[DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ)

[safecoin]

Based on the discussions above I believe bytecoin should be added to this list of the most known anonymous coins.

The only logical alternative I see is removing Dash (very difficult to disqualify bytecoin, without disqualifying Dash on those some qualifiers).


I'm personally more interested in some of the lesser known anonymous coins (but, often, more anonymous).  

I hope it's okay if those can be discussed here too.

[smooth]

(very difficult to disqualify bytecoin, without disqualifying Dash on those some qualifiers).

It's easy -- just say coins that lied about their launch time by less than a year are still included.

[safecoin]

Did this thread Really just ...die out?

[smooth]

Did this thread Really just ...die out?

Maybe there really isn't anything left to say. It's been discussed to death.

I did find your earlier comment intriguing:

I'm personally more interested in some of the lesser known anonymous coins (but, often, more anonymous).  

Maybe make a new thread for that?

[owm123]

How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.

[40dollaBTC2016]

What about more progressive coins like moneta verde, or more advanced coins like darknetcoin?

[safecoin]

Maybe make a new thread for that?

Maybe someone completely unbiased (or as unbiased as possible) needs to start that thread.

Unfortunately, that person isn't me.   Safecoin isn't just a username.  It's a coin (not yet released).

And it will be ......

well, let's just say I'd like to see someone start such a thread that has the most minimal bias. 

That may actually be the problem with this thread, to be honest.

[smooth]

Some history about SDC recently posted on their thread. I have not vetted any of this.

I have requoted it so that it may live on for all of eternity in teh clouds.

Personally I'd say that, after 9 months of waiting, ffmad's attack on the community for not providing the technical documentation for a tech created by the in-house cryptographer makes the shadow quote of the year: Not to mention that he, a web designer, is now helping to write the docs himself. That's a doozy.

…

I see you're still invoking CH's name in IRC and reddit still…

Shadow's thread moved some time ago. Here's a link the the original. I recommend reading the first 15 pages.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg7910616#msg7910616

TL;DR

The first 11 days. PoW. The fair launch.

The original OP giving details of the mining pool (chickenstrips) and the 20 million POW supply
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg7925381#msg7925381

SDCDevs first ever post explaining his choice of scrypt and saying "The source will be available as soon as we launch tomorrow afternoon" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg7912522#msg7912522

Some unhappy about scrypt ASICs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg7916958#msg7916958

Two hours after launch chickenstrips goes down (around block 158)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg7925580#msg7925580
Here is the chickenstrips address:
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/address/SY91LeCzU4TM251pkRD8THHA186f7ZwDU3?display=all

From block 159 to block 3050 this solo-mining monster takes over and mines almost 400,000 in around 48hours, mostly without any competition since no pools are up and running.
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/address/SYnHd6uBbbiXitR235TTysjqLRiRDxFbZ8

LongandShorts' first post 5 days after launch
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8009798#msg8009798

3-4 days pass and more mining pools appear but concerns are raised are ASIC miners and the plan is changed. PoW to be cut short and only 6 million in this phase. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8106937#msg8106937

The rest is history.

Isn't it funny how one overlooks the shortcomings of those he loves?

And yet one sees more clearly without that fog.

We all wear many masks Tim and this is the last of mine. CH never posted again and all being well after this neither shall I.

ffmad's remarks were not aimed specifically at CH. Anyway the notion anybody besides ryno and TV could prepare these docs, or more specifically CH, is preposterous,

I had never examined the early days of SDC... until now. The links only serve to document the first 11 days and the dramatic change from 20 to 6 million supply, ostensibly resulting from the presence of scrypt ASIC's, which existed at the time of launch. With 90% of coins mined in the first 11 days, combined with the failure of the official mining pool, it is hard to imagine how this can be described as a "fair launch" . The release of shadow chat to coincide with said 11 day PoS wallet release also suggests the code was ready beforehand and released expediently.

Without peer review the best we got is Todd's cryptographer colleague saying the "math looks like Monero" (which really means Bytecoin I guess).

Anyway people will form their own opinions.

Bye.

I just thought Id take a look at the beginning of SDC before I walk away.

Saying it was a "fair launch" is a stretch and it's better to deal with it now than wait till you get further down the rabbit-hole.

The collapse of the only mining pool 60 mins after launch, resulting from a DDOS/misconfigured miners spamming the pool (see thread), does not speak to a fair launch.

At launch (when ASICs for scrypt did already exist)   the Dev explains his use of scrypt by saying: "Scrypt has proven itself time and time again"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg7912522#msg7912522

11 days later Dev says "We've given it some thought and decided that we will be cutting PoW to 31000 blocks due to ASICS and multipools hitting ShadowCoin hard." and 20 million is slashed to 6 million. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8106937#msg8106937

I'm not calling scam or speculating who that solo miner might have been. Neither of those things need to be claimed when asserting that this launch was NOT fair and with the collapse of the official pool 60 mins into launch actually a disaster. Im not sure why a relaunch was not proposed.

[boolberry]

How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.

Of the coins you mentioned BBR is closest to XMR and XDN (they are PoW CryptoNote). Here are a few of its important distinctions:
On mixin issue and its relation to privacy:
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf

On blockchain bloat:
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf

The BBR emission schedule is much slower than those two coins as well. Most XDN coins were mined in the first year. XMR just passed 50% (pre tail) emission.

Development continues. This is the current focus:
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/642419677411479552

AEON and DSH are two other CryptoNote coins that deserve some attention for different reasons.

I think BBR, AEON and DSH should be added to the comparison chart

[languagehasmeaning]

How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.

Of the coins you mentioned BBR is closest to XMR and XDN (they are PoW CryptoNote). Here are a few of its important distinctions:
On mixin issue and its relation to privacy:
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf

On blockchain bloat:
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf

The BBR emission schedule is much slower than those two coins as well. Most XDN coins were mined in the first year. XMR just passed 50% (pre tail) emission.

Development continues. This is the current focus:
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/642419677411479552

AEON and DSH are two other CryptoNote coins that deserve some attention for different reasons.

I think BBR, AEON and DSH should be added to the comparison chart

Definitely add BBR to the OP. It is absolutely worthy

[newb4now]

How does boolbery compare to dash, xdn, xmr and sdc?BBR also aims at being anonymous coin.

Of the coins you mentioned BBR is closest to XMR and XDN (they are PoW CryptoNote). Here are a few of its important distinctions:
On mixin issue and its relation to privacy:
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf

On blockchain bloat:
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf

The BBR emission schedule is much slower than those two coins as well. Most XDN coins were mined in the first year. XMR just passed 50% (pre tail) emission.

Development continues. This is the current focus:
https://twitter.com/BBRcurrency/status/642419677411479552

AEON and DSH are two other CryptoNote coins that deserve some attention for different reasons.

I think BBR, AEON and DSH should be added to the comparison chart

Definitely add BBR to the OP. It is absolutely worthy

Another vote for adding Boolberry and AEON. I disagree about adding DSH. It is just a BCN clone without the 80% premine right?

[smooth]

Another vote for adding Boolberry and AEON. I disagree about adding DSH. It is just a BCN clone without the 80% premine right?

Mostly yes, although they did shift the decimal to the more customary position (with tens of millions of coin units in the supply instead of 100+ billion) to facilitate exchange trading.

[illodin]

The Chart is a good initiative and should be maintained/updated regularly.

I guess we'll need more updates soon

Can we get an updated chart?

[dEBRUYNE]

Can we get an updated chart?

For starters, SDC (Shadowcash) is broken:

https://shnoe.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/de-anonymizing-shadowcash-and-oz-coin/

[LiteBit]

Can we get an updated chart?

For starters, SDC (Shadowcash) is broken:

https://shnoe.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/de-anonymizing-shadowcash-and-oz-coin/

* https://github.com/shadowproject/shadow/issues/25#issuecomment-182987660
* https://blog.shadowproject.io/2016/02/12/deanonymize-shadow-nope/

[iCEBREAKER]

ShadowTrash = REKT

De-anonymizing Shadowcash

https://gist.github.com/ShenNoether/3686113566bc23bf836f

[LiteBit]

ShadowTrash = REKT

De-anonymizing Shadowcash

https://gist.github.com/ShenNoether/3686113566bc23bf836f

check the revisions. https://gist.github.com/ShenNoether/3686113566bc23bf836f/revisions

Shen fixed a bunch of initial find after discussing with team.
for example: top line

Code:

-Shadow-cash (broken!)

revised to

Code:

-Shadow-cash

[impulse709]

XDN devs are releasing an update any day now, should be interesting.

[illodin]

XDN devs are releasing an update any day now, should be interesting.

Updates are always interesting. Looks like the pump has already started. 

[impulse709]

XDN devs are releasing an update any day now, should be interesting.

Updates are always interesting. Looks like the pump has already started.  

yep the price has picked up a bit for sure, network hash rate too.. it was crazy under valued before though and still is really. im definitely hoping its more then just a pump XDN deserves some attention.