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[MoonShadow]

Either with McCain or Romney all this total lying and disregard for humanity would not be occurring.  The fundamental dishonesty of this President is no longer astonishing, and it is just a dismal everyday reality. 

Seriously!?  Both of these neocons are on Obama's side on all of this, they are just sore that they lost!  Do you really think that Gitmo would be any more closed with McCain, or that ObamaCare would be any less of a disaster under Romney?  Or even vise versa?

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[Spendulus]

Either with McCain or Romney all this total lying and disregard for humanity would not be occurring.  The fundamental dishonesty of this President is no longer astonishing, and it is just a dismal everyday reality. 

Seriously!?  Both of these neocons are on Obama's side on all of this, they are just sore that they lost!  Do you really think that Gitmo would be any more closed with McCain, or that ObamaCare would be any less of a disaster under Romney?  Or even vise versa?

Hell yes.  Obviously.  And unfortunately.  The Democrats create stupid socialist schemes, the Republicans make them work.

As for Gitmo I couldn't care less if it was open or closed, but the prisoners there deserve due process.  My opinion, I really don't care if they have no right to due process according to some asshole military lawyer or politician.

[hawkeye]

Either with McCain or Romney all this total lying and disregard for humanity would not be occurring.

 

Ok, I'll give you the first one, but only because instead of lying, there would be a lot of sleeping and snoring. Though I am not sure I would have been able to handle 4 years of "Don'cha'no" and compulsive winking...

Romney was lying throughout his campaign, too. They all always are. It's their job.

You don't get into politics by telling the truth.

"Hey, you know this whole democracy thing where we can take people's money and vote to spend it to benefit everyone?  Doesn't work.  You can't physically make everyone better off, you can only rob from one person to give to another.   With a lot of waste going on in between.  Which means most of you won't be better off under my rule.  Vote for me!"

[hawkeye]

Hell yes.  Obviously.  And unfortunately.  The Democrats create stupid socialist schemes, the Republicans make them work.

So socialism works, it just has to be the right people in charge?

[Spendulus]

Hell yes.  Obviously.  And unfortunately.  The Democrats create stupid socialist schemes, the Republicans make them work.

So socialism works, it just has to be the right people in charge?

Sure.

It works great.

Until you run out of other peoples' money.

[Wilikon]

Hell yes.  Obviously.  And unfortunately.  The Democrats create stupid socialist schemes, the Republicans make them work.

So socialism works, it just has to be the right people in charge?

Sure.

It works great.

Until you run out of other peoples' money.

The Iron Lady's best quote.

[Wilikon]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2538638


Reporters with the Society of American Business Editors and Writers received “training” on how to cover Obamacare’s rollout from a policy expert who works with President Obama’s former health information technology adviser.

The Commonwealth Fund’s Sara Collins claimed during the training that healthcare.gov’s chronic dysfunctionality does not signify “deeper issues” with the law.

“I don’t think it signifies deeper problems, I think it is a website issue,” Collins told SABEW during the Oct. 28 training seminar.

Her optimistic take on the law’s difficulties is unsurprising since she works for an organization led by David Blumenthal, who was President Obama’s national coordinator for health information technology from 2009 to 2011.

[Rassah]

"Hey, you know this whole democracy thing where we can take people's money and vote to spend it to benefit everyone?  Doesn't work.  You can't physically make everyone better off, you can only rob from one person to give to another.   With a lot of waste going on in between.  Which means most of you won't be better off under my rule.  Vote for me!"

BitTorrent is forcing people to rethink about the ethics and freedoms associated with copyright and digitalproperty ownership. I think Bitcoin will force people to rethink about the ethics and freedoms associated with democracy for the same reasons. From my sig, in case it's too small to read

"Perhaps no where else in modern society is the threat of Democracy devolving into Ochlocracy given so dangerous an incentive as it is with Bitcoin. If there is any politics in Bitcoin, it would be this lesson: the necessity of mustering the individuals to prevent this Tyranny of the Majority against the rights of all to the freedom of transaction." - NewLiberty

This is refering specifically to the danger of a 51% majority in bitcoin, which is now taught as a "bad thing" to everyone using bitcoin.

[Wilikon]

"Hey, you know this whole democracy thing where we can take people's money and vote to spend it to benefit everyone?  Doesn't work.  You can't physically make everyone better off, you can only rob from one person to give to another.   With a lot of waste going on in between.  Which means most of you won't be better off under my rule.  Vote for me!"

BitTorrent is forcing people to rethink about the ethics and freedoms associated with copyright and digitalproperty ownership. I think Bitcoin will force people to rethink about the ethics and freedoms associated with democracy for the same reasons. From my sig, in case it's too small to read

"Perhaps no where else in modern society is the threat of Democracy devolving into Ochlocracy given so dangerous an incentive as it is with Bitcoin. If there is any politics in Bitcoin, it would be this lesson: the necessity of mustering the individuals to prevent this Tyranny of the Majority against the rights of all to the freedom of transaction." - NewLiberty

This is refering specifically to the danger of a 51% majority in bitcoin, which is now taught as a "bad thing" to everyone using bitcoin.

hopefully this decentralized vision will expand the mindset and collapse most of the status quo models people believe they have the false choices to. This could be the reason most people here, from hardcore communists to anarchists, to atheists to believers feel comfortable (most of the time) talking to each other. Anyway I have a lot of fun reading stuff that are not part of my Utopian vision here, thanks to Bitcoin.

[hawkeye]

BitTorrent is forcing people to rethink about the ethics and freedoms associated with copyright and digitalproperty ownership. I think Bitcoin will force people to rethink about the ethics and freedoms associated with democracy for the same reasons. From my sig, in case it's too small to read

"Perhaps no where else in modern society is the threat of Democracy devolving into Ochlocracy given so dangerous an incentive as it is with Bitcoin. If there is any politics in Bitcoin, it would be this lesson: the necessity of mustering the individuals to prevent this Tyranny of the Majority against the rights of all to the freedom of transaction." - NewLiberty

This is refering specifically to the danger of a 51% majority in bitcoin, which is now taught as a "bad thing" to everyone using bitcoin.

I like that quote.  You should make it larger.

[Wilikon]

Obama Cares...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/8/miller-obama-plays-150-rounds-golf-president/

President Obama’s approval ratings may be stuck in a sand trap, but that has not deterred him from sticking to his weekly round of golf. After teeing off on Saturday at the private course in Florida where the film “Caddy Shack” was filmed, Mr. Obama hit the milestone number of 150 golf rounds in less than five years in the White House.

The Secret Service loaded Mr. Obama’s golf clubs bag emblazoned with the presidential seal into the motorcade Saturday morning to head to the private Grande Oaks Golf Club. Sporting a blue polo shirt with tan slacks and a cap, he spent five hours on the private course with former NBA star Alonzo Mourning, friend Cyrus Walker and former U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk.

Mr. Obama wasn’t much of a duffer before he ran for president. His regularity on the green started on April 26, 2009. He played 27 times that first year in office, seven of which were during his vacations on Martha’s Vineyard and Hawaii.

During his second year as president, Mr. Obama played a little more — 30 rounds. He included a woman for only the second time when Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius joined on Oct. 10, 2010.

Perhaps time on the links gave them time to discuss all the people they knew would lose their insurance when Obamacare was implemented. Ms. Sebelius also joined the president on the golf course on May 18 this year.

[beetcoin]

i'm not completely defending him here, but what is he supposed to do from his desk in the oval office? complaining about obama golfing with the superstorm hitting the phillippines sounds like a fox news ploy to bash obama. i take more issue with his foreign policy/drone strikes, increasing the state police autonomy, and being in the pocket of big business and banks.

[Mike Christ]

Sounds like he's trying to avoid his feelings of guilt.

[Wilikon]

i'm not completely defending him here, but what is he supposed to do from his desk in the oval office? complaining about obama golfing with the superstorm hitting the phillippines sounds like a fox news ploy to bash obama. i take more issue with his foreign policy/drone strikes, increasing the state police autonomy, and being in the pocket of big business and banks.

You are totally right. It was a cheap shot from me. Let's talk a bit more about him being in the pocket of big businesses instead shall we?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/08/the-new-york-times-endorsed-a-secretive-trade-agreement-that-the-public-cant-read/

The Obama administration is secretly negotiating a treaty that could have significant effects on domestic law. Officially, it’s a “free trade” treaty among Pacific rim countries, but a section of the draft agreement leaked in 2011 suggested that it will require signers, including the United States, to make significant changes to copyright law and enforcement measures.

Strangely, the administration seems to be encouraging the public to have a debate on the treaty before they know what’s in it. The Office of the United States Trade Representative has solicited comments about the treaty on its Web site, but there is no particularly detailed information about the content of the agreement, or a draft of the current version of the proposal.

Now, as Maira Sutton at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) notes, the New York Times editorial board has endorsed the TPP. While the editorial acknowledges that some are “worried about provisions on intellectual property that could restrict the availability of generic medicines and grant longer copyright protections to big media companies,” it nevertheless argues that a “good deal” would “not only help individual countries but set an example for global trade talks.”

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Now I understand why he went Golfing. It is hard work screwing up the "little people" all day long using his forked tongue.

[Spendulus]

Sounds like he's trying to avoid his feelings of guilt.

insufficient attribution of sociopathic tendencies....

[Rassah]

Perhaps we should ask Bush why he was playing golf while starting to wage the war in Iraq. Maybe they have similar reasons for going off to play.

[MoonShadow]

Perhaps we should ask Bush why he was playing golf while starting to wage the war in Iraq. Maybe they have similar reasons for going off to play.

Of course they do.  Neither is really in charge of anything.

[Spendulus]

Perhaps we should ask Bush why he was playing golf while starting to wage the war in Iraq. Maybe they have similar reasons for going off to play.

Of course they do.  Neither is really in charge of anything.

Being practical and proactive, we should just continue the fine Chicago gangster Democratic and liberal tradition of "Blame it on Bush."

Everything should be blamed on Bush, for at least the next century or two.  The Phillipines storm - just like Katrina - was the result of Bush ignoring climate controls and letting people do anything they wanted with carbon.

Bengazi...the IRS scandal...Fast and Furious.....BUSH'S FAULT!

[Wilikon]

Bill Clinton: 'President Should Honor the Commitment' and Let People Keep Their Insurance Plans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yVy-RXhxQ

[Rassah]

Perhaps we should ask Bush why he was playing golf while starting to wage the war in Iraq. Maybe they have similar reasons for going off to play.

Of course they do.  Neither is really in charge of anything.

Being practical and proactive, we should just continue the fine Chicago gangster Democratic and liberal tradition of "Blame it on Bush."

I'm not blaming it on Bush, just saying it's no different from that supposedly completely other guy, whom many of the people blaming Obama have not blaimed for the exact same thing. If you say that Bush did a lot of bad stuff, and now Obama is doing a lot of the same bad stuff, I agree with you. If you were sitting ildly by and ignoring things that Bush did, but then suddenly started to complain about them when Obama got into office, then you'd just be a hypocrite, or at the least disingenuous.