[DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ)

[illodin]

However, you strongly oppose WikiLeaks and everyone who supports it, and want to know who that B5 is. You import private key of the address B5, and then what?

Consult the masternode logs. Profit.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Besides, he claimed if he has the private keys he can de-anonymize 100% of the network. And he is actually a dev for SDC. Maybe he develops style sheets for the HTML wallet dunno.

[smooth]

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

[P3RS3US]

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

@smooth

Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.)

p.s. what is ur relationship with Monero? (Dev/Team/Other/Misc)

[smooth]

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

@smooth

Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.)

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

[wpalczynski]

Masternodes are centralized because they are hosted on servers online, which are centralized. The large majority of masternode owners host their nodes on the internet, I'd say that's pretty centralized.

Were else does a digital currency live?

You are an idiot. If it's on the internet its centralized. Where is this off planet distributed system you are alluding to?

Obviously by the internet, I meant servers such as those provided by Amazon which is exactly what I typed above the text enlarged, dont be a troll. Does hosting bitcoin nodes online impact the currency in any negative way that might hinder it's most important features? No, but hosting darkcoin's masternodes on servers online, of which most are, could potentially end darkoin's anonymity for a undefined amount of time should an attacker take down the servers drk's masternodes are hosted on.

Or if a certain government owns those servers already, directly or indirectly.

[P3RS3US]

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

 

pumping shit?
overpromoted?

What just happened? Why'd u get angry? U know full well Shadow has solid tech?!


The SDC community inspired this chart
It is now in the whole crypto-community's hands...
TBH I aint seen any better attempts at inspiring a debate to get some answers

smooth? did u lose ur cool?

[Pline]

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

@smooth

Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.)

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

FUD alert.

[Joshuar]

I suppose it's because everyone is talking about Monero or Darkcoin. Injecting comments about SDC everywhere is quite annoying to see.

[smooth]

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

@smooth

Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.)

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

FUD alert.

Opinion not FUD

FUD = fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

My post promoted none of those, it described what I have seen about your group's behavior. It didn't even say anything about about the coin per se, just about the idiots who post about it.

[P3RS3US]

I suppose it's because everyone is talking about Monero or Darkcoin. Injecting comments about SDC everywhere is quite annoying to see.

Dude: an SDC member (i think) started the thread.
And the Chart (which started this whole debate) was inspired by the Shadow community.

[smooth]

I suppose it's because everyone is talking about Monero or Darkcoin. Injecting comments about SDC everywhere is quite annoying to see.

Dude: an SDC member (i think) started the thread.
And the Chart (which started this whole debate) was inspired by the Shadow community.

Fair point, this thread is not an example of SDC spamming. SDC is right in the subject so clearly it is on topic (though there are many other examples). It is an example of ignorant nonsense showing no understanding of how cryptocurrencies work (including their own) being frequently throw out by SDC supporters, as illodin very well identified. I don't always agree with illodin but in this case he's absolutely right.

[P3RS3US]

I suppose it's because everyone is talking about Monero or Darkcoin. Injecting comments about SDC everywhere is quite annoying to see.

Dude: an SDC member (i think) started the thread.
And the Chart (which started this whole debate) was inspired by the Shadow community.

Fair point, this thread is not an example of SDC spamming. SDC is right in the subject so clearly it is on topic (though there are many other examples). It is an example of ignorant nonsense showing no understanding of how cryptocurrencies work (including their own) being frequently throw out by SDC supporters, as illodin very well identified. I don't always agree with illodin but in this case he's absolutely right.

Dammit. You're a cold-blooded bastard.
SDC got more than XMR. Hands down. (see chart/search heart)
End of. What manner of man r u?…

[cryptocrap]

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK... Now you are begging for investors of DRK and MONERO for that they put money in SDC and even worse, you are trying to denigrate the image of these coins as you  done with several other coins.

 When will you ever learn?

#bad deal  #poor forever.

[solid12345]

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum

I count 396 pages on the official SDC thread (when you combine the old and new one)

1106 on the official Monero thread

4571 on the official Darkcoin thread

type "Shadowcash" into google you get 89,000 results

type "Monero" into google you get 556,000 results

type "Darkcoin" into google you get 412,000 results

When we come to the twitter world things get interesting

http://topsy.com/s?q=Monero  3.3k tweets for "Monero" in the past 30 days (granted this is skewed because apparently its some porn search term...)

http://topsy.com/s?q=Darkcoin 3,275 for "Darkcoin"

And for Shadowcash....

http://topsy.com/s?q=shadowcash&window=m  Over the past 30 days there's been an astonishing 52 tweets for "Shadowcash"

Granted the popularity of Monero and Darkcoin dwarfs Shadowcash at the moment, but with more popularity definitely more shilling as a logical byproduct of this, DRK and XMR didn't just get to the top on tech alone, marketing is responsible for 50% of any coins successes in crypto.  

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK...

Yeah what a deal, I think at the time if the deal had been done I would have received 800-1k Dark for 30k-45k SDC or something to that extent, not much of a deal to me.

[P3RS3US]

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK... Now you are begging for investors of DRK and MONERO for that they put money in SDC and even worse, you are trying to denigrate the image of these coins as you  done with several other coins.

 When will you ever learn?

#bad deal  #poor forever.

Thanks the Gods this unholy spawn was never born.
And who approached who btw?
C'mon… smell the coffee

[P3RS3US]

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum

I count 396 pages on the official SDC thread (when you combine the old and new one)

1106 on the official Monero thread

4571 on the official Darkcoin thread

type "Shadowcash" into google you get 89,000 results

type "Monero" into google you get 556,000 results

type "Darkcoin" into google you get 412,000 results

When we come to the twitter world things get interesting

http://topsy.com/s?q=Monero  3.3k tweets for "Monero" in the past 30 days (granted this is skewed because apparently its some porn search term...)

http://topsy.com/s?q=Darkcoin 3,275 for "Darkcoin"

And for Shadowcash....

http://topsy.com/s?q=shadowcash&window=m  Over the past 30 days there's been an astonishing 52 tweets for "Shadowcash"

Granted the popularity of Monero and Darkcoin dwarfs Shadowcash at the moment, but with more popularity definitely more shilling as a logical byproduct of this, DRK and XMR didn't just get to the top on tech alone, marketing is responsible for 50% of any coins successes in crypto.  

When DRK made a marriage proposal with SDC, I saw a lot of SDC bag holders pressuring the SDC dev to refuse the junction, right now stop crying ... SDC could cost a truck of money if you had done the deal with DRK...

Yeah what a deal, I think at the time if the deal had been done I would have received 800-1k Dark for 30k-45k SDC or something to that extent, not much of a deal to me.

^ I luv this guy
*mind=blown
ty

[Pline]

dev for SDC.

Enough said, and I'm sure you agree.

I won't be giving my masternode logs to him.

Everyone has a price right? Where did I read that?

@smooth

Pls clarify what you mean. (I made it large and bold. see above. ty.)

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

FUD alert.

Opinion not FUD

FUD = fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

My post promoted none of those, it described what I have seen about your group's behavior. It didn't even say anything about about the coin per se, just about the idiots who post about it.

Well you are saying the minting is nothing at all like zerocoin when it is obvious there are some similarities to anyone who reads the white papers.  This is why zerocoin is cited in the shadowcash whitepaper when it talks about minting.  You are saying SDC is a complete copy of cryptonote, when there are many differences, which we all know.  Shadow uses anonymous tokens and is on a bitcoin blockchain for one.  So therefore it is FUD.  Also shadow uses anonymous tokens and not direct anonymous outputs for a reason.  Its because there is a plan in the future to probably implement zkSNARKS, I am guessing similar to the zerocash whitepaper.

Also Shadow is not just a cryptonote clone like Monero, its a unique system that the devs put time in to build, instead of copying and pasting.

[smooth]

More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.

i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.

Sigh.

I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC.

[Pline]

More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.

i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.

Sigh.

I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC.

Ohh name calling, how professional the Monero dev team is.  I meant direct anonymous outputs to ring sigs.  As quoted by rynomster the lead SDC dev:

If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...

Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment.

Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability).

Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so..

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

You can see the foundation that they have built and its obvious the direction they are heading in.  If you read the second zerocash whitepaper that includes SNARKS, possibly this is the direction they are thinking.  From my understanding SNARKS are still advancing, and there are some obstacles before they will be fully out and trustless.  I know you smooth will just call this vaporware.  But they have built the foundation for all to see.  It looks like they are indeed hitting the benchmarks needed to accomplish the stated goal.

[P3RS3US]

More ignorant nonsense about SDC minting having anything to do with zerocoin, not copied from cryptonote, etc.

i.e. more or less exactly what I said SDC proponents constantly do.

Sigh.

I guess the new iteration of this nonsense is "anonymous tokens are not just anonymous outputs." Hey dumb shit, that's exactly what they are in SDC.

WHOOOA (that's english for stop a horse #partridge)

dumb shit?

WHo the f*ck do u think u r talking to people like that? Oh yaeh An XMR DEv

Pline is not a Shadow Dev Team member

when dasource, rynomster, longdnsshort +++(and/or several others) realize what heppened here the Sword of Damacles will come down on you like a hurricane