordance with this, PayBase will enforce Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Know Your Customer (KYC) measures. To do this any other way would hamper the adoption of Paycoin - something we aren’t willing to do.

To be clear, GAW Miners is not PayBase. While ZenCloud will continue to monitor and follow guidance from our legal and regulatory staff it remains a separate entity from Paybase and will follow the guidelines appropriate to its business activities.

PayBase will allow for 5 tiers of approval based on guidance from our legal department - subject, of course, to change by region and as new guidance is issued. The conversions between BTC and XPY will be handled by third-party exchanges where and it applicable.

One thing that makes Paybase unique is that we are dealing with three currencies (XPY, BTC, FIAT), when most payment processors are dealing with two. When you factor the risk this creates for underwriters, and that PayBase is new, we believe we have done a great job of matching the process of other payment processors while still retaining the ease of use you can expect from us.

Paybase will purchase Paycoins for $20 each. The limits listed below are weekly limits:


Tier 1

May purchase XPY with BTC
May send / withdraw XPY to wallets
May apply for Tier 2 verification.

Tier 2

Verify a credit card or bank account
Purchase up to $10,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $500 of BTC with XPY

Tier 3

Verify Identity using public records
Purchase up to $25,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $2,500 of BTC with XPY

Tier 4

Verify two forms of government-issued ID, have an account established for 30 days
Purchase up to $75,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $5,000 of BTC with XPY
Convert XPY to FIAT up to $5,000

VIP Tier

Must complete an application (to be released)
Purchase up to $100,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $25,000 of BTC with XPY
Convert XPY to FIAT up to $10,000

Please be patient with us. Just like coinbase, we will increase these levels over time as our underwriters become more comfortable with the risk.
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December 19, 2014, 12:17:46 AM
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Coin-swap candlesticks trending downward at 18:20 EST on indication of XPY flood coming soon courtesy of GAW.

Nice...  Flood the market, reduce the value, snatch up those coins via proxies and bury them in off-line wallets never to see the light of day again.

(that's how I would go about it anyway Cool)

I don't think we will see $20 coin for months now based on the latest annoucement. How long is this testing period on Paybase anyway?

I've suspected for a while that he has guys out there (I suspect volder (did I spell that right?) and bcsmarketing) out there buying up all these cheap coin right now and that's what is buoying the market.

He's probably counting on a total price crash right now and is in position to take advantage of it.

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December 19, 2014, 12:18:32 AM
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The pay coin is in Zencloud from the HP conversion but you cant withdrawal it. Typical GAW

that is exactly how they impose a 20.00 floor. They will have coin inside that wont be able to be withdrawn and XPY on the exchanges will not be worth shit. Classic.. Bait and switch
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December 19, 2014, 12:18:32 AM
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Early dumpers are actually going to make a killing with the current Bitcoin price

One guy has 3k xpy which can get 66 btc, that's more than I have

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December 19, 2014, 12:18:36 AM
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https://hashtalk.org/topic/24303/paybase-verifications

PayBase Verifications
Let’s Learn from the Past

Last night, I announced that every legitimate payment platform has levels of verification used for transactions, and that Paybase would be no different. Depending on the size and volume of a transfer you are making, there will be additional need to verify your account as you would expect. These are rules put in place to prevent theft, money laundering, etc. It’s important to stay compliant with the law. In order for institutions to take Paycoin seriously and adopt it, compliance with laws and guidance is absolutely imperative, and as you all know, that is one of our stated goals. We will hold ourselves to the highest standards that exist in the industry, and make sure we set the example for others to follow. Innovation takes many forms, and we would like this to be yet another way we will innovate.

Most of you understand this. You’re realists and know that before the world can ever reach a crypto utopia, a bridge to old money needs to be built in order to enjoy widespread acceptance.That’s only going to happen if we give Paycoin a suit and tie and play nice with the authorities.

So that’s what we’re going to do. This process is just about making sure Paycoin and Paybase’s trust levels meet KYC compliance standards. But, we will be going back to the drawing board to relax on any areas we can as guidance evolves, so you're not doing any more then you have to.

PayBase Verifications

PayBase, in alignment with and guidance from FinCEN, the IRS, the BSA and international government authorities will be licensed as a Money Service Business (MSB) and will follow all US and international regulations.

In accordance with this, PayBase will enforce Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Know Your Customer (KYC) measures. To do this any other way would hamper the adoption of Paycoin - something we aren’t willing to do.

To be clear, GAW Miners is not PayBase. While ZenCloud will continue to monitor and follow guidance from our legal and regulatory staff it remains a separate entity from Paybase and will follow the guidelines appropriate to its business activities.

PayBase will allow for 5 tiers of approval based on guidance from our legal department - subject, of course, to change by region and as new guidance is issued. The conversions between BTC and XPY will be handled by third-party exchanges where and it applicable.

One thing that makes Paybase unique is that we are dealing with three currencies (XPY, BTC, FIAT), when most payment processors are dealing with two. When you factor the risk this creates for underwriters, and that PayBase is new, we believe we have done a great job of matching the process of other payment processors while still retaining the ease of use you can expect from us.

Paybase will purchase Paycoins for $20 each. The limits listed below are weekly limits:

Tier 1

May purchase XPY with BTC
May send / withdraw XPY to wallets
May apply for Tier 2 verification.
Tier 2

Verify a credit card or bank account
Purchase up to $10,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $500 of BTC with XPY
Tier 3

Verify Identity using public records
Purchase up to $25,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $2,500 of BTC with XPY
Tier 4

Verify two forms of government-issued ID, have an account established for 30 days
Purchase up to $75,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $5,000 of BTC with XPY
Convert XPY to FIAT up to $5,000
VIP Tier

Must complete an application (to be released)
Purchase up to $100,000 of XPY with FIAT
Purchase up to $25,000 of BTC with XPY
Convert XPY to FIAT up to $10,000
Please be patient with us. Just like coinbase, we will increase these levels over time as our underwriters become more comfortable with the risk.

Right, let's see the information that says they are legal and can compile this information. "We will be..." Let me know when there big guy then we'll see about this. Remember when Moolah said the same thing? I do.
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December 19, 2014, 12:18:58 AM
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Now that we’ve launched a $100M+ currency, we have the eyes of the world on us -- including regulators!

It’s incredibly important that we take our time with Paycoin and Paybase to go through the proper steps to make sure we get everything compliant.

I can’t stress that enough.

Ok, um well a thought out business plan would have considered this and taken care of all that BEFORE the 'ICO'. Or is that just silly.
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December 19, 2014, 12:19:52 AM
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Early dumpers are actually going to make a killing with the current Bitcoin price

The money has already been made..
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December 19, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
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Now that we’ve launched a $100M+ currency, we have the eyes of the world on us -- including regulators!

It’s incredibly important that we take our time with Paycoin and Paybase to go through the proper steps to make sure we get everything compliant.

I can’t stress that enough.

Ok, um well a thought out business plan would have considered this and taken care of all that BEFORE the 'ICO'. Or is that just silly.

Smoke and mirrors man, smoke and mirrors.
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December 19, 2014, 12:22:24 AM
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Some more snippets from https://hashtalk.org/topic/24296

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It’s important that we do not “rush” through the legal process or the testing phase of Paybase

Translation: get ready for delays.

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We will release a final round at the end of the PoW stage for any HPs you have left over. We will also fire up Hashstakers at the same time.

Translation: Hashstakers will need to be loaded before Paybase floor or lack thereof is revealed (I think I predicted that somewhere).

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@hcmco said: Basic economics (ie supply vs demand) says that XPY will drop considerably tomorrow. Do not expect the $7 valuation to hold through the weekend if HashPoints do convert to XPY tonight.
Second point, GAW has limited control over the valuation. The hope is that when Paybase launches that most XPY will be staked instead of sold (this reduces supply). This is how the valuation will rise. $20 is an idealistic target, and it will take some time to reach that stability. This will not happen in a "few days".

@GAWCEO: thank you sir

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@mustang_hashlet said: so we can sell some if we need the cash, at $7/ XPY or wait until it's worth $20 in a few days? that should quiet some trolls, i find it to be a great way to weed out the unfaithful Wink

@GAWCEO: yep

Uhm... is it "few days" or not?

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The market will rise over time.

Ah, ok. That explains it. Actually - no, it doesn't.

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@whuttig said: As far as i can tell this means nothing -- we would have to sell at an existing exchange for next to nothing

@GAWCEO: Do not spread FUD. Please read what I wrote. Nothing has changed with Paybase.

Apparently it has changed. Now it's "over time". It used to be "goes public at $20".

Oh dear... what a fuck up.
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December 19, 2014, 12:22:45 AM
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You can buy paycoin with bitcoin in Tier 1 but you can't buy bitcoin with paycoin. WTF?
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December 19, 2014, 12:28:16 AM
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You can buy paycoin with bitcoin in Tier 1 but you can't buy bitcoin with paycoin. WTF?

I think a large amount of their user base won't be able to verify past tier 1.  Meaning more BTC for GAW.
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December 19, 2014, 12:28:59 AM
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Wow, the frenzy begins...

https://hashtalk.org/topic/24302/withdrawals

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December 19, 2014, 12:31:55 AM
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You can buy paycoin with bitcoin in Tier 1 but you can't buy bitcoin with paycoin. WTF?

It's called "innovation" Are you some sort of Luddite and don't like progress? When someone sells you a dog turd wrapped in a candy bar wrapper, this is called innovation. Just eat the dang thing and smile, and keep your trap shut or else you are an anti-GAW troll my good man!

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December 19, 2014, 12:33:51 AM
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You can buy paycoin with bitcoin in Tier 1 but you can't buy bitcoin with paycoin. WTF?

I think a large amount of their user base won't be able to verify past tier 1.  Meaning more BTC for GAW.

This shit is getting boring, so predictable. I mean many posters here warned weeks ago about possible excuses like regulation, withdrawal limits, delays, basically wrote the announcement for the CEO. Wait, maybe that's what's happening. We are helping them by suggesting their next moves. Change of plan - let's start praising and no more predictions. That will stump them  Grin
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December 19, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
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I got mine safe in a wallet.  

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December 19, 2014, 12:37:25 AM
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Withdrawals thread deleted already?
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December 19, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
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What IS this fuckery?

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And the thread with the rabid customers screaming to withdraw predictably bit the dust. lol
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December 19, 2014, 12:39:24 AM
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You can buy paycoin with bitcoin in Tier 1 but you can't buy bitcoin with paycoin. WTF?

I've been buying BTC with XPY for the past few days Tongue
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