[ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now

[philipma1957]

Who is real and who is not? That they respond to posts, the same way you do, is enough proof they are real (in the confines of this forum). In any case, they must have a reason to refuse escrow (if indeed they've refused it), and though that may be a warning sign, it may just as well be an innocent oversight or indeed a business decision on their part, but that does not make them a scam (though they could be).

yeah maybe they are good to buy from.  


 If anyone does  buy and gets it shipped  I am sure they will tell us.

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[norcalnewbie707]

zero photos of real miner. go away scummer

What is a scummer?

Why do you accuse a Business that is advertising their goods for sale as not acting in good faith without any direct evidence or personal experience with them?

So basically your opinion is just that, an opinion. Does not give you the right to slander their reputation. Why do you do that? Are you trying to protect people from getting ripped off? Have you been ripped off buying ASICs from other companies? Are you a BFL victim from way back?

If you answered yes to any of the above I sympathize with you, however still it does not give you the right to accuse anyone or any business of acting in bad faith without any direct evidence.

I have known the people behind iTop for over 3 years and they are the most trusted people in the Business.

If you assume they are not legitimate, I recommend you obtain proof and take it to the authorities whose job it is to investigate matters pertaining to online fraud. In the US you can probably call an 800 number listed on a DOJ Website or something, then let it go and learn a lesson from it. Thats really all you can do.

iTop does good business. They deserve to make a decent profit from their business. The percentage profit they make is not yours or my business. Its either take it or leave it but don't loose your composure over it and call them a scummer (whatever that means) because it helps nobody and surely does not help you.

Just my 2 cents.

[pekatete]

Maybe you can firm up your offer of paying for a rig they send you prior to you making payment and you can confirm that to us. I am assuming here you'll be happy to meet their asking price and associated costs, since you initiated the "invitation to treat".

[philipma1957]

well  I went to their website itop and they have a paypal button.  So I take back any scam accusations I may have confused them with another person when it came to escrow.

My concern was they were BTC only.  Since they do paypal I am fine with them.

 I have done business with paypal for more then a decade. So they are  a safe escrow type deal.

so at 1399 via paypal it seems to be okay to me.

[notlist3d]

Someone posted this on bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134060.0), I have never heard of them before and it looks like they haven't been around that long from the twitter account.

I also do not see any good company info

They claim to be selling sfards miners http://www.itop-corp.com/

Looks fishy to me

I suspect not to be real they show stock: Units in Stock:100

If they had some I don't see that site having backing for 100 units.   Were talking around 100k usd or more... i don't see it.   Also  the site is weird as far as variety of items.  

Hi, thanks for your feedback. You're right that 100 items was incorrect and you're right about the Twitter and website being quite new. We started on Taobao and Alibaba then later eBay and have had a lot of growth in the past few years so have decided to test the water in the rest of the world. We're starting up independently where we have more control of our products and services and more direct dealings with our customers to offer a more complete service. Case in point - The Silverfish miners had a problem when the authentication server went down. Through Taobao/eBay, there wasn't much we could do (they like to stop sellers and buyers from communicating directly) and we had to put a message into the store page to our customers and hope they got it to let them know about an updated firmware.

Going independent allows us to communicate directly with customers and avoid these problems going forwards.

The Sfards miner: http://www.itopshop.net/sfards-28nm-sha256-and-scrypt-dual-miner-p-243.html (we have 2 with more coming very soon)

The stock levels on the website aren't all correct right now as we only have a small team transferring everything from Taobao and Alibaba to the new website but if it's on the site you can at least know that it's in stock. We're working hard to get everything up to date and added. You'll see our product catalog grow as we get more things online.

Here's the recent thread I started to introduce the company: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134060

If you notice any other problems or have any questions then please feel free to contact me by PM here or email (see my profile). As I said before, we're committed to excellent customer service and we have a proven record on Taobao, Alibaba and eBay. It'll take some time to get that reputation after a fresh start so of course we'll be trying even harder.

Biggest red flag i see is they are still selling SilverFish miners.  I'm not saying they are scammers just selling crap gear. 

But the SF-28 I had was a pain as time went on and I think they had a license issue as they connected to server.  I know they fixed it now.  Not to mention I had to baby that thing and even right a batch file to restart it.   

Most good mining sites have stopped selling SF miners.

[norcalnewbie707]

Someone posted this on bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134060.0), I have never heard of them before and it looks like they haven't been around that long from the twitter account.

I also do not see any good company info

They claim to be selling sfards miners http://www.itop-corp.com/

Looks fishy to me

I suspect not to be real they show stock: Units in Stock:100

If they had some I don't see that site having backing for 100 units.   Were talking around 100k usd or more... i don't see it.   Also  the site is weird as far as variety of items.  

Hi, thanks for your feedback. You're right that 100 items was incorrect and you're right about the Twitter and website being quite new. We started on Taobao and Alibaba then later eBay and have had a lot of growth in the past few years so have decided to test the water in the rest of the world. We're starting up independently where we have more control of our products and services and more direct dealings with our customers to offer a more complete service. Case in point - The Silverfish miners had a problem when the authentication server went down. Through Taobao/eBay, there wasn't much we could do (they like to stop sellers and buyers from communicating directly) and we had to put a message into the store page to our customers and hope they got it to let them know about an updated firmware.

Going independent allows us to communicate directly with customers and avoid these problems going forwards.

The Sfards miner: http://www.itopshop.net/sfards-28nm-sha256-and-scrypt-dual-miner-p-243.html (we have 2 with more coming very soon)

The stock levels on the website aren't all correct right now as we only have a small team transferring everything from Taobao and Alibaba to the new website but if it's on the site you can at least know that it's in stock. We're working hard to get everything up to date and added. You'll see our product catalog grow as we get more things online.

Here's the recent thread I started to introduce the company: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134060

If you notice any other problems or have any questions then please feel free to contact me by PM here or email (see my profile). As I said before, we're committed to excellent customer service and we have a proven record on Taobao, Alibaba and eBay. It'll take some time to get that reputation after a fresh start so of course we'll be trying even harder.

you  are new people are tired of new guys coming here and trying to rob people.  Myself and a few others are trusted and don't rip people off .

If you want to proof yourself send one to me and when I get it I will pay you.  Now I know you are UK based. and do not expect you to send one to me. But find a trusted UK guy we know and send him one  trust him and he can say you did that.

Other then doing something like that people will just not want to buy from you.

The people behind iTop are not new. Everyone is tired of getting ripped off. However to be frank I am not very familiar with any major scandals regarding ASICs but I don't doubt there have not been any.

Back in Oct 2012 I started sending through Paypal money to Butterfly Labs because I believed in them. I pre-ordered so many Jalapeños that I started converting them into Singles. I trusted Brian, Jody and Josh. This went on for a year before I realized I was burnt. Do you know who's fault that was? Mine, it was my fault. The writing was on the wall but I continued with an incurable optimism until I finally realized it was over.

However this did not make me start harassing legitimate sellers of ASICs or new companies of being bad actors. I was grateful to see more businesses selling ASICs because I knew then that we would eventually obtain some. Most of us started our ASIC mining with the USB's from Friedcat. When I needed a large USB Hub I went to one of the iTop owners that was just selling them on eBay back then and he got it to me fast. Thats how long this team has been around. The iTop Corporate brand is just the name of their new Business which they had to jump through a lot of hoops to get rolling. I think they even had to register their logo image.

I want to see these guys at iTop do well. Once they build up a much bigger base we will see all kinds of cool stuff. They are big into the Drones now but I am hoping to see some killer deals on 3D printers, Solar Generators, and more mining equipment and ways to save save energy while still being able to compete as an independent home miner.

Let me try to get a hold of a friend of mine on the East Coast and ask him to comment here in regards to these peoples character and trustworthiness. Plus a friend of mine in the UK that runs some NOMP pools because he bought like nearly a dozen in one shot of those Silverfish LTC Miners from them through the old iTop ebay store back in 'May 2015' I believe. These peoples credibility needs to be established immediately before any accusations based on assumptions.

Because everyone these days is so busy and if that means I am not able to get anyone here to back up what I am saying. I recommend you look at this at face value. If the risk if far greater than the reward then just don't do it. However please wait until there is actually proof that they are acting in bad faith before pounding them on here with FUD.

I recommend reaching out to iTop and doing Business with them. You will not regret it. These guys are well financed, connected and have this down to a science. They are available around the clock. You will appreciate the way they do business. I know I do and I have yet to have heard any complaints but only praise from the numerous friends I have sent to them over the last few years.












 

[jimmothy]

The people behind iTop are not new. Everyone is tired of getting ripped off. However to be frank I am not very familiar with any major scandals regarding ASICs but I don't doubt there have not been any.

Back in Oct 2012 I started sending through Paypal money to Butterfly Labs because I believed in them. I pre-ordered so many Jalapeños that I started converting them into Singles. I trusted Brian, Jody and Josh. This went on for a year before I realized I was burnt. Do you know who's fault that was? Mine, it was my fault. The writing was on the wall but I continued with an incurable optimism until I finally realized it was over.

However this did not make me start harassing legitimate sellers of ASICs or new companies of being bad actors. I was grateful to see more businesses selling ASICs because I knew then that we would eventually obtain some. Most of us started our ASIC mining with the USB's from Friedcat. When I needed a large USB Hub I went to one of the iTop owners that was just selling them on eBay back then and he got it to me fast. Thats how long this team has been around. The iTop Corporate brand is just the name of their new Business which they had to jump through a lot of hoops to get rolling. I think they even had to register their logo image.

I want to see these guys at iTop do well. Once they build up a much bigger base we will see all kinds of cool stuff. They are big into the Drones now but I am hoping to see some killer deals on 3D printers, Solar Generators, and more mining equipment and ways to save save energy while still being able to compete as an independent home miner.

Let me try to get a hold of a friend of mine on the East Coast and ask him to comment here in regards to these peoples character and trustworthiness. Plus a friend of mine in the UK that runs some NOMP pools because he bought like nearly a dozen in one shot of those Silverfish LTC Miners from them through the old iTop ebay store back in 'May 2015' I believe. These peoples credibility needs to be established immediately before any accusations based on assumptions.

Because everyone these days is so busy and if that means I am not able to get anyone here to back up what I am saying. I recommend you look at this at face value. If the risk if far greater than the reward then just don't do it. However please wait until there is actually proof that they are acting in bad faith before pounding them on here with FUD.

I recommend reaching out to iTop and doing Business with them. You will not regret it. These guys are well financed, connected and have this down to a science. They are available around the clock. You will appreciate the way they do business. I know I do and I have yet to have heard any complaints but only praise from the numerous friends I have sent to them over the last few years.

I briefly looked at itop, and while I'm not convinced they are scammers, you've convinced me that they are using shills and are not to be trusted.

[Philipma1957onvacation]

This all goes back to sFards  and how they market this item.

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

I liked zoom hash and purchased 7k in blades last year total of 17 blades . I am not going to say do not buy from zoom hash or iTop I am going to say I do not like the way sFards went about introducing this to the btc ltc world.

[Searing]

This all goes back to sFards  and how they market this item.

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

I liked zoom hash and purchased 7k in blades last year total of 17 blades . I am not going to say do not buy from zoom hash or iTop I am going to say I do not like the way sFards went about introducing this to the btc ltc world.

Well if the price is 1299 for these units (setting aside the min of 100 units) and we are looking at 1.7TH for BTC and 47 mh for scrypt (or in LTC's case 23.5mh in less then 30 days in actual mining power as a comparison)

to say all this is MOOT is a massive understatement..to say the least

Again imho SFARDS had NO real desire to move this miner ..it was a way to get some press and show off their new btc/ltc chip in the hope they can get IPO $$$ for their large
Farm with their own chips and/or just bulk chip sales.

Looking at it I think it is pretty obvious..they got a lot of press as the only 'toy' in town..but now that the rubber is gonna meet the road here say if they really do get these units
out in say Sept 2015...well don't much matter.....the got their 'press flash' for a month or so and moving on it will all go into background mode imho of their data hall and IPO $$$ and maybe chip sales to other large scale miners....

It WAS JUST TOO LAME TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THEN THE ABOVE IMHO ...again assuming the 1295 price was correct (we already know about the 100 min amount of units to buy them)

just saying I know squat...but I guess we will see one way or another someday

[TheRealSteve]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

[philipma1957]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

When the gridseed blades came out we had the second factor 'Josh of paycoin'  So the scrypt market had so much manipulation on so many levels I can't tell you that gridseeds choice to continually and quickly drop blade prices was the single factor that crashed scrypt.

I can say price wars combined with pretend mining By Josh/paycoin/GAW crashed scrypt.

But when spondoolies and bitmaintech had the sp20 s-5 price war btc went from 400 to 180 usd.   So I would say flooding the market with good cheap gear has its risks and can drop price.


@ searing    yeah you are basically correct   and I should just leave this thread alone. But besides my mining addiction  I have a blog post addiction.

I think I made 20,000 posts on

parts-express
anandtech
macrumers
123macmini
BFL forum - I was second only to josh before they banned me
Madisound
gaw's forum
and of course here.

When I look at the list above I think I made more then 25,000 posts. I have been posting on forums for 10 plus years.

[alienesb]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

When the gridseed blades came out we had the second factor 'Josh of paycoin'  So the scrypt market had so much manipulation on so many levels I can't tell you that gridseeds choice to continually and quickly drop blade prices was the single factor that crashed scrypt.

I can say price wars combined with pretend mining By Josh/paycoin/GAW crashed scrypt.

But when spondoolies and bitmaintech had the sp20 s-5 price war btc went from 400 to 180 usd.   So I would say flooding the market with good cheap gear has its risks and can drop price.


@ searing    yeah you are basically correct   and I should just leave this thread alone. But besides my mining addiction  I have a blog post addiction.

I think I made 20,000 posts on

parts-express
anandtech
macrumers
123macmini
BFL forum - I was second only to josh before they banned me
Madisound
gaw's forum
and of course here.

When I look at the list above I think I made more then 25,000 posts. I have been posting on forums for 10 plus years.

Nah at first GAW was a legit reseller and even did real hosting to whatever pool you wanted. It wasn't until the virtualized the miners that things went to shit.

[philipma1957]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

When the gridseed blades came out we had the second factor 'Josh of paycoin'  So the scrypt market had so much manipulation on so many levels I can't tell you that gridseeds choice to continually and quickly drop blade prices was the single factor that crashed scrypt.

I can say price wars combined with pretend mining By Josh/paycoin/GAW crashed scrypt.

But when spondoolies and bitmaintech had the sp20 s-5 price war btc went from 400 to 180 usd.   So I would say flooding the market with good cheap gear has its risks and can drop price.


@ searing    yeah you are basically correct   and I should just leave this thread alone. But besides my mining addiction  I have a blog post addiction.

I think I made 20,000 posts on

parts-express
anandtech
macrumers
123macmini
BFL forum - I was second only to josh before they banned me
Madisound
gaw's forum
and of course here.

When I look at the list above I think I made more then 25,000 posts. I have been posting on forums for 10 plus years.

Nah at first GAW was a legit reseller and even did real hosting to whatever pool you wanted. It wasn't until the virtualized the miners that things went to shit.

Well we can argue all day  but between gridseeds flooding the market  and dropping price time and time again plus Josh/Gaw selling phantom gear from July on scrypt got crushed.   Now as a twist sFards has sold a batch out and has 2 other companies selling the gear.

 I  did a lot of business with zoomhash and they list this gear at 1999  just can't see this price  and iTop at 1399 is far lower but still too high.

[alienesb]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

When the gridseed blades came out we had the second factor 'Josh of paycoin'  So the scrypt market had so much manipulation on so many levels I can't tell you that gridseeds choice to continually and quickly drop blade prices was the single factor that crashed scrypt.

I can say price wars combined with pretend mining By Josh/paycoin/GAW crashed scrypt.

But when spondoolies and bitmaintech had the sp20 s-5 price war btc went from 400 to 180 usd.   So I would say flooding the market with good cheap gear has its risks and can drop price.


@ searing    yeah you are basically correct   and I should just leave this thread alone. But besides my mining addiction  I have a blog post addiction.

I think I made 20,000 posts on

parts-express
anandtech
macrumers
123macmini
BFL forum - I was second only to josh before they banned me
Madisound
gaw's forum
and of course here.

When I look at the list above I think I made more then 25,000 posts. I have been posting on forums for 10 plus years.

Nah at first GAW was a legit reseller and even did real hosting to whatever pool you wanted. It wasn't until the virtualized the miners that things went to shit.

Well we can argue all day  but between gridseeds flooding the market  and dropping price time and time again plus Josh/Gaw selling phantom gear from July on scrypt got crushed.   Now as a twist sFards has sold a batch out and has 2 other companies selling the gear.

 I  did a lot of business with zoomhash and they list this gear at 1999  just can't see this price  and iTop at 1399 is far lower but still too high.

iTop up to $1500 now.

[philipma1957]

iTop up to $1500 now.

Yeah why not   

[notlist3d]

iTop up to $1500 now.

Yeah why not   

Oh what a joke, they decided to go the hash while the hold and wait for buyers and especially while they're the cheapest currently. That is not how you make new customers when you are a small shop.

Honestly I hope all the scalpers get stuck with these and are forced to lower price.  I've seen stores lose value by having inventory before.  SilverFish 28, A2's, etc dropped in price so fast it was not funny.

I wish sfards well.  Just wish it was easier to get one at a fair price.

[p3yot33at3r]

Oh what a joke.....

TBH I'm beginning to think this whole thread/product is a bit of a joke. No proof of existence, stupid prices, no replies to email questions, no posts by the "manufacturer" here or anywhere else....nothing of any substance anywhere.

If they are/have made anything, I guarantee they are/will be mining with them as I post this, & the only way they will sell anything to anyone here is when they become unprofitable to use them - ala bitmain - dust covered second hand over priced miners galore.

They obviously read this thread because they quickly changed their "Could" website after it was commented on here - so how about they actually post something here as well? It's quite boring seeing this thread constantly at the top of the hardware section then reading the same old speculation & guess work over & over.

It just ain't gonna happen guys......

[itop_james]

Oh what a joke.....

TBH I'm beginning to think this whole thread/product is a bit of a joke. No proof of existence, stupid prices, no replies to email questions, no posts by the "manufacturer" here or anywhere else....nothing of any substance anywhere.

If they are/have made anything, I guarantee they are/will be mining with them as I post this, & the only way they will sell anything to anyone here is when they become unprofitable to use them - ala bitmain - dust covered second hand over priced miners galore.

They obviously read this thread because they quickly changed their "Could" website after it was commented on here - so how about they actually post something here as well? It's quite boring seeing this thread constantly at the top of the hardware section then reading the same old speculation & guess work over & over.

It just ain't gonna happen guys......

1. Have you ever sent email to us , to which email and what email address you sent from ?(pm me pls), let me check it for you .
2. For the miners , correct , we are not manufacturer for now  but a reseller . we do produce some accessories(cables) for miners and our other two product categories drone and storage.
3. We get involved of this business more than 3 years but just started marketing with iTOP not so long time ago.

thanks for paying attention to  iTop , and give us some more time for improving our new e-commerce web store .

James

[Searing]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

When the gridseed blades came out we had the second factor 'Josh of paycoin'  So the scrypt market had so much manipulation on so many levels I can't tell you that gridseeds choice to continually and quickly drop blade prices was the single factor that crashed scrypt.

I can say price wars combined with pretend mining By Josh/paycoin/GAW crashed scrypt.

But when spondoolies and bitmaintech had the sp20 s-5 price war btc went from 400 to 180 usd.   So I would say flooding the market with good cheap gear has its risks and can drop price.


@ searing    yeah you are basically correct   and I should just leave this thread alone. But besides my mining addiction  I have a blog post addiction.

I think I made 20,000 posts on

parts-express
anandtech
macrumers
123macmini
BFL forum - I was second only to josh before they banned me
Madisound
gaw's forum
and of course here.

When I look at the list above I think I made more then 25,000 posts. I have been posting on forums for 10 plus years.

Hey whatever I said it was not a 'slam' at all....just trying to figure this out in some kinda context that makes sense...right now it is the only way I can see
this whole SFARDS launch in any kind of context ..in my own mind anyway...of making some kinda sense on what they are doing launch/product and otherwise

but yeah I get your point on too many posts...I have too much time at work (work nites) so have lots of time to scan bitcointalk

[philipma1957]

Remember they are the builders of the blade which came out last year at 3000 usd and dropped and dropped and dropped until they were under 200 on eBay.

The reasons for the price dropping aside, the fact that the price dropped over time at all is a good thing, surely?  There's another thread where people are complaining about gear's pricing not going down (or even going up)

When the gridseed blades came out we had the second factor 'Josh of paycoin'  So the scrypt market had so much manipulation on so many levels I can't tell you that gridseeds choice to continually and quickly drop blade prices was the single factor that crashed scrypt.

I can say price wars combined with pretend mining By Josh/paycoin/GAW crashed scrypt.

But when spondoolies and bitmaintech had the sp20 s-5 price war btc went from 400 to 180 usd.   So I would say flooding the market with good cheap gear has its risks and can drop price.


@ searing    yeah you are basically correct   and I should just leave this thread alone. But besides my mining addiction  I have a blog post addiction.

I think I made 20,000 posts on

parts-express
anandtech
macrumers
123macmini
BFL forum - I was second only to josh before they banned me
Madisound
gaw's forum
and of course here.

When I look at the list above I think I made more then 25,000 posts. I have been posting on forums for 10 plus years.

Hey whatever I said it was not a 'slam' at all....just trying to figure this out in some kinda context that makes sense...right now it is the only way I can see
this whole SFARDS launch in any kind of context ..in my own mind anyway...of making some kinda sense on what they are doing launch/product and otherwise

but yeah I get your point on too many posts...I have too much time at work (work nites) so have lots of time to scan bitcointalk

yeah I am now retired 58 years old and a lot of time on my hands.  no gear to play with so I post.  Rather post about new gear that I am testing but at 1999 from zoomhash thats is a no go for me.  The chances for new gear are

avalon 4 mini----------------no reply to my latest email
sFards -----------------------cost is too high
sidehack's usb stick of which I have 2
bitmaintech s-5++ or s-7 which is who the fuck knows.

I don't bother with much in house gear in the summer. So I post.

I run the difficulty thread in spec and answer questions in support.  Not much else to do.