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June 08, 2015, 04:38:49 AM |
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if they havent been sold to someone they would be classified as new.
If you purchased a product, and saw that it was laden with dust and grime upon delivery (obvious signs of use), would you classify it as new ?
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dog1965
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June 08, 2015, 07:19:38 AM |
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if they havent been sold to someone they would be classified as new.
If you purchased a product, and saw that it was laden with dust and grime upon delivery (obvious signs of use), would you classify it as new ? No Something new is something never turned on only once for inspection then boxed up waiting to be sold. Not run for five months then sold. My S5 did not have any dust period when I took it out of the box when I received it UPS. You can tell it was brand new that's how shiny it was and works well ever since.
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alh
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June 08, 2015, 07:07:02 PM |
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In the world of Bitcoin, some common English words may have a different meaning:
New = May or may not have been run for weeks by the manufacturer. Probably owned by the manufacturer.
Used = Probably run for weeks after shipped by manufacturer, who ran it for weeks.
Per-Order = Early investor that thinks they are a customer.
Refund = Not completely clear this word exists (e.g BFL)
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faetos
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June 08, 2015, 07:30:54 PM |
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In the world of Bitcoin, some common English words may have a different meaning:
New = May or may not have been run for weeks by the manufacturer. Probably owned by the manufacturer.
Used = Probably run for weeks after shipped by manufacturer, who ran it for weeks.
Per-Order = Early investor that thinks they are a customer.
Refund = Not completely clear this word exists (e.g BFL)
A lot of folks just bent over and took it and then thanked them for another. All mine were new (no dust, grime, or other BS, but that was way back.) Nobody should take that crap from any business even if it is bitcoin-related. The only reason that people do and don't fight it is simply choice. You either choose to accept the crap or you don't.
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alh
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June 08, 2015, 08:02:12 PM |
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Unfortunately, at the present time, there are very few non-scam, delivering hardware vendors. The only two that spring to mind are Bitmain and Avalon. While I love my SP20, Spondoolies has discontinued that product, and may or may not be selling to individuals in the future. The primary benefit of a used miner is that there is rarely any hint that it's "New", and you know it exists. At least I haven't seen anybody to try and sell a "used pre-order machine".... Uh Oh, I may just have given BFL a new idea!
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Darthswan
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June 09, 2015, 12:26:20 AM |
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In the end, AntMiner was shipping all used, refurbs as new hardware out. I don't think I would order again unless it actually specified it was NEW, unused hardware. And then to pay the price $340 that it has been for a couple of months still. Should be $150.
While you're at it, can we all buy your $100 notes for $30? Thank you for confirming that Bitmain was passing off used and dusty stock as "brand new". When I ordered my S5, I got it NEW NEW. Only problem is, it went south, and I have been waiting on a replacement for 3 weeks.
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June 09, 2015, 06:57:35 AM |
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When I got my S5 unit after waiting 7-8 weeks for it(cr@p SA postal services) It has abit of dust. I take it they were 'running it in'. But it is grafting lekker! No issues. I would rather have the dust and know its been tested for a few weeks than to be stuck with a brick.
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culexevilman
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June 09, 2015, 06:58:43 AM |
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Looking to buy a miner, although the ROI is truly down the drain these days.
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lemmyK
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June 09, 2015, 05:50:50 PM |
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ASIC status 1 30 350 53 oooooooo oooooooo oooooooo oooooo 2 26 350 21 xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xx me today fell electrocution on one modem and miner S5 working without the Internet and then be very warms and fans only go slowly. then this has happened, it looks from one side probably burnt although there can not see anything burnt. but also according to temperature 21 st. it looks that there is a fault. How to fix it?
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Crypto84
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June 10, 2015, 12:14:43 AM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3. I know this from working in IT. opening the side of the server or computer case increases temps and inhibits airflow out the back. anyone have the ability to fabricate a case for the s5? I've seen others try and 3d print stuff to fix airflow. making a metal case would probably solve the problem. i have no way to fabricate one though. Can bitmain throw us a bone and let us buy a case from them if we want? it cant be that hard for them to order a bunch in bulk.
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Rabinovitch
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June 10, 2015, 02:02:49 AM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now.
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Crypto84
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June 10, 2015, 02:40:36 AM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now. where can i order a case?
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June 10, 2015, 04:36:41 AM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now. where can i order a case? There has been some impressive 3d printing of parts some of which enclose the center of the miner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072176.0It's fairly recent and Bitmain even supported it by sending it's OP a little coin. I would check it out if your thinking about enclosing the S5.
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Crypto84
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June 10, 2015, 06:13:03 PM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now. where can i order a case? There has been some impressive 3d printing of parts some of which enclose the center of the miner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072176.0It's fairly recent and Bitmain even supported it by sending it's OP a little coin. I would check it out if your thinking about enclosing the S5. i think 3d printing stuff might be overkill. i put a 1/16 inch piece of acrylic on the bottom (because i havea wire shelf) and cut a piece of card board for the top (for testing purposes) and now my blades are the same temp. before they were 4-5c apart and one would always be hotter. now they are the exact same temp most of the time. ant this is just with some crappy cardboard cut out. imagine if i had a fully enclosed aluminum case. I dont have the tools to make a metal case or a plastic one for the matter. maybe really glossy poster board will work since it has a more smooth surface. which might be better for airflow.
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Evan
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June 10, 2015, 06:52:35 PM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now. where can i order a case? There has been some impressive 3d printing of parts some of which enclose the center of the miner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072176.0It's fairly recent and Bitmain even supported it by sending it's OP a little coin. I would check it out if your thinking about enclosing the S5. i think 3d printing stuff might be overkill. i put a 1/16 inch piece of acrylic on the bottom (because i havea wire shelf) and cut a piece of card board for the top (for testing purposes) and now my blades are the same temp. before they were 4-5c apart and one would always be hotter. now they are the exact same temp most of the time. ant this is just with some crappy cardboard cut out. imagine if i had a fully enclosed aluminum case. I dont have the tools to make a metal case or a plastic one for the matter. maybe really glossy poster board will work since it has a more smooth surface. which might be better for airflow. The difference between cardboard and Glossy paper is nothing... the Cardboard with its rough surface MIGHT even be more aero dynamic.... The reason this is working is that the static pressure of the airflow is now even across all the blades heat sinks, its also forcing the air to dump all its energy (or gain the heat) before exiting the case, with the open case air and heat just goes all over the place.
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Digitalmocking
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June 10, 2015, 07:09:09 PM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now. where can i order a case? There has been some impressive 3d printing of parts some of which enclose the center of the miner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072176.0It's fairly recent and Bitmain even supported it by sending it's OP a little coin. I would check it out if your thinking about enclosing the S5. i think 3d printing stuff might be overkill. i put a 1/16 inch piece of acrylic on the bottom (because i havea wire shelf) and cut a piece of card board for the top (for testing purposes) and now my blades are the same temp. before they were 4-5c apart and one would always be hotter. now they are the exact same temp most of the time. ant this is just with some crappy cardboard cut out. imagine if i had a fully enclosed aluminum case. I dont have the tools to make a metal case or a plastic one for the matter. maybe really glossy poster board will work since it has a more smooth surface. which might be better for airflow. Considering the heat generated, paper is a bad idea.
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June 10, 2015, 07:36:06 PM |
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Hi Bitmain! Is there any mechanical drawing of the S5 board? I want to design something to cool properly my S5s here on my tropical country, but don't want to turn off and tear down a miner just for measuring (although, if there isn't one, i gotta do it).
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Evan
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June 10, 2015, 07:45:25 PM |
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Hi Bitmain! Is there any mechanical drawing of the S5 board? I want to design something to cool properly my S5s here on my tropical country, but don't want to turn off and tear down a miner just for measuring (although, if there isn't one, i gotta do it).
\ If you are looking for water cooling, I already have a place that can sell them to you.
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Evan
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June 10, 2015, 07:49:29 PM |
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@bitmain why did you enclose the S3 with a case and 2 fans and leave the S5 wide open with only one LOUD fan? this is terrible for airflow.....you could probably have used a less noisy fan if u enclosed it with a case like the S3.
You can make (or order) the case by yourself. Without it S5 became lighter, so the shipping is cheaper. Heat dissipation is developed not so good in case of S5, so it needs a powerful (it inevitable means LOUD) fan. Sure they could sell S5 equiped with two less noisy fans (most of us make such mod), or they could sell S5 without fan at all. But we got what we got. Recently I placed all S5 to the basement, so I installed a Gembird DC120SF-12AS3 120x120x38 fan as a push fan, and stock fan as a pull (on my new 2 S5s since stock fans on them are appearantly much quieter than it was before, on earlier S5s). It works OK now. where can i order a case? There has been some impressive 3d printing of parts some of which enclose the center of the miner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072176.0It's fairly recent and Bitmain even supported it by sending it's OP a little coin. I would check it out if your thinking about enclosing the S5. i think 3d printing stuff might be overkill. i put a 1/16 inch piece of acrylic on the bottom (because i havea wire shelf) and cut a piece of card board for the top (for testing purposes) and now my blades are the same temp. before they were 4-5c apart and one would always be hotter. now they are the exact same temp most of the time. ant this is just with some crappy cardboard cut out. imagine if i had a fully enclosed aluminum case. I dont have the tools to make a metal case or a plastic one for the matter. maybe really glossy poster board will work since it has a more smooth surface. which might be better for airflow. Considering the heat generated, paper is a bad idea. NO there isn't, unless you suspect Spark or Flame. Papers ignition is tempature 218–246c The ignition temperature of corrugated cardboard is 427 C, or 800 F Source: http://www.tis-gdv.de/tis_e/ware/papier/wellpapp/wellpapp.htm
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