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July 26, 2012, 10:16:42 PM
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Or maybe he was tired of being contacted by dozens of people and decided to go under a different nick temporarily?
Still seems very odd that he would pick the same 'throw away' nick as the 3rd hacker though....

I thought the hacker was Steve Jobs?  not Steve-bobs??

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July 26, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
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Or maybe he was tired of being contacted by dozens of people and decided to go under a different nick temporarily?
Still seems very odd that he would pick the same 'throw away' nick as the 3rd hacker though....

I thought the hacker was Steve Jobs?  not Steve-bobs??

Yes, but it is just another "convenient" similarity.
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July 26, 2012, 10:21:08 PM
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Not been on IRC in years but wouldn't this;
[00:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit sets mode: -o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

indicate that someone logged in with the spoofed ident of phantiom and was de-oped because their mac id did not truely match?  Just seems odd he would de-op himself otherwise..

First of all it isn't mac address (i think you meant IP address).
Second FreeNode servers would not all him to be logged in that long without authenticating.
Third he used that IP more than once.  See my previous post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.msg1056652#msg1056652 which has a history of this.

No, I meant what I typed.

so freenode would not allow +op for 12 minutes without being authenticated? aye, i was suggesting phantom was logged in and then someone else may have bumped him off. was just an idea. I do not even know what you are trying to prove or figure out...

I can make it look like I am any fucking IP i want on IRC. I was under the impression they checked your true mac address and not just went by what was shown in the chat.  my finger info would read *Sadpandatech(~Sadpandatech@lickmysack.microsoft.com)

no.  chanserv would not give an op to unidentified with nickserv user. that log shows that it was authorized user using that handle who then  deopped himself (that's what they do on #bitcoin) and then changed his nick.
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July 26, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
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Zhou, you sent me back 3 BTC back earlier last week with your personal claim service.
Please send me the remainder of 49 BTC to 1F9ywmJTQ283z5qaEr97NcRgPNHZ6GoAiu .
The remainder includes the USD balance converted to BTC using current exchange rate.
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July 26, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
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Is it just me (and I have no interest in debating who's guilty and who isn't particularly), but does this just scream sockpuppet to anyone else?


July 26, 2012, 06:50:18 PM
It's a shame that this lynch mob is forming based on shoddy evidence presented in an internet forum. I guess that is just the way justice works in the modern world, much like the lynch mobs going after George Zimmerman.  Zhou Tong clearly posted that his email account was hacked.  He has been the victims of hackers before and they are obviously trying to escape justice by framing their victim. It's a shame people are willing to become so manipulated instead of trying to continue to seek out the true criminals.  


July 26, 2012, 06:53:50 PM
I hope everyone can comment with more reasoning and less assumptions. I'm trying my best to calm down and attempt to get more information about the hacker, because he also used my email for a credit card fraud case. It's possible to discover something at that direction.

I have also listed a few people who know this secret email of mine. And I'm going to question them one by one tonight.

I'm definitely on the side of Bitcoinica customers and I believe that if the real hacker really had ties with me personally like what MagicalTux said, I may be able to recover majority of the amount back if the hacker can be warned. This issue is very serious and if I'm the hacker, I would definitely return the full amount back to reduce the criminal punishment.

The hacker seems to be a Chinese because he used Chinese punctuations in his English messages in the Aurumxchange ticket.

I will provide any information needed to the police once Bitcoinica files a police report.


July 26, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
Thank you for handling this situation so well, you are a true professional and a model for this community.

from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.100

Especially considering Rarity's unwaveringly positive posts regarding Zhou in this thread so far.  Meh, probably just paranoid Smiley

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July 26, 2012, 11:26:00 PM
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@Rolo  you're not the only one wondering the same thing..

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July 26, 2012, 11:39:21 PM
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Oh my, now I'm part of the Zhou conspiracy too!  Back off pitchforkies!



You really think it's plausible I've been posting here since last October just waiting for this moment?  You guys are trying to hang the wrong guy and I'm pointing it out, deal with it.

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July 26, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
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@Rolo  you're not the only one wondering the same thing..

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July 27, 2012, 12:02:50 AM
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We have Bitcoin exchanges basically begging for someone anyone with grounds to file a criminal complaint to do so. Because otherwise they are burdened with being responsible, as in keeping safe, the questionable funds.

There was a thread here about lawsuits, has anyone involved with that engaged NZ legal counsel to get the NZ authorities rolling on this? The exchanges are saying no authorities have contacted them claiming to be investigating relating to the Bitcoinica hacks.
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July 27, 2012, 12:44:44 AM
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Relevant?

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #intersango
[00:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit sets mode: -o phantomcircuit
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoinconsultancy
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Session Time: Fri Jul 13 00:00:00 2012
[00:49] * phantomcircuit (~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoinica
[01:01] * phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs

Huh? Wtf Huh
If this log is real, this guy's got some explaining to do

I just read through all of this and missed if there was a follow-up to this post?

Not that I've seen.

I just searched for 'steve_bobs' in my IRC logs, and it came up a few times:

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$ zgrep -i steve_bobs *
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:07:02 -!- phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:23 < steve_bobs> still aren't
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:23 < steve_bobs> they're a bank in europe
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:24 < steve_bobs> in the us they're a payment processor or something
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:24 < steve_bobs> iz, you sure that's what actually happened? seemed to have been something different from that
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:25 < steve_bobs> innocent, dialcoin
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:25 < steve_bobs> iz, yeah that's not what that says
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:26 < steve_bobs> pretty sure
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:26 < steve_bobs> that's an api key
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:26 < steve_bobs> not a password
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:43 < steve_bobs> helo, it's actually impossible
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:43 < steve_bobs> the risk to the insurer would be so high that they would never accept the contract
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:43 < kiba> steve_bobs: why would it be impossible? you know something that I don't?
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:21:44 < steve_bobs> if your premiums would be more than about 5% annually of the maximum liability of the insurance typically they will simply deny your application
#bitcoin-2012-07-13.log:22:37 < steve_bobs> ;;bc,blocks
#bitcoin-2012-07-14.log:02:39 < steve_bobs> HORRAY CHEAP OLIVE OIL
#bitcoin-2012-07-14.log:22:34 -!- steve_bobs [~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
#bitcoin-dev-2012-07-13.log:07:02 -!- phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs
#bitcoin-dev-2012-07-13.log:17:15 < steve_bobs> gavinandresen, how would that work for an exchange though?
#bitcoin-dev-2012-07-13.log:17:16 < gavinandresen> steve_bobs: I don't think it would work for an exchange, they'll have to be a MSB
#bitcoin-dev-2012-07-14.log:22:34 -!- steve_bobs [~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
#bitcoin-otc-2012-07-13.log:07:02 -!- phantomcircuit is now known as steve_bobs
#bitcoin-otc-2012-07-14.log:22:34 -!- steve_bobs [~phantomci@c-67-188-9-35.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

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July 27, 2012, 12:48:06 AM
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I just searched for 'steve_bobs' in my IRC logs, and it came up a few times:
Looks like your hits were about the same as mine.

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July 27, 2012, 12:52:56 AM
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What exactly are they trying to match up that uyou are saynig does not?

That he's owned that domain since almost 10 years back.



Can someone confirm this? Is this really true? If the Zhou we are all referencing created this then he was only 7.
Truly a genius! Making websites at such a young age.
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July 27, 2012, 12:57:51 AM
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What exactly are they trying to match up that uyou are saynig does not?

That he's owned that domain since almost 10 years back.


Can someone confirm this? Is this really true? If the Zhou we are all referencing created this then he was only 7.
Truly a genius! Making websites at such a young age.

You misunderstood. My point was to disprove the suggestion by Phinnaeus that Zhou indeed had that domain back then.

(And since then I've also stumbled upon verification for Zhou's claim that he bought it in March: http://q.3hk.cn/u/zhoutong.html )

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July 27, 2012, 01:01:32 AM
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What exactly are they trying to match up that uyou are saynig does not?

That he's owned that domain since almost 10 years back.


Can someone confirm this? Is this really true? If the Zhou we are all referencing created this then he was only 7.
Truly a genius! Making websites at such a young age.

You misunderstood. My point was to disprove the suggestion by Phinnaeus that Zhou indeed had that domain back then.

(And since then I've also stumbled upon verification for Zhou's claim that he bought it in March: http://q.3hk.cn/u/zhoutong.html )



Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
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July 27, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
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I feel as though this is just another leaky faucet. Let's stop mopping up the mess and look to fix the faucet itself first. The issue is the online storage of bitcoin. I don't claim to know a lot about bitcoin but i've been apart of this community for 2 months and have seen my fair share of grandeur hacks. While this thread has been informative, what's done is done. Might I suggest that we as a community start putting our heads together on something more productive such as  how to prevent future attacks of this kind?
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July 27, 2012, 01:18:10 AM
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I feel as though this is just another leaky faucet. Let's stop mopping up the mess and look to fix the faucet itself first. The issue is the online storage of bitcoin. I don't claim to know a lot about bitcoin but i've been apart of this community for 2 months and have seen my fair share of grandeur hacks. While this thread has been informative, what's done is done. Might I suggest that we as a community start putting our heads together on something more productive such as  how to prevent future attacks of this kind?


Do MtGox still store half a million BTC in one single address?


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July 27, 2012, 01:22:28 AM
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I feel as though this is just another leaky faucet. Let's stop mopping up the mess and look to fix the faucet itself first. The issue is the online storage of bitcoin. I don't claim to know a lot about bitcoin but i've been apart of this community for 2 months and have seen my fair share of grandeur hacks. While this thread has been informative, what's done is done. Might I suggest that we as a community start putting our heads together on something more productive such as  how to prevent future attacks of this kind?


Do MtGox still store half a million BTC in one single address?



I honestly have no clue. I don't know much about bitcoin but I do know the current arrangements are not profitable. It seems like every other week there is some story about how a database has been hacked into or something of the sort. There should seriously be some alternatives cause let's face it, $200,000 scams are not doing much for the bitcoin image.
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July 27, 2012, 01:22:31 AM
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I feel as though this is just another leaky faucet. Let's stop mopping up the mess and look to fix the faucet itself first. The issue is the online storage of bitcoin. I don't claim to know a lot about bitcoin but i've been apart of this community for 2 months and have seen my fair share of grandeur hacks. While this thread has been informative, what's done is done. Might I suggest that we as a community start putting our heads together on something more productive such as  how to prevent future attacks of this kind?

The best solution is tight government and international UN oversight.  Bitcoin is going to be the global currency, so it makes sense to build the necessary legal infrastructure to resolve disputes like this before it gets there.

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July 27, 2012, 01:42:38 AM
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Umm, no. That would be just about the most opposite thing imaginable for bitcoin. The UN? Why would anybody suggest that collection of slavers, extortionists and rapists to provide oversight for anything? And what government do you trust to oversee your wealth and means of exchange? They have pretty much enslaved all of us with every single fiat scheme they have every come up with as a means to keep us under the jack-boot of authority, and now you want bitcoin to be the same?

Better to execute the first 25 scammers proven to have stolen from the bitcoin community, pour encourager les autres. That's all the legal infrastructure needed thanks all the same.

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July 27, 2012, 01:59:46 AM
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Umm, no. That would be just about the most opposite thing imaginable for bitcoin. The UN? Why would anybody suggest that collection of slavers, extortionists and rapists to provide oversight for anything? And what government do you trust to oversee your wealth and means of exchange? They have pretty much enslaved all of us with every single fiat scheme they have every come up with as a means to keep us under the jack-boot of authority, and now you want bitcoin to be the same?

Better to execute the first 25 scammers proven to have stolen from the bitcoin community, pour encourager les autres. That's all the legal infrastructure needed thanks all the same.

Execute how? No matter what we end up resorting to some sort of government based system to carry out this "justice". We throw around words like  "Lawyer up" "Extradite" but who oversees these things? The government. A currency completely independent of any government is no different from a dystopian society. It seems perfect from the outside but once you get in we have things like this going down and no way to effectively handle them and prevent them. We need a more effective way of handling bitcoin related issues that doesn't include lynch mobbing every member that might be a scammer.
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