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[darkmule]

Yeah I agree. My first impression was that this guy was attempting to copy a SWC support person based on the response.

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll. 

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that? 

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[wwwin]

Yeah I agree. My first impression was that this guy was attempting to copy a SWC support person based on the response.

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll.  

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that?  

I don't spend my whole life reading this thread nor any other SWC thread so I don't know about this guy. Nonetheless the response  from the rep was unprofessional. SWC is not well served by this rep. The troll should have been ignored.

[Dogedigital]

Do we get table starter rakeback on OFC? 

Also... for today... if anyone wants to play me OFC headsup at 5, 8, or 15 chips a point for 3 hours straight, I'll give them 10% losses back if I win.

Let me know.

[ranlo]

Do we get table starter rakeback on OFC? 

Also... for today... if anyone wants to play me OFC headsup at 5, 8, or 15 chips a point for 3 hours straight, I'll give them 10% losses back if I win.

Let me know.

What does "OFC" stand for?

[nioc]

Do we get table starter rakeback on OFC? 

Also... for today... if anyone wants to play me OFC headsup at 5, 8, or 15 chips a point for 3 hours straight, I'll give them 10% losses back if I win.

Let me know.

What does "OFC" stand for?

open face Chinese

[ranlo]

Do we get table starter rakeback on OFC? 

Also... for today... if anyone wants to play me OFC headsup at 5, 8, or 15 chips a point for 3 hours straight, I'll give them 10% losses back if I win.

Let me know.

What does "OFC" stand for?

open face Chinese

I didn't even realize there was a "Chinese" tab. Just opened the table and I have no idea what that is. Guess it's time to do some research, . Thanks!

[WearsMyLiberty]

Is Krill rewarded based on individual rake contribution, or divided based on all dealt players?

i.e., let's say 1 krill = 1 chip in rake
There's 5 people on the table
3 fold, leaving 2
Those 2 build the pot up enough to bring in 5 chips worth of rake

In this scenario, is it:
1) Each player gets 1 Krill (5/5=1) or
2) Players 1-3 get nothing, the two that stayed in each get 2.5 (5/2=2.5)?

It is divided to all players dealt in to the hand.  The formula for Krill is:

√(rake) multiplied by (5 / players dealt) then multiplied by any other bonus factor currently in effect and finally rounded down to the nearest tenth of a Krill

Thanks for that. So essentially... (let's assume a 6-person table)

The minimum rake would be 9/625 (0.0144) to get credit (sqrt(9/625)*5/6=0.1).
The minimum pot for this rake would be 0.576 (2.5%*x=9/625).
Breaking this down for 9 players would result in a minimum pot of 1.296.

So it IS possible to gain Krill on the micro-stakes, so long as there are 6 or fewer players and the pot gets to 0.576 (or a pot of ~1.3 chips with 9 players).

All of this is also excluding the bonuses.

Just wanted to share this in case someone finds an error with my math or, like me, is curious as to what ends up gaining Krill, . I was actually under the impression it was nearly impossible on the lower stakes to gain it (like with most sites), so this was a big eye opener!

Yeah, you can earn Krill on the lower stakes.  Your math seems to be right to me at first look. 

The only level that you can't is the .01/.02 tables because they don't take a rake.  Above that the pot has to be at least 0.4 chips for rake to be taken and Krill to be possible.

Do we get table starter rakeback on OFC? 

No, Tablestarter applies when playing 2 or 3 handed at tables with 6 or more seats.

[ranlo]

Is Krill rewarded based on individual rake contribution, or divided based on all dealt players?

i.e., let's say 1 krill = 1 chip in rake
There's 5 people on the table
3 fold, leaving 2
Those 2 build the pot up enough to bring in 5 chips worth of rake

In this scenario, is it:
1) Each player gets 1 Krill (5/5=1) or
2) Players 1-3 get nothing, the two that stayed in each get 2.5 (5/2=2.5)?

It is divided to all players dealt in to the hand.  The formula for Krill is:

√(rake) multiplied by (5 / players dealt) then multiplied by any other bonus factor currently in effect and finally rounded down to the nearest tenth of a Krill

Thanks for that. So essentially... (let's assume a 6-person table)

The minimum rake would be 9/625 (0.0144) to get credit (sqrt(9/625)*5/6=0.1).
The minimum pot for this rake would be 0.576 (2.5%*x=9/625).
Breaking this down for 9 players would result in a minimum pot of 1.296.

So it IS possible to gain Krill on the micro-stakes, so long as there are 6 or fewer players and the pot gets to 0.576 (or a pot of ~1.3 chips with 9 players).

All of this is also excluding the bonuses.

Just wanted to share this in case someone finds an error with my math or, like me, is curious as to what ends up gaining Krill, . I was actually under the impression it was nearly impossible on the lower stakes to gain it (like with most sites), so this was a big eye opener!

Yeah, you can earn Krill on the lower stakes.  Your math seems to be right to me at first look. 

The only level that you can't is the .01/.02 tables because they don't take a rake.  Above that the pot has to be at least 0.4 chips for rake to be taken and Krill to be possible.

Do we get table starter rakeback on OFC? 

No, Tablestarter applies when playing 2 or 3 handed at tables with 6 or more seats.

I wasn't aware that 0.01/0.02 don't take rake. Interesting choice, as that's where a lot of people push all-in with nothing.

[Thatstinks]

Yeah I agree. My first impression was that this guy was attempting to copy a SWC support person based on the response.

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll.  

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that?  

Maybe you are gullible, he didn't refer to me when he said

My first impression was that this guy was attempting to copy a SWC support person based on the response.

What he refers to is the unprofessional way in which we the players are replied to, it looked like a copy cat because it was so bad.

No where can I be confused for them, heck I am the one asking the questions.

As far as having been stolen from, wrong guy.

The unprofessionalism that WWWIN mentioned is rearing it's head again in this thread...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/very-suspicious-play-swc-felt-cheated-1545749/

[Thatstinks]

Yeah I agree. My first impression was that this guy was attempting to copy a SWC support person based on the response.

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll.  

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that?  

Maybe you are gullible, he didn't refer to me when he said

My first impression was that this guy was attempting to copy a SWC support person based on the response.

What he refers to is the unprofessional way in which we the players are replied to, it looked like a copy cat because it was so bad and rude.

No where can I be confused for them, heck I am the one asking the questions.

As far as having been stolen from, wrong guy. I have posted solely on this site. Perhaps as the numbers of members with complaints and or concerns grow you'll get the tin foil hat off and realize it is not just one guy.

The unprofessionalism that WWWIN mentioned is rearing it's head again in this thread...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/very-suspicious-play-swc-felt-cheated-1545749/

@Darkmule, maybe its the same guy again who started that thread LOL, gullible, ironic choice of words you chose there.

[WearsMyLiberty]

I wasn't aware that 0.01/0.02 don't take rake. Interesting choice, as that's where a lot of people push all-in with nothing.

Yeah, I think they just offer the very lowest levels rake-free to help people out.  It was like that on the old site too when the first .01/.02 table was introduced.  Other games like the .10 tournaments and .01/pt OFC are also rake-free.


On a separate note, as I was just looking through the tabs I realized that this Sunday is going to have the 5k, 20k, and 75k Krillrolls running.



So there are still a few days left to Krill up to the next level if you need it.

[ranlo]

I wasn't aware that 0.01/0.02 don't take rake. Interesting choice, as that's where a lot of people push all-in with nothing.

Yeah, I think they just offer the very lowest levels rake-free to help people out.  It was like that on the old site too when the first .01/.02 table was introduced.  Other games like the .10 tournaments and .01/pt OFC are also rake-free.


On a separate note, as I was just looking through the tabs I realized that this Sunday is going to have the 5k, 20k, and 75k Krillrolls running.



So there are still a few days left to Krill up to the next level if you need it.

On the OFC thing, I did some reading/videos learning how to play. I'm a bit confused as to how the users' funds are represented on the site, though. For example, you'll see "10.56 (211)" and "9.02 (180)" as balances. What do these represent?

[WearsMyLiberty]

On the OFC thing, I did some reading/videos learning how to play. I'm a bit confused as to how the users' funds are represented on the site, though. For example, you'll see "10.56 (211)" and "9.02 (180)" as balances. What do these represent?

The first number is chips, and the number in parenthesis is the amount in "points" that are still in play.

So if you sat at .01/pt with 2 chips, you would see "2 (200)".

When you go in to Fantasyland it is an extension of the previous hand, and points can only be wagered once.  So during Fantasyland you will see the points in parenthesis be different than the number of chips. 

Since Fantasyland is counted as being the same hand you are limited to winning or losing only the amount you started the original hand with.  Once you have won your limit or your opponent has lost theirs Fantasyland is over, even if you lay down a qualifying hand.

[ranlo]

On the OFC thing, I did some reading/videos learning how to play. I'm a bit confused as to how the users' funds are represented on the site, though. For example, you'll see "10.56 (211)" and "9.02 (180)" as balances. What do these represent?

The first number is chips, and the number in parenthesis is the amount in "points" that are still in play.

So if you sat at .01/pt with 2 chips, you would see "2 (200)".

When you go in to Fantasyland it is an extension of the previous hand, and points can only be wagered once.  So during Fantasyland you will see the points in parenthesis be different than the number of chips. 

Since Fantasyland is counted as being the same hand you are limited to winning or losing only the amount you started the original hand with.  Once you have won your limit or your opponent has lost theirs Fantasyland is over, even if you lay down a qualifying hand.

Awesome explanation. Thank you! This also explains why someone (on 0.01) just got to "0.96 (68)." Cool game, still learning but plan to give it a go soon, .

[dave23]

... people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years.....

LOL!

[smartass author=dave23]
how does one openly remain anonymous?   
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...well there SHOULD be a bbcode tag for smartass

[FanEagle]

When you live in the basement and your mother gives you all you need and you always navigate the internet under proxies, vpns and tor that's how you become openly anonymous or invisible.

[SwC_Poker]

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll. 

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that? 

You're absolutely right. I should have been more level headed about these things. I'm not a PR guy, they arrested the person that was good at that role. I'm a developer wearing an ill-fitting PR hat. After constant replies from this troll not taking no for an answer and him making FUD posts on tons of forums I reacted poorly. I should have ignored him, which is what I'll do in response to trolling in the future. Gomenasai, please forgive me. ;_;

[TippingPoint]

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll.  

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that?  

You're absolutely right. I should have been more level headed about these things. I'm not a PR guy, they arrested the person that was good at that role. I'm a developer wearing an ill-fitting PR hat. After constant replies from this troll not taking no for an answer and him making FUD posts on tons of forums I reacted poorly. I should have ignored him, which is what I'll do in response to trolling in the future. Gomenasai, please forgive me. ;_;

That is a very good reply.  Your finest hour is yet to come.  Dogs howl, but the caravan moves on.

[ranlo]

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll. 

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that? 

You're absolutely right. I should have been more level headed about these things. I'm not a PR guy, they arrested the person that was good at that role. I'm a developer wearing an ill-fitting PR hat. After constant replies from this troll not taking no for an answer and him making FUD posts on tons of forums I reacted poorly. I should have ignored him, which is what I'll do in response to trolling in the future. Gomenasai, please forgive me. ;_;

Interesting... who was arrested, and what for? I followed the SWC situation somewhat loosely but never heard about that.

[sherbyspark]

You're pretty gullible, I guess.  Because this is the same idiot who has been trolling and making ridiculous accusations on a shit-ton of sites, claiming Micon personally stole Bitcoin from him (and then disappearing when pressed on details), and otherwise shitposting on other sites as well as this one.

ETA:  I suppose you have a point they could have reacted more for the benefit of casual observers.  I'm under no such obligation myself, but they're probably sick of dealing with this troll. 

And when someone demands contact information on people who clearly and openly have remained anonymous for years, why do they expect a polite response to bullshit like that? 

You're absolutely right. I should have been more level headed about these things. I'm not a PR guy, they arrested the person that was good at that role. I'm a developer wearing an ill-fitting PR hat. After constant replies from this troll not taking no for an answer and him making FUD posts on tons of forums I reacted poorly. I should have ignored him, which is what I'll do in response to trolling in the future. Gomenasai, please forgive me. ;_;

Interesting... who was arrested, and what for? I followed the SWC situation somewhat loosely but never heard about that.

They probably mean Micon who was not exactly arrested but was charged with running SWC even though he was only the PR person.