[DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ)

[David Latapie]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

[Pline]

1) deceptive promotion ?
Please quote some examples.

I'm not going to repeat. Reread my previous posts.

any "deceptive PR" may have just been a community member's mistake.
Do u assert The Shadow Team have deceived?

As an outside observer, particularly given the existence of sock puppets, etc. it is impossible to determine who is saying what. Furthermore I don't keep track of who is The Shadow Team nor do I particularly care.

If people are pumping and spamming and posting incorrect and misleading hype about a coin, the coin is being hyped in a scammish manner. One account that certainly does this is Pline, and I know he is being deliberately misleading because I've discussed these issues with him before, yet he continues doing it.

Or take a look at the DRK vs. XMR thread where SDC was completely off topic, yet repeatedly spammed.

I don't know if he is "The Shadow Team" but he's certainly active on the SDC thread as a supporter and probably so I'll count him as one of "you guys" (as opposed to some random troll who pretends to support something in an obnoxious or misleading manner in order to discredit it; if that were happening to SDC I would support you on that, but that's not what is happening).

Beyond that distinction, I don't care who is The Shadow Team and who isn't, and neither do the people that SDC pumpers are trying to get to buy their crap when the spew hype and spam all over the place.

2) misleading statements that are repeatedly made ?
Please quote some examples.

Again, reread my previous posts.

If you want to clean up SDC's act, then I support you and your efforts. If you want to continue to argue over the hyped and spammed crap that usually comes out of SDC, then fuck you too. You may be a great guy according to David Latapie, but if you're defending liars, pumpers, and scammers then you are a scammer too.

Smooth please don't throw your false accusations at me, when you are the obvious troll, FUDing and calling names to a competing project.  Anybody reading this knows how unprofessional you are, and you give Monero a bad name.  Anybody can verify the claims I have made for themselves if they simply take time to read the whitepapers and research.  Please educate yourself people and don't listen to biased and rude people on the internet who hurl insults and FUD.

ShadowCash whitepaper: http://shadow.cash/downloads/shadowcash-anon.pdf

Cryptonote whitepaper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

Zerocoin: http://isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdf

Zerocash (extended version): http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

video about zerocash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ULlHhia_Q&feature=youtu.be&t=4h15m8s

[LiteBit]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

Thanks! Very thorough.

[smooth]

Smooth please don't throw your false accusations at me, when you are the obvious troll, FUDing and calling names to a competing project.

Pline I am certainly blunt and when I feel the level of respect due given observed actions is low, abrasive, but I'm not "calling names" at a project (though I do at individuals when those names are deserved), my accusations are not false, and I'm not FUDing in the sense of spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt about SDC. In fact even when it comes to "a competing project" I care far less about how it all turns out that you would probably believe. I view it as a fun and interesting hobby, but certainly nothing worth fighting over. Frankly I would never comment on SDC at all, if people would stop making incorrect statements and hype.

It's a bit absurd for you to be posting those papers when it is quite clear from our interactions that you have either zero ability to understand them, or zero willingness to accept, at least publicly, the correct conclusions I've put forward. Please review our exchange about "tokens" on this thread for a clear demonstration of this.

If you and others stop pumping your coin with ignorant or deliberately misleading claims, I'll have nothing further to say about SDC, frankly it doesn't really interest me. The easiest and best thing for you to do at this point would be to stop talking about the tech at all, because nearly every time you do you get it wrong.

[xxxgoodgirls]

SDC people run all over these forums pumping their shit. Its the most blatantly overpromoted coin on this entire forum, and furthermore there are constantly ignorant technical comments made by them about how it is like zerocoin because it has minting, isn't copied from cryptonote, zero-knowledge anonymity, etc. (all false).

It's annoying as all fuck, and its not even done by third party trolls trying to create a backlash the way a lot of the Monero faux-shilling has been. It's actual SDC supporters spamming everywhere.

I am Monero core team. If you think I'm biased, ignorant or a pumper, ignore my posts please.

 
pumping shit?
overpromoted?

What just happened? Why'd u get angry? U know full well Shadow has solid tech?!

The SDC community inspired this chart
It is now in the whole crypto-community's hands...
TBH I aint seen any better attempts at inspiring a debate to get some answers

smooth? did u lose ur cool?

lmfao child_harold (P3RS3US) has been believing smooth was a friend of him for all the time but it backfired.

[Pline]

Smooth please don't throw your false accusations at me, when you are the obvious troll, FUDing and calling names to a competing project.

Pline I am certainly blunt and when I feel the level of respect due given observed actions is low, abrasive, but I'm not "calling names" at a project (though I do at individuals when those names are deserved), my accusations are not false, and I'm not FUDing in the sense of spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt about SDC. In fact even when it comes to "a competing project" I care far less about how it all turns out that you would probably believe. I view it as a fun and interesting hobby, but certainly nothing worth fighting over. Frankly I would never comment on SDC at all, if people would stop making incorrect statements and hype.

It's a bit absurd for you to be posting those papers when it is quite clear from our interactions that you have either zero ability to understand them, or zero willingness to accept, at least publicly, the correct conclusions I've put forward. Please review our exchange about "tokens" on this thread for a clear demonstration of this.

If you and others stop pumping your coin with ignorant or deliberately misleading claims, I'll have nothing further to say about SDC, frankly it doesn't really interest me. The easiest and best thing for you to do at this point would be to stop talking about the tech at all, because nearly every time you do you get it wrong.

More of the same.  Anybody can look at my comments about tokens.  All I did was say that there are similarities between zerocoin minting and ShadowCash minting, and its cited in the ShadowCash whitepaper.  Anybody can research those whitepapers themselves to see I am telling the truth, and you are just FUDing.  If you spent half the time coding as you do trolling, FUDing, and namecalling on here, then maybe Monero would have a useful GUI wallet.

[fearcoka]

I love my SDCs

We must all unite to 1 alt coin if we want to survive this catastrophe of the ocean of shit coins we built.

We will get burned really fast if the crypto community does not work as a team.

Can we drop the egos and start acknowledging that Shadow is the only coin worth investing.

Best of luck to everyone. The proof is there, what else do you need?

[RandomBTCinvestor]

Can we drop the egos and start acknowledging that Shadow is the only coin worth investing.

You see guys, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing that does NOT represent the shadow community at all.
So please, don't take seriously what all fanboys of XMR, DRK or SDC side are saying and start having real discussions.

[bbreconomy]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

Thanks! Very thorough.

I agree. Nice work

[Dofus]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

Added to the post buddy, thanks

[00Smurf]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

very nice work, thanks david.

[P3RS3US]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

very nice work, thanks david.

+1 Thanks

One thing I noticed. Spreadsheet says Shadow and Monero are both 9 months old.

EDIT: Now changed.

[WealthyBastard]

For information: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
XMR and SDC on the right.

very nice work, thanks david.

+1 Thanks

One thing I noticed. Spreadsheet says Shadow and Monero are both 9 months old.

EDIT: Now changed.

I didn't notice but both are very very young

[Risky2]

pretty interesting chart. Thanks for the info.

[bitcoin revo]

Have you managed to get to any conclusion in your thread ? This will save me a lot of reading...

[Dofus]

Have you managed to get to any conclusion in your thread ? This will save me a lot of reading...

Well nothing more interesting than the chart itself has been said here so you won't have to waste your time reading. There's only XMR/DRK/SDC war yet.

[RandomBTCinvestor]

True and true. I explained further on this thread. There is a brand of scam that involves cloning something with no substance and then pumping it (for example several hundred alts). There is another brand of scam that involves doing some development and then promoting it in an aggressive and deliberately misleading and deceptive way (for example SDC or BCN, although BCN's substantive contribution to cryptotechnology was vastly more than SDCs).

You are completly wrong on that, please stop making false asumptions just based on your point of view. You should research more deeply into that, have you ever talked to Ryno or a Shadow developer ? Lot of false ideas on Shadow can be seen everywhere on this forum, but it's not making it reals.

For example I always thought that Monero had a bigger team than Shadow (because everyone says that) and weirdly at David presentation yesterday in Paris I discovered that Monero team is the same size as Shadow's (yes, real developers ^^").

I really hate this stupid fight between Monero and Shadow, I am the one who suggested to David to take part in yesterday fintech meetup in Paris to present Monero, I don't see the point in fighting like that. Monero is focusing more on the currency use when Shadow is looking more at the blockchain use. There is no reason to fight, we could help each other, that's what open-source projects are for  


p.s: For me it doesn't apply to DASH, which is looking more and more like a company owning a blockchain.
p.s.2: Yes, some SDC supporters are promoting the coin everywhere, because they've seen that this project is solid, but not enough recognized. It may be a bad communication move, but you should understand that, i've seen monero supporters doing that a lot on DRK threads.

I confirm that I have excellent relations with ffmad and it is thank to him that I was able to make a lasting (and positive) impression on both the audience and the organisator yesterday.

I'm all about burying the hatchet, but this requires all to work on this (XMR fans or SDC fans.
- stop using derogative terms
- get rid of fanboys (reminder fanboy != fan)
- recognize that people (and project) change and that what you are doing now matters more than what you did in the past. Jimmy Wales or in France Xavier Niel made money with porn. Now they run Wikipedia and the most disruptive French ISP. Elon Musk was Paypal; now he is SpaceX and Tesla Motors.
- be serious in willing to cooperate. This means changing your mind, understanding that some things are not technically feasible and move to those wich are.
- learn from your mistakes, other's mistakes and other's successes
- with great powers come great responsabilities. Dev lead by example. If they don't intervene, someone else (most probably a fanboy) will do. And this sucks. If dev don't want to intervene, then someone entrusted and willing to deal with human relationship shall step in. AFAIK, ffmad is this person.

And yes, I'm tired of this too. I really only know ffmad on SDC and he is a great guy. Sure, he has to improve his spoken performance (:-)) but ihe is well-mannered,  devoted, genuinely interested. A lot of people in crypto should learn from him. Yes, I'm biased because we happen to live i the same city and to meet often but this exactly what you should hink about; we have the opportunity to have very-large-bandwith interactions (IRL meetings). This helps. You should try it sometimes.

I think there's nothing more to say for the continuity of this thread.

[xxxgoodgirls]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10860355#msg10860355

LOL as you scream scam you rock a SDC signature... Just so you knowSDC was controlled by about 7 people... how do I know? I was one of them with battbott, trollsroyce, fearcoka and few others.....Look at how long it took to mine all of those coins before pointing fingers my friend 

Edit: still have plenty to dump if you want some

Between how's SDC doing? Is it still in the hands of the fews? Who are the whales behind it at the moment?

[dadon]

the people that guy calls whales are people with a few hundred k or less like 200k max i am one of them not really whales just early adopters.

[00Smurf]

I'd say the all time chart speaks for itself. No pump Crew, Fairly stable price, No instamine/premine/ico or any such nonsense to worry about. Over 6 months of a fairly steady price has done pretty well for distribution.