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Russia invades Germany and gets Hitler to kill himself?

1 like = prayer :D

Not weapons manufacturers and dealers.

Obama might go bananas but I think they'll calm things down. Perhaps sieze control of the country until things are sorted?

It's looking ugly


Ukraine (the pro euro side) also mentioned that they are ready for war if Russia doesn't withdraw their troops, so something might go down.

Hopefully USA won't get involved.. but Obama already warned Russia against any kind of invasion and now we will look bad if we don't step in someway.


Maybe Russia and Ukraine will make bitcoin their official currency after all this is over?

My predictions:

1. Putin won't give up and western countries (EU/USA/NATO) will do nothing at all
2. Ukraine will loose Crimea - the whole bi-land will became a Russian federation, controlled by Yanukovych and/or Putin

Next possible scenarios:

3. Military aggression triggered by Ukraine or Russia leading to war
4. Humanitarian disaster.
5. Ukraine refugees flooding Poland
6. Russia taking over Ukraine

Possible, but rather unlikely:

7. World War III

you!  ;D

Also, the only hope I see are the United Nations (UN) troops in Ukraine ASAP.

Unfortunately it looks like Putin is much faster and we have piece-of-shit leaders here in the West.
They all are already shitting their pants.

They don't have it anymore.

From Wikipedia: "Ukraine has acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[60] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, transferring them to Russia."

and by the way: as far as I know, in return Russia promised Ukraine to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity.

I really doubt that the US will become seriously involved. I'd like to see Ukraine become more independent, but that seems unlikely.

This whole thing is a big puppet show.  Governments love war, especially when population control is the goal.

Yawn, like Obama is gonna do a damn thing......

IMHO Russia is absolute master when it comes to politics and they are constantly focused on expanding the imperium.
Putin comes from KGB - they are trained in killing people and it's obvious that he doesn't care about human life at all.
He can just do what he wants - we don't have ballsy leaders in the west anymore.

how many people have been killed in Iraq, in Libya, in Afghanistan, in Iran in Syria?
Thanks Americans  >:(

I was only saying that Putin is supposedly capable of doing that himself.
IMHO every government is by definition a criminal organization but that's another subject.

The biggest maifa

The situation isn't looking up. None of the other European countries are doing anything aside from talk. If this continues, a serious war might begin in Europe.

8. North Korea sees an opportunity to test fire a real nuke, claiming it was only a test.

Remember, one doesn't build a nuclear weapon and let it sit. It must be maintained on a regular basis at a great expense, ergo if was more profitable to have them dismantled with other countries footing the bill.

So there is no difference if the president is from the KGB or from Harvard?

There is still chance for peaceful solution for this hazardous situation but time is running out. Kiev revolutionary leaders must immeditaly tone down their rhetorics, bottle up their extreme nationalists and armed criminal gangs acting as if they were legitimate government forces, and to go back to agreement they signed on February 21st together with German and Polish foreign affairs ministers, but then refused to carry it out.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian army shows clear signs of breakup along the ethnic lines and big humanitarian crises is ongoing with almost 700.000 Ukrainian citizens (mostly ethnic Russians) escaping into the Russia in last month.

live tv
http://atr.ua/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCdZgh2cKc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O93xWaPN6U


http://en.itar-tass.com/
http://rt.com/
http://regnum.ru/hotnews/
http://news.yandex.ru/
http://www.ntv.ru/
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/


http://an.crimea.ua/page/videos/
http://www.youtube.com/user/ancrimeaua?feature=watch
http://en.interfax.com.ua/
http://www.youtube.com/user/rianovosti


http://sevnews.info/
http://top.rbc.ru/textonlines/01/03/2014/908390.shtml
http://ria.ru/trend/crimea_situation_27022014/
http://an.crimea.ua/home/
http://dnews.donetsk.ua/
http://vecherniy.kharkov.ua/
http://vo.od.ua/

http://15minut.org/

Can we have a boxing ring where Putin and Obama can fight with each other so that we can code in peace ?

Russian troops offer peace keeping for russian language popolation, against "Government of Victory", that is not legitimate at power in Kiev.

What role play Obama in Crimea? Crimean cannabis is OK, but Afghan Heroin under US troops grow better.

Europe is tired of wars , people have killed each other for centuries here , most western counties are terrified of a war close home.

And this is how shit usually works. Because of a clash in Ukraine it's possible that some people who don't have a clue where Ukraine is on the map and live 10 000 km from it will be affected.

How much $$ and human lives is the cost to put Ukraine to NATO?

Hopefully not WW3  :o

Crimea asks for help against Nazis Maidan terrorists . Russia helps. No invasion.

This is how you deal with Russian threats:

President Kennedy's 10/22/1962 Cuban Missile Crisis speech
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgdUgzAWcrw

Now please compare it to this clown:

Statement by the NATO Secretary General
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6wbpjQab1U

Watch out Putin! NATO expresses 'great concern'!

I live in Southern part of EU.
You will talk with someone from "occupied part of Ukraine"??

search on http://VK.com or http://VKcams.com (+18)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26394980

Yeah , yea , we all know , nazis are to blame everywhere.
Too bad 99% don't have a clue what being a nazi means.

ROM Emanuel publically announces himself as an ASIC instead of just a ROM stick (his middle name is CPU)

Open a new topc with that shit, not flood here.

Good question. Although I think every Government is a criminal organization but that's really important who is the leader . While Putin is from KGB, he used to work directly and likes to use forces to solve the problems.

They just declared war on each other.

Im heading gout there to help defend off the Russains.

Situation is bad. But i dont  think World War 3 Will Come... no one's interest that this happens

This is just like what happend in Egypt Libya Syria, USA is behind this, Russia set their foot down in the Syria conflict showing USA that they are no longer the worlds Nazi police.
http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/ - John Kerry... Wait what?
Russia have many people who migrated to the Ukraine and they are in danger now, many Russians are worried about their family living there.

People are starting to see the USA for what they are and they can no longer do whatever they want. Putin put his foot down in the Syria conflict, I don't think USA will intervene and they certainly have no right doing so.

IF they intervene I am sure we have WW III on our hands but with China on their side Russia will propably stand it's ground - otherwise USA will end up owning the world and we will have to keep going with this capitalism bullshit (it only works for that long, the proof is right in front of you if you check greece, spain, portugal etc - and not to forget the US debt on 17 trillion (?) dollar)..

Amen, but he ended up 6 feet under. Just like Obongo would do if he stopped being a puppet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GynbPriOzfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7pGTgcbuSk - crosstalk about this, watchworthy.

Follow the events easy here: http://rt.com/news/line/2014-03-03/#56071

The situation is opposite, Ukrainians are working in Russian Federation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Russia
Could be both - but there are very many russians there.

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-protesters-storm-575/

http://rt.com/news/crimea-air-base-allegiance-593/
http://rt.com/news/navy-chief-ukraine-crimea-485/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s6WJhp-jpU

Soon it will be war, and next will be Poland.

To attack Poland would be to hit the whole EU, Russians don't want an all out war with the rest of Europe. This would mean complete destruction of the continent.

In the Donetsk region announced a referendum on accession to Russia.
http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/03/03/2014/908791.shtml

He used to pose as stubborn and defiant and get a lot of support from the people, which assured him this is the right way. He's been acting more and more boldly in the recent years, maybe he wants to have a war in his resume. Yeltsin waged a war so why should Putin be worse?

Yeah Obama is not going to war with Russia, he will just sit on the side and allow Russia to invade Ukraine.

I feel bad for the Ukrainians. Its going to be tough for them for the foreseeable future.

I hope they don't start WW3  :-[

Its actually ships and a submarine they are going after at 5PM.

They plan on boarding the ships and taking control.

This cant be good.

They won't go into Poland. Poland doesn't have the ethnic Russians and native Russian speakers living there. There is a West and East/South divide in Ukraine with the Ukrainian and Russian languages.

Are you serious bro? I doubt it highly. The US wont step in, how can they? they cant even afford the jet fuel to fly there.
 ;D

US fumes but then has its own agenda to worry about at present

Not to mention the fact that if the US does step in they will start world war 3.

I will invite u to dinner if that happens.

If WW3 is going on, this dinner you speak of better be in an underground bunker at least 50ft below the ground. And have some weed hand too!  ;D

And you think Russia can afford a war?
An open war between Russia and the western countries is out of the question.

The cost are so great it's a nightmare just to think about it.

yes they can
not open invasion but supporting the Russians inside Ukraine with weapons and logistics, they can even send their unmarked units&soldiers
oh,wait,they're already doing that :D
guess I was right the whole time :)

they used to like it a lot more. now they are scared of getting nuked ;D

I was talking about open war;) Not this circus.

Russia doesn't need to start the war - ethnic Russian majority in Crimea and south-east regions doesn't want to live under the rule of Kiev any more. You could keep them in Ukraine only by force. If western powers are less hypocritical and remember their own game rules they've set for, as example, ex-Yugoslavia, there wouldn't be any problems.

I understand, but I'm saying they can afford war with Ukraine.

But do they want to live in Russia?
With so many russians fleeing the country for western europe , I doubt that's what they wish.

From here Ukraine is only short overnight trip away. If I had money for the road or someone traveling to Ukraine from Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania with similar intent I will go with You and help to repel russian invasion. I speak latvian, russian, english and understand and can read ukrainian. I also know how to use weapons (AK-74, FN-FAL, MG3, MP-40, F1 hand grenades and small arms). I'm willing to kill enemy and risk my own life while doing that in name of freedom. This is my best chance to get into real action and even more important this thing matters because next will be Latvia that is invaded by mr. Putin. Write to me in forum PM and I will reply in 24 hours or less.

I will post here reply I made to one PM.

News here are unreliable. According to first hand sources in Kharkov nobody knows who is in charge. Everyone is waiting. In Sunday mobilization of Ukrainian army was announced but nobody is giving orders for attack. From official news sources comes information that most garrisons in Crimea and eastern parts of Ukraine are surrounded by russian troops without signs of recognition. But they all are waiting and nobody is shooting as of yet.

I doubt that Ukraine alone have capability to maintain all it's territory if full scale war breaks out. Sure it have rather strong army but russians have everything in more numbers. Full scale war can turn out similar to Finnish-Russian winter war when Finland lost it's most precious lands but did not lost whole country. With the bonus of Ukrainian resistance fighters attacking military and civilian targets all over Russia and Ukraine for next 10 years.

I'm mad how all world leaders are acting like they are made from KY-jelly. Not a single leader promised to give military help to Ukraine in upcoming war unless Putin withdraws from Crimea. Everyone is talking like they are held at gunpoint by Putin and afraid for their life. And I'm mad how Ukraine voluntarily gave away the nukes they had. This alone would prevent the hostile actions by Russia and equalize positions if war goes full-scale.

What will happen if Ukraine removes Russian invasion? Well I put this that way. Russians are imminent and real threat to every nation who live near them. European Union with all the capitalism and gayfags and niggers are threat that can be avoided if Ukrainian leadership does not align with European union. There already was struggle between pro-european and ukrainian nationalists.

Crimea is sanatorium and resort. But here do not treat retarded guests and the mentally ill guests.

Actually not anyone's invasion. Has rolled back to the previous version Constitution of the Republic Crimea, which are more comfortable for us.

"Invasion", "aggression", "thousands of victims" LOL :D

That's why I've dropped TV many years ago.

mystery miner why dont you mention the nationalistic and hugely russiaphobic boot camps that been military training and radicalising brainwashed west ukranian young people in estonia where nazi followers are thriving. they were drawn towards right sector armed group in west ukraine that made the regime change in kiev. tell how the right sector snipers were shooting young guys in the back to make bodycount.
watch how they sent young kids to walk towards berkut forces while being shot from direction of high rise hotel taken over by armed right sector militants. in the background somebody directs cameraman to film certain place as 'there gonna be bodies there, film that part' before there were any casualties - therefore the cameraman was placed there to film deaths and they were informed that there will be shooting. these brainwashed people were a sacrifice to use as a bargaining chip to start using weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9LiRiO1eY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Out of the 143 million Russians, how many "fled" to Western Europe during the last 10 years? May be a few hundred thousand at the most. That is still less than 1%.

Eastern Ukrainians want the recognition of their mother tongue (Russian language), which is currently under a near complete ban. Unless the Western Ukrainians respect the language and culture of the Easterners, there will be no united Ukraine.

You're both wrong.  There was,and continuing, migration between two countries, and large. But it is only now become "international". A couple of decades ago it was one country and one people.
divide et impera

They disoriented, shooting goes with them.

The end could be nearer than you think — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/03/end-nearer-think-paul-craig-roberts/

It is not true!

its a provocation for right sector militia to use arms against government by claiming that swat is shooting civilians when in fact they shoot their own to get bodycount. they shielding against the berkut (poloice) forces when in fact they are being shot from building behind them which has been taken over by right sector. they eventually took control of the government and now west defends them and calls russia invader. - is that fair?

this situation is the same as in korea, afghanistan, south american countries, iraq, lybia, syria. i cant believe that people cant see all this..

You're joking right?

What Putin needs is some jailtime. Maybe a good buttfucking would do him well. Change his attitude and make him realize what a dipshit, jackass, cumdumpster, wallydingdong, crabsinfested, stdcarrying, motherfucking, elephantcocksucking, orangutan he really is.

Obama can be his prison guard.

Before you imprison and buttfuck Putin he will buttfuck you and millions of Americans and Allies he will essentially buttfuck the whole world with his thousands of nuclear missiles. Millions will die from impact and radiations, milliions more will die from cancer and most electronics will be fried. Millions will die from chaos, famine and anarchy.

You seem to be proficient in being buttfucked.

The US agenda is to do to Eurasia what they did to Yugoslavia: to cynically exploit ethnic tensions in the region, set one community fighting another (divide and rule) leading to civil war and the tragic breakup of countries into feuding mini-states

In short, US policy is to balkanise the region undermining the military strength of the countries there so that the West can pick up the pieces and loot their vast mineral and other resources.

The instruments for destabilising Ukraine are US NGOs like Reagan's National Endowment for Democracy (actually Plutocracy) which have poured $5bn into Ukraine's opposition groups over the past two decades according to Victoria Nuland, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, who recently admitted as much.

She is married to leading neocon Robert Kagan and was recently caught out making a phone call over an open line to fellow neocon and US Ambassador to Ukraine Pyatt plotting to install Yatsenyuk in power which has now been realised. It was accomplished by leaning on dangerous Ukrainian far right parties that are now in charge of the whole of the Ukrainian armed forces.

No. I am not. Do you have any proof to claim otherwise?

lol, your butthurt is so democratic. :D

// It seems like somebody just lost a job.

P.S. We have to replace current CAPTCHA with IQ test or something like this

http://pix.academ.org/img/2010/09/17/5bb921da9ffd3da28a2fc4598919d4a2.jpg

http://banderivets.org.ua/

People from this movement are in "Government of Victory".

http://cs7009.vk.me/c540106/v540106331/10027/iPgUQHgG_5Y.jpg

Ethnic cleansing poster in Lviv on russian language homes owners.

will you please stop with all this russiaphobic bullshit on putin invading other countries? please? please stop repeating whatever you read/seen from the corporate media - there is only one thing they would want you to think. the western public is treated as if they are fools on events behind 9/11, the invasion of afghanistan/iraq, invasion of libya/syria. time and time again western public after many years realise that they been lied to - but its too late as the governments already toppled, resources taken and profits are made. how many times the history should repeat itself for YOU - part of the public opinion to realise that the western powers are keeping people where they want them to be thanks to their own history books, their own literature, their own media. all this to supplement your status as consumer and not as citizen. citizens have the voice and opinions - the consumers have the money and greed.
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the russian army have higher than average morals and they will never fight against people that done nothing to their way of life, the leadership will lose their reputation instantly as a result of unreasonable use of force - russians (unlike soviets) have strong army by keeping the soldiers well informed and educated on geopolitical issues that seem to happen more intensively around their lands recently. also, putin is very adequate leader and he clearly explains the motives for every action him and his party takes. he always done that and thats why russian public respects him because unlike other leaders previously he speaks out of his mind and backed by logic which is very clear to most citizens. russians in general are well educated and cant be kept for idiots. lies will not easily pass in russian politics as thanks to the lessons of the ussr, public is very vigilant and questions every word that comes out of any politician's mouth. after being hugely uninformed for 80 years and then 10 more during nineties people are finally having a leader that speaks truth and logic. and to be honest most russians are finally very proud of their leader - the feeling which is almost unimaginable previously. the fact that he is ex kgb is even better as every russian knows that only the very best and smartest have ever reached that agency. kgb didnt employ people based on the status of their parents, the bright young students were selected based on their knowledge and reputation. knowing that every russian will accept putin over an actor/speaker and evidently puppet of corporate banking/helthcare/industrial military complex clans. obama cannot make his decisions - he is just a conduit between people and his owners. do you really think that putin and obama can talk on the same level? they are different type of fish. if you want to hear the actual speech by putin yesterday (and not the out of context crap that western media posted) then the translated version is right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg
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ether way. in crimea the forces that you see are simply crimean military resedents that asked russian military to provide them vehicles and weaponry to deal with western ukranians that were outside of crimea ready to do what they do best (see kiev) - hence why airports were taken first to prevent them coming by air. ukranian chief of fleet took his command away from kiev and is now operating from crimea. same with chief of aviation forces. basically army is not accepting new government but kiev is quick to assign their own 'generals' that 'represent' ukranian army - mostly brainwashed people from the western regions. the rescent ultimatum against ukranian military to surrender is nothing more than a proven farce just to stir the shit up:
http://rt.com/news/russia-dismiss-ultimatum-ukraine-644/
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in my opinion the situation is really bad as thanks to years of western (bias privatly owned) media in ukraine they managed to shape peoples minds for absolutely hating russians. being russian is not nationalistic identity - its the way of life just like being american. lands of russia have hundreds of ethnic minorities that been mixing for centuries. now they call themselves russian as hardly anyone can keep track of their ethnicity. the tolerance is at very core of their culture.
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the video that i posted earlier about the sniper shooting of protesters/rioters/sacrifice is pretty much explained by this yet another freshly leaked phone conversation. enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8#t=39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_YkdGbWqk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg

First pro-Russian post. Beware Morbid - shitload of hating posts are coming.

Putin bloody tyrant and a murderer ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8
http://www.vm.ee/?q=node/19353
U.S. & Europe- shit and hypocrites! >:(

global war next.. china + russia + kazakhstan + mongolia + iran + korea + syria + venezuela + cuba.
so many countries vs usa..

It's unlikely. The next is referendum on the status of autonomy and the federalization of Ukraine. Although it's a formality because the unitary state has long been dead. Only federalization is able to save the territorial integrity of a country having so much internal contradictions.

After that, the most of "democratic" shitloaders who doesn't even know where Ukraine is located, will be free to forget about it. :D

BREAKING NEWS:

The opposition paid snipers !

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567

Phone record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

Yep, that's like 99% possible future actions. I doubt there is anyone who is so stupid to begin the World War cause it will destroy everyone and everything in case it ever happens

Putin great strategist. He without a war to conquer the world

Prediction:

Ucraine is probably going to be divided: half to europe, half to russia.

And nobody will give a fuck.

Usually the first that makes a claim should be the one showing some numbers. As for me my bet is around two millions

And in 10 years both sides along with Russia will be members of the EU , and people will ask themselves , why the hell did we do that?

BREAKING NEWS:

The opposition paid snipers !

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567

Phone record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

for your information:
russian government did not 'ban' bitcoin. the central bank which got absolutely no connection with the duma (senate) is now against it since its owned by the same shareholders that own fed, imf and plenty other cental banks around the world. there were no lawmaking in regards to bitcoin in russia, though bunch of same western media outlets overhyped it out of proportions again.

 ;D
Russia Invades Ukraine. Whats next?

http://udaff.com/image/34/61/346191.jpg

This scenario is almost impossible. Integration of Ukraine into EU or Russian Federation would be tooooo costly. The costs of living in these regions are too different, so EU or RF side would be required to spend toooo much money in order to fix this before incorporation of Ukraine. Otherwise the people just leave from Ukraine to Europe or Russia.

That's why the most probable scenario is a conversion of Ukraine from unitary state into a federation of 2 or 3 states.

Nobody cares already... Except for some Bolshevik`s Brainwashing Corporations :)

That's correct. Nobody cares what CEO of Russian FED thinks about BTC.  :D

Poland! LOL

That would be a fun fight to watch, though I think Obama would lose so hard. Putin is a fucking monster.

That pic reminds me of:

The proudhon song (bitcoin is a bubble) - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TuFy0fcuw

Are You thinking, that Russian Federation will bomb Kiev, as NATO bomb Belgrade or Baghdad and Tripoli?

Yeah , the Russians were angels , 56 Hungary , 68 Czechoslovakia , 74 Eritrea , 77 Somalia , 79 Afghanistan , 92  Ossetia , 92 Tajikistan , 93 Georgia , 99 Dagestan

Should also put in the list of American Invasions and interventions its quite a bit longer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

Chile - Pinochet Afghanistan Iraq Syria etc.

so because a murder is worse than a rape we should free all rapists?

56,68,74,77,79 - That was not Russia, that was Soviet Union.
Soviet Union consisted of Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan. Not only Russia.

Also check your knowledge about 99 and 92-93:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_invasion_of_Dagestan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Civil_War

I'm saying The Pot Calling the Kettle Black isn't really an improvement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Pot-Calls-The-Kettle-B-by-michael-payne-Confrontation_Hypocrisy_Intervention_Obama-140305-483.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdvo-2u_Yqs

You need not take more hard drugs. USSR lunatics is not ZOG in Russia.

It was not the Soviet Union, it was Ukraine, because led of the Soviet Union were immigrants from Ukraine, in that time. Ukraine was the main aggressor in the Soviet Union. They were "hawks". They lobbied all the invasion and even wanted to enslave the Western European countries. Future plans prevented explosion at Chernobyl (its Ukraine) nuclear power plant.

Yep, and bears are walk the streets here.  :D :D

Another quote from the fantasy novel, just typical argument by person who has nothing to say. It seems that you need to learn something about the subjects you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia

In the meantime Crimea's MPs vote to join Russia
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26465962

Kosovo was taken out of Serbia, because the majority of Kosovans wanted independence.

So as per the same logic, Crimea should become part of Russia.

I guess it will be a correct step to make since Crimea's people do not support current Ukraine govs.

Strangely that nobody mentioned that Crimea peninsula is the base of Black see fleet of the Russian Navy. Yes it happens that whole bloody Russian fleet located on foreign territory. Until Ukraine was alien to Russia and kept leasing agreements for the navy bases it was satisfactory for Russian side. But suddenly there is risk raised that the bases may go to the primary concurrent of Russia on the world political scene. Any country leader which do not take actions to preserve state's Navy will be just a criminal. Obviously Putin don't want to be the one.

Yep, I think I see a logic behind this. Entrance to the Black See is a good reason to support Crimea's folks that want to enter Russia.

No invasion. Russia is helping Crimea(which is Russian) Against blood hungry Ukraine.

Fixed that for you. ;D

What's next? Western leaders whine about Putin, Putin ignores them, Crimea becomes independent. Despite all the controversy over the events in Ukraine, they're quite possibly the most tame out of recent events. So far no one has died in the "invasion".

I don't see any possibility of war, especially since a lot of Ukraine's military leaders are defecting or at the very least refusing to follow the new government. Besides if Russia wanted Ukraine that bad they would've invaded long ago... It's not like they've had their military there for hundreds of years...

I really doubt Crimea will become independent. With the current events, it's more likely they become a part of Russia.

Why would Russia choose now of all times to annex Crimea, when they could've done that in '91 with no controversy? An independent Crimea is most beneficial to Russia, as it will support the Kremlin, while satisfying the international community as it is not forced into the control of either the Russian Federation or the rebels in Kiev.

Can I laugh at that? =))) Even If you say no , I will still laugh.
So basically , the brits aren't to blame for africa, america , india , australia , new zealand , it was the British Empire , not the United Kingdom that slaughter millions of natives.

Russia is doing similar thing as America. Even though officially world is no longer at cold war, somehow there are still different dictators being supported by different bigger countries. Egypt by USA, Syria by Russia, North Korea by China. Nuclear weapon saves us from any bigger war since everyone knows it would be our lest one. Current atomic weapons are much more powerful then those used on Japan

Freedom protesters which occupied power in Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq47Mq5kZOA

In 1991, Yelstin was the Russian president. Yeltsin was more loyal to the US, than he was to Russia.

First, let me say that I feel for the people of Ukraine.  They are in a very tough spot.

I'm not clear just what people are expecting from the USA.

I'm not sure the USA should become involved in this matter.

At any rate, that person in the White House has the USA bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan such that there are few military resources available.

When the USA takes unilataeral action, it catches Hell on the World stage and when it doesn't it catches Hell.

The US economy cannot stand much more of policing the world so I think the USA is going to have to sit this one out.

My $.02.

Of course, but like we say in Russia, "Laughing for no reason makes you a fool".

No, they are, because the British Empire wasn't a federation. Africa, America, India, New Zealand [, ...] were ruled directly by the british government.

USSR was a federation of republics, and RSFSR had no absolute power here. Actually the most of famous USSR leaders came from another republics.

Vladimir Lenin - Russian SFSR;
Joseph Stalin - Georgian SSR;
Nikita Khrushchev - Ukrainian SSR;
Leonid Brezhnev - Ukrainian SSR;
Yuri Andropov - Russian SFSR;
Mikhail Gorbachev - Russian SFSR.

So you're telling me that Kazakhstan and Tajikistan forced the freedom loving Russians to invade Czechoslovakia :)).
Let's cut the bs , common?

Besides , the same can be said about the Brits , there were Scots , and Irish and even indians deployed in the african campaigns.

I'm not worried about anyone using the big ones.

My concern lies with some asshole using smaller tactical nukes to deal with a localised military action.

That is the sort of thing which could lead to setting off the big ones.

My $.02.

;)

Well , I live at a safe distance from the area of conflict. 1000km to Sevastopol 900 to kiev =))).

But i'm not that scared of a tactical nuke or even a full nuclear warhead.
Both sides and even the men manning those are so scared of nuclear weapons and what they can start by firing them that even if this turns in a full scale war we won't see any nuclear missiles launched.

No, but history tells you this. These republics had a representation of their interests in the federal government, that's how they got money for their local budgets.  :P There were many deputies and ministers with KSSR, TSSR, GSSR, [...] origins. Maybe this representative wasn't enough, but it's a subject of another discussion.

By the way, Kazakhstan SSR was the only republic which didn't supported the separatism in the early 90s. They still can't forgive us for Belavezha Accords (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belavezha_Accords).

I suppose that you need to read something about the Warsaw Pact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact). So let's blame Albania, Poland or Bulgaria too, yep? :D

"Freedom", "democracy", "protection of interests" is just another face of fascism. There are no "freedom loving nations" in the world yet, any opposite statement it's just a management tool. But there are freedom loving individuals, maybe.

You are always free to learn the subject... Just open the textbooks and issue will be resolved.

No need for the history books , I'm living in one of the countries that the Soviet Union tried to protect from the diabolical capitalism.

Oh boy, I would start planing to move in case of worst possibility and this guys gets to real power in the next years - strange times, you never know and don't expect people to vote or do right things, there is to much emotions and manipulations are very easy.


ps: This Right Sector reminds me of Serbian and Croatian national parties which emerged right before collapse of Yugoslavia. Needless to say it ended badly for both nations.

In YU right wings of parties started to form own armies (this is already what happened in Ukraine with Right Sector - don't know about other nations in Ukraine, but http://www.aydinlikdaily.com/M%C4%B0T-and-CIA-Stir-Up-Ukraine-on-EU%E2%80%99s-Behalf-1555 ). Gun is powerful tool to make people that don't agree to comply and what worries me the most is level of hate that become normal and acceptable thing. Since citizens don't have guns, they will seek protection in the wrong places.


pss: Needless to say it ended badly for both nations in YU and Bosnia as collateral. Lets just say cutting of the head of your neighbour and friend, rape his wife and daughter and then burn his house was common thing. This is just a reminder what ethnic violence can do.

That is not valid for every country.
Let's look at Belgium and Netherlands , I don't think that (if we dig up all the history) there is even a small town where the ancestors of one family haven't killed or raped or whatever the ancestors of some neighbor living close by.
Yet people aren't seeking an eye for an eye revenge.

But here in the Balkans things are turning this way because people are trying to find a scapegoat for poverty and many others , and the ones different from you are usually the ones to be blamed.
If the situation in Romania will become worse , you'll see even this country divided into 3 or 4 parts  , a thing that is considered almost impossible right now.

Happy people don't care about race politics or whatever , nor are they ready to start killing peoples.




 

This is true, that's why I have compared Ukraine and Yugoslavia - economical problems, 20 years of stagnation, powerty, emerging nationalism...

Steeply declining population, emergence of criminal gangs...

Is there any way we could get Putin to do that very thing without a real war?

My $.02.

;)

Russia takes over us probably

Ever seen Red Dawn!!

Putin has the right to keep his buffer zone who knows how much more dangerous it would be if it wasn't there
Concerns over national security leading to another arms race type of danger
That and oil security

Of course we may be witnessing a yugoslavia again

have you guys seen the amount of videos that are related to ww3 that have been removed from youtube ?

Why ZOG permit Referendum in Crimea for join to Russia?

In the moment of entry Crimean territory to Russian Federation, Jews from USA can claim back 375 000 hectares of Crimean land.
http://www.aif.ru/society/history/6856

Ukrainian army on the move: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoDDvOId_vY

The trucks are vintage but they are most powerful and durable vehicles ever built. Everyone must ride in them at least once. And maybe I will be in one of them soon. I found way to enlist as auxiliary volunteer for Ukrainian army!

Russians living in other countries are like trojan horse. But now they are going to get their asses kicked out of Ukraine!

Be aware: war is a bad thing, war cannot do anything good for you or your nation. Also, russian-speaking ukranians are your brothers, only if you stop talking about them as a "russian cancer" and you start calling them "fellow ukranians" your country will be unite.

People are good, you need only to fuck the politicians and try to do your best asking total honesty and transparency.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiTYzwdCAAAFtWu.jpg

"At March 16 we are choosing

<...> or <...>  "   ::)

My two cents: I have a feeling that whatever happens during this vote on the 16th, even if it's in Russia's favor they'll fudge the numbers so that it stays part of Ukraine and that'll be Russia's out. Russia gets brownie points for 'calming the situation' and showing the people protesting/revolting that they have no business trying to start a revolution. But it could just as easily go the other way and I'm totally wrong, only time will tell.

That's not a problem, Stalin already said "fuck off" to creditors... Putin is not Stalin but I don't see any reason why this shouldn't happen again.

ZOG?

Gimmee a break!

"Zionist Occupation Government or Zionist Occupied Government (abbreviated as ZOG) is an antisemitic conspiracy theory that holds that Jews secretly control a given country, while the formal government is a puppet regime.[1]

The expression is used by antisemitic groups such as white supremacists in the United States[2][3][4][5][6][7] and Europe,[8] ultra-nationalists such as Pamyat in Russia, and various far-right groups, including some in Poland.[9]'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

Eh.

My $.02.

;)

LostDutchman

http://lurkmore.so/images/5/50/Zog.jpg

"The World is ruled by Z.O.G."

Zu Befehl!

Ich wusste nicht dass es hier solche Mannschaft gibt.  :D

Seems that there is; those anti-Semitic fools who blame all their problems on the Jews.

Someone tried that once and it didn't work out well as I recall.

My $.02.

;)

Well... Nuland is a Jew.... no denying there.

So is Bruce Springsteen.

What does that prove?

My $.02.

;)

Bruce Springsteen didn't spend 5 billion USD on instigating riots in Kiev, but Nuland did.

So , you have all the proofs for that I assume , including bills , names bank accounts?
Are you sure about 5. I heard both 2 and 7.5 as well.

Right here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37599.htm

Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government - all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of Ukraine’s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals.

Bruce Springsteen didn't spend 5 billion USD on instigating riots in Kiev, but Nuland did.

How you like to distort truth.

Banning Russian language, installing neo-nazi regime.... a few of the goals.

In any case, I wish the USA would stay out of it.

The USA simply cannot afford it.

My $.02.

;)

Something or somebody doesn't agree with russians politics , he must be a neo-nazi or a FASCIST!

"1720 – Peter I's decree banning the printing press in the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian texts seizure of church books."

He was a nazi too?

http://www.analitik.org.ua/researches/archives/3dee44d0/41ecef0cad01e/
"According to the Kiev Center Political Research 97% of the population of Crimea use Russian language to communicate."
In your opinion, do Crimeans have to be delighted that the Russian language is banned?

Do Romanians have to be delighted by the ban of the Romanian language during the USSR period ?
Do we have to be delighted by the burning of Romanian churches in the Timok valley by the freedom loving serbs that we're bombed by the war loving americans? (that's a recent fact 2010+)

You're asking the wrong question here the wrong way to the wrong person here:)

Are you able to think impartially, at least sometimes? :D

Yeah , but unfortunately just like some other people in this thread , I can't do it here.

I have lost too many family members during 47-89 to believe that something good will come out of Russia.
Except vodka. And the Sochi / Moscow (misha) mascots.

So what? Do you really think that you are unique here?  :D I've lost almost entire maternal ancestors line due to Stalinism regime too. I'm agree that's bad but Stalin and his ideology are dead for a very long time.

If you have a psychological problem, then you have to visit a competent professional. Why should we care about your precognitions?

Idiots don't die that easy. Same for Hitlers followers or Obama's or Putin.
I actually believe that the rates are increasing right now.

War is just stupid...stupid and stupid. No matter who is pulling the trigger those are idiots.
But telling me that those protesters are the only ones to blame and they are the ones doing the killing , that can't be called stupid is beyond this

why dont you ask niothor to spill some info regarding romanians fighting on the side of nazi germans during second warld war, especially in sevastopol where romanian forces played the biggest role in axis army. he has been subjected to russophobia for most of his life as their grandparents fought unsuccessfully. after the war soviet union command held influence over romania they could have been much more heavy handed, instead they've achieved very high levels of literacy, healthcare and infrastructure. the very things that your beloved eu is dismantling as we speak. people need to stop and reconsider who is the enemy and who is the foe.

We need the facts, your precognisions are not enough to judge. In fact, we have one Copperfield already...

Sometimes the war is an adequate solution for a set of problems. That's why USA needs the war to resolve their financial issues... You need to be more cynical, if you wish to survive in this world.

Tell me what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQakVj7IvZM

Are you ready to think, or do you prefer continue protecting these idiots?

Because he won't accept this argument. It's obvious that he have spent not so much time reading history textbooks.

How about you look a bit deeper into Romanian history?
Especially inot he two ww?

My ancestors were some first class cowards in both wars. I don't even try to figure out how many times we've changed sides that century and during the wars.
And about the second assumption ,you have started it from the wrong point.

My grand grandparents were also a target for the germans and the ungarians at the start of the war.
Both idiotic factions at that time hated intellectuals , and even more people who had some kind of wealth.

3rd assumption... oh god please no , don't even talk about that.

So i'm not just russophobic (?), but wait till Germany invades Austria to protect Germans or Hungary tries to take back the Ardeal region so I can prove that.
Or for any god damn stupid war that can be discussed here. Afghanistan or Irak or god help us no new one.

Eu dismantling? Hmm... that's something new :) Oh wait , Croatia left the EU this year, you;re right.

Does it really have to be like that?


Yeah , we had our bunch of terrorist in 89 here , youtube is the place to find the truth , right?
And how can you say it is real?

Besides , you missed that big , actually not that big :)

this was a comment by a user at zero hedge which is spot on:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/red-line-crossing-ukraine-effectively-gifts-crimea-russia-says-will-not-intervene-mi


also this is worth reading:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-10/was-price-ukraines-liberation-handover-its-gold-fed

I'm waiting for the picture with the three of them and a bullet hole in their heads. And not a photoshopd picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjU8MFabyOs

 :D

Imperial nation sends in military to quiet social unrest in one of its bordering puppet states?

Say it ain't so...

LOL, open your eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlrH0bCIS0

Explanation for the victims of brainwashing:

Government is formed by the president, while the president is elected by people. And it's the only way to form a legitimate government. I didn't knew what Victoria Nuland already won the presidential elections.

1. Legitimate government was taken down through the coup;
2. Nuland's puppet regime was installed instead.

Say it ain't so... (c)

Who's who in Ukraine's new [semi-fascist] government
http://www.answercoalition.org/national/news/Ukraine-new-semi-fascist-government.html

Advice from an anon, seeing politics (even global politics) in black and white is a fools perspective.

Interesting phonecall, but I definitely could have done without the video.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video
I.e. de facto recognized an installation of puppet regime. :P


Pure demagogy and no appropriate answer has been provided. ::)

Let's see your message again:
And my statements:

1) Azarov's government was formed by democratically elected president (elections were observed and recognized by EU and US).
2) Yanukovich is definitely wasn't a puppet. There are a lot of proofs (he sent Gazprom supporter into the jail, for example), you need a proof for opposite statements in order to deny that.
3) Now we have illegitimate and puppet "government" instead, there are a lot of facts proving this statement.
4) There were no protests in the Crimea. And actually, the "anti-maidan" movement was supported by huge part of Crimea citizens.
5) All little green men already have been located here since 1993 according to Kharkiv Pact, no additional militaries were sent yet. This pact also allows Russian side to send 10k little green men in addition to current set, even without authorization from Russian senate or Ukrainian government.
6) Now you have check & mate. ;)

And nothing personal, but I recognize myself as a self-sufficient and public person. That's why I'm able to live without advices from anonymous person. Especially if this person sees the global politics in black & white colors and tries to judge without any attempts to read something about the subject. But thanks, anyway.

Too late? USD 5 billion already spent.  ;D

Lol... in Italy, we're facing the third consecutive goverment not elected by the people, but putted in charge for "emergency reasons".

Pls Russia send us some troops!

Laughting for no reason it's a sign of problem. :P

Your government was replaced according to constitution. No nazi coup and no Victoria Nuland in the Italy at the moment... Or did I miss something?  :D

Nope, but I think that YOU missed something. :)
Check this phonecall and read the topic before commenting. Otherwise your comment seems quite strange.

No troops were sent yet, surprise.  :)

You're missing that we made and used for many years an electoral law that, according to supreme constitutional court, is inconstitutional. Simple as hell :)
I think that imperial powers (USA, Russia and lately EU) won't give a fuck about constitution or people protests - expecially the four people showed in the photo, but also the thousands of people in Maidan square - and i see the situation in a whole different way:
- People, both in Crimea and in the rest of Ukraine, want freedom and hate corruption.
- Politicians want money and to remain in charge.
- Russia want Crimea (see WWI).
- USA don't want Crimea to be russian.
- Europe is still not a cohered political entity with a strong willing, but want political influence in the area.
And we're only assisting to manipulation and spreading of hate operated by politicians and governments.

I was laughing because you was speaking about laws like they have any real importance in a situation like that. I think they have not. And to the troops thing, you're stating that "pro-russian" troops without insigna are actually not russian troops?

0.1% of population (people on Maidan) vs. the rest 99.9%. Who the hell gives them a right to take down a government and replace it with the Nazi? Are they crazy? Why not use a constitutional court instead of this shit? ::)

It's already Russian according to Kharkiv Pact. In the case of unilateral withdrawal, initiated by the Ukrainian side (which is a matter of time in case of Nazi government). It seems like they're just came back to collect some debts before that would happen. ;D Anyway, why not if Crimea people wanted the same.

In case of Kosovo they are...  :D So I suppose that's good for trolling. Anyway, nazi coup shouldn't be allowed to function even if it will result with a war. There were enough victims during 1936-1945.

Actually there is a speculation that Yanukovich had a talk with China about selling some Crimean land for $15 billion... That's why all of this happened, I guess. USA and Russia don't want to have a chinese bases here.

It doesn't matter even if that's true. Because Yanukovich won't be able to make such deals anymore.

Another photo of this banner, this time close-up:

http://supercoolpics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/supercoolpics_31_12032014095712.jpg

 ::)

Angry femen protestors (big tits in combination with a lack of intelligence):

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/femen-protest-in-crimea-slideshow/members-crimean-self-defence-units-block-femen-activist-photo-114128582.html

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1902846_299399450213712_1551477648_n.jpg

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/op1ElYWyHIeKRwEb2YKrUQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MjU2NTtjcj0xO2N3PTM4MTE7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTQyNDtxPTc1O3c9NjMw/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-03-06/68dfc6c0-a541-11e3-acd3-adda4ea68002_05974581.jpg

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/p370x247/1510502_301623553324635_1118826104_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/p403x403/10012501_301356236684700_862459327_n.jpg

Another Putin vs. Obama collage:

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1016567_10202692638070373_1928286622_n.jpg

 ;D

Some stats:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73094000/gif/_73094671_ukraine_divide_2.gif

well i assume the gasprom will have to forget about the $2bn debt. can call it a good deal for a purchase of peninsula.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26514797

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqUbPAmFPKg

 *trollface*

Something about G8 membership:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zZNYkCvOhG4#t=626

:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iruii5ES8As

Ukraine gets the lowest price ever, all these years, and still struggles to pay for it. How come?

I'd say, if they decide to "forget this debt", it's a good enough reason to annihilate current government, with or without full military invasion.

If Russia is so bad, why do they suck on it's tit all these years?

"Russia Invades Ukraine. Whats next?"

Tomorrow the World?

My $.02.

;)

I think only another neighbouring country. Just hope it won't be mine. :-X

Maybe other ex-USSR countries? It would be more realistic.

>1) Azarov's government was formed by democratically elected president (elections were observed and recognized by EU and US).

Have you read any history? Puppet governments are typically bought out not placed by force (especially in modern contexts where information travels so fast).

>2) Yanukovich is definitely wasn't a puppet. There are a lot of proofs (he sent Gazprom supporter into the jail, for example), you need a proof for opposite statements in order to deny that.

Smart puppets hide their strings.

>3) Now we have illegitimate and puppet "government" instead, there are a lot of facts proving this statement.

Yes there are.

4) There were no protests in the Crimea. And actually, the "anti-maidan" movement was supported by huge part of Crimea citizens.

Ya

5) no additional militaries were sent yet.

 :D

>6) Now you have check & mate.

Is this really how you end your discourses? I wonder how anybody can stomach talking with more than once.

>And nothing personal, but I recognize myself as a self-sufficient and public person. That's why I'm able to live without advices from anonymous person. Especially if this person sees the global politics in black & white colors and tries to judge without any attempts to read something about the subject. But thanks, anyway.

You should try and learn something from everyone. Being self-sufficient doesn't mean ignore everyone that disagrees with you, after all if we did that we would never grow would we? When I look at my past, even people I had little respect for taught me something. Also, I think you're getting a little mixed up about who sees the world in black and white here mate  ;)

My advice is to remember, historically speaking, governments are almost always uncovered as the corrupt institutions that they are. If you look up to one as the epitome of good and righteousness you're bound to be disappointing.

 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/us-drone-intercepted-over-crimea-russian-self-defense-forces

US Drone in Crimea shut down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwhcqm3STlY

Antimaidan in the eastern ukraine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwhcqm3STlY

Following mistakes were made in this statement:
IMHO USA is absolute master when it comes to politics and they are constantly focused on expanding the imperium.
Obama comes with soldiers that are trained in killing people and it's obvious that he doesn't care about human life at all.
He can just do what he wants - except challenging Russia

compare that to obama got a  nobel for peace dint invade any country half way of the globe and dint bomb civilians using drones  .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26558288


so now the nazi got a full time paid job

ha!

Full time, but not paid yet... Because they didn't received a loan for now. :D

they dint discover yet the power of taxation ?

Ukrainian neo nazi: http://vk.com/w8tan  http://zaytivk.ru/w8tan

http://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iarex.ru%2Farticles%2F46036.html

lol, it seems that Crimea crisis wasn't enouth for so-called government... Waiting for declaration of independence by ethnic Hungarians, ethnic Romanians will be next.

dosen't sound  me like the pact say that crimea is russian

why are you citing kosovo? It's not recognized as a country by half of the world and recognized by the other half, although the international court sentenced that it's declaration of indipendence should be legal. As a result, it was devastated by war and genocides operated by the commuist milosevich, and now it's one of the poorest country of the region. Do you want this destiny for your country? War is bad.
 
I know by some sort of degree (one of my friend is a photograph and go there, see some of his shots (http://www.cesura.it/projectGallery.php?pagineCod=2205416), they're amazing) that people in maidan square are not all nazis, most of them are not even politically oriented at all. And they're risking their life. I don't see people in crimea risking their life to stop nazi's abuses. Can you please explain me what kind of abuses or abusive laws are you talking about?


U cannot "buy" land and put a military base on it. FUD

Pls, don't hate me too much. I only think that you are in the middle of a FUD "hate-spreading" propaganda operation operation, and i'm scared your country will face a lot of internal dissent or even war. You the people must ask for peace, the referendum has been claimed illegal by all the world except russia, it won't resolve anything.

Well... Only a few hours remaining to voting start  ::)

Currently there are:

• 623 reporters from 169 media companies;
• 135 observers from 23 countries (including Russia, Latvia, Belgium, Poland, United States, Mongolia, China, Serbia, Israel, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Greece);
• Press center was created on the foundation of local "Crimea" media company office.

Journalists will be able to attend all the voting stations.

Source: http://ria.ru/world/20140316/999655034.html#ixzz2w4hwEv57 (in russian)

Wanna bet on the outcome?I say 96%.

70-80%

Kharkiv pact extends the duration of fleet agreements to 2042. It's not a single document, there are many agreements signed between 1991 and 2000.

This was signed in 1995, for example:


http://search.ligazakon.ua/l_doc2.nsf/link1/MU95112U.html (in Ukrainian)

Actually it's not a first crisis event which related with the republic of Crimea. Crimea already declared independence at 5 May 1992. It even had own president elected at 4 February 1994...

I think that it would be something like 65-70%, i.e. proportional to russian-speaking part of population.

Well maybe 96% is too far fetched but 90% is possible. Lots of people will be too afraid to go to vote against so that;s why I'm backing such number.
If there would be no pressure from either side I would have expected something like your numbers.

if you look at numbers above 95% look on north Kosovo referendum I don't see there any case for military pressure is just plain numbers and i bet the same on Crimea Russians wants to make this look extremely legit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kosovo_referendum,_2012

To all Americans Ukraine is not your war.

http://allhackersnews.com/2014/02/anonymous-operations-expose-ukrainian-bandera-nazis.html

As i said... seems like is going on mass hating spread, operated by both part governments

I know that but tell H.Obama.

My $.02.

;)

Canada considers Ukraine our war as well.  We stand together in the NATO alliance.

Canada only exists as an independent nation because of its Southern border with the USA.

Get a grip, eh?

My $.02.

;)

It's not yours either.

I'm sure nato alliance will do nothing about it other than sanctions and mouth war. Otherwise prepare for nuclear winter.

Voting is started 3 hours ago, 7 hours remaining.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2GEpTkQu3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4xGEla-oso
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/13/video-ron-paul-defends-crimeas-referendum-on-annexation-by-russia/

It's a cold war pissing contest. Russia wanting to prove control of it's neighbours and trade interests, and Europe, being a puppet of US foreign policy,  turning it into a democracy case to mask western expansion mentality.

meanwhile Putin is using this internally in Russia to boost his position by blaming Ukrainians for being led by Nazis.

Truly an amazing cold war propaganda  re-enactment.

This. With some chanches to turn in a local bloody civil war, with superpowers supporting both parts. Ukraine people should try to avoid that, but on this forum i see only propaganda-induced hate, and people who claims war as the only solution...

Is there any list? I suppose that would be a list of multiaccounts :)

Actually nobody here cares about this so-called "war"... It's total BS created by media and fascist so-called "government". Just ignore all of them and everything will be fine... Following with the declaration of independence. :)

We have come to such a self centered state of mind where we care about immediate human life too much without caring about sustainability for ourselves, the future generations and the planet itself.

I agree. Life would much better for everyone on this planet, if population was 50% less, and life expectancy at least 30% less.


EDIT: Nature had certain tools to keep population in check. Now those tools are not working anymore.

so... seems like a good time to invest in american oil/natural gas suppliers?

Cross a libertarian and an environmentalist and you have a suicide cult (No joking I agree to your points)

Lets see what is gonna happen after today's referendum in Crimea!
I think they'll decide to unite with Russia.

It won't happen right after it.
They need time and they need another referendum etc, etc.

so far 73%

More than 30 residents of Kiev have took part in a peaceful protest against the referendum March 16, 2014, speaking for the integrity of Ukraine. The rally was organised by the initiative facebook group "The Last World War".
Participants of the rally got undressed on the steps of the City Hall of the capital trying to attract public attention to the agression of the Russian armed forces on the Crimean Peninsula."Peace to the World", "No to the war", "Putin - no!" was shouted by the protesters .
Also worth mentioning that the participants of the rally organized raising of money to support the Crimean population who have suffered of Putin's annexation. Fund-raising occurs in the form of popular Cryptocurrency: Bitcoin and Dogecoin.
Earlier, the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatars urged Crimean residents for a boycott of the referendum.
On Friday, the Constitutional Court of Ukraine decided that all the actions of the Parliament of autonomy, including actions for the referendum, do not correspond to the Constitution of Ukraine .

https://www.facebook.com/lastworldwar
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/s403x403/1797432_674547842592165_1751956154_n.jpg

One is every 8 prostitutes in the EU is from Russia , so If I were you I wouldn't start talking about prostitution.
Same number for .RO , unfortunately.

http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=585055

93%

Pretty close.

Never seen street prostitutes from Russia or Ukraine in Italy.
But romanian, italian and bulgarian - yes.

The most of sex workers and slaves in EU are from Moldavia, Ukraine, Albania and Bulgaria. It's quite well organized crime. But it's hard to determine the exact nationality especially because there are no differences between russians, belorussians or ukrainians which could be seen... That's why there are a lot of jokes like:

- My friend warned me don't drink with them, because it's a russian prostitutes. As far I see, 2 of them are from moldavia and one from the Ukraine.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/55866.html

It's exit polls, not official data.

But actually 1992 Crimean referendum result was 92% with ~80% turnout.

If this was 1970 Tank's would be in Paris and Missles would be back in Cuba.

This response is Moderate, sir, MODERATE.

2002 post data


http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/01/23/romania-beats-russia-as-main-exporter-europe-prostitutes/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

And Romanian population is about 1/8th of that of Russia.

No way! Italy must be crawling with Ukranian prostitutes. Some are even frequently flying there for a "weekend job". I guess tall blond girls are popular amongst your average looking Italian guy. Supply and demand.

EDIT: It's easy for Ukrainians to pose as Russians and vice versa.

But you know how easy is for a romanian to enter italy and how hard for a russian?
Besides , how much of russian population is almost half a globe away from Europe?

 Ukraine is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.

Old Testament; real wrath of God type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave!

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

My $.02.

;)

That was to much. That was like end of the world.

I don't think this situation is smelling of war, it' still "only" a political mess. Are you crimeans seeing any big movement of troops beside what expected? What about the ukranians military in crimea? Are they leaving the region or what?

They are leaving republic now, but some part decided to stay. Some of them choose to recognize the new government, another part just ignores everything what happened (yep, it seems quite strange I agree). Ukrainian fleet is already moved to Odessa.

P.S. The inscription on the Parliament building is changed already:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjApTFRIMAA8u-0.jpg

A second wave of Russian military reinforcements has been heading towards Ukraine's eastern border, prior to the formal annexation of the region by Russia on 18 March.

Train loads of Russian tanks, heavy artillery, rocket launchers and armoured troop carriers have been revealed in news media reports and social media posts heading westwards from central Russia and Siberia, while airborne exercises have been conducted in the region.

Two trains were filmed in Saratov on 14 March carrying more than 20 T-90 main battle tanks (MBTs) and several 2S3 152mm self-propelled artillery systems (SPAs). Images also emerged of a station in Omsk, Siberia, showing trains loaded with heavy artillery and rocket launchers.

russian military men love fishing. especially on reaquired coastal locations of crimea.

imo they are waiting for some fanatic/nazi to shoot civilians to get live on TV and then roll in and i quite convinced that the fanatics/nazi will deliver is just matter of time

inbe4worldwar3...


Seriously who wants to come join me in Antarctica

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=641_1285524199

they need something that putin cant take  ;D ;D

I wish it were a bad story with a happy end

It's a serious game just like a chess, and results could be very funny :)

A population of the Crimea is about 2 million... As the result we have:

1) US and EU doesn't recognize a referendum;
2) US and EU faces with recognition of new RF & Ukraine borders;
3) It's obvious that Crimeans won't allow to perform any Ukrainian elections on their territory;
4) Ukrainian pseudo-government faces with impossibility of legitimate presidential & parliamentary elections;
5) EU/US or Ukrainian pseudo-government must recognize sovereignty of the Republic of Crimea. Otherwise they won't be able to perform any elections;
6) Check & Mate. Recognition is only a matter of time. ::)

Very simple. Kosovo for Crimea.

Britons rate Russia more positively than EU  :D
http://europolitics.info/livenews/140323001200.fyjvazlg.xml 

I really wish good luck to you and all the people of your country. But you're making it too plain simple, we're facing a cold war situation and this can do nothing good for the world.


U're really facing this risk. And kosovarians are not happy of the situation.


Solution? Call for absolute indipendence, and start using esperanto as language and bitcoin as currency :)

I think ukranians and crimeans are basically good, but you're going to be badly fucked up by the most powerful governments in the world. Russia is powerful, but Russia only want you to hate ukranians and the whole europe, this to gain an area of exclusive influence because of the sea, the fleet, the gas, the border etc etc... your area has been one of the main russia's strategical objectives for the wholes XIX and XX centuries.

Most of the Britons want UK to leave the EU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJbFUvmmnbk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giNCROvJLCw

Re: Russia Invades Ukraine. Whats next?


Alaska

 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPSSJAYQ1k

Indeed that would be an interesting one

Romanians are only around 20% of the population in Chernivtsi. Similarly, only around 12% of the population of Trans-Carpathia is Maghiari, with the remainder mostly consisting of Ruthenians. However Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Rivne and Volyn will be better with Poland.

Odessa is home to large minorities of Moldvins, Bulgars, Russians and Gagauz (esp.in Budzak). There is a large Greek minority in Donetsk (esp. in Mariupol). Russians are near majority in Luhansk, Donetsk and Kharkiv.

I think, that is a polish TV fake map, Crimea is painted Ukrainian.
They call it "a map from russian LDPR".

Whos that pretty girl is she in the Russian Military?

About the map.

LDPR sent an informal suggestion to the governments of Poland, Romania and Hungary about conducting referendums in the regions of those states that border with Ukraine.

As the said in the press statement, there was no talk about dividing Ukraine, but simply about gauging public opinion in the regions of those states, as well as in the corresponding Ukrainian regions.

http://www.forbes.ru/news/252753-v-ldpr-razyasnili-predlozheniya-zhirinovskogo-granichashchim-s-ukrainoi-stranam

She is Ms Poklonskaya
And damn fine
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518960.msg5867803#msg5867803

Russia won't stop on Crimeea,a Ukrainian journalist published a secret document that revealed Russia's plans to take the whole Ukraine.Is up to European Union and America to find a way to stop Putin without a war.

alaska is next

the only one world imperator is USA ( iraq, kosovo, korea vietnam, libia, syria, afganistan, venezuela,  ihwan muslimin.

al quaeda etc..

well is see the end of unipolar world (USA)

We don't need unipolar (USA) or bipolar (USA/ RUSSIA) world

we need multipolar world and peace

whole world is next!
enough fucking panic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMlu7tUshg

 war again and again , the world is fragile , it can't bear the third world war.
why there are so many militants in so many countries ?

I've just seen this in news...alaska really wants to join Russia ???

Mars is the next :)

If USA have moon in Arizona; Russia will have Mars (is Sibir)
:)

Argentina to Host Russian Military Bases While America Sleeps


http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/argentina-to-host-russian-military-bases-while-america-sleeps/

http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Argentina-to-Host-Russian-Military-Bases-While-America-Sleeps-650x365.jpg

Not so worrying the US has bases in chile and Brazil anyways pretty much countries with a strong right leaning Russia and China have left leaning country's in Latin America

Argentina, and its close ally, Venezuela, have long been on friendly terms with Iran and this latest move opens the door to another political foe of the United States.

Or I guess the Global South vs Global North division is the new cold war area

Well letting a former KGB agent to become a president is not wise, but also leaving him unpunished for not respecting international law,
is all another thing. I hope economical changes that European union took, and helped Ukraine with 16 BILLION eur will at least help to suppress Russian
dictature that is spreading through eastern Europe. Whats next? Taking whole Ukraine? Just imagine that, we could be standing on the edge before WW3.

international law  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
don't make me laugh  :D :D

You mean massive layoffs, repeal of social payments and increased tariffs? :)

Helped lol... Helped by giving them a loan on enslaving conditions. Thanks, that's a great help. :D

Yep, protect Ukrainians through enslaving them using a pupped government. Western approaches to human rights and democracy in action.

...and we have bears walking the streets, by the way. Don't forget it.

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, Sirya... Shall we continue? :D

Oh of course, visit to KFC is much easier than reading the UN Charter. Ignorance is so nice, it allows your government to interpret an international law as they wish. Seriously, how can you respect something that you even didn't read?

Imagine an appropriate education first, it would be much better. And begin with UN Charter, article 1 paragraph 2.

U.S. intel assessment: greater likelihood Russia will enter eastern Ukraine

By Barbara Starr

A new classified intelligence assessment concludes it is more likely than previously thought that Russian forces will enter eastern Ukraine, CNN has learned.

Two administration officials described the assessment but declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information.

The officials emphasized that nothing is certain, but there have been several worrying signs in the past three to four days.

“This has shifted our thinking that the likelihood of a further Russian incursion is more probable than it was previously thought to be,” one official said.


The buildup is seen to be reminiscent of Moscow’s military moves before it went into Chechnya and Georgia in both numbers of units and their capabilities.

U.S. military and intelligence officials have briefed Congress on the assessment.

As a result, Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee late Wednesday sent a classified letter to the White House expressing concern about unfolding developments.

An unclassified version obtained by CNN said committee members feel “urgency and alarm, based on new information in the committee’s possession.”

The committee said there was “deep apprehension that Moscow may invade eastern and southern Ukraine, pressing west to Transdniestria and also seek land grabs in the Baltics.”

Transdniestria is a separatist region of Moldova.

Committee members noted that Gen. Philip Breedlove, head of the U.S. European Command and NATO military chief, noted the Russians had sufficient forces to make moves into those areas.

American officials believe the more than 30,000 Russian forces on the border with Ukraine, combined with additional Russian forces placed on alert and mobilized to move, give Russian President Vladimir Putin the ability to rapidly move into Ukraine without the United States being able to predict it when it happens.

The assessment makes several new points including:

Troops on Russia’s border with eastern Ukraine – which exceed 30,000 - are “significantly more” than what is needed for the “exercises” Russia says it has been conducting, and there is no sign the forces are making any move to return to their home bases.

The troops on the border with Ukraine include large numbers of
“motorized” units that can quickly move. Additional special forces, airborne troops, air transport and other units that would be needed appear to be at a higher state of mobilization in other locations in Russia.

There is additional intelligence that even more Russian forces are “reinforcing” the border region, according to both officials. All of the troops are positioned for potential military action.

Russian troops already on the border region include air defense artillery and wheeled vehicles.

The United States believes that Russia might decide to go into eastern Ukraine to establish a land bridge into Crimea.

The belief is that Russian forces would move toward three Ukrainian cities: Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk in order to establish land access into Crimea. Russian forces are currently positioned in and around Rostov, Kursk, and Belgorod, according to U.S. intelligence information.

Just remembered about something related to subject:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494128.msg5899455#msg5899455

Kiev only.

Not my quote

We are so mean to the Poor UN lol but its so true

21solider21

you're so stupid

USA and international law???

In Iraq USA kill 1.000.000 peoples!!!!
Syria, Jemen, Afganistan, Libia, Yugoslavia...etc

Is Russia kill someone in Ukraine?

No, but there are two victims of provocation, performed by "Svoboda" sniper.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/724451

Anyway, a "legitimate" Kiev's junta should be responsible for this. Of course, they are allowed to violate international law, permission is granted by Obomber  :D

Balthazar
Are you russian propagandist?
How much Putin pay you? ))

LOL... Much simpler, I'm a Putin myself.

if putin is into litecoin then i should hodl! the russian central bank might use them as reserve currency after they get rid of dollar affiliation.

I've made a call already. We'll use novacoins, while litecoins will be hedl in the upcoming bill.

International law is not about "not killing" people. And yes, it's a kind of a joke, expecially when the "bigs" come to play, it only works when everybody agree.

"International Law" is whatever the winning powers of the moment decide it to be.

My $.02.

;)

I think this will be the world in 2030, thanks to massive referendums (with 2 weeks notification)

http://flatrock.org.nz/static/frontpage/14_if_population_correlated_to_land_size.jpg

So called "international law" has two antagonistic clauses:

- One declares principle of self-determination.
- Another declares right to protect national integrity.

So anyone may pick one, drop another and argue.

Very true.

My $.02.

;)

Lulz did India pack off and ship itself to canada lmao and Japan in the middle east hehe someone is tripping on this map

funny to see idiot Russians support Putin, but he wont support Bitcoin,  Am I missing something?

Current implementation of Bitcoin protocol simply can't handle the volume of transactions, which is comparable with the visa. Anybody here knows it, welcome to reality.  

Did you asked him personally?

Oh, what a boring trolls here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544711.0

Are you ready to create a petition about secession Australia from India, or not yet? http://kolobok.us/smiles/light_skin/crazy.gif

Actually there is no such problem.

Any state has a right to protection of territorial integrity.
Any people has a right to self-determination.

state != people, these entities are independent subjects of deal. The deal between people and state is regulated by constitution and international law. Problem only appears when Obama tries to say that state and people are identical entities, which is a violation of international law.

People should understand that from the Russian perspective Putin did not have much choice. Basically Russia lost the control over Ukraine, due to a inconsistent policy towards it. In a way Russian foreign policy is quite inefficient in maintaining economical or political control over the countries which are of interest to it, the way USA does it.

Regarding Ukraine it was clear with strange gas policy (basically there were some serious stealing through some middle-men companies, see Gunvor etc., instead of using gas prices as the way to control Ukrainian political landscape).

So when Russia basically fucked up with Maidan events Putin just couldn't let is slide and had to move, and move fast. Which proves him to be a great tactitian, but a poor strategist.

But in a way that was the smartest move he made during all his years in power. Basically he solved all inner political problems with it, and bolstered his international image of the bad mofo.

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-right-sector-condemned-997/

Oh, shit... They are undemocratic!  :)

Comments are funny too.

can putin do something good for the world and kill evryone from right sector .

https://pp.vk.me/c540102/v540102697/3a5cb/8SB_iY9dxF4.jpg
 :D

Why bother... They'll kill each other soon, even without any help.

http://rt.com/news/vader-presidential-hopeful-ukraine-885/



 :D

Hmm... I don't find it funny actually.
Whatever one's position is, one should not stoop down to burning/defacing another state's symbols.

As to answer the title of the thread, here's what's next:
http://rt.com/news/lavrov-interview-ukraine-russia-065/
However, no invasion is on the agenda, just as it never was.

Unless NATO throws a tantrum and decides to bomb everything in Ukraine to smithereens.

I think this is the map Lavrov mentions at the end of his interview (or, at least, something similar):

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/natorussia.jpg

 ;D ;D ;D

Maybe that smile is really inappropriate...
Results of the annexation of Crimea(joining Crimea to Russia) to the Ukrainian soldiers:
Ukrainian soldiers became Russian soldiers.
While I agree that he shouldn't burn his old passport....

I agree. I would be wary of accepting such traitors in my own ranks. When time comes, he will burn his new passport with the same smile.

It looks bad, sure, but it's much easier to understand. I've seen a video recently, so-called Defense Minister scolds officer for "betrayal" when his people rejected the order to shoot unarmed people. ::)

They are not traitors, they are the victims of betrayal. Their direct command betrayed them many times. Instead of solving the problem, their authority were fighting for the positions in offices and ignored all requests during this month. People just got tired of it and followed the new leader. The ribbon on his chest it's a flag of the Republic of Crimea, that's the end of story... And the beginning of another. :)

пoздpaв зa нaшy бpaћy из Бeoгpaдa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAcDJuKBnHQ#t=43

Nice done, I hope organizers of the rally will have no problems. ::)

The video might be a montage of a rally supporting Radovan Karadžić (look at 1:27 - banner Paдoвaн Кapaџић), with Russian anthem overlayed (if so, Doppler shift when the car passes is done well, or it might be that they indeed played Russian anthem during that demonstration).

In any case, the comments speak volumes. Russian Slavs can count on Slavs from Serbia, just as they can count on Slavs in Ukraine and Bulgaria, Slovakia and Slovenia, Belorussia and Macedonia. And I am not thinking about the governments and official structures, but about the ordinary people in these countries.

Who cares about the government... Government could be replaced without any problem, Nuland says it's OK :D

It seems that satellite governments are not smart enough, because in this way they are digging their own grave. Their recognition of junta is quite funny precedent. This means that anybody is allowed to run a coup, seize the power and his self-proclaimed government will be legal.

The problem is that Nuland doesn't have any more money to sustain the new government.

But still.... did she really spend $ 5 billion there? How much of it actually ended up with the protestors?

Most of the money was spent on bribing the Eastern oligarchs such as Akhmetov and Kernes.

Some of that money definitely ended up with Klitschko. 

Both are playing game with other world and creating discomfort in the world for only their interest.

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Putin-Gold1.jpg

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Putin-chess.jpeg

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2014/03/27/german-industry-goes-to-see-uncle-putin/

Putin never interfered anywhere outside the traditional Russian area of influence. It is the US which is playing the world police by sabotaging democratically elected governments all around the world.

only when the population elect the wrong persons

So, if I think the US people have elected a wrong leader in Barack Obama, do I have the right to invade the US?

Yes, of course.

your criteria is irrelevant for this matter

You are 1 step from ban :)

Please explain.

You will not get an explanation. Because he don't know what he is talking about.  ;D

only Obama & co can decide if ppl on other country's ( hello Egypt )voted correctly or not and this is  pretty fucking obvious

Solution is pretty simple, you can rename himself to Barack H.O.  :D

Or you can rename Barack into Skyscraper  :P

if the crimean  people want to join russia let them

Crimea is made up of more Russians thats why is not a fair vote.  They should have counted UK vote 3 to 1

The Russian government now! United States and Russia but also in playing soft war.

Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapon

Ukraine never had any nukes. Only the USSR had them.

At the time of the disintegration of the USSR, more than 2,000 nuclear weapons were located in the territory of Ukraine. Most of them were repatriated to Russia. However, a small number of them (I am not sure how many) were stolen by corrupt oligarchs and criminals and sold to various terrorist organizations (including Al Qaeda).

Nuclear weapon requires a continuous maintenance. It includes many various processes, the most of them couldn't be performed without developing a suitable nuclear industry. So, even if something was stolen (which is impossible because nobody from local authorities had suitable access level), this weapons are unusable already.

I heard that some of the weapons ended up with North Korea. They do have (or in case they don't, they can easily hire) the technology to make it usable.

Anyways I do hope that the stolen weapons become unusable. 

Бpaт

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vShUKfuBoLI

If N. Korea  got it, they got it from China.
like N. Korea space program

when the US invades other countries it's OK, but when russia wants to have a go its bad. i love it. i also kinda like putin cause he doesn't give a fuck. he saw an opportunity and he went for it.

balls.

There is no Chinese space program. They stole it from Russia.

Talk about biting a hand that feeds you.  ::)

http://rt.com/news/crimea-russia-tragedy-yanukovich-877/


It was touching watching it. Yes, Serbs and Russians are brothers.

Then maybe Russians should've gone as far as starting WW3 when trying to protect their brothers? Pulling much more might in that region?
From my point of view, sadly, it looked like abandonment.

15 years ago Russia was too weak, just emerging as a state from the shadow of Soviet Union, torn by internal strife, trying to get a solid footing in the international playing field, where US quickly took initiative. If Russia intervened, it could have faced an invasion or economic penalties, that it wouldn't have been able to shrug off as easily as it does now.

I've seen quite a few comments on other Serbian Youtube videos, where Russians ask for forgiveness from the Serbian people for not being able to come to their aid back then.

Russia is much stronger now, so just being there, without using its military power, it will hopefully be enough to prevent NATO from conducting any more invasions a la Yugoslavia.

http://rt.com/news/nasa-suspends-relations-roscosmos-961/

Well... That's a shame, no more plutonium-238 for NASA. ::)

I kind of forgot about that connection
So can NASA still go to space if I recall correctly they killed the Rocket Program decided to rely on Russian Soyuz and Space X and private industries are still working on space technologies

Three Russians, two Americans, and one Japanese astronaut are onboard the International Space Station (ISS).
Well at least our astronauts and cosmonauts are above blaming each others on country problems :)

It seems as purely populist declaration. If so, then it would be funny if RFSA would decide to answer by breaking this connections really.

Hollywood could be closed, we don't need it anymore because we see ironic comedy thriller in real-time. ::)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab270/Grrraaahhh/Bear%20Photo%20Album/90489895.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Grrraaahhh/media/Bear%20Photo%20Album/90489895.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/_TROLL_/000rd56f.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/_TROLL_/media/000rd56f.jpg.html)

My $.02.

;)

^ that is exactly how my grandpa fought against nazis protecting the motherland.

http://rt.com/files/galleryitem/60/1b/00/00/don_t_panic-01.jpg

http://rt.com/files/galleryitem/52/a5/00/00/kukukuku_1.jpg

http://rt.com/files/online-exclusive/galleries/cartoons/bailout-greece-imf-big/ia7f2687fa94600c731d61a1dee1fdf1e_no-fear--bw--01.jpg

More cartoons: http://rt.com/in-vision/cartoon/

What can the Russians do when you people elect an anti-Serb like Boris Tadić as your president?

I can relate to that as well in that context.

---

This is starting to get ridiculous. Some comments from RT:





Sounds like normal Americans (i.e. not politicians) are starting to get pissed with their government's handling of foreign affairs.

And another rather potent comment:


Newsflash: Looks like North-Atlantic Terrorist Organisation is gearing up for invasion:
http://rt.com/news/lavrov-ukraine-nato-convention-069/

Oh, and the oft-forgotten fact:

Here is good news for Russia:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-03/japan-readies-to-turn-back-on-some-of-its-nukes

Nuclear fuel is Russia's 3rd most important source of Forex, after crude and gas. Last year, they exported almost 40b USD worth of nuclear fuel. If this news is true, that amount will increase.  ;D

Well after that reactors collapse can't blame them for wanting to diversify their industries of course it costs them a lot more to do so happy they are putting them online again

That’s progress, albeit tiny: Three years after the earthquake, 98,000 people remain living in temporary shelters.

I think they call that a house by now lol.

Japan doesn't have too many options. They don't have any gas and they don't have any oil. And their densely populated islands don't have any coal as well. So they have to import all their fuel from the outside. Crude is getting more and more expensive. LNG was never cheap. So the only option left is nuclear energy.  ???

No that's about right they don't really have much choice Japan is a very resource poor nation the reason they entered into Nuclear in the first place is because it was part of their movements to alternative energy sources after the OPEC Crisis in the 1970s it also helped build a significant part of their industries after they switched from a coal based economy to a oil based one

Energy wise the best resources they have are efficiencies the third fuel although they are highly dependnant on imports of raw inputs
Such as rare earths for their magnets from China etc.
That said solving Japans energy problem really is nuclear or a lot more money unless they find offshore oil why they are fighting for the Senkaku/Daiymo islands tiny Atolls etc to extend their geological shelf

If anything Japan might be able to get power from new tech or innovating industries since their tech base is strong but otherwise finding energy efficiencies and securing their supplys remains a constant challenge.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL4N0MT0D020140401

Well.. Senkaku is under de facto Japanese occupation. They don't have to worry much, as long as the NATO is supporting them.

http://rt.com/op-edge/russians-americans-nasa-cooperation-245/

Yes, completely agree that it's a sure sign of stupidity reigning the world when science gets used a bargaining tool for politics.

An interesting analysis by security analyst Charles Shoebridge on NATO's escalation of military power:
http://rt.com/op-edge/nato-crimea-speculation-on-threat-093/


Oi, another interesting read, regarding the supposed 1M "loan" from US. As analysed by geopolitical analyst William Engdahl:
http://rt.com/op-edge/us-ukraine-loan-ngo-945/


http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/24/a6/d0/00/39.si.jpg
http://rt.com/news/nato-anniversary-bombings-death-125/

Some food for thought in this blog post:
http://earthli.com/news/view_article.php?id=2981

Actually it will affect the NASA more. Russian space technology is much more advanced than that of the NASA. NASA even depends on Roscosmos to ship their astronauts to the ISS.

This is one powerful article:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/31/obamas-sleepwalk-toward-war/

Author:
Paul Craig Roberts is a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Roberts’ How the Economy Was Lost is now available from CounterPunch in electronic format. His latest book is How America Was Lost.

In other news:
http://rt.com/politics/ukrainian-military-russian-citizenship-381/

http://www.novinite.com/articles/159543/Ukrainian+Darth+Vader's+Presidency+Bid+Rejected

Darth Vader registration is nullified. In addition, a criminal case has been started. Ehh... It was the best candidate. >:(

Russia appraises losses from the sanctions, losses sustained by EU, that is :D
http://ria.ru/world/20140404/1002584828.html

Short summary:
EU can loose up to 1 trillion Euro because of the sanctions. Germany can lose up to 200 billion €, while the countries hit hardest will be the Baltic countries, where loses will be almost equal to their GBPs. Ironically, Ukraine, whose best interests US seemingly has at heart will also suffer the hardest of the non-EU countries.

True enough although it just extends into the larger argument about China fighting for a lot of islands and stuff think they fight with Taiwan Russia and South Korea as well

Just read this little gem (translated from Russian):

When the West complains about insubordinate behaviour of Russia, I am always reminded of a letter from a German soldier's wife, found on the dead body of a German soldier in 1942: "We are all here in Hamburg deeply angered by stubbornness and unscrupulousness of Russians who still don't agree to stop their stupid and pointless resistance."

 ;D

And an aphorism:
"Western democracy: An absolute power of an absolute minority over an absolute majority. Absolutely."

 ;D

- Timoshenoko: We intend to return Crimea!
- Putin: You've already returned Crimea. Now return the South-East.

 ;D

White House. Early morning. Minister of defence enters the Oval Office.
- Mister President, there are two news items. One good and one bad. Which do you want to hear first?
- Let's start with the bad.
- Alaska joined Russia.
- And the good?
- We successfully managed to ban Medvedev in Twitter...

 ;D

China has fought with almost all of its neighbors over land. That includes Philippines, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Vietnam.etc.

You forgot Soviet Union in that list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
It does not mean that you can't have trade and alliance with them later on.
(What most populists forget to bring to the public nowadays, is that alliances shifted many many times even throughout the last 200 years.)

Well.. this time the Chinese got their a$$es kicked quite hard. The Chinese were over the moon after their victory in the 1961 Sino-Indian conflict. They thought that their manpower will neutralize the superior Soviet technology. The Soviets were quite patient in the initial few days of the conflict. Then they decided that enough was enough. PLA got blown away in 2 days.

Oh shi...

http://kolobok.us/smiles/big_madhouse/crazy.gif

Well..... the Chinese lost thousands of their soldiers, but the death count was under-reported. A Chinese defector told the Americans that more than 3,000 PLA personnel were killed in two hours of BM-21 Grad multi-barrel rocket (Peaктивныx Cиcтeм Зaлпoвoгo Oгня or MLRS) barrage by the Soviets.

The Soviets initially withdrew from most of the island, after which the Chinese advanced. Once they reached the center portion of the island, they were surrounded on three sides by the Red Army. Colonel-General Oleg Losik ordered the Red Army to use MLRS, and within a few hours the Chinese were exterminated. 

Everything seems right but there was no such thing called "Red Army"  :) The Red Army was renamed into Soviet Army in 1946. ::)

He-he speaking of that Russia counters the American boycott with its own
Russian President Vladimir Putin turned up the heat on Ukraine on Wednesday by threatening to demand advance payment for gas supplies
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-vladimir-putin-ups-economic-pressure-1.2604762

No more Russian gas for Ukraine. Let them import it from their new allies (USA). Why anyone should further help the notoriously badly managed industries of Ukraine? More cheap gas means more corruption. Lets put an end to this.

Junta & oligarchs are trying to work with Obama but asking RF for money. Of course they will receive nothing, no surprise here. :)

“The situation is - to put it kindly, strange. It’s known our partners in Europe have recognized the legitimacy of the government in Kiev, yet have done nothing to support Ukraine – not even one dollar or one euro,”

“The Russian Federation doesn’t recognize the legitimacy of the authorities in Kiev, but it keeps providing economic support and subsidizing the economy of Ukraine with hundreds of millions and billions of dollars. This situation can’t last indefinitely,”

This thread became one big circlejerk

we may as well talk in russian now

Look at the people who have shifted their loyalty to Obama. They include Renat Akhmetov and Gennadiy Kernes, two of the most corrupt men in the Ukraine. Let's see for how long the EU and US will tolerate them.

When stuff happens in a Russian-speaking country, you should expect that the most verbal commentators would come from that region. Most here, though, try to translate the information so that it is available to the public. Or do you expect BBC/CNN/Fox "information" only here?

Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) excludes Russia from all international talks and decision-making processes until the end of the year (maybe Russia should ask for it $27 million of contribution to PACE back?):
http://rt.com/news/russia-pace-resolution-boycott-612/
http://www.interfax.ru/world/370805


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US sends its third military ship into Black Sea:
http://ria.ru/world/20140410/1003322464.html

Russia should really start sending its military ships to Cuba. It's been too long since the last time...

If I remember right, russian delegation members said that they will resign in the case of exclusion from decision-making processes... So, they are leaving PACE now?

Yes, eventually:

Who really cares about PACE? If Russia leaves PACE then it will bring more disrepute to the PACE itself than it will bring to Russia. These bodies were supposed to be politically neutral, if I am not wrong. 

Actually I think that RF had to leave PACE a long time ago. Membership in this organization creates nothing but problems. It provides only restrictions without any benefits...

A moratorium on the death penalty, for example... Isn't it ridiculous?  ::)

Definitely. Someone who killed 350 children in Beslan escaped the death penalty because of this stupid moratorium. Time to bring back the death penalty and hang all those terrorists.

A curious bit of news:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/10/photo/
The pictures of Russian troops that NATO said were proving that Russia is amassing its troops at the Ukrainian border are from August 2013, from Russia's military exercises in the Southern region from last summer.

http://rt.com/news/nato-satellite-images-drills-712/

More on that:

US destroyer Donald Cook enters Black Sea amid Ukraine tension (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/uss-donald-cook-montreux-716/


Didn't know Ukraine was in NATO...

Most of them have no idea about Ukraine's location on the globe, so leave them alone. ;)

Non Blacksean countries can entry their military ships for 21 day.

Stupid American viewers of CNN and BBC will not care whether it is from 2013 or 2014. Even if you show them some WW2 footage and say that it is from 2014, they will believe it.

The balance of power of Russia and the US carries on
ABC says Three Ukraines lol
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s3986396.htm

I suppose that the remaining part of text could be ignored :D

Surrender of Ukrainian army in Kramatorsk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyjhxuqp7fA

New-Leningrad :D

http://cs425629.vk.me/v425629175/a658/t_SF7DVRESg.jpg

lol.. these are the terrorists according to the Kiev nazis:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ4ffOWmZpM

It would be nice to know how many Russian would want this guy to revive and become gain the ruler.
Anyone has some polls about this?

I know that there are a lot vehement voices for removing his cadaver from Red Square.

Lenin hardly brought anything good to the Russians. It was during his regime that the Terek Cossacks and the Semirechye Cossacks were exterminated. This in turn encouraged the Muslim domination in the North Caucasus and Central Asia respectively.

http://vk.com/za_evrraz?z=video50574316_167965435%2F4ad079b5c49f74b9ce

:D

Protesters in Donetsk are saying that they will not abide by the Geneva Deal. I think they are right. Their main demands were not even discussed. Ukraine slides further in to anarchy and civil war.

I hope they won't leave buildings. Revolution must be continued while residence of Turchinov isn't seized by protesters. This traitor must surrender and go to the trial.

Oligarch Renat Akhmetov is once again causing problems in the Donetsk Oblast. It will be better for him if he keeps his private army out of the ongoing civil war in the South-East.

Akhmetov, condemning 'genocide of Donbas,' calls for peaceful rally today at noon against Kremlin-backed separatists in Donetsk, Luhansk

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/akhmetov-condemning-genocide-of-donbas-calls-for-massive-peaceful-rally-today-at-noon-against-kremlin-backed-separatists-348498.html

Western companies continues to lose business....

Bombardier's $3.4-billion Russian deal in peril

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/russia-reconsidering-34-billion-bombardier-q400-deal/article18816643/

All those idiots accusing Russia of land grabbing, have you ever heard of the Chagossians?

Some 2,000 people were living in the Island of Diego Garcia (Chagos Islands), when the American Army landed there in 1971. The native people were expelled to the nearby Mauritius, and they are yet to receive any sort of compensation.

http://www.theprisma.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Chagosianos-bajo-8.jpg

Consequences:
1. International agreements mean less and less
2. More countries will see nuclear arms as their guarantee of security
3. NATO and Russia are headed for conflict
4. Rogue states will become less inhibited
5. America’s word will not be taken seriously
6. Countries that try to become more democratic will undermine their own national security

Why should any one give importance to the Americans? Their self-designated role as the world police is coming to an end, with the rising power of the BRICS nations. The war machine is soon going to collapse.

The Ukraine is in Russia's sphere or influence and a minor player like Canada pounding their chests isn't going to do it.
What would happen if Russia started trying to court Quebec to break away from Canada or Texas or Alaska in the US. Some things are meant to stay as they are.