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July 26, 2012, 11:56:50 AM
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I have posted another thread about Chen Jianhai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.0

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July 26, 2012, 11:59:07 AM
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New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

6.2出LR,财付通付款

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

要多少有多少

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

我帮一个朋友出的

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

1万美元之内都没什么问题

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zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!
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July 26, 2012, 12:33:12 PM
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It would suprise me greatly if Zhou is responsible for this.

I do not have access to any first-hand evidence that would implicate Zhou.

I work on behalf of the fund that invested in Bitcoinica. I have no position of authority with Bitcoinica LP.

When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.

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July 26, 2012, 12:37:30 PM
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It would suprise me greatly if Zhou is responsible for this.

I do not have access to any first-hand evidence that would implicate Zhou.

I work on behalf of the fund that invested in Bitcoinica. I have no position of authority with Bitcoinica LP.

When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.


Thanks for posting here. I hope the puzzle can be solved soon and Bitcoinica's customers can get their claimed amount back in full.

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July 26, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
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Or........

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July 26, 2012, 12:43:17 PM
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When it was made known to me that some suspected Zhou, my recommendation was to confront him privately for his explanation.

Would have been nice to keep me in the loop at that point, then.

Zhou's explanation sounds convincing, but as previously said it is not up to us to judge, and legal action is most likely unavoidable at this point.


Either way, I believe many here would appreciate to know who they can turn themselves to to get things moving forward.

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July 26, 2012, 12:57:25 PM
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New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

I'm sorry but,
  • Who are you?
  • Are you claiming you have evidence that LR account U9236056 is controlled by Zhou Thong? Could you really prove that?
  • What do all those Chinese symbols in your post mean?

Thanks

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July 26, 2012, 01:18:14 PM
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New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

6.2出LR,财付通付款

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

要多少有多少

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

我帮一个朋友出的

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

1万美元之内都没什么问题

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And  zhoutong's LR account is :


zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!

Where was the message from? QQ Group? Please release a screenshot.

I try my best to translate the message as following:

Ryan said he/she wants to sell a lot of LR USD (maximum 10,000LR USD) at a price of 6.2 RMB per LR USD for his friend, and get cash by TenPay (http://www.tenpay.com).

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July 26, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
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I continue to be flabbergasted at the Bitcoinica clusterf*ck. How on earth any one with any sense thinks they should keep posting on a public forum when the threat of legal action hangs over their heads is beyond me.

Honestly- Zhou, why are you still writing on the forum? Just post a message: "My lawyer has advised me to give no further comment" and leave it at that (and of course, actually get a lawyer). You're insane to keep writing anything here. Everyones answer to everything at this point in time should be: "no comment".

As for AurumExchange and bitInstant, I can't see how either of you have any real right to post this information in the forums either. You obviously redacted some of it, knowing that it could be sensitive in a legal setting, but I think you really open yourselves up to some sort of legal action. Imagine if all this goes to trial, Zhou is cleared and he turns around and sues for liable? I think any court would ask first and formost, if he hasn't yet been convicted- why go public?

Anyway, this is insane that it continues. I guess part of us loves the drama, but for goodness sake stop the madness. With all the posts back and forth there is no way for none of you to have not contradicted yourselves in some technical way, and lawyers for whomever your opposing party may be will definitely pick every letter written apart to find it. Everyone go get lawyers and hush the heck up!

Post the court transcripts when ready, until then- don't work so hard at extending your potential sentences!

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July 26, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
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I continue to be flabbergasted at the Bitcoinica clusterf*ck. How on earth any one with any sense thinks they should keep posting on a public forum when the threat of legal action hangs over their heads is beyond me.

Honestly- Zhou, why are you still writing on the forum? Just post a message: "My lawyer has advised me to give no further comment" and leave it at that (and of course, actually get a lawyer). You're insane to keep writing anything here. Everyones answer to everything at this point in time should be: "no comment".

As for AurumExchange and bitInstant, I can't see how either of you have any real right to post this information in the forums either. You obviously redacted some of it, knowing that it could be sensitive in a legal setting, but I think you really open yourselves up to some sort of legal action. Imagine if all this goes to trial, Zhou is cleared and he turns around and sues for liable? I think any court would ask first and formost, if he hasn't yet been convicted- why go public?

Anyway, this is insane that it continues. I guess part of us loves the drama, but for goodness sake stop the madness. With all the posts back and forth there is no way for none of you to have not contradicted yourselves in some technical way, and lawyers for whomever your opposing party may be will definitely pick every letter written apart to find it. Everyone go get lawyers and hush the heck up!

Post the court transcripts when ready, until then- don't work so hard at extending your potential sentences!

If they didnt do anything we would still be in the dark.

I personnally appreciate that the exchange are willing to divulge information helping the case.

Of course it is a shame that no legal actions yet was taken or police involved, but this responsability should have been first the responsability of the INTERSANGO TEAM.. How irresponsible it is to declare nothing when you ve got 400k stolen ? At least at this point it seems they were "just" irresponsible & incompetent and are cleaned from any scam attempts.

Regarding Zhou, as the issue is going right now, It would be really early to comment at this point. He is either a very trustworthy guy or a scumbag, hard to say which one with proof. My gut feeling says he is clean but thats just a feeling. We'll have to see what happens next

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July 26, 2012, 01:39:22 PM
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Wow, what a thread to wake up to.  Top priority is to get everyone's money back to them.  I'm pretty sure in Singapore you would get the death penalty for this.  Good luck!
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July 26, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
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New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

Selling LR funds for RMB6.2 each, to be paid through TenPay (http://www.tenpay.com)

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

I can sell whatever amount that you require (literal: I have unlimited funds)

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

I'm helping a friend to sell

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

Amounts below $10000 USD is okay.

Ryan(11853074) 20:17:18

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And  zhoutong's LR account is :


zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!

New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

I'm sorry but,
  • Who are you?
  • Are you claiming you have evidence that LR account U9236056 is controlled by Zhou Thong? Could you really prove that?
  • What do all those Chinese symbols in your post mean?

Thanks

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July 26, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
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New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

Selling LR funds for RMB6.2 each, to be paid through TenPay (http://www.tenpay.com)

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

I can sell whatever amount that you require (literal: I have unlimited funds)

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

I'm helping a friend to sell

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

Amounts below $10000 USD is okay.

Ryan(11853074) 20:17:18

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And  zhoutong's LR account is :


zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!

New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

I'm sorry but,
  • Who are you?
  • Are you claiming you have evidence that LR account U9236056 is controlled by Zhou Thong? Could you really prove that?
  • What do all those Chinese symbols in your post mean?

Thanks

Translated.

literaly unlimted..
why bother saying they are helping a friend to sell, as it just makes a buyer leary under normal circumstances?
This was shortly before hack. Likely, right after said person realized they could still have access to fully loaded Gox account.
They likely assumed they would have no issues cleaning the place out since they had full access..

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July 26, 2012, 02:04:19 PM
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Why hasn't anyone in control of Bitcoinica filed a criminal complaint regarding the hacking? Multiple "hacks" and not a single criminal complaint in progress? TBH, I'm glad MTGox and AurumXChange were willing to say something. Sounds like they are just as frustrated about the lack of engagement of law enforcement in serious computer intrusion and monetary criminal behavior. And how is it libel? They state an email connected with Zhou Tong was used and even Zhou Tong acknowledges that to be the case.

Seriously, you 3 together have done a much better investigation than any "actual investigation" most official judges or police bureaus in the world would. The only think you lack is "authority".

Yes, such a good investigation, and yet they can't prove anything and decided to release private customer information and libel against a customer in the process.

Class act.

Zhou, get a lawyer, but get one to sue these shmucks.


It is not up to any of us to judge if funds should be unlocked, we should have an actual court with an actual judge do an actual investigation first.

Instead, it's your job to libel against customers for things you have no proof of?


I'm gonna take a break from Bitcoin for a while. When I come back, I hope to see that it's returned to being Bitcoin again and not just a microversion of the US government with a bunch of hot-head businesses eager for attention.
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July 26, 2012, 02:07:38 PM
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New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

日期:2012-7-12

Ryan(11853074) 20:03:18

Selling LR funds for RMB6.2 each, to be paid through TenPay (http://www.tenpay.com)

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:06

I can sell whatever amount that you require (literal: I have unlimited funds)

Ryan(11853074) 20:13:12

I'm helping a friend to sell

Ryan(11853074) 20:14:06

Amounts below $10000 USD is okay.

Ryan(11853074) 20:17:18

LibertyReserve

And  zhoutong's LR account is :


zhoutong said The hacker registered a Liberty Reserve account U9236056 at Jul 12, 2012 9:42 PM.

So now everyone knows zhoutong is the hacker!!!

New evidence shows that zhoutong is the hacker.

After Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised ,zhoutong sell LR in China.

I'm sorry but,
  • Who are you?
  • Are you claiming you have evidence that LR account U9236056 is controlled by Zhou Thong? Could you really prove that?
  • What do all those Chinese symbols in your post mean?

Thanks

Translated.

literaly unlimted..
why bother saying they are helping a friend to sell, as it just makes a buyer leary under normal circumstances?
This was shortly before hack. Likely, right after said person realized they could still have access to fully loaded Gox account.
They likely assumed they would have no issues cleaning the place out since they had full access..


ZT,

So a hacker compromised this gmail account of yours?
How long ago did you notice someone else was using the email account?
Why did you not contact services that this email account was used for to inform them?
where else was this email account even known?  
Who knew you used this email account for anything?

I would really like a better timeline on this email account..??

anyone?

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July 26, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
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Those of you that have LastPass should take the "LastPass Security Challenge". It takes all of your stored passwords and checks to see how many times they are re-used across all your stored sites. I'm in the process of improving my score by visiting each and every stored website and changing the password from a shared one to a unique generated one. It will take a while because there are hundreds to visit. However, this hack points out the absolute reliance that most people have on email as a last form of authentication, which is a shame.

Even one of my banks has a limit of 12 character password with no symbols, and only one other bank has the option to disable email password resets.

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July 26, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
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I have located a suspect, his name is 陈建海(Chen Jianhai). He's NOT my friend and we have never met in person. He was one of my previous business associates because he's very familiar with credit card fraud and he advised me a lot (in terms of fraud prevention, of course) when I built my virtual goods payment processor in late 2010.

He has knowledge of my secret gmail address and I have once re-used the password in his web shop

His English is not very proficient and I'm sure that he's not reading this forum at the moment. I'm giving him a call now to persuade him to admit his wrong-doing and return the funds.

I'll post another thread soon.

I was one of the first to predict that zhoutong had taken the money in an inside job.

I'm now going to predict that he'll discover his "acquaintance" took the money and it will be returned shortly.   Undecided

And I predict there will still be people that think he is innocent in all this...

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July 26, 2012, 02:12:41 PM
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Even one of my banks has a limit of 12 character password with no symbols, and only one other bank has the option to disable email password resets.

There is a Canadian bank that only allows a 6 character password (not sure about symbols) for its web banking. I LOLed when their form refused to allow me to enter something longer.

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July 26, 2012, 02:13:04 PM
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I was one of the first to predict that zhoutong had taken the money in an inside job.

I'm now going to predict that he'll discover his "acquaintance" took the money and it will be returned shortly.   Undecided

And I predict there will still be people that think he is innocent in all this...

Do keep up.  You're "predicting' stuff which was posted a couple of hours ago.

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July 26, 2012, 02:14:11 PM
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Wow, roflmao here.

I have located a suspect, his name is 陈建海(Chen Jianhai). He's NOT my friend and we have never met in person. He was one of my previous business associates because he's very familiar with credit card fraud and he advised me a lot (in terms of fraud prevention, of course) when I built my virtual goods payment processor in late 2010.

He has knowledge of my secret gmail address and I have once re-used the password in his web shop

His English is not very proficient and I'm sure that he's not reading this forum at the moment. I'm giving him a call now to persuade him to admit his wrong-doing and return the funds.

I'll post another thread soon.
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