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December 27, 2019, 01:20:18 PM
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follow the fist AMA and win 10 agrs tokens....

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December 27, 2019, 04:54:11 PM
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follow the fist AMA and win 10 agrs tokens....

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I don't have Telegram. When will it be posted online?
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December 28, 2019, 06:52:17 PM
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follow the fist AMA and win 10 agrs tokens....

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I don't have Telegram. When will it be posted online?

I've made it into a transcript here  Smileyhttps://steemit.com/tauchain/@dyor/ohad-asor-tauchain-interview-ama-cryptosky-and-community
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December 31, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Last edit: December 31, 2019, 02:48:57 PM by Eventine
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Tau Breakthrough Milestone: Consensus Detection Begins to Work!
Thanks to Ohad's hard work on the TML and Tomas for implementing the bot that supports consensus detection.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tauchain/comments/ei25io/milestone_consensus_detection_begins_to_work/
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January 06, 2020, 12:54:44 AM
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https://youtu.be/xv84BxQRn1M

Tau Chain Monthly Video Update for December is out!
Text Summary below:

Tomas

- IRC TML bot created, allowing multiple users to use TML in the chat, create databases, find intersections with other databases (consensus detection). It understands commands in TML itself, acting as a REPL which can simply be extended by UI or integrated into other software.

- Being the first real program written in TML it's a prototype so it delegates some activities to system scripts. Dragan Juan and Tomas will be moving functionality from system scripts to TML.

- Wish to make the bot updatable by itself users. This involves putting the source code into the database, so when the latter is altered the program changes. This process of collaborative code update allows us to create Alpha together.

Andrei

- Created prototype UI for TML/Alpha https://idni.multilink.cloud/

- Allows for TML only discussions, natural language English discussions, friend lists, etc.

- Automatically translates English statements in TML logic and uploads relevant subclasses. This functionality should improve in accuracy with time.

- This UI is tentative of course, a UI expert will eventually be hired.

- Opinion over opinions will also be supported at some point in the future.

- Also there's a sentiment analysis and entity detection bot in telegram/IRC that will help us understand the logic further.

Juan

- Worked on TML arithmetic support. Arithmetic function not only over universal symbols but specifically over subsets, which will make it more efficient. For example if we have two subsets {0 2} {1 3} and wish to apply the addition operator, (0+1, 0+3, 2+1, 2+3), it ends in a subset C {3 5 1}. This was implemented over BDDs in bitwise operations for addition and are very close to completing it for multiplication (over the next few days).

Fola

- Significant progress made on the legal side. Awaiting a public statement from lawyers regarding this, which will hopefully arrive pretty soon. This will reveal what's been done on the legal end over the past few months.

- Currently reading drafts of the whitepaper which will hopefully be ready for public release pretty soon

Ohad

- We can already imagine the power of Tomas' IRC bot being implemented in a UI such as what Andrei showed us. This would go a long way to making our technology more accessible to the masses. Of course, allowing natural languages will also make it much easier as users will not have to express themselves in formal logic.

- We're proud to have reached the milestone of working consensus detection in 2019 =)

- After Umar created a parser for first and second order logic, implemented transformation of formulas to Linux in conjunctive normal form. Umar's next task will be to working on context free parsing ability in TML, a field in which he's an expert.

- Dragan enhanced more of the builtin support we already made and is working on a fundamental change in TML: flexibility in changing bit order within BDDs. With dynamic bits, we can support types and everything will be more intuitive eg. When you say not something, you can associate it with something else. This feature will also help with performance, as without it right now, we use more bits than we really need, which means exponentially larger BDDs.

- Ohad himself continued researching second order logic and is considering the ability to use reflection. Reflection is an important concept in programming languages in general, but in TML to reflect the interpreter internal data would be to reflect the BDDs.

- Turing machines and many other models of computation such as Random Access Machine are infinite by definition and therefore not realizable as our physical computers don't have infinite memory.

Now if we take such a Turing or Random Access machine and limit it to a fixed amount of memory, then firstly intrigued listeners can think about why the halting problem for such machines is decidable. Secondly, running such a machine is a task in PSPACE and thus double directly in TML. Because Turing machine or Random Access machine or Automaton are basically only transition relations which are nothing more than 4 arity or 5 arity relations.

This means simulating a machine with constant memory can be done in TML right now. Once we have second order logic we can synthesize programs from requirements. But to simulate even an assembly language, as long as it has fixed memory, can be done in TML right now.

This has a huge implication: this means we can take any program in any language and compile it to TML, while it won't be equivalent to the original program, the point of equivalence will never be practically visible because it will be exactly when we run out of memory. By that we can compile OSes or even TML itself in this automatic way with which we can do something things by converting arbitrary machine code to TML.

- We've also been thinking about incentives or gaming mechanisms to encourage users to participate in the alpha and/or formalize knowledge so Ohad was playing with the idea of a point system incentivized debating platform, which is just a generalization of discussion platform as a discussion is just a debate with winners and losers.
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January 06, 2020, 02:19:34 AM
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Text summary of the community QandA for December is not available

https://www.reddit.com/r/tauchain/comments/ekn769/tauchain_community_qanda_summary_december_2019/
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January 14, 2020, 12:03:33 PM
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Check out the new Tau fansite for exclusive articles and take part in the forums to get the discussion going before the real discussion on Alpha Smiley

www.tauchainfans.com
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January 16, 2020, 02:15:48 AM
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Chaoex with spread from 3k to 30k sats all other exchanges still at like 30 cents. What is going on there?

$MAID & $BTC other than that some short hodls and some long held garbage.
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January 16, 2020, 09:46:15 AM
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Chaoex with spread from 3k to 30k sats all other exchanges still at like 30 cents. What is going on there?

Faulty metrics either provided from the Chaoex Exchange to Coinmarketcap or by coinmarketcap themselves, the tradings which would have made for this spike have not occured in the chaoex agrs/btc list, the selling price at current time of speaking is $0,35 / 0,0041 SATS ( @ BCEX exchange )

We'll get to this given AGRS price later on this year tho  Grin Wink
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January 17, 2020, 03:56:40 AM
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The chaoex book was showing 75-100 agrs buys and sells around the median of the spread but yeah bcex didnt budge, and both coinmarketcap and coingecko show flags for chaoex. I want to trade but ive been burned on exchanges before so hodling out of this pump.

$MAID & $BTC other than that some short hodls and some long held garbage.
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February 01, 2020, 12:56:09 PM
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January 2020 monthly dev update video for Tauchain is now out!
https://youtu.be/oProG45Qeow

Text Summary:

Tomas
- Improved TML debugging capabilities which allows step by step debugging
- Added ability to see changes in the program made in the database and adding debugging features to the bot. Also will soon allow adding info about database changes and reason about these changes in the program itself, eg setting up breakpoints depending on some change in the database

Andrei
- Working on TML interaction playground
- Supports creating a discussion and replying in English
- Automatically creates a discussion tree for every time within the discussion

Juan
- Continued work on arithmetic support
- BDDs multiplication problem mentioned last month was more difficult than expected. We'll soon have a prototype of a working solution better than a direct approach
- Gives an example of pairwise multiplication and 1024 bits numbers multiplication over BDDs, reducing exponential complexity
Refer to minute 7 of the video for more detailed technical explanation

Fola
- Legal work mostly done, which enables us to get onto European exchanges. Spoken to many exchanges, narrowing down what would be suitable and valuable for us. We are looking at Bittrex Global as a possibility, which the community has been asking about, among others
- Hiring: Hoping to get Umar on board next month, as well as looking for an RND manager
- Redesiging website and improve branding
- Whitepaper coming together and hopefully ready by mid March

Ohad
- Dragan continuing work on reording BDDs to make them dynamic
- Consensus detection is already working and now we can see an opinion map functioning from Andrei's update. Tomas enhanced the repl
- Helping an engineering professor complete the whitepaper
- Made some progress on second order logic mainly in adapting from the literature solving boolean equation in full second order logic. I've been considering three things:
1. gives more depth to BDDs and BDDs represent shallow data, a set of string of bits, but what if the bits represent something like a tree?
2. Considering how a generic solver would be like (fwd/bwd propagation based on unification of consequences with premises) which is set theory and is written in this way. So supporting data one step beyond BDDs allows us to get a solver for virtually any theory, especially the decidable theories.
3. Time for us to work on Agoras. We need to create the Agoras team and commence work. Made a major improvement in one of Agoras' aspects in the form of a theoretical breakthrough, but not yet ready to share details publicly yet.
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February 26, 2020, 11:24:52 PM
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The team has been working on listings lately and the first of hopefully many more exchanges to list us recently is Whitebit.

www.whitebit.com

Whitebit is an upcoming exchange based in Europe and is integrated with CMC. We're happy to secure a listings on their platform.

Aside from another place for potential users to trade AGRS, this will also make it easier to get listed on more established exchanges which the team continue to work on.
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March 03, 2020, 11:47:01 AM
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February Tau monthly update video is now out!
https://youtu.be/oYRmJqhLp5g
Includes QandA as usual (QandA text summary can be found on our subreddit)

Tomas

- Adding features which enables a rewrite of the Prototype bot

- Initial networking features added so bot can expand beyond IRC. It's now possible to query TML over UDP socket directly, which allows us to run TML as a database or as a backend for execution of TML programs

- Continued work on serialization and persistence of Binary Decision Diagrams (BDDs) and TML runtime to allow restarting of a TML database backend without a need to recompress stored data through a textual form which is time and space consuming. Also usable but without memory mapping

- Created test runner script for regression testing so we can ensure old features are not broken by new changes.

Andrei

- Continued work on TML interaction playground relating to how discussions over Alpha client may look like. Showcases how discussions and code work around 2:00 in the video

- Discussion tree with mention counters implemented so we can track what's the most frequently mentioned entity in the discussion

- Will focus on TML next month

- Received friend request from Asen Lalov Smiley

Juan

- Continued on the arithmetic features. Wrapping up the features addressed over the last couple of months

- Completing two fundamental sets of operators: General operators (addition, mutiliplication, shift left and shift right) and Over BDDs operators which involved taking two sets of symbols and doing pairwise operations in only those two sets described last month. Successfully tested addition and multiplication as well as bitwise OR and bitwise XOR operators. We just need to complete bitwise NOT set of operators

- Also focusing on improving performance and implementation. Also with the help of Ohad, have been analyzing the theoretical combinations of arithmetic operators and its fundamental operations to reach the ideal implementation.

Fola

- Branding: we have a couple of designers working on a redesign of the logo and website. We're excited with the designs and can't wait to show them to the community once they're finalized

- Exchanges: two routes to get on reputable exchanges, either we have a huge community or by first getting listed on smaller exchanges and working up to bigger exchanges. Exchanges ask what other exchanges you're listed on, so for example, to get onto Gate you need to be listed on HitBTC, and to be listed on HitBTC you need to be on Whitebit etc. Which is why we've listed on Whitebit. We really want community feedback on whether you want us to be listed on HitBTC. We value your input here

- US exchanges are generally more valuable but also more difficult to get on and will not happen in the immediate future

- We also have people with good relationships with exchanges working with us (not sure audio unclear)

- Do check out Whitebit, we're had good communication with them so far. Check it out but of course as with any exchange, be cautious with your funds and don't leave them on there longer than necessary

- Hirings are taking a little longer than anticipated. Looking at an R+D position right now, and Umar will be joining in an official capacity soon, and looking for a researcher to work with Ohad

- Whitepaper is still being worked on

Ohad

- Dragan finished the difficult challenge of dynamic bit ordering of BDDs. Still need testing and enforcing strong types. Now you will need to associate a type with each variable in TML and thus we'll know how many bits to allocate for each type, potentially saving us exponential amount of time and space. This is a fundamentally big change.

- I spent a lot of time studying some rare literature that is very relevant to what we do, especially in the field if Boolean algebra. Basically they're the best methods of logical calculations derived by Bool himself 150 years ago.

- Also been trying to discover how to efficiently and soundly support compound terms. One way is to approach this from the world of monodic second order logic and view this as two relations; one of prefix-order equivalence relations and by manipulating these relations you can in turn manipulate compound terms. Another way is to use a specific data structure for terms (strings) which borrow tricks from BDDs. Another way is to enhance BDDs. We can state the problem like this: as you know BDDs represent a set of bit strings (0s and 1s), but we would like to support a set of bit strings that may be arbitrarily grouped with parenthesis in a way that has to align with unification. This also lead me to consider the problem of homomorphism between structures, trying to solve it inside our framework.

- As you know TML represents data in BDDs, well apparently there's another level below BDDs of data abstraction which is representing them as Boolean equations. BDDs can be seen as explicit solutions to Boolean equations but before solving them we can state the data in an even more succinct level than it is now. Achieving this in TML will not only lead to increase performance but also the ability to express uncertain data, among other benefits. Will also need to build a library for Boolean equations which will allow us access to more features including second order logic.
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March 03, 2020, 06:34:19 PM
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Always like hearing a monthly update. Keep up the good work!

Might I ask to add a Discord channel at some point?

It allows for sub channels to sort various subjects, unlike Telegram where all discussions are in one chat.

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March 22, 2020, 10:09:48 PM
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Ohad recently gave a presentation at Insights Online Blockchain Summit
Sign up to http://insights.finnexus.io/ and see a new video presentation by Ohad on the project!
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April 01, 2020, 12:18:27 AM
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March dev update now out! Please weclome Kilian to the team
Take care during these challenging times everyone

https://youtu.be/GWx5vZsW3Ck

Tomas

- Worked on memory mapping. It allows us to work with very long files and it is also a great way to delegate memory management to operating system.

- Continued on the serialization API. It can work with the memory mapping.

- Rewritten some of my old code regarding outputs and its limitations.

- Updated or added tests for outputs, parse errors, serialization and memory mapping.

- Currently working on memory mapping of the bdds' and also mapping of the TML's input. After that will continue to work on builtins required for reimplementing the bot in TML.

Andrei

- Wishes every well.

- Implemented debug continuous integration. This allows us to check every commit automatically (cpp, clang etc. checks) for common problems.

- Also made coverage report which tests coverage of code

- Working on http models for TML and will integrate it

Juan

- Background to arithmetic port: following Ohad's recommendations and arrive to improvements to BDD multiplications in terms of performance and execution efficiency.

- Approaching support for compound terms for BDDs, but this is a slow process. We tried a boolean transformation of BDD bits which didn't quite work but we learned a lot. Requires more studying and research.

Fola

- General work with staffing

- Kilian joins the team and will be taking over as community manager

- We want information we put out to be more consolidated and accessible

- We hope to grow the community

- Looking at 3 additional hires

- Legal side is looking good on the EU side. Looking into the US side.

Kilian

- Been following Tau since 2016

- Invites people in the community to reach out to him regarding questions, ideas etc.

Ohad

- Dragan continues work with Dynamic bit ordering in BDDs. This can be found in the forks on our github repository

- Going over literature about Boolean equations and Boolean inequalities. Boolean inequalities were an open problem until quite recently and I have more to learn here. Lattice equations and congruence relations all play a part under the field universal algebra.

- Where things stand with second order logic: Most forms of second order logic in the literature are over infinite universes and therefore not guaranteed to always returns answers. The only way I know right now of solving second order logic over a finite universe is through Boolean equations then employing the resolution method. This is not the cleanest solution.

Tables are unique in TML but in second order logic there can be many solutions to an equation. We require partially defined Boolean functions to support tables not explicitly given. Boolean equations store the data implicitly and only at the end do we solve for them to obtain the final result. This provides remarkable performance.

Therefore, we need to redesign the internals of TML such that things can be defined using Boolean equations. This also makes it easier to synthesize code.

So a search for a better method than the resolution method begins. So instead of doing Boolean algebra over the bits of the data, we want to perform them over congruence relations enhanced with complementation. This will lead to even greater compression of data and immediately support infinite universes and probably compound terms, which will lead us to a generic solver.
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April 03, 2020, 11:47:35 AM
Last edit: April 07, 2020, 12:52:28 PM by m4nki
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Join Tau-Chain on Discord

Tau-Chain Discord

The Tau-Chain Discord is now open. We recommend anyone interested in the project to join it. As opposed to Telegram and Bitcointalk, where all discussions are clumped together, Discord enables us to structure discussions by topic. Additionally, it also offers voice-chat capability as well as managing regional communities based on their language. Hope to see you soon!





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April 03, 2020, 11:49:55 AM
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March dev update now out! Please weclome Kilian to the team
Take care during these challenging times everyone

https://youtu.be/GWx5vZsW3Ck


Thank you for the introduction and for continuously keeping our Bitcointalk community updated with the most recent developments of the project, Eventine.

Your support is highly appreciated!


I'm happy to now be a part of the IDNI and Tau-Chain project.  Smiley

Please, if anyone of you has questions or suggestions about the project, feel free to post them.

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April 07, 2020, 12:44:30 PM
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Community Survey

To the Survey

We have prepared a short survey to assess the current state of our community.
Based on your input, we will be able to formulate and execute a clear strategy that will be in the interest of all of us, the Tau community.
Please take a moment to fill it out - we appreciate your support!
Thank you.





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Community Survey

To the Survey

We have prepared a short survey to assess the current state of our community.
Based on your input, we will be able to formulate and execute a clear strategy that will be in the interest of all of us, the Tau community.
Please take a moment to fill it out - we appreciate your support!
Thank you.





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