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July 04, 2016, 04:59:17 AM
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I do agree that seals management should come here and make a statement and man up, hopefully they are too busy fixing the site. Roll Eyes


LOL.  Yes, that seems likely...right.

I think a lot of players have confidence in SwC because the original SealsWithClubs had a long history of honesty and integrity.  Just remember that SwC 2.0 has completely different ownership, management, support, and software.  As far as I know, there are no holdovers from the original SealsWithClubs.

If SwC opened a year ago under any other name, the ineptitude, mismanagement, and false promises would have forced the site to shut down within a couple of months.  The fact they are still (barely) in business is pretty much a product of a misplaced sense of loyalty that some players feel towards the new site.  Slightly irrational since the people who earned this trust in their operation of the original Seals have nothing to do with this new site.  The only thing that SwC 2.0 has demonstrated is an appalling level of apathy towards how players feel about their numerous missteps.

The track-record for this version of SwC is only about a year long and it is almost entirely negative.  The only thing they have not yet done is outright steal, and their incredibly apparent financial troubles make me nervous that theft in the future isn't totally out of the realm of possibilities.

As far as I know, you don't know much.

Let's make more baseless accusations.


You sit here and post every day because they took away your welfare rolls, it's well known that you're just a disgruntled losing player and have stated numerous times that you want to bleed the site dry.

counting all their transgressions and all the bad communication it's still the best btc only site.

Try the support at betcoin or WPN, tell me they give a flying fuck about their customers.

I believe when SwC 2.0 first started, Micon stated that there were no holdovers from the original Seals management/development team except himself.  Since he is also gone from SwC 2.0, it seems pretty clear that there are no original Seals ownership/management/development persons still on board at the new site.  I also don't think you know the definition of the word "accusation" or "baseless".  The little snippet that you quoted, bolded, and responded to isn't an accusation.  That statement doesn't imply that I think they've outright stolen, but rather that the circumstances make me nervous about the potential of something like that occurring.  It's also not baseless, because look, here's the base: "their incredibly apparent financial troubles".  People in dire circumstances have been known to steal, particularly in the BTC-economy.

I've lost faaaaaaaar more on the original Seals and I never spoke out against their management.  I loved it there.  I don't play poker to support myself; I don't have any pressure.  I can afford to gamble/lose whatever amount I deposit anywhere.  Yes, I tilt and I get frustrated sometimes.  I also say a lot of stuff in the heat of the moment.  But my recent comments on SwC has nothing to do with wins or losses, or tilt. 

I don't think "well, it's not the worst out there" is a really convincing argument and at this point, it seems that SwC gives no fucks about their customers either.

Also, just because they're not on here making public statements does not mean that they don't hear the complaints, and every one of your concerns has been addressed in the main chat in seals, multiple times. They know they fucked up by not running the 20k krillroll and have already said that they will run one soon with ample notice.
First, it's more than strange that a site that desperately needs new people to join won't comment on its most public platform with any meaningful remarks concerning complaints and dissatisfaction.

Second, saying "Yup, we fucked you, but don't worry, something good will happen later on maybe" isn't addressing concerns.  Any statements made have been more or less this vague.  Sorry for not buying "later" as a well-thought-out plan.  The site hasn't fixed or added the numerous things that they have been "addressing" since SwC 2.0 opened.  They "addressed" new clients, "addressed" hand history fixes, "addressed" disconnect issues many months ago....weird that nothing actually happened with any of those issues.
Maybe they'll bring back the 20k, maybe with it's prize slashed again....they sure as hell aren't going to bring back the $ value of all the promos that they just cut tho (nor does it seem like they can scrape up the money to afford to.)

Last, in the past few days alone, there have been like 20+ posts made by more than half a dozen people voicing their concerns about SwC.  I'm not sure why you decided to attack me personally when there are just as many people in here saying variations of the same thing I am.

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July 04, 2016, 08:48:40 AM
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so... would this be a bad time to post my referral link?



https://swcpoker.eu/?ref=mrcuzamano

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July 04, 2016, 08:54:10 AM
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so... would this be a bad time to post my referral link?



https://swcpoker.eu/?ref=mrcuzamano

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July 04, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
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I created an account yesterday. Won on a freeroll, lost a small amount on a cash game, went to bed and when I woke up my balance was 3x higher. Anyone know why?
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July 04, 2016, 03:50:00 PM
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I created an account yesterday. Won on a freeroll, lost a small amount on a cash game, went to bed and when I woke up my balance was 3x higher. Anyone know why?

thats some run good there.

reminds me of the time Annette Obrestad had one of her online accounts hacked.  The person jumped on some high stakes tables and before the support got here account back, the hacker had won some 20k or something like that.  was crazy and she got to keep the winnings
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July 04, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
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I created an account yesterday. Won on a freeroll, lost a small amount on a cash game, went to bed and when I woke up my balance was 3x higher. Anyone know why?

It would not normally make your balance 3x higher, but rakeback, and table starter rakeback were paid yesterday.  Check Cashier, Transactions.  
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July 04, 2016, 05:10:17 PM
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It would not normally make your balance 3x higher, but rakeback, and table starter rakeback were paid yesterday.  Check Cashier, Transactions.  

It doesn't show any transactions. Would a transfer from another player show up in transactions in the off chance somebody sent me a tip? Is there a page that shows winnings?

EDIT: it was a tip from another player. It just showed up in cashier. What a nice guy Smiley
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EDIT: it was a tip from another player. It just showed up in cashier. What a nice guy Smiley

That happens.  Random Acts of Kindness™ amidst an ocean of depravity.
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July 07, 2016, 05:02:14 AM
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It is absolutely true that we were running promotions that were not working (acquiring new players) and that were not sustainable in our current financial situation. However, the company is 100 percent solvent and our number one priority is to protect customer funds.

Not one mBTC of customer money is ever used for operations, marketing, or any other purpose. All customer deposits/winnings are segregated and totally secure.

The sad truth is that we inherited a piece of software that hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management before the unfortunate events early last year. We have been way too slow to admit that. We've made tremendous progress in correcting the uncountable bugs and glitches that existed from Day One. Much more needs to be done, and we are doing it. We can't give a timeline, because we dont know how long it will take.

Despite that, we believe we have a more than functional, working product, that can compete with any site that is now operating. That, coupled with our legitimate rake cuts should eventually increase traffic. Once that happens, we plan on ramping up rewards again. So Krill will remain a viable, lifetime reward. Last month’s cancelled 1,000 Chip 20k Krill Freeroll has been relisted on Saturday July 16th.

Our silence has ended.

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July 07, 2016, 05:23:41 AM
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It is absolutely true that we were running promotions that were not working (acquiring new players) and that were not sustainable in our current financial situation. However, the company is 100 percent solvent and our number one priority is to protect customer funds.

Not one mBTC of customer money is ever used for operations, marketing, or any other purpose. All customer deposits/winnings are segregated and totally secure.

The sad truth is that we inherited a piece of software that hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management before the unfortunate events early last year. We have been way too slow to admit that. We've made tremendous progress in correcting the uncountable bugs and glitches that existed from Day One. Much more needs to be done, and we are doing it. We can't give a timeline, because we dont know how long it will take.

Despite that, we believe we have a more than functional, working product, that can compete with any site that is now operating. That, coupled with our legitimate rake cuts should eventually increase traffic. Once that happens, we plan on ramping up rewards again. So Krill will remain a viable, lifetime reward. Last month’s cancelled 1,000 Chip 20k Krill Freeroll has been relisted on Saturday July 16th.

Our silence has ended.

Would you submit to an audit by a trusted member of the community to prove that what you are saying is true?

Anyway, what you are saying is true (except the marketing part...you don't seem to do any marketing).  Your site CAN compete with any site currently operating (sans Stars).  If you run and market it correctly.  Literally nobody wants the site to do poorly.  Everybody is rooting for you.  Unfortunately, your track record is poor so you have that to overcome.  Please please please hire a poker room manager and a marketing manager who can get people onto the site and stay on the site.  Your site has a ton of potential but you are dropping the ball in a big bad way.
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July 07, 2016, 05:51:00 AM
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It is absolutely true that we were running promotions that were not working (acquiring new players) and that were not sustainable in our current financial situation. However, the company is 100 percent solvent and our number one priority is to protect customer funds.

Not one mBTC of customer money is ever used for operations, marketing, or any other purpose. All customer deposits/winnings are segregated and totally secure.

The sad truth is that we inherited a piece of software that hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management before the unfortunate events early last year. We have been way too slow to admit that. We've made tremendous progress in correcting the uncountable bugs and glitches that existed from Day One. Much more needs to be done, and we are doing it. We can't give a timeline, because we dont know how long it will take.

Despite that, we believe we have a more than functional, working product, that can compete with any site that is now operating. That, coupled with our legitimate rake cuts should eventually increase traffic. Once that happens, we plan on ramping up rewards again. So Krill will remain a viable, lifetime reward. Last month’s cancelled 1,000 Chip 20k Krill Freeroll has been relisted on Saturday July 16th.

Our silence has ended.

Would you submit to an audit by a trusted member of the community to prove that what you are saying is true?

Anyway, what you are saying is true (except the marketing part...you don't seem to do any marketing).  Your site CAN compete with any site currently operating (sans Stars).  If you run and market it correctly.  Literally nobody wants the site to do poorly.  Everybody is rooting for you.  Unfortunately, your track record is poor so you have that to overcome.  Please please please hire a poker room manager and a marketing manager who can get people onto the site and stay on the site.  Your site has a ton of potential but you are dropping the ball in a big bad way.

As a private, very closely held concern, we don't share our business plans, financials, or other proprietary information with anyone. However, if there was even a scintilla of evidence that we were not solvent, or not paying withdrawals in a highly timely manner, we would consider an audit.

We have excellent poker room and marketing staffs, we just didn't let them do their jobs properly until now. That is all part of the changes that started with the rake reduction. We botched the Krill Roll, now we're making that right. It all starts now.

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July 07, 2016, 10:12:41 AM
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I'm glad to hear from management!  It seems traffic has picked up this week. I've seen some new players playing some decent size stakes. I really hope if it continues to pick up you make the krill leaderboard prizes what they were a few weeks ago. 500 chips for 1st, 300 for 2nd, 200 for 3rd etc. I think it created a lot of action and started a bunch of new games. Especially as the weekend approached and people were fighting for position. The incentive isn't quite the same with the new payouts but I still love SWC. 
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July 07, 2016, 11:46:15 AM
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It is absolutely true that we were running promotions that were not working (acquiring new players) and that were not sustainable in our current financial situation. However, the company is 100 percent solvent and our number one priority is to protect customer funds.

Not one mBTC of customer money is ever used for operations, marketing, or any other purpose. All customer deposits/winnings are segregated and totally secure.

The sad truth is that we inherited a piece of software that hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management before the unfortunate events early last year. We have been way too slow to admit that. We've made tremendous progress in correcting the uncountable bugs and glitches that existed from Day One. Much more needs to be done, and we are doing it. We can't give a timeline, because we dont know how long it will take.

Despite that, we believe we have a more than functional, working product, that can compete with any site that is now operating. That, coupled with our legitimate rake cuts should eventually increase traffic. Once that happens, we plan on ramping up rewards again. So Krill will remain a viable, lifetime reward. Last month’s cancelled 1,000 Chip 20k Krill Freeroll has been relisted on Saturday July 16th.

Our silence has ended.

Would you submit to an audit by a trusted member of the community to prove that what you are saying is true?

Anyway, what you are saying is true (except the marketing part...you don't seem to do any marketing).  Your site CAN compete with any site currently operating (sans Stars).  If you run and market it correctly.  Literally nobody wants the site to do poorly.  Everybody is rooting for you.  Unfortunately, your track record is poor so you have that to overcome.  Please please please hire a poker room manager and a marketing manager who can get people onto the site and stay on the site.  Your site has a ton of potential but you are dropping the ball in a big bad way.

As a private, very closely held concern, we don't share our business plans, financials, or other proprietary information with anyone. However, if there was even a scintilla of evidence that we were not solvent, or not paying withdrawals in a highly timely manner, we would consider an audit.

We have excellent poker room and marketing staffs, we just didn't let them do their jobs properly until now. That is all part of the changes that started with the rake reduction. We botched the Krill Roll, now we're making that right. It all starts now.

My last recent withdrawal was processed in 30 minutes.  Thank you.

In regards to promos may I suggest something that makes players login and/or play everyday or at least frequently.  Low rake is good but in and of itself does not cause people to login and play. 

Internet poker has been around for almost 20 years which is how long I have been playing it.  I have seen what works and what doesn't.  There was a site that you could play virtually rake free and it went nowhere.  Yes times change and every situation is unique.  Wishing you success.

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July 07, 2016, 01:53:53 PM
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i have a question. I had a user/pass on SealsWithClubs.eu
you told everyone to take the funds out but i never did it was nothing big just a little
today i went and found that my user/pass works on the new site.
when i loged in i see i have 34 krill but no funds. I guess the funds where not moved over.
so that btc is lost ? i guess
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July 07, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
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The sad truth is that we inherited a piece of software that hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management before the unfortunate events early last year. We have been way too slow to admit that. We've made tremendous progress in correcting the uncountable bugs and glitches that existed from Day One. Much more needs to be done, and we are doing it. We can't give a timeline, because we dont know how long it will take.

Despite that, we believe we have a more than functional, working product, that can compete with any site that is now operating. That, coupled with our legitimate rake cuts should eventually increase traffic. Once that happens, we plan on ramping up rewards again. So Krill will remain a viable, lifetime reward. Last month’s cancelled 1,000 Chip 20k Krill Freeroll has been relisted on Saturday July 16th.

Our silence has ended.

Sick attempt at blame shifting.  So you're saying your software hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management.  Two problems with this.  1) The SwC 2.0 software wasn't actually being used by the prior management except in beta trials; the main site ran on Mavens 2)  The implication of your attempt to shift blame suggests that you started SwC 2.0 and ran the software for the public without actually vetting it yourselfYou took an unreleased piece of software that hadn't been properly tested and you released it without vetting it yourself!  Yup, that seems responsible.

Second, your hand history system is broken.  One of the most fundamental and rudimentary function, available at every poker site has, does not work at SwC 2.0  It really takes you guys more than a year to get around to this?  That shows a lot of commitment. 

Last, krill is not obviously not a "viable, lifetime" reward.  That's pretty clear from the events that unfolded in the past couple of weeks.  Lol, at the 20krill reward---what about the 75krill, the 150krill that you cut and have no immediate plans to reinstate??  Can you guys really not come up with the $1400-$1500 a month to run those anymore?  Are you really asking us to trust a site that can't afford to spend $1400-$1500 a month???  And you want us to trust it without any independent audit of course.
LOL at your response to the earlier suggestion of having an independent audit.  Your response basically amounted to "well, we haven't stolen yet, so we're gonna refuse an audit.  If we do steal in the future, then we will comply with audit requests."  Hahaha.  The entire point of an audit is to inform us before-the-fact that the site will remain solvent in the future; there's no use in auditing a site once they're already unable to process withdrawals.
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July 07, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
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Get over it, Micon royally fucked up when he promoted Seals from Nevada.  Someone pointed out seals 1.0 would
still be around if he had done it from ANY OTHER STATE THAN NEVADA.  But of course Micon is a gambling addict
and had to be in the gambling Mecca.

As far as the krillrolls and the shitty 2.0 software, get over it, life isn't a fairy tale, they can't afford to bleed money.

Also, the deflationary nature of bitcoin makes it hard for them to run a 1 BTC freeroll every month or so.   I don't
really blame them for reducing the reward amount from time to time.

Look at the cash games running and how low the rake is.  I'm guessing it barely covers those 20K Krillrolls.

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Our silence has ended.

That will help.

If you can keep a reasonable fraction of the new players who actually deposit, you will grow.

If you can create periodic attention-getting promotions, many of your players will post about them in various poker forums.  How about some StarsSucks™ incentive for PLO players, for example?  Consider creating one rotating, rake-free table.  Sometimes high stakes, sometimes low stakes.  We will make it famous.

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The 20k freeroll is back
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July 07, 2016, 11:39:56 PM
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The sad truth is that we inherited a piece of software that hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management before the unfortunate events early last year. We have been way too slow to admit that. We've made tremendous progress in correcting the uncountable bugs and glitches that existed from Day One. Much more needs to be done, and we are doing it. We can't give a timeline, because we dont know how long it will take.

Despite that, we believe we have a more than functional, working product, that can compete with any site that is now operating. That, coupled with our legitimate rake cuts should eventually increase traffic. Once that happens, we plan on ramping up rewards again. So Krill will remain a viable, lifetime reward. Last month’s cancelled 1,000 Chip 20k Krill Freeroll has been relisted on Saturday July 16th.

Our silence has ended.

Sick attempt at blame shifting.  So you're saying your software hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management.  Two problems with this.  1) The SwC 2.0 software wasn't actually being used by the prior management except in beta trials; the main site ran on Mavens 2)  The implication of your attempt to shift blame suggests that you started SwC 2.0 and ran the software for the public without actually vetting it yourselfYou took an unreleased piece of software that hadn't been properly tested and you released it without vetting it yourself!  Yup, that seems responsible.

Second, your hand history system is broken.  One of the most fundamental and rudimentary function, available at every poker site has, does not work at SwC 2.0  It really takes you guys more than a year to get around to this?  That shows a lot of commitment. 

Last, krill is not obviously not a "viable, lifetime" reward.  That's pretty clear from the events that unfolded in the past couple of weeks.  Lol, at the 20krill reward---what about the 75krill, the 150krill that you cut and have no immediate plans to reinstate??  Can you guys really not come up with the $1400-$1500 a month to run those anymore?  Are you really asking us to trust a site that can't afford to spend $1400-$1500 a month???  And you want us to trust it without any independent audit of course.
LOL at your response to the earlier suggestion of having an independent audit.  Your response basically amounted to "well, we haven't stolen yet, so we're gonna refuse an audit.  If we do steal in the future, then we will comply with audit requests."  Hahaha.  The entire point of an audit is to inform us before-the-fact that the site will remain solvent in the future; there's no use in auditing a site once they're already unable to process withdrawals.



Dude, why are you such a cunt? I understand you want to keep playing for free and take money off a site you no longer contribute to, but how do you expect them to keep running promos for players who aren't supporting the site? they don't need to an audit because they have a proven track record of paying out very promptly and there's no indication of ill will.

 "Can you guys really not come up with the $1400-$1500 a month to run those anymore?"


do you understand the concept of a promo? it obviously hasn't been working to retain old players and bring in new ones, so they are working on a new system to get rid of freeloaders like you who are disgruntled with the site.

I used to like you razzle, but you're a real cunt lately, get fucked.


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Dude, why are you such a cunt? I understand you want to keep playing for free and take money off a site you no longer contribute to, but how do you expect them to keep running promos for players who aren't supporting the site? they don't need to an audit because they have a proven track record of paying out very promptly and there's no indication of ill will.

 "Can you guys really not come up with the $1400-$1500 a month to run those anymore?"


do you understand the concept of a promo? it obviously hasn't been working to retain old players and bring in new ones, so they are working on a new system to get rid of freeloaders like you who are disgruntled with the site.

I used to like you razzle, but you're a real cunt lately, get fucked.



Lol at me being a freeloader.  Please tell me more about how I take free money off a site that I haven't contributed to.  Have I not earned every single krill that I have?  It's easy for you to tell me to get fucked when you didn't get as much taken from you as I did.  I have played and contributed way more to the site than you have; it's hilarious that someone who begged for stakes and used sealsdeals.info as his lifeblood is calling me a freeloader.
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