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July 26, 2012, 05:38:44 PM
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I hope everyone can comment with more reasoning and less assumptions. I'm trying my best to calm down and attempt to get more information about the hacker, because he also used my email for a credit card fraud case. It's possible to discover something at that direction.

I have also listed a few people who know this secret email of mine. And I'm going to question them one by one tonight.

I'm definitely on the side of Bitcoinica customers and I believe that if the real hacker really had ties with me personally like what MagicalTux said, I may be able to recover majority of the amount back if the hacker can be warned. This issue is very serious and if I'm the hacker, I would definitely return the full amount back to reduce the criminal punishment.

The hacker seems to be a Chinese because he used Chinese punctuations in his English messages in the Aurumxchange ticket.

I will provide any information needed to the police once Bitcoinica files a police report.

The hacker has now been warned and has returned all the stolen funds in 5...4...3...

(I have no idea how I got two pages behind in such a short period of time, so if the above has for real happened already, forgive me)

He probably doesn't know that. I have received another email just now and it seems that the hacker isn't aware of this thread at all:

https://www.aurumxchange.com/help/ticket.php?track=Y72-1AN-3Y4H&Refresh=32888

just easy simple or the biggest fake ever!! Cheesy

So this superhacker is able to break into his computer yet he is this dumb now?  the hacker is smart enough to steal all this money but not smart enough to not even bother framing people as it leaves more evidence?  Come on.... or maybe steal a lot of bitcoins and make it seem like you are being framed.  It is like Basic Instinct, write a book of a crime before it occurs then it becomes the person's alibi.

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July 26, 2012, 05:42:33 PM
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maybe ZT will telling us the whole story in his book??  Grin

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July 26, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
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I'm not sure about Zhou being the hacker.  Anyone remember one of the earlier hacks when the hacker was in irc giving away free coins from the heist?  That particular hacker seemed to not really be in it for financial gain and more in it because he was some hardcore anarchist that had been upset by something bitcoinica or bitcoin consultancy had done that pissed him off, that being the case I wouldn't put it past that particular hacker to try and setup Zhou or someone else involved to make it look bad for them.  

Also Zhou's behavior kinda strikes me as an innocent man being setup, but none of us here know for sure so the lynch mob thing needs to calm down a bit.

Yeah screw that he probably did it.
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July 26, 2012, 06:57:11 PM
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I hope everyone can comment with more reasoning and less assumptions. I'm trying my best to calm down and attempt to get more information about the hacker, because he also used my email for a credit card fraud case. It's possible to discover something at that direction.

I have also listed a few people who know this secret email of mine. And I'm going to question them one by one tonight.

I'm definitely on the side of Bitcoinica customers and I believe that if the real hacker really had ties with me personally like what MagicalTux said, I may be able to recover majority of the amount back if the hacker can be warned. This issue is very serious and if I'm the hacker, I would definitely return the full amount back to reduce the criminal punishment.

The hacker seems to be a Chinese because he used Chinese punctuations in his English messages in the Aurumxchange ticket.

I will provide any information needed to the police once Bitcoinica files a police report.

The hacker has now been warned and has returned all the stolen funds in 5...4...3...

(I have no idea how I got two pages behind in such a short period of time, so if the above has for real happened already, forgive me)

He probably doesn't know that. I have received another email just now and it seems that the hacker isn't aware of this thread at all:

https://www.aurumxchange.com/help/ticket.php?track=Y72-1AN-3Y4H&Refresh=32888

just easy simple or the biggest fake ever!! Cheesy

So this superhacker is able to break into his computer yet he is this dumb now?  the hacker is smart enough to steal all this money but not smart enough to not even bother framing people as it leaves more evidence?  Come on.... or maybe steal a lot of bitcoins and make it seem like you are being framed.  It is like Basic Instinct, write a book of a crime before it occurs then it becomes the person's alibi.

It's an excellent [img=http://www.amazon.com/Discipline-Novel-Paco-Ahlgren/dp/0979084202/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1343324282&sr=1-1]http://Discipline[/img] when pulled off flawlessly.

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July 26, 2012, 07:08:18 PM
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Relevant?

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #intersango
[00:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit sets mode: -o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoinconsultancy
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoinica
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

I call fake on that chat-log. I can't find any evidence of that anywhere.
It's not fake. I found essentially the same thing in my chat logs for #bitcoin-dev; sadly the public logs don't seem to contain nickname changes. I'm not sure what it means though...

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July 26, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
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Ok can I have my bitcoins now?

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
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July 26, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
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It's not fake. I found essentially the same thing in my chat logs for #bitcoin-dev; sadly the public logs don't seem to contain nickname changes. I'm not sure what it means though...

FWIW This is what I found on my own personal logs (which I know to be untampered [unless the hax0r got my machine too])

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$ grep steve_bobs *                                                                                                                
#bitcoin_20120712.log:[23:02:21] *** phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:23:52] <steve_bobs> still aren't
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:24:33] <steve_bobs> they're a bank in europe
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:24:42] <steve_bobs> in the us they're a payment processor or something
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:25:01] <steve_bobs> iz, you sure that's what actually happened? seemed to have been something different from that
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:25:53] <steve_bobs> innocent, dialcoin
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:26:12] <steve_bobs> iz, yeah that's not what that says
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:26:47] <steve_bobs> pretty sure
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:26:50] <steve_bobs> that's an api key
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:26:53] <steve_bobs> not a password
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:43:48] <steve_bobs> helo, it's actually impossible
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:44:19] <steve_bobs> the risk to the insurer would be so high that they would never accept the contract
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:44:21] <kiba> steve_bobs: why would it be impossible? you know something that I don't?
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[13:45:11] <steve_bobs> if your premiums would be more than about 5% annually of the maximum liability of the insurance typically they will simply deny your application
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[14:38:21] <steve_bobs> ;;bc,blocks
#bitcoin_20120713.log:[18:39:59] <steve_bobs> HORRAY CHEAP OLIVE OIL
#bitcoin_20120714.log:[14:34:41] *** Quits: steve_bobs (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
#bitcoin-otc_20120712.log:[23:02:21] *** phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs
#bitcoin-otc_20120714.log:[14:34:41] *** Quits: steve_bobs (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)

So it would appear that not only did *someone* use the ident of phantomci, they did more than just a /nick on it.
I don't log -dev, #bitconica, or #intersango so there absence above means nothing.

EDIT: I have posted the output of $ grep phantomcircuit * | grep -E "(Joins|Quits)" to http://pastebin.com/7BtrXWjv for anyone who is interested.  The above IP (67-188-9-35) does indeed appear there quite a bit.  Seems very unlikely that more than one person closely related would use the same odd handle.

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July 26, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
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About him attending college in Australia. Is there any proof of that besides him stating such.

The phone number in the AurumXchange transaction which Zhou says is his is a landline in the state of Victoria.  It would certainly be possible to ring it and find out the relationship of the person answering to Zhou.

This proves very little in these days of VoIP. It's relatively simple to have any phone number ring anywhere on the planet that's got Internet connectivity.


As I said, +61 3 9015 7926 is mine and the number is posted on NameTerrific.

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Domain name: zhoutong.com

Registrant Contact:
Zhou Tong
Tong Zhou ()

Fax:
PO Box 465
Carlton South, VIC 3053
AU

Administrative Contact:
Zhou Tong
Tong Zhou (domain@zhoutong.com)
+61.390157926
Fax:
PO Box 465
Carlton South, VIC 3053
AU


Technical Contact:
Zhou Tong
Tong Zhou (domain@zhoutong.com)
+61.390157926
Fax:
PO Box 465
Carlton South, VIC 3053
AU

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
node-1.us.terrificdns.com
node-2.us.terrificdns.com
node-3.us.terrificdns.com

Creation date: 16 May 2004 03:26:00
Expiration date: 16 May 2015 03:26:00

Take a careful look at this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20040802063515/http://zhoutong.com/   WoW! oh, WoW!

Somebody tell me why (and/or how) a 9-year-old Asian kid has a domain set up using an Australian address. And please do it quick, for I feel that ZT's answer may be, "I bought that domain a year (or so) ago."

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July 26, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
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About him attending college in Australia. Is there any proof of that besides him stating such.

The phone number in the AurumXchange transaction which Zhou says is his is a landline in the state of Victoria.  It would certainly be possible to ring it and find out the relationship of the person answering to Zhou.

This proves very little in these days of VoIP. It's relatively simple to have any phone number ring anywhere on the planet that's got Internet connectivity.


As I said, +61 3 9015 7926 is mine and the number is posted on NameTerrific.

And not only do I want a blowjob, but I want not one, but two fingers stuck up my ass.

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Domain name: zhoutong.com

Registrant Contact:
Zhou Tong
Tong Zhou ()

Fax:
PO Box 465
Carlton South, VIC 3053
AU

Administrative Contact:
Zhou Tong
Tong Zhou (domain@zhoutong.com)
+61.390157926
Fax:
PO Box 465
Carlton South, VIC 3053
AU


Technical Contact:
Zhou Tong
Tong Zhou (domain@zhoutong.com)
+61.390157926
Fax:
PO Box 465
Carlton South, VIC 3053
AU

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
node-1.us.terrificdns.com
node-2.us.terrificdns.com
node-3.us.terrificdns.com

Creation date: 16 May 2004 03:26:00
Expiration date: 16 May 2015 03:26:00

Take a careful look at this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20040802063515/http://zhoutong.com/   WoW! oh, WoW!

Somebody tell me why (and/or how) a 9-year-old Asian kid has a domain set up using an Australian address. And please do it quick, for I feel that ZT's answer may be, "I bought that domain a year (or so) ago."

~Bruno~


Yeah, but I also found this too..

http://web.archive.org/web/20110209135438/http://zhoutong.com/

That webpage doesnt seem to me like a "ZT" production.

Could it be there is more than 1 person named Zhou Tong?
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http://web.archive.org/web/20020808005400/http://www.china-zhoutong.com/

Zhoutong Machinery.

Is he an adult, instead of a child as he says?
Does he run a machinery business?

Edit:  I think he is shitting his pants right now cause he used 80,000 bitcoins to pay off all his families mortgages, and now he can't get the money back!

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Domain ID:D1520284-ME
Domain Name:LIFEPATH.ME
Domain Create Date:13-Oct-2010 11:46:24 UTC
Domain Last Updated Date:18-Jul-2012 21:00:03 UTC
Domain Expiration Date:13-Oct-2013 11:46:24 UTC
Last Transferred Date:19-May-2012 17:43:57 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom Inc R32-ME
Created by:GoDaddy.com, LLC R41-ME
Last Updated by Registrar:Afilias R54-ME
Domain Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:876c8456f832ebd1
Registrant Name:Tong Zhou
Registrant Organization:Zhou Tong
Registrant Address:PO Box 465
Registrant Address2:
Registrant Address3:
Registrant City:Carlton South
Registrant State/Province:VIC
Registrant Country/Economy:AU
Registrant Postal Code:3053
Registrant Phone:+61.390157926
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant E-mail:domain@zhoutong.com
Admin ID:876c8456f832ebd1
Admin Name:Tong Zhou
Admin Organization:Zhou Tong
Admin Address:PO Box 465
Admin Address2:
Admin Address3:
Admin City:Carlton South
Admin State/Province:VIC
Admin Country/Economy:AU
Admin Postal Code:3053
Admin Phone:+61.390157926
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin E-mail:domain@zhoutong.com
Tech ID:876c8456f832ebd1
Tech Name:Tong Zhou
Tech Organization:Zhou Tong
Tech Address:PO Box 465
Tech Address2:
Tech Address3:
Tech City:Carlton South
Tech State/Province:VIC
Tech Country/Economy:AU
Tech Postal Code:3053
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http://web.archive.org/web/20020808005400/http://www.china-zhoutong.com/

Zhoutong Machinery.

Is he an adult, instead of a child as he says?
Does he run a machinery business?

Edit:  I think he is shitting his pants right now cause he used 80,000 bitcoins to pay off all his families mortgages, and now he can't get the money back!

Dude, how do you know Zhou Tong over there isn't like Brad Smith here?
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plot thickens

only thing i don't get why sell and or ruin business that started to generate supposedly over $40k a month in profits
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http://web.archive.org/web/20020808005400/http://www.china-zhoutong.com/

Zhoutong Machinery.

Is he an adult, instead of a child as he says?
Does he run a machinery business?

Edit:  I think he is shitting his pants right now cause he used 80,000 bitcoins to pay off all his families mortgages, and now he can't get the money back!

Dude, how do you know Zhou Tong over there isn't like Brad Smith here?

Because the phone number is the same.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20020808005400/http://www.china-zhoutong.com/

Zhoutong Machinery.

Is he an adult, instead of a child as he says?
Does he run a machinery business?

Edit:  I think he is shitting his pants right now cause he used 80,000 bitcoins to pay off all his families mortgages, and now he can't get the money back!

Dude, how do you know Zhou Tong over there isn't like Brad Smith here?

OMG

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only thing i don't get why sell and or ruin business that started to generate supposedly over $40k a month in profits

I'm eagerly awaiting Tihan's answer:

In the internal email dump from genjix you are quoted as having written the following:

Quote from: tseale
Speaking of that, Zhou I wanted your thoughts on the financial situation.
As you know, Bitcoinica went from cranking out 6-figure profit one month to
a flatline the next. I covered most of the deficit from the hack on the
assumption Bitcoinica profits would quickly fill in the rest. What's
happened instead is a consistent equity leak that has remained unresolved
for two months. We've gone from being short 40k to now being short 88k.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93109.msg1039996#msg1039996

Has the reason for that been accurately explained? That is, did Bitcoinica ever - provably - profit to the degree that Zhou claimed it did when you bought it?

One interesting line of thought is that the only one who's ever made a profit from operating Bitcoinica is Zhou, and if the service didn't make a profit from trading the only other explanation is that the "profit" came directly out of user deposits. To cover that up regular "hacks" were simply needed.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20020808005400/http://www.china-zhoutong.com/

Zhoutong Machinery.

Is he an adult, instead of a child as he says?
Does he run a machinery business?

Edit:  I think he is shitting his pants right now cause he used 80,000 bitcoins to pay off all his families mortgages, and now he can't get the money back!

Dude, how do you know Zhou Tong over there isn't like Brad Smith here?

Because the phone number is the same.

Which phone numbers are the same?  here is what i got off of translation after you click the link to the site you quoted above..


Address: Ruian, Zhejiang Bridge East towel sub mountain road on the 5th (green plant)
Tel :0577 -6,562,153,065,620,658 Fax: 65620658
Mobile: 13506578868 13506561858 Zip: 325200
E-mail: zhoutong@zhoutong.com http://www.zhoutong.com www.china-zhoutong.com


EDIT: I am thoroughly confused.  I am going to just watch from here on out.
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Which phone numbers are the same?  here is what i got off of translation after you click the link to the site you quoted above..

One page back.

The phone number listed on nameterrific.com and the number Zhou said was his, is also listed on the whois for the domain.

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Which phone numbers are the same?  here is what i got off of translation after you click the link to the site you quoted above..

One page back.

The phone number listed on nameterrific.com and the number Zhou said was his, is also listed on the whois for the domain.

Yeah, I just skimmed back through that... I am not sure what to say at this point
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nameterrific.com domain name record

Registrant:
NameTerrific
Tong Zhou
Level 10, 50 Market Street
Melbourne, VIC 3000 AU
+61.390157926

Administrative:
NameTerrific
Tong Zhou
Level 10, 50 Market Street
Melbourne, VIC 3000 AU
+61.390157926



Technical:
NameTerrific
Tong Zhou
Level 10, 50 Market Street
Melbourne, VIC 3000 AU
+61.390157926


Nameserver:
NS-541.AWSDNS-03.NET
NS-1493.AWSDNS-58.ORG
NS-1884.AWSDNS-43.CO.UK
NS-224.AWSDNS-28.COM

Updated-Date:
Jul 21, 2012 03:36:28 AM

Created-Date:
Mar 23, 2012 02:45:23 AM

Registration-Expiration-Date:
Mar 23, 2015 02:45:23 AM

Status:
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Domain:
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nameterrific.com is a domain name registered by Tong Zhou. The site is based in Melbourne, VIC, AU. This domain has registrar lock enabled. www.nameterrific.com hosts it's domain on NS-541.AWSDNS-03.NET,NS-1493.AWSDNS-58.ORG,NS-1884.AWSDNS-43.CO.UK,NS-224.AWSDNS-28.COM.

Page rank, back links or indexed pages information is not available for www.nameterrific.com. Inexpensive business listings setup through eNom can help websites to build backlinks, and to generate organic search engine referrals.

The registrant's whois information is not masked from appearing in our whois lookup data. For additional information about www.nameterrific.com, users are encouraged to email Tong Zhou or call +61.390157926 for items pertaining to the registrant. For administrative issues, please email Tong Zhou or call +61.390157926. Items of a technical nature should be directed to Tong Zhou via email or by calling +61.390157926.

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