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July 26, 2012, 09:20:14 AM
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Mark, please post MtGox's customer privacy agreement here in this thread.

AurumXChange and BitInstant should as well.

Funny how one can go from talks of disclosure to non disclosure on occasions.

The points you are highlighting are hardly private (most if not all of is already publicly known), and I fail to see how this qualifies as "libel".

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Sorry Mark, I am failing to see "Public forum witch hunts" anywhere there in the Privacy Policy.

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July 26, 2012, 09:22:55 AM
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The only entity which can provide such information with authority is Liberty Reserve itself.
AurumExchange, MtGox and Bitinstant, please, try to contact Liberty Reserve, in an official manner. If they don't respond, try to reach them via lawyers or something. I know it's possible that they'll just ignore the requests, but you'll never be sure if you don't try.

Unfortunately LR will not reply unless legal action is started, which is what we are also waiting for.

AurumXchange however can (and is actually required to) block funds suspected to be in relation of known criminal activity.

True, if nobody reports anything, there won't be any crime, hacker walks away and everything's fine. Thing is we believe there is a high chance that this time legal action will be started, and within that context funds were blocked.

It is not up to any of us to judge if funds should be unlocked, we should have an actual court with an actual judge do an actual investigation first.

If nothing else, these transactions fall very squarely within the requirements for lodging AML suspicious activity reports so there's a chance that they'll be looked at more closely by financial intelligence units even if there are no police reports made.

absolutely! freeze all accounts of the involved parties until the community have clear answers!

it's just comming in my mind: is there a possibility to freeze bitcoin addresses also in the future by improving the protocol if the community decided to outlaw a bitcoin address because a hacker used it??

Yay! USD v2.0 here we come!

the current situation tells me a need of this! Wink

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July 26, 2012, 09:24:09 AM
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Mark, please post MtGox's customer privacy agreement here in this thread.

AurumXChange and BitInstant should as well.
This.

If information has to be released, release it to the police.

I'm quite unclear as to why the involved parties are disclosing this kind of information on a public internet forum.
At worst it might even harm an official investigation.

I'm curious about AurumExchange's and MT's actual motivations for posting all this.

AurumXchange is blocking funds allegedly belonging to Zhou Tong without any disclosed (until now) reason. Legal advice on AurumXchange's side was to issue a statement as soon as possible to clarify the situation as it was being made public on this very forum.

In absence of any legal action from the victims of this hack, we have no course of action to contact the police, but will be held responsible if funds are released then legal processing is started at a later point.

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July 26, 2012, 09:24:30 AM
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Interestingly enough, Bitinstant doesn't even seem to have a privacy policy available on their site.

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July 26, 2012, 09:24:33 AM
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What I find amusing is that everyone wanted to get to the bottom of all of this and now that more evidence is being presented a certain number of users want to throw rocks at those releasing the information to the public.

Can you people make up your mind, either you want this resolved or not. What aurum,mtgox and bitinstant did here is exactly the nature of bitcoin where a community should be able to work through arguments and evidence together and if there is a need to approach the government after no public progress then so be it.

This forum turned into a speculation forum so that even when solid arguments/evidence get presented then a few select members would start mudslinging at those presenting the evidence.

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I'm going to send the Liu Haipeng's ICBC account mentioned by Zhoutong 0.01 RMB, to identify the province location of the bank account.

Just wait.


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The bank account was opened in 黑龙江省牡丹江(Mudanjiang, Heilongjiang Province. )
The Chinese name of this bank account is 刘海鹏

hopefully that this will be helpful. However, it can be a bank account bought from the black market.

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July 26, 2012, 09:28:22 AM
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Mark, please post MtGox's customer privacy agreement here in this thread.

AurumXChange and BitInstant should as well.
This.

If information has to be released, release it to the police.

I'm quite unclear as to why the involved parties are disclosing this kind of information on a public internet forum.
At worst it might even harm an official investigation.

I'm curious about AurumExchange's and MT's actual motivations for posting all this.


Part of the problem is that Bitcoinica's operators are AWOL.  They haven't filed a police report, which hasn't opened up the process which would allow his kind of stuff to be formally requested and provided.  Now it's either up to the investors or the users to sue for a resolution.  We all have a claim against Bitcoinica but as of this moment, the only entity with a claim against the hacker is Bitcoinica.  No criminal law enforcement agency in the world is going to pick this case up given the mess it is and, sorry to say, relatively small amount of money that is involved.  We may be able to get local cops on it after a court has sorted out who is responsible for what but that's a ways off.

Why anybody still has their money at Intersango is beyond me.

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July 26, 2012, 09:28:26 AM
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What aurum,mtgox and bitinstant did here is exactly the nature of bitcoin where a community should be able to work through arguments and evidence together

No. What they did is unprofessional, completely irresponsible (they didn't even contact the person they are claiming did something wrong--- so what is the point of the thread?), and possibly illegal.

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This thread started at 4:00PM Victoria Time. I'm curious as to what time those classes started. And I thought you were still in Singapore.

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It wouldn't tell you much.  He could have whole days where he has no lectures or tutorials and others where they're spread throughout the day and don't finish until 9pm.

this. I only go to school 2 days, but those 2 days are 14 hour days.
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Relevant?

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #intersango
[00:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit sets mode: -o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoinconsultancy
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoinica
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Huh? Wtf Huh?  
If this log is real, this guy's got some explaining to do

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July 26, 2012, 09:32:38 AM
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I demand AurumXChange provide the order by a ruling body of competent jurisdiction as recognized by Commonwealth of Dominica law that demanded that they create this thread and attempt to connect Zhou Tong to a hack (without even contacting him to ask first).

I would also strongly agree with repentance that Zhou Tong get legal representation, but mostly because it seems like AurumXChange, MtGox and BitInstant need a lesson in customer privacy laws.

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July 26, 2012, 09:32:56 AM
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No. What they did is unprofessional, completely irresponsible (they didn't even contact the person they are claiming did something wrong--- so what is the point of the thread?), and possibly illegal.

Unlike many of the people on this forum, we act based on legal advice from seasoned lawyers.

The information disclosed here has been disclosed for some time to the people involved with Bitcoinica, but it seems that none of them has talked to Zhou about this yet, nor started any legal action (at least none that reached any of us).

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July 26, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
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No. What they did is unprofessional, completely irresponsible (they didn't even contact the person they are claiming did something wrong--- so what is the point of the thread?), and possibly illegal.

Unlike many of the people on this forum, we act based on legal advice from seasoned lawyers.

The information disclosed here has been disclosed for some time to the people involved with Bitcoinica, but it seems that none of them has talked to Zhou about this yet, nor started any legal action (at least none that reached any of us).


No legal action = you have no right to disclose it publicly.


While I'm sure we're all eager to hear Zhou Tong's response as it is unfortunate how the situation looks, it is unnecessary to make this a forum witch hunt and is becoming more and more clear that you, AurumXChange and BitInstant do not take your own privacy policies seriously.

Hold the funds privately, let Zhou Tong give up his own right to privacy by bitching about it on the forum if he chooses to, but don't go breaking laws and giving out your customer's personal information to angry internet mobs and endangering his life when you don't even have sufficient proof that he is actually anything more than a victim of identity theft. This disgusts me deeply. The Zhou hating is tolerable from this community, but if you have any sense Mark, you will remove yourself from this thread that AurumXChange seems to be only so happy to risk their entire business in posting.

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July 26, 2012, 09:33:55 AM
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AurumXchange is blocking funds allegedly belonging to Zhou Tong without any disclosed (until now) reason. Legal advice on AurumXchange's side was to issue a statement as soon as possible to clarify the situation as it was being made public on this very forum.
Releasing a statement to ZT about his money being frozen : sounds ok to me.
Publishing a statement to an angry mob looking for a scapegoat : probably not the smartest thing.

I highly doubt that AE's legal counsel advised them to publish anything on a public internet forum.


In absence of any legal action from the victims of this hack,
This is an assumption, not a fact.


we have no course of action to contact the police, but will be held responsible if funds are released then legal processing is started at a later point.
A financial institution has to freeze funds if they suspect illegal activity/ML and report it to the authorities.
I'm not saying it would have been smart to release the funds, but maybe it isn't very smart either to release this kind of information on a public forum and not report anything to the police (AFAIK you haven't done that, have you?).


What I find amusing is that everyone wanted to get to the bottom of all of this and now that more evidence is being presented a certain number of users want to throw rocks at those releasing the information to the public.
The only rocks being thrown are being targeted at ZT. Look at it this way : what has been achieved by posting this info here ? Nothing. Will it help an actual police investigation? Probably the opposite.


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July 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
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The beauty of having government to solve issues like this is that they have the best interests of everyone involved at heart and only seek to find the truth of the matter and arrange to punish the guilty and give whatever restitution is possible to the victims.

To what mythical organization do you refer?

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What aurum,mtgox and bitinstant did here is exactly the nature of bitcoin where a community should be able to work through arguments and evidence together

No. What they did is unprofessional, completely irresponsible (they didn't even contact the person they are claiming did something wrong--- so what is the point of the thread?), and possibly illegal.

That's possibly illegal, but I'll tell you a couple things which are REALLY illegal:

1- Stealing $500.000 between USD and BTC.
2- Unauthorized access to computer systems.

If the above 2 illegal matters aren't reason enough to fear repercussions from law enforcement because no reports were filed, why would Bitinstant, AurumXchange or MtGox fear repercussions for what they did in this thread?

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July 26, 2012, 09:35:35 AM
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No legal action = you have no right to disclose it publicly.

I'll let you discuss this with AurumXchange's attorneys if you really insist on this.

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Press charges against a minor?

Most modern legal systems charge teenagers with crimes they commit (although they can allow discretion about whether to pursue charges for minor offences).  What can vary is whether or not the case gets heard in an adult court and the type of sentence imposed (diversionary programmes are often preferred for young offenders).


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