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[MoonShadow]

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.  Obama espoused his good intentions of having everybody covered for a low cost.  The reality is this cannot happen, especially when all other insurance in the US is for catastrophes - not day to day expenses.  Health insurance shouldn't cover well child visits or annual checkups - those the patient should be paying for.... but that would require the patient be responsible for their own fricking body - something I see in less than 20% of my patients now.

I don't think it was so much a good intention, but rather a way to spread his liberal ideals of having a big government. He knew that people would not be able to keep their health plan, yet he promised that people would be able to do so. He raised taxes on everyone in order to pay for this new social program.

He said the average family would save $2500.

They didn't.

My plan more than doubled in cost.

I really hope that Obamacare program will eventually succeed in USA, in the present or modified form, now or later in the future.
I have many friends in uSA and their biggest concern is what will happen if they become sick because they can't afford health care.
You call this universal health care socialism but for us, in Europe, this is perfectly normal, that government provide basic health care for everyone.
If you want better health service, you pay.

Despite popular belief, this is also true in the United States generally, but not on a national level.  Some states actually sponsor something very close to a universal health care system for anyone who isn't covered privately (and in some states, many who are).  Each state does things a bit differently, and the process is rarely widely known, but no state doesn't do it at all.  Before Obamacare was passed, roughly half of all medical care spending was some stage of government agency; usually state or local.  After all, even Medicaid is legally a state by state program, as it's technically forbidden to be a federal program under the Constitution.  The federal Medicaid legal language is written in such a way that it's just regulation of a common state program.

BTW, my state of Kentucky does it piecemeal.  There is a state program specificly to cover otherwise uncovered children (passport), one to cover the elderly & disabled, one to cover other poor adults (medicaid), as well as a network of free public clinics in urban areas wherein doctors get a tax deduction for volunteering for a couple days a month.  My three youngest children are covered both by my employer sponsored plan & passport.  Under normal circumstances, just about anyone can get passport for their kids, but it's always "secondary" to a parent's coverage, so there simply isn't any economic reason for most middle class adults to bother, since Passport will never actually pay out for their kids.  In my case, however, the situation is legally reversed because those three kids were adopted as former wards of the state; so the law regards it similar to a divorced parent remarrying.  Since the state was their legal guardian before I was, the state's coverage pays for them first.  But, of course, only them; passport does nothing for my natural kids.

There is also the law that requires publicly licensed hospitals to admit and treat anyone with an emergency condition, regardless of citizenship or ability to pay for services.  In that case, the hospital simply deducts those losses on their regular corporate taxes; so in a roundabout way, taxpayers still support that kind of coverage as well.

So, since Europe also sponsors government health care on a nation-by-nation basis, it's not really different.  There is no European Union wide program, but there also exists a form of EU 'standardization' program.  If you think of US states as what they are, mini-nations within a larger union; then the comparision to Europe become much more fair.

[2dogs]

The quality of health care will has decreased in the US and the cost will has gone up as the government gets more and more involved in it

FiFY


Losses of the insurance companies are backstopped by the taxpayers.
Insurance premiums have gone up - we are NOT able to keep our same doctors, as promised.

It is a tax, with compliance under the IRS.

[MoonShadow]

Honestly, I'd like to know where all the American supporters of this law have vanished to.  I'd like to find out if they still stand by their prior support, and if not, why not?

[Wilikon]

Honestly, I'd like to know where all the American supporters of this law have vanished to.  I'd like to find out if they still stand by their prior support, and if not, why not?

The 0bama lied people will die meme may hit all who supported that law...

[picolo]

The quality of health care will has decreased in the US and the cost will has gone up as the government gets more and more involved in it

FiFY


Losses of the insurance companies are backstopped by the taxpayers.
Insurance premiums have gone up - we are NOT able to keep our same doctors, as promised.

It is a tax, with compliance under the IRS.

And when the situation will get even worse, those in favor of a government control health care system will say the health care system needs even more government intervention to take care of the problems.

[MelodyRowell]

The quality of health care will has decreased in the US and the cost will has gone up as the government gets more and more involved in it

FiFY


Losses of the insurance companies are backstopped by the taxpayers.
Insurance premiums have gone up - we are NOT able to keep our same doctors, as promised.

It is a tax, with compliance under the IRS.

This is true but only to an extent. Insurance companies should be pricing the risk of having to pay claims and may need to face some level of losses but after a certain threshold of losses the government will step in and cover additional losses to the insurer

[Spendulus]

The quality of health care will has decreased in the US and the cost will has gone up as the government gets more and more involved in it

FiFY


Losses of the insurance companies are backstopped by the taxpayers.
Insurance premiums have gone up - we are NOT able to keep our same doctors, as promised.

It is a tax, with compliance under the IRS.

And when the situation will get even worse, those in favor of a government control health care system will say the health care system needs even more government intervention to take care of the problems.

GENERALLY, that's the way socialists behave, but that may not be true in this case.  There is such a thing as a clearly botched up job, that's really what o-care was and is.  I suspect they will work under the table to push their socialist shit while relying on the republicans to make the thing business like efficient.

Thus making lackeys of the repubs. 

[Wilikon]

Hitler Finds Out Field Marshal Gruber Spilled the Beans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKhkQqA53v0

[Wilikon]

Health care push comes to bars, nail salons


The pitch for health care coverage is being made at nail salons, pizzerias, mosques and even bars.
As the second enrollment period under President Barack Obama's health care law begins, advocates are employing new tactics and expanding old ones to reach people who need insurance. Some groups are targeting populations they believe slipped through the cracks during the last enrollment period.
"We've had great success at laundromats," said Robin Stockton, the navigator program director for the Center for Family Services, a nonprofit based in Camden, New Jersey.
The informal chat between wash-and-dry cycles can pique interest and lead some customers to call their hotline for more information, she said.

"Typically," she said, "the question you get back is: 'Is this that Obamacare thing?'"
Open enrollment started Saturday and runs until Feb. 15. The HealthCare.gov website, where people can sign up and search for coverage, appeared to be running smoothly Saturday.
Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia M. Burwell tweeted that the website opened shortly after 1 a.m., with more than 23,000 people submitting applications within the first eight hours. She said 1.2 million unique visitors looked at coverage using the site's window-shopping tool in the last week.
In Washington state, though, the health care exchange shut down after the first few hours of open enrollment as state officials and software engineers tried to resolve a problem with tax credit calculations.
And just days before open enrollment, an old video clip surfaced showing an adviser who helped draft the law saying "the stupidity of the American voter" helped Democrats pass the complex legislation. Obama, just before leaving an economic summit in Australia on Sunday, said the public was not misled about provisions of the law. He said there was no provision that was not extensively debated or made fully transparent.

The Obama administration aims to have 9.1 million paying customers enrolled in 2015. That's well below the 13 million that the Congressional Budget Office had projected.
In Philadelphia, Enroll America organizer Neil Rickett is armed with a list of 500 bars and restaurants as he makes his way through downtown, popping in and out of eateries. He approaches bartenders, wait staff and other service industry workers whose high turnover and odd hours often result in a lack of health coverage. He gets workers' contact information and sometimes schedules appointments to meet with them.
"By going to them, we're upping our chance of getting the people we missed or didn't get enrolled last time," Rickett said.
In New Jersey, Stockton's nonprofit is among the community-based groups guiding people through the enrollment process. When they aren't taking appointments, the 17 navigators take their enrollment message on the road.
The helpers set up tables of brochures at festivals and malls. They make cold calls to pizza parlors, Chinese restaurants and other small businesses where they sometimes post information on bulletin boards. And with encrypted tablets and mobile offices, they have signed people up for coverage at churches, synagogues, mosques and a Buddhist temple.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20141116/us--health_overhaul-enrollment_outreach-4f701aeec8.html

[Spendulus]

Honestly, I'd like to know where all the American supporters of this law have vanished to.  I'd like to find out if they still stand by their prior support, and if not, why not?

The 0bama lied people will die meme may hit all who supported that law...

Can we bring back tar and feathers?

[Wilikon]

Honestly, I'd like to know where all the American supporters of this law have vanished to.  I'd like to find out if they still stand by their prior support, and if not, why not?

The 0bama lied people will die meme may hit all who supported that law...

Can we bring back tar and feathers?

Bring it back. As a public utility service...

[Wilikon]

Democrat Senator: We All Knew Obama Was Lying About Obamacare (Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvH3XuTiWk

On ABC’s This Week Sunday morning Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand told Martha Raddatz that Democrats all know Obama was lying about Obamacare.

Martha Raddatz: Did you feel misled by Obama?

Sen. Gillibrand: He should have just been more specific. Because the point is, if you’re being offered a terrible health care plan that the minute you get sick you’re going to have to go into bankruptcy. Those plans should never be offered.

Raddatz: So were you misled?

Gillibrand: He should have just been specific. No, we all knew the whole point of the plan is to cover things people need like preventive care, birth control, pregnancy. How many women the minute they get pregnant might risk their coverage? How many paid more because of their gender, because they might get pregnant? Those are the reforms we’re talking about.


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They all knew 0bamacare was never about saving money or cheap healthcare plans for everyone... They all knew, all the democrats. How can some still support this abomination is beyond a lot of sane people...

[Wilikon]

Gruber-gate gets to Obama: ‘No, I did not’ mislead Americans

All the president’s men could not shield the commander-in-chief from fallout surrounding recently uncovered comments made by Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber.

The health policy and implementation expert who worked closely on the Affordable Care Act and the Massachusetts health care reform law has backed the administration into a corner after it was revealed he repeatedly celebrated the misleading way in which the law was crafted and the “stupidity” of the American voter over whose eyes the wool was pulled.

“The fact that an adviser who was never on our staff expressed an opinion that I completely disagree with in terms of the voters is not a reflection on the actual process that was run,” Obama told reporters in Australia where he is attending a G-20 summit.

When asked directly if he or his administration had, as Gruber insisted, intentionally misled the public and oversight organizations like the Congressional Budget Office when they crafted the Accordable Care Act, Obama’s reply was terse and direct. “No,” he said. “I did not.”

Obama was joined on Sunday by Health and Human Services Sec. Sylvia Burwell who appeared on Meet the Press to distance herself and the administration from Gruber.

“I have to start with how fundamentally I disagree with his comments about the bill and about the American people,” she began emphatically.

Burwell was, however, not asked to respond to those comments. She was asked by moderator Chuck Todd about whether what Gruber said about “mislabeling” new taxes on health insurance plans as fees was true.

Neither the secretary nor Obama addressed Gruber’s charge directly because it is impossible to deny its accuracy.

It is not the first time the president has been pulled into a controversy over the implementation of Obamacare. After weeks of controversy following a cascade of Americans who lost their individual coverage plans which were not compliant with new Obamacare regulations last year, the president was forced to issue a personal apology.

“I am sorry that they– you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me,” Obama told Todd in the fall of 2013.

Just days after Obama issued this apology, however, it was revealed that the president was aware that millions of noncompliant plans would be cancelled. Despite his apology for the incorrect assertion Obama made on numerous occasions, that you could keep your plan if you liked your plan, the administration knew this was not true.

“That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them,” NBC News reported.

Anyone who followed the Obamacare debate in 2009 and 2010 is already aware that Obama was not being truthful when he denied that the ACA was written to evade scrutiny. Though noting that it is an imperfect feature of the American system, intellectually honest liberals who support the law are already defending the lamentable practice of deceptively crafting legislation so that it avoids creating controversy.

So how long will it be before Barack Obama is forced to walk back his definitive declaration that he never knew the ACA was crafted so as to mislead the people’s representatives who passed it?


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/16/gruber-gate-gets-to-obama-no-i-did-not-mislead-americans/

[picolo]

Gruber-gate gets to Obama: ‘No, I did not’ mislead Americans

All the president’s men could not shield the commander-in-chief from fallout surrounding recently uncovered comments made by Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber.

The health policy and implementation expert who worked closely on the Affordable Care Act and the Massachusetts health care reform law has backed the administration into a corner after it was revealed he repeatedly celebrated the misleading way in which the law was crafted and the “stupidity” of the American voter over whose eyes the wool was pulled.

“The fact that an adviser who was never on our staff expressed an opinion that I completely disagree with in terms of the voters is not a reflection on the actual process that was run,” Obama told reporters in Australia where he is attending a G-20 summit.

When asked directly if he or his administration had, as Gruber insisted, intentionally misled the public and oversight organizations like the Congressional Budget Office when they crafted the Accordable Care Act, Obama’s reply was terse and direct. “No,” he said. “I did not.”

Obama was joined on Sunday by Health and Human Services Sec. Sylvia Burwell who appeared on Meet the Press to distance herself and the administration from Gruber.

“I have to start with how fundamentally I disagree with his comments about the bill and about the American people,” she began emphatically.

Burwell was, however, not asked to respond to those comments. She was asked by moderator Chuck Todd about whether what Gruber said about “mislabeling” new taxes on health insurance plans as fees was true.

Neither the secretary nor Obama addressed Gruber’s charge directly because it is impossible to deny its accuracy.

It is not the first time the president has been pulled into a controversy over the implementation of Obamacare. After weeks of controversy following a cascade of Americans who lost their individual coverage plans which were not compliant with new Obamacare regulations last year, the president was forced to issue a personal apology.

“I am sorry that they– you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me,” Obama told Todd in the fall of 2013.

Just days after Obama issued this apology, however, it was revealed that the president was aware that millions of noncompliant plans would be cancelled. Despite his apology for the incorrect assertion Obama made on numerous occasions, that you could keep your plan if you liked your plan, the administration knew this was not true.

“That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them,” NBC News reported.

Anyone who followed the Obamacare debate in 2009 and 2010 is already aware that Obama was not being truthful when he denied that the ACA was written to evade scrutiny. Though noting that it is an imperfect feature of the American system, intellectually honest liberals who support the law are already defending the lamentable practice of deceptively crafting legislation so that it avoids creating controversy.

So how long will it be before Barack Obama is forced to walk back his definitive declaration that he never knew the ACA was crafted so as to mislead the people’s representatives who passed it?


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/16/gruber-gate-gets-to-obama-no-i-did-not-mislead-americans/

Obama avoided impeachment but he will remember by those who studying its actions as one of the worst president because he lied, grew government which lower freedoms and tried to shut down tea parties associations through the IRS

[Wilikon]

Gruber-gate gets to Obama: ‘No, I did not’ mislead Americans

All the president’s men could not shield the commander-in-chief from fallout surrounding recently uncovered comments made by Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber.

The health policy and implementation expert who worked closely on the Affordable Care Act and the Massachusetts health care reform law has backed the administration into a corner after it was revealed he repeatedly celebrated the misleading way in which the law was crafted and the “stupidity” of the American voter over whose eyes the wool was pulled.

“The fact that an adviser who was never on our staff expressed an opinion that I completely disagree with in terms of the voters is not a reflection on the actual process that was run,” Obama told reporters in Australia where he is attending a G-20 summit.

When asked directly if he or his administration had, as Gruber insisted, intentionally misled the public and oversight organizations like the Congressional Budget Office when they crafted the Accordable Care Act, Obama’s reply was terse and direct. “No,” he said. “I did not.”

Obama was joined on Sunday by Health and Human Services Sec. Sylvia Burwell who appeared on Meet the Press to distance herself and the administration from Gruber.

“I have to start with how fundamentally I disagree with his comments about the bill and about the American people,” she began emphatically.

Burwell was, however, not asked to respond to those comments. She was asked by moderator Chuck Todd about whether what Gruber said about “mislabeling” new taxes on health insurance plans as fees was true.

Neither the secretary nor Obama addressed Gruber’s charge directly because it is impossible to deny its accuracy.

It is not the first time the president has been pulled into a controversy over the implementation of Obamacare. After weeks of controversy following a cascade of Americans who lost their individual coverage plans which were not compliant with new Obamacare regulations last year, the president was forced to issue a personal apology.

“I am sorry that they– you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me,” Obama told Todd in the fall of 2013.

Just days after Obama issued this apology, however, it was revealed that the president was aware that millions of noncompliant plans would be cancelled. Despite his apology for the incorrect assertion Obama made on numerous occasions, that you could keep your plan if you liked your plan, the administration knew this was not true.

“That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them,” NBC News reported.

Anyone who followed the Obamacare debate in 2009 and 2010 is already aware that Obama was not being truthful when he denied that the ACA was written to evade scrutiny. Though noting that it is an imperfect feature of the American system, intellectually honest liberals who support the law are already defending the lamentable practice of deceptively crafting legislation so that it avoids creating controversy.

So how long will it be before Barack Obama is forced to walk back his definitive declaration that he never knew the ACA was crafted so as to mislead the people’s representatives who passed it?


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/16/gruber-gate-gets-to-obama-no-i-did-not-mislead-americans/

Obama avoided impeachment but he will remember by those who studying its actions as one of the worst president because he lied, grew government which lower freedoms and tried to shut down tea parties associations through the IRS

His minions are already hard at work trying everything to scrub his presidency and the internet. I believe this to be an impossible task. My conspiracy mind wants to believe that is why he wants to take over the Internet as a utility service, among other things

[Wilikon]

Obama In 2006: I’ve Stolen Ideas From Jon Gruber Liberally... (VIDEO)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yoHcOhF0U

Then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_e00NjQvFM

But

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQOuVeolN6g

... Interesting...

[Wilikon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/us/politics/health-law-turns-obama-and-insurers-into-allies.html?_r=0


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0bamacare an amazing deal for insurers, not so much for anyone else. The NYT knew that all along...

[Wilikon]

Obama 2012 Campaign Press Release: Gruber “Helped Write Obamacare”



The Obama administration can try to distance itself from Jonathan Gruber all it wants, but a 2012 press release from Obama’s own presidential campaign  shows that when it comes to Obamacare, the president and Gruber are joined at the hip.

The White House understandably wants to distance itself from Gruber. A series of videos that feature him bragging about his role in deceptively crafting Obamacare have started to come out, and they’re not even remotely helpful to the Obama administration. While on camera, Gruber claimed that lack of transparency in the law was a good thing, that the administration’s rhetoric about the so-called Cadillac tax was a complete lie, and that the lies were all necessary because stupid American voters were too dumb to know what was good for them.


http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/18/obama-2012-campaign-press-release-gruber-helped-write-obamacare/

[Wilikon]

Jonathan Gruber Convinced Obama To Create The Individual and Employer Mandates


Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber convinced President Barack Obama to create the individual and employer mandates in the health care law, which Obama originally opposed as a presidential candidate.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, an obscure but influential left-wing group called the Herndon Alliance approached the campaigns of Obama and fellow Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and John Edwards to get all three major Democrats on board with health care reform. The candidates came up with differing plans. Of the three, Obama positioned himself as an opponent of mandates. […]

After Obama won the presidential election in November 2008, he added Gruber to his transition team. The New York Times later reported that Gruber became “Mr. Mandate” on the Obama health care reform team. Obama finally announced his support for the mandate in July 2009, the very same month that he met personally with Gruber in the Oval Office. Obama’s decision was made during a series of Obamacare-designing White House meetings, of which Gruber was present at five.

“It is his research that convinced the Obama administration that health care reform could not work without requiring everyone to buy insurance,” the Times reported in 2012, when Gruber was publicly hoping the Supreme Court would uphold the constitutionality of the individual mandate, which it eventually did.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/17/jonathan-gruber-convinced-obama-to-create-the-individual-and-employer-mandates-video/



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0bama: "Some adviser” I just found out about..."

[Wilikon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmtaCZmzKWo