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 Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

The man is working in a club and betting against the gamble. I am not working as an employee in any club and this makes it different. If there is no rules that I can or can not bet against the club that I am employed, why not bet against them if you analyzed and think that the club will lose. I can do it. But provided if not against the rules. As the man is sacked, I think it is against the club rules for a worker to bet against them.

I'm willing to place a bet against my team if it means I get to win some money, but it becomes another story when i'm a part of a football club and i'll be betting against one of their matches. I'd rather not risk losing my job over a one-time bet since there's a conflict of interest. In sports betting, you sometimes have to set aside your emotions and learn to take the opposing side except if you're working for a club or team.

Also, here's a link (https://gamblingindustrynews.com/news/sports/fa-suspends-swansea-staff-member-betting-breaches/) to the betting incident in case others are curious about the details.

I am a gambler does not mean that if I see a sure bet against my club to lose, that I will not take advantage of that bet, because it is fun to see that you win your bet. If it was in the rules of the club that an employee working for a club should not place a bet against the club, then that employee went wrong and deserves to be fired.

However, if it was not in their rules, I don't see it as any problem because he is only gambling and a gambler has the right to bet on whichever club he thinks is cool to put his money on. I always bet against my club if they are the underdog.

I don't think that anybody will want to bet to loose, and when you think that your favorite team don't stand a chance in a game with a team that you think is better, then you go ahead and bet against your team. This doesn't mean that you don't love your team or you're not going to continue to support them but when it comes to placing your money, you don't let your emotions to cloud your judgement.

If you're an employee of a club, I don't think that will compel you to support every match that they play, except you're in the executive that buys players. Although it wouldn't be proper to anounce this to people, you can just discreetly place your bets without raising any dust, when you're betting against a team that you work for. But if there's a rule that employees should not bet against the club, then employees should respect the terms and conditions of the club.

why wouldn't I make a bet against the club I'm supporting if I know that they are playing against a team that is stronger than them? We have to know that even if we make the bet or not it doesn't even play any role in determining if the match will go inline with your bet or against it. And I doubt that there is a sort of agreement that's signed between the organisation that employed you  and yourself regarding that they've bought you totally and that you shouldn't make a personal decision on your own. Maybe it could be that you could be made to sign an agreement that if you're ever placing a bet against your club, and that's for the case where you're a staff in a club that it must not go public.

During the last female workd cup, I've seen lots of my country people placing a bet against a country in a match that we played against a team that's stronger than us and that's just normal. In that context, you might talk about not being patriotic enough but the reality is that it's not just a patriotism stuff but you're gambling based on your analysis and not just mere sentiment or emotions.

Everyone should realize that it was not the club that suspended him but a regulatory body. It is against the rules for someone in a significant position in a football club to gamble as you can influence the outcome of the matches directly or indirectly. He for example could sabotage Swansea causing them to lose when he bet on them to, this creates a direct conflict of interest.

The club allegedly supported him during the trial and continue to do so, according to the reports^[1]

[1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swansea-employee-banned-from-football-for-betting/ar-BB1no7XA

- Jay -

If it means winning, why not? Sports betting should have one goal which is to win, and sometimes the best way to win is to beat against what you like as most of the time you can be wrong. Nothing personal, I mean if you are betting and like to succeed, it should be your mind that will be followed not your emotion. Do you know the reason why sportsbook keeps raking money from most of the bettors, that's because most of us bet with our favorite team, and that's where the oddsmaker will come and make a line that is overvalued on the favorite team.

If we are an employee at the club especially if there is a rule then I will not do that work is more important than betting which is only occasional or maybe the club addresses this with discipline on employees for betting on other teams.

If I were not an employee of the club then I would freely bet on any match, sometimes I like to bet against the favorite team because what I am looking for is profit and for me there is no favorite club.

I don't know the rules clearly as to why this is happening do you have any articles we can read that would like to see this news appear.

That's the wrong idea. People should not mind other's pick when it comes to gambling because that ain't their money which is at risk. Who cares if you are a fan or not, the purpose of gambling is to make more money, and being emotional about it is where it actually goes wrong. I'd prefer an ease of mind that I won't lose my bet than being stressed out while watching the game and witnessing your favorite team losing.
I don't need to switch countries too just so I can go against them. It's gambling. Yes, they will have my full support when it comes to cheering for my country team but I won't go as far as betting for them when it's too obvious that they are super underdogs for a reason. That's a waste of money and no one will care once you get broke, as if they will give back what you lost. I doubt that.

This is a funny one. I think the club we tag the staff that than made bets against them and not being loyal or one of those corporate jargons. I can't blame him I would probably do the same thing if my organization is not up and doing. Nothing sentimental about it just logic and reasoning. If this is not in any way against the rules of the club as written in any company document, then they employee has the right to sue the club for victimization. And he'll win unless there's more to it which the public is not privy to.

It's just a matter of ethics, it's like this, if you have a business and one of your employees hopes that your business will lose to competitors, do you still want to employ unethical employees like this? it's like that. Because he is a worker at the club, he lives off the salary he gets from the club, and it has become the main thing for him to support the club, even when he is sure that the club will lose, because that has become an ethic in their work. It was different if he was an ordinary person, no one would mind which club he would bet on, even if it was his own city club. However, he is an employee and it is his obligation to support the club - if he wants extra cash then he can bet against the club, but the risk is predictable that he will lose his job.

In case that if I am the employee of certain club then I will not bet against on my team its because its like betrayal for the team we are working on. Its unfortunate that guy has been terminated to his job but that's what can we expect since its not good to retain someone who's not going to support you since there are tendency that guy will became an insider for other team and he leak something important information that can make the team lost to their opponent.

If I'm not working on the club and just supporting the team then maybe I will do it. But if working on their side then this is different story since we need to became loyal to the club we are working since they are paying us to do certain jobs and not to became an observer then bet opposing team.

First of all, I don't really support any club by default and secondly if I were supporter of a club and the club kept losing time after time then I would surely bet in favor of a better club. In gambling world, supporting a club isn't a wise move and if someone does that then that person will be responsible for his/her losses if the club is a weak one.

If I had to support a club then I would choose the toughest club that's available and I would place bet in favor of that club as long as it shows courage to beat the other clubs. But, if the same club and its players get unmotivated and indulge in the activities that would make other clubs lead them then surely I would consider betting in favor of another club.

Theoretically, one can do anything with one's bets. yeah, according to the will he wants to bet. The choice is subjective, the point is that we can even maneuver to bet on the opposing team and ignore our favorite team. It all depends on the gambler, conditions and situation. In gambling, everything is possible based on my personal understanding. You can even do the opposite when betting during a match, with the situation depending on when you are also watching your favorite club's match live

I am a football lover, several clubs are my favorites in several big leagues. when my favorite team is about to play a match, especially against a team that is more competitive and tough. there are many options that I can choose from the available bets, which means that we don't have to choose one of the competing clubs if we are not sure about our favorite. in fact, I always do so if the odds provided are not ideal. for example, my favorite team against a mediocre team.  because the odds are very low, I am looking for other options that I can choose as a bet. and for experienced bettors, it is possible to choose a club from their favorite opposing team. It all depends on the results of research and analysis, as well as the condition and performance of the team.
Personally, I don't do it for our favorite team. I can bet on other options, as I said. or, don't bet at all and just watch it to see how it performs. speaking of someone told in this thread, it would be a shame if it were true. I mean, someone lost their job. But, I'm not in the realm of passing judgment or making assumptions. because, there are many factors. It's possible that the club has rules that we don't know about for all those involved in it, including their employees.

Though, I would like to point out something: it is different betting against a club you believe is going to lose on an incoming match as an expectator. On the other hand, there is completely different thing to bet against a club you work on (And you making it public). Because there is a conflict on interest in that situation: you would want your team to lose because of the stake you have got on the opposing team, but also, since you work in the team you are betting against, it could tell a lot about your role and performance on helping that team to improve and win matches.
If there is no conflict of interests, and one is an expectator and a football game trying to pocket some money off the matches, then I would not see anything wrong on betting against a team one truly likes. It would be situational though. We sometimes forget betting id about making money, not burning money because of the fervor one feels for a team in particular.

If I worked for a football club and I thought they would lose in the next match, I would not directly bet against them, perhaps indirectly by telling some family member, as a tip. But, I would not put my job at stake. :P

Supporting a club has no monetary value, just for fun and entertainment, although some people get their emotions involved. It is natural to want your club to win, the reason many people do not bet against their club but if we want to act like professional gamblers, sometimes we can bet against our clubs if that is the most feasible option. If this is a great deal, the best is to avoid the club you support after all there are many other matches to bet. We don't have to place bet that will deny us the peace we need, so avoiding the club we support should be the best option.

That guy was only fined £1,500 and banned for 12 months by the regulatory body for getting caught despite appealing he would still be suspended, but the club backed him after reading the above news.

This is similar to the case of Tonali who was suspended for several months due to betting so it is clear that when they are employees/staff of the club they should not bet because it will affect the game that can be regulated, so the independent commission made the ban.

Imagine him betting for 5 years and making £92,000 with a 10% loss according to the article.

Maybe you should include a link to the tweet so it's clearer what really happened, was he fired for betting on the club he was working for losing, or was he fired for violating some other rule. As far as I know there is a rule that players can't bet on their club so there could be a rule for club employees, and since he is an employee of the club it does look bad that he expects bad things to happen to the place where he makes money, it's like you betting that the company you work for will go bankrupt in the near future.
But only for a fan then it should not be a problem because even though as a fan certainly expects to get money especially the odds are very attractive and realize that our favorite club is impossible to win, but a heavy fans is unlikely to do that.

Yeah, this kind of thread has been posted before. I feel bad for that employee who gambled against his team and the company that he works for.

IMHO, if you're part of the company, it's normal to support them all the way. But if it's about betting, the company doesn't have jurisdiction about it unless you're entirely part of the club that plays on the field.

And if I am a supporter, I typically do bet against the team that I support if I think that there's some handicap that will make them lose and it's normal.

As employee he should know what is ideal for him and he should not bet on their enemy teams since that is morally bad to the club you are working on. Much better for this if we don't bet when we know that out team is facing a strong clubs. Then bet only on other team so that we can possibly avoid any conflict which that employee already experienced. To bad for him for losing his job just for that situation.

And same as you or other people said in this thread that I will also bet on other team if I know the team I'm supporting is on disadvantage side and their superstar or important players is injured. This gonna give us huge chance to earn so I don't think there's something wrong for doing this since this is I think normal since majority of us want to earn.

Why not, I used to do it. Since I am from a little country when my favorite club from here plays in some international competition I place a bet against them, usually combo with some bet on goals. I have some favorites when it comes to big teams from the big leagues, but none of them is so close to my heart that would stop me from betting against them if I believe they will lose.

In the upcoming Euro 2024, my country plays against England in round 1. I think that a smart bet would be on England... if not I will probably try with some overs, since both teams have games with a lot of goals.

Betting to where we find it high probability of winning is certainly everyone’s right, even if it means betting against the club we are supporting. We should not forget that we bet and risk our funds to win and make more money, not to sympathize to the club we are in. If they lose consistently, that’s because they aren’t lucky to win, or the playing team is not good enough that time. But blaming their losses on someone simply because he is betting against them, I think that’s already irrational. If that’s the case, then they shouldn’t be in sports anyway.

Betting is all about choosing the right team that appears to the gambler would be the winner of the game. That's the only way a player would earn money in gambling. Is his club trying to expect some patriotic behavior from their employee even when the team is not performing well enough in the game. I've heard similar story of a player who not only gambled against his club, but worked hard in the pitch to ensure his team lost the game. Which is more bitter to hear. Not sure the player was sanctioned to leave the club. It all requires the understanding of the employer. Some would feel betrayed.

But, it's all a game and the gambler is not to be blamed. Although, every working sector has its routine and rules abiding to it. Maybe the club frowns against such actions. A lot of betrayal instincts could emerge from such news, especially on the thoughts of the club manager. Could he be the reason why the team is losing? Maybe he shares some tactical strategies to their opponents hence earning more money through gambling. Such employees could however, sell sure predictions to buyers on a regular interval. He must have made multiple wins through this. Many more thoughts would run across the mind of his manager, which may have warranted for his expulsion from working with the team.

there is nothing wrong if they bet on the opponent team, unless they have a signed agreement and it states that it is forbidden to take sides or bet on the opponents, but if there is not, I think, the reason to fire him is not valid, imagine? we all want to try things that we know can help us increase our income, sometimes it's tempting to do it but if we think it will cause us to lose a permanent and stable income, maybe it's much better not to do it or make sure that It is not included in the agreement or contract so that we have protection once others complain about us.

Gambling is a lot of fun and gambling is more fun when one wins gambling. Because winning is very big. so when one sees that his supported team is playing a match against a strong team and there is a high probability that they will lose, he can place a bet against his supported team in the hope of winning. I do this too although I don't enjoy sportsbet much so I rarely have a record of betting against the team I support.  But yes I did that some of the time.

Why not it is an opportunity to make a profit if the odds are too high and your club has no chance of winning against its opponent your club will not give you money so think about your chances to make additional money for yourself and your family.

Betting against your club because they do not have a chance to win cannot be called betrayal because you can still support your club if it is the favorite or if it has a chance to win or upset the other team.

On his case, betting on the club is not a real support your money doesn’t help the club to win the match or increase the club profit. The bets made is completely independent no string attached to the club so there’s no point on involving it personally to the club.

Regarding betting against the club, if you knew that your club is weak as fuck then why will you waste money on betting with them while you can earn by capitalizing the fact that you knew that your team is weak. There’s no sense to take a losing bet or else he shouldn’t gamble at all. There’s nothing wrong on what he did since he is not colluding with the players to intentionally lose the game. He is just using his insider info about how weak the team to take advantage on his bet. It’s not betrayal because the bet doesn’t affect the team. He is working with the team and that is the real support.

The fact that you are a fan or supporter of a club doesn't make you look bad when you bet against your club, knowing fully well that they will lose the match. Maybe another person can do it, but I see it as madness to allow myself to lose my bet for supporting my club and not bet against them. Which means I'm going to lose my own money on the bet? Right? And the question I will ask myself is, "What joy have I derived from losing money in the game I was aware would end in my prediction.?" I am not an employee to any sports organization and can do as I please but if am working with any football team and it is an offense to bet against them, then I will not do it.

This situation is different and he deserved to be sack and not because he bet against the company to lose but because in most cases# it's against a company policy to bet with their company. Haven't you see clubs suspended their players for using their own clubs to bets? It's against the sport rule to bet with your own club because your bets might influence your efforts in the field, imagine betting that your team will lose in a match and you are playing in that match, there is high tendency that you might not perform very well in that match.

If you check that employee very well, don't be surprised that his part of the team either as a support crew members or something important to the team, there effort also determines how the club would come out in any match, now imagine if the employee hasn't been doing his work perfectly and still betting that the club would lose their match, no club would take that with any form of leniency.

This should be the case, there is no harm in placing bets outside of work, if there is no prior agreement, it is human for everyone to want to make a profit in everything, including gambling against the club they support, especially since the club they support always loses.

Team sports require loyalty and ethics. You wouldn't bet on the other fighter if you were coaching him, right? That's a serious conflict of interest that disrupts the team. Remember that employees are people with needs and wants. Everyone wants to win; on the field or financially. While we must follow ethical norms, we cannot punish someone for seeking to make a profit, even by betting against the company. Finding balance is key, right? Make sure personal interests don't conflict with work

The main question is:
Why we are making a bet in the first place? of course to make money on which it would really be just that understandable that if you do see up the chance that the team you are working on would lose then
why you would be forcing up yourself on placing your bets on them? Its your money and they dont have the rights on telling you on whom you would really be betting or where you do place your bet on.
Also, you wont really be that tactful about on the bets you are making into the team.It wont really be that just that ethical if you do ask me and it would be better that  you should be betting in silent
and then winning in silence.  ;D

I dont really believe that you would be betting your own money into something that you do know that it does have that less chance of winning. Its part of our betting on having that
analysis on which you would really be needing up to consider on who do have that more winning chance which its common sense on where we would really be putting our
bets on.

We can be fanatical about clubs, players, referees, coaches and so on in the world of sports, especially football, but that doesn't mean that the club we like can be used as a reason to rely on it in gambling or vice versa.

Gambling is still gambling, betting is still betting, the opponent's strength in betting must also be taken into consideration, it concerns money, miscalculations and placing bets can result in money being lost, fanaticism is fine, If the opposing club and players are better than our favorite club and it's hard to lose, why keep the club, instead place a bet against our favorite club, that's a professional and normal thing in the world of gambling.

It's clear that donkeys are inferior to horses, why should you stick to donkeys, opponents, except: donkeys vs. Goats, that's another story, gambling is cruel, so think wisely before betting.

There are times I really do especially if the disadvantage perhaps the star players on my favoured team won't be able to play for that game, nothing's personal actually. If you're a fan then you could still be one even if you bet on the opposing team simply because that's another concern whether you are losing your bet or not  Well I do understand that some would still be pushing their biased team regardless of what disadvantage there is simply because it is them being a fan and them showing their passion.

There's a friend of mine as well who will not be betting on his team if the opponent team is at an advantage and it is for me both being a fan and being someone practical and logical. You could really do anything; you could be a straight up fan or a simple gambler who would be in favour of which team is most likely to generate profit.

I personally do it a lot especially when it's vividly clear that my club can't win the game. Infact why it is called gamble? Well I suppose its all about prediction and speculation and when it has to do with your money I believe you can make an exception and forget about the act of been stick that it's your club and you shouldn't bet against them well let me make this even clear, I have a reason to believe that even a club owner sometimes bet against his club when he speculates they will lose in angle to be checked.

I will bet on my club over and over again if I know that the club playing with them is better than them, because it is an advantage for you to win when your club is playing, and who knows if you might not be able to win any game till whenever your clubs is playing. We are humans and it is a norm for that to happen, since profit is involved. Sometimes, it might be that the person in question does not have a club that he is supporting, because I have seen a gambler that is only after betting for any club that he feels will win the match. One should have the freedom to enjoy his gambling activities by betting on his choice.

Basically almost everyone who bets wants to make money, not lose, so it is very natural to choose which side makes us sure we will win, but sometimes we need to know that we cannot place bets on everything, for example like the employee you mentioned that and it is natural that he was fired from his job because when he has done that in my opinion it is the same as embarrassing his club in public so that when the club's supporters see this action they will think that the club they love is not worthy of their support.

Of course, for me the question is silly. If I saw a good opportunity, that for my knowledge I believed that the odds I was given are profitable in the long term if my club loses, of course I would bet, but it is not that I have a great emotional attachment, which I guess is what can happen to anyone who raises the dilemma.

When placing sports bets, we leave feelings aside, even when we are placing bets for fun. This is because when we are facing a football game, we start to analyze the two teams, we look at all the available data and according to the available data, it clearly shows that the team we support will lose, so we should not challenge this logic of analysis that we made of the two teams to bet on the team we support even though we see that the team we support will lose the game, that doesn't make any sense

For example, a person likes Dortmund, so Dortmund will play against Real Madrid. This person analyzes the two teams and sees that the difference in quality between these two teams is very large, the bookmakers are giving an advantage to Real Madrid, also when you look at the performance history of both teams in this competition and you realize Real Madrid has done much better and has a coach who knows this competition very well, so it doesn't make sense for this Dortmund fan to bet on Dortmund's victory, in the case of this op story, it also doesn't make sense for them to fire the guy, because I highly doubt that his employment contract prohibited him from being free to bet on whoever he wanted

I don't see any form of betrayal in this story because even fans sometimes gets to bet against the team they support, but then if it were possible he would have just avoided betting in that game, the truth is, the casinos is never going to consider the fact that you were trying to stay loyal to your team and so you bet against them and if they lose they refund u, they will definitely take your money and you will be loosing on two sides, so if you know they will lose , in order not to loose your funds to the casino aswell, it will be better your bet against them and make that extra cash.

The casinos do not know loyalist of any team so what ever bet you place, they are going to take judgment based on that which was the outcome of the game in the end, except you are gambling for final nd using it as a way of showing loyalty then you can go ahead and place a bet in support of your team even when you know how much they cannot be able to win.

Yes, I would bet against the club I support or am a fan of. The thing is, it's not bad to be loyal to the club or team you want; that's normal, but when it comes to betting, you should be rational and think straight. If you know your club or the club you are supporting has a big chance of losing, will you still bet on it? If yes, then what's the point of betting? You are just wasting your money and time. In short, a gambler should be rational in their thinking; they should pick the club that has the higher chance of winning. If you know your club that you support doesn't do well, then it's okay to bet on the opposing team because the gambler will want to bet even though they know or are sure they will lose. Learn to become rational and know what to prioritise.

We have our preferences and choices but I have no problem betting against my favorite provided that my team has no way to win the game their chances are very slim and there is a taker of my bet, I've done this many times in the past, you will feel guilty on the first settings but the succeeding bet you will be ok.

Hey, that's extra money you have been losing a lot give yourself a break even at the expense of the team you are supporting, the team that you support doesn't care if you win or lose and if your favorite is up against a team that they have a chance to beat even if it is slim then you can go all out.

It should be due to some kind of terms that restricts anyone involved with the club from support any club in any form which might include betting as well but as individual's point of view the term might seems to be absurd but on a professional level this is the right thing. Anyhow as an individual I bet against my favourite franchise because at the end of the day we have to think rationally not emotional. After all, we are staking our own money and no one is giving us free money to bet so it's not a sin to be a fan of one club and bet against the club if the odds are not in favor or just skip that game. ;)

No matter the terms and conditions, I think we can always bet in support or against any club that we want even though it's our favorite club. Even though we have terms or a contract with a particular club, we need to be wise and take every opportunity we see to make money for ourselves. I would always bet against my team if I noticed that they are not doing well and if I bet in support I may not make money, I will have to option than to go for the money then if I eventually win, I could use the money to take care of my follow fans and have a good time. The money need to be made for us for to keep enjoying.

There two kind of bettors when it comes to placing bet on their favorite teams. There are loyal fans who place bets on their favorite teams as a kind of support no matter what. This kind of fans don't care the odds for the teams playing, the bets meant to be price of a ticket they pay to watch their favorite team play on the pitch for their excitement.

There are fans who place bets on the opposed teams, they mean it to stay relieve whatever the result in the end. They trick their own mood to stay happy as they win the bet if their favorite team lose or they will still happy if the bets lose because their favorite teams win. This may be a unique experience, but it's common to happen among sport fans.

No, It's different. Let's compare this situation with an example, imagine you are working at Google company but you are interested in the success of Microsoft then what would be your decision if you were in the authority of Google, just fire the person who is ditching his own company and interested in the competitor and that's how I see this decision whether it made by the club or the board seems fair to me.

As an Individual is not involved with the club directly can chose to bet against or support of their club.

If your focus in betting is earning money, then you should definitely bet against the club you support when odds are against it. But it is different if you bet just for fun, because in that case you'll be tempted to bet for your club even if it's not the favorite. And if after all you win against all odds, reward would be double ;)

To be honest with you, being an employee in a football club requires that you give your all in both support and service, he did very wrong betting against a club that pays him his salary, it's a very bad practice and If I was the management of the club, I would also have sacked him, his betting against the club he is working for simply means he doesn't wish the club to succeed.

Well, the above scenerio is very much different from simply supporting a club though,  and for me, I will gladly bet against the club I support if they are going to be facing a stronger opponent that I am very sure will beat them.
One thing we must understand is that money is the important factor here, the club I support isn't paying me for supporting them, so, I will rather put my money where I know it will yield profit for me, or if I feel too emotional about it, I simply won't bet.

Why not? Although we are fans of a specific football club, basketball club, tennis player, or any others but when it comes to betting then we should put it aside.
Without a doubt, we will always want to see our favorite team/player win the game and if we bet on them then we will be get extra fun.
But betting on players or team that we like because we are fans but and we ignore the odds, it can be said as dumb bettor.

That's right, if they work for a certain company then they have represented the company in all actions outside of work activities. In my opinion, it is impossible for us to go against our own company by placing a losing bet for our team unless you have a grudge with your boss or other work partners.

I would rather not bet on that team than if they found out that me going against the company would have fatal consequences for my job status, they would not hesitate to fire you and that decision is a consequence that you receive in any company.

First of all, he can bet on any online site and against the club he is working for and no one will ever know about this fact that he was favouring other clubs and not his own in his bets. But how come the club he works on came to know about it. He did wrong if he told his colleagues or even his superior that he is betting against the club.

Anyway, if the club is strong enough, they can win and the employee can lose his bet. If the employee wins, it means that the club is weak and there is no point for the employee to bet on that club and lose money. Also when you are working at some place, there is no such terms that you cannot bet against them and this will not harm their business directly or indirectly.

I don’t bet against my team for a number of reasons. Liverpool don’t lose many games so it wouldn’t be a very profitable tactic over a full season.

There could be a scenario I guess, where I would in the future. If we were for example 10 points clear in the PL with 4 games to go, the odds on the chasing team(s) would be long so it could he worth putting a little on them to win the league incase Liverpool choked. I’d win money then to ease my state of depression :D

I will bet against them without regretting it. There is no rule anyway that states that betting against your favorite club is wrong or bad. My money is involved and wether I win or loss, it my own decision and i will bet against them  when i know they are underperforming, if they are in form I will support them. I cannot afford to risk money when I know either I win or loss, players, official and Team Managers will still get paid. So why will I care or jeopardize my bet because I am supporting a team.

Working for a club, a brand or a company doesn't mean I have to eat, support or choose them at all time. Yes while I'm at work I can decide to play along and just support them even though I'm not a fan. But sacking me from my job just because of not being a fan is kind of irrational and unjust. It might be that he just wanted to make some money and had good odds that the club he worked for would loss the match. It's just unjust that he got smacked for little thing like that. For me, I will still support my club or bet against them when I see that they won't be able to win the match it doesn't actually matter who we placed our bets on it called gambling for a reason.

Although for me I don't see anything wrong in what the employee has done. In as much as gambling is concerned, anyone is entitled to dicetion making in which ever club he wishes to play provided there is no law that forbid it. Where it would have been problematic is when the club has set a rule that prohibits employees from gambling against their club and an employee goes contrary to it. Though it is good to support what you represent, wether good or bad. just like we promote campaign here. There is no how someone would be in a gambling campaign and be promoting altcoin campaign. Surely such person may be kicked out of the campaign unknowingly. So in Oder words any company that hires you, have control over you in the aspect of what they hire you for. And you don't have any right to disobey them in their rule provided they are paying you for that. Except you no longer need there services before you can decide to promote other peoples business.

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As a player, in most countries you're forbidden to bet at all. Betting against yourself or your club would look like you're cheating by using insider knowledge to gain advantage, knowing that your team is for instance not cooperating and arguing.
As a manager or a coach, it's pretty much the same. You shouldn't bet because you're closely involved.
Being a fan, I also would prefer not to bet than bet against my club.

If just being a fan or evenea player and you've already figured your teams potential that they'd loose the match of course you can predict against your club but deep to sincere emotions you still wanted your club to win.
It's just that you can't help and you just want to win your bet but if as a club member or staff where betting against my club is against the policy of course I won't oppose my team because my job is most important than the one time time that's possible to get my job lost.

It's possible to bet against the team you're supporting, it's all for fun sake. Most person say "they rather support their bet ticket than support their team when the odds of winning match is against their team" is quite funny though, but the fact that you bet against your team does mean you are not a good fan, after all your team has nothing to offer to you than just entertainment. Those who gamble against their team and eventually wins the bet will get excited for winning their bet and might even pay for viewing ticket to scream their next match live.

This is a personal matter for everyone; personally, if I saw a good odds, I would place a bet against my favorite club. There's nothing wrong with that for me. I didn't betray him, I didn't say anything bad about him and I won't stop being his fan.
Let me give you an example. I support Borrusia Dortmund and have been a fan of this club since childhood. Last Saturday I was even in Dortmund for the Champions League final which Borussia lost. I'm more naturally for Borussia. There was no interesting odds in the bet on this match, but if there was, I would have no problem betting on Real winning.
I think that the situation with this man was that he was an employee of that club and was not setting a good example for other people.

Why not indeed, I have bet against my club many times but mostly as part of a parlay
where the other team has low odds and my team are nust not going to win, I bet on Rugby.

If my team are slight underdogs I wont bet against them though, I wouldnt be able to
watch the match, I would want them to win but for my bet against them I would want to
make money!

Its a tricky question but it really depends on the circumstances.

You said it right, that's truly fun. Whenever there are some games that I'd like to personally see and tune in, if I am just tripping then I'd bet against my favorite team. This isn't odd at all because anyone surely have done it. Maybe some just did it through an accident but those that have done it on a purpose was what they like to do at that time.

Very well. Your team will lose but you will lose money if obviously you know that the odds are favorable against the team and you have read some news that might affect the result of the match. That's why we have to be wise as well and we shouldn't just let our hearts decide in betting. Us, being a fan won't be gone just because we do this. It's a personal matter when we bet and do what you like to do with your money.

There is no significant benefit to remaining loyal to a team that is doing poorly. Just out of bias it might be hard to do but once you’ve made a profit and the money is in your wallet, you will once again feel good and won’t feel any regret.

The only time I can see it being a problem is when it involves national teams. Going against your country, even if they aren’t performing well, would be a line that most people could not cross.

It depends on the situation, if I need money and if based on my analysis the club I'm supporting is a huge underdog with no way to team I can bet against the team or club I'm supporting as a gambler we are looking for an opportunity to make money so why let this slip you, there are will be times that you can show your support to your favorite team.

When I was betting on horse racing I had a list of favorite horses that gave me a lot of winning combinations, but there were times that I bet against them when they were handicapped and they were up against strong horses It was just the way things on sports betting, you can remain loyal and still make money.

It's different if you are a very loyal supporter and you do not need money and just here out of loyalty to the club you're supporting.

I agree, it's better if he doesn't gamble at all and retains the principle that you're working for the team that you should support as well. But a gambler will always be a gambler and he can bet even against his own will.

I think what matters here is giving courtesy to the company and team that feeds you and your family. If there's a clause on his contract that he shouldn't do such, the consequence that he got was probably fair on the team's end.

Apart from that, he might have been aware of it and seen it coming before doing the bet.

If you are happy with the money from your bet, there's no harm in betting even if you don't support the team you support, but if on the contrary you are happy with the team you support and don't like money and prioritize the team you support for self-esteem, there's nothing wrong either. you can do that as you like, everyone has their own goal in gambling, some are for money and some are for fun, but personally I never bet against the team I support, let alone my favorite team, even though I can make money from that bet. .

I'm not too tempted by money, let alone seeing the team I support lose, but we also have to look at what is meant by the team we support, if the team we support is a weak team that is at the bottom of the rankings, I think it is also difficult to support it fully. Moreover, betting in the opposite direction will definitely continue to lose, gamblers always have a choice on how they want to gamble and I'm sure everyone knows what to do when betting on the team they support, usually most of them skip it and look for other matches.

Initially when I started betting I don't bet against the team am supporting which is Manchester United to loss, those time instead of betting against my team to loss I rather bet them to win even when I know it may not be possible but in the game of football nothing is impossible sometimes it will work out for my good sometimes too it will fail and having the club am supporting in my bet slip always make me feel uncomfortable when watching them playing, but now I even bet against them to loss sometimes to win since at the end of the week they will receive there salaries, despite they lost or won. And also knowing they are not in a good form now and it has been working out for me so that when they are been paid after lossing I will also be paid from the bet I won vis versa.

Several years ago I analyzed my club and realized how weak it was, I even had thoughts that I had never seen it weaker and I was right. In general, I placed one bet on him and she won. After that, I looked at future matches and there were good odds that I couldn’t refuse, because the teams were almost equal in strength. In general, I won them all (about 4 bets on 4 games), and was able to make money. Of course, it may not be very ethical to bet against your favorite team, but I am not a hardcore fan and it is very easy for me to bet against a team and I will not feel anything bad. Let those who are involved in fraud or fake matches feel that this is what really should not be done.

Usually people are supporting popular club or club with many old achievement.

This make the club mostly become favorite even though they have terrible performance, but many people keep cheering for them and believe they're strong like they were. If you can bet against club you support, you can take advantage over stupid people who keep supporting their favorite club.

You will make a good amount of money by betting against your favorite club.

I think betting against your own team is often some of the best or most intelligent bets that can be made.  Why?  One typically knows their own team better than any other team, so if you're in a position to bet against your team, knowing that you know them as well as you do, and if you think they're going to lose and you can make money off of it, than why not?

When it comes to sports betting, I always say bet with you head, not your heart. I often have to remind myself of this when betting on Sundays (NFL football) or playing fantasy football.

I remember reading more or less the same topic, where I basically said that gambling for or against your favorite club doesn't necessarily mean supporting or betraying them unless your club explicitly made profits from the bet result. Even if a casino sponsors your club, I doubt our club will get a pie on betting results since that can put them into dicey situations. I'd buy official shirts or mercs if supporting my club financial situation is what I desired. It feels weird seeing how somebody can get so heated up when somebody else bets against their club, maybe because the betting culture is different.

I think he made a very big mistake by going against the rules of their club because as an employee of a team or company I didn't see the reason why you should violate just because of a single bet you lose your job. However I think, one that is not and employee can bet against their club why because you can't say that you are a Manchester united fans and you know that they are going to lose the match instead of you to play against them and collect your money you take because you are Man united fans and lose your bet why you know that they can win the match.

I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.

In as much as I know that what he did was totally wrong, I don't see anything like betrayal in this case. I don't support what he did neither did not condemn his action because his bet has no any impact on the performance of the club. He's just victimized for trying to utilize the opportunity that every gambler will like to seize too. It's the club that betrayed him for invading into his privacy to investigate his bets. Is there any agreement between the employees and the club concerning this? I guess No! He's not a player and can not influence the game but only analyze the team current form and place the bet to make extra money, perhaps he's underpay in the club.

I won't like playing bet against my team but whenever I play bet in favor of them and they lose the game, I do regret it and wish to have played against them in the first place. I mostly avoid including my club in my ticket when they are playing against a strong team that there winning is not guaranteed. My conscious will not allow me to play against my club. It's possible that the employee is not a fan of the club by the way but just a worker and he has the right to play his bet as he wish even as fan.

If your suggestion says that what he did is wrong then it's right to see it as betrayal to the club he works for, left for me I'll only see it as wrong when there are certain rules that goes against his actions if not i don't see anything bad in trying to make an extra cash by betting against his employers, if my employers are constantly performing poorly and I figure I could make extra money if I bet against them, I think I'll seize that opportunity. Also there are chances that he could've lost one of those bets cause I've seen situations where underdogs become the Victors, but in this case they kept losing so it's a plus for him. What if he had bet on them to lose and they won on more occasions would they still query him for losing his bets? no I don't think so. I'm a die hard fan of the team I support, I've never betted against them, I'll rather bet on number of goals or both teams to score or my team to win or draw but in a case where they have a poor season and keep performing poorly on a regular, I think I'll be forced to bet against them in certain matches were they're definitely the underdogs.

LOL. I can see that you love the team you support so much. It wasn't a bad idea to bet against the team that you support. If the team you support is not in good form to win their game, it is not bad to bet on their opponents to win, I have done that so many times against the team that I support because I'm not the manager to build the players, I am just an ordinary fan who loves the club, and I gamble to get more money. Did you say you would rather bet on other clubs than bet against the club you support? Well, that's all for you but I don't think someone who gambles to make some cash will do so. Even some managers have gambled against their team to lose.

Haven't you see where a player betted against them to lose? Let me use Sandro Tonali as an example, the Newcastle player who has been banned from football for ten months with illegal betting charges, so that was not bad to bet against the team that you support when they continuously lose their games. I do not blame any fans who bet against the club they support because we don't know the situation they are in, and gambling is made for fun.

Judging this case from a standard point of view, I must say that this man was just an ordinary employee who saw an opportunity, and wanted to take advantage of it, and nothing more, of which he owes no one an undiluted loyalty, inasmuch as he was exercising his primary duties. Because to me, I thought execution of primary duties would have been the top priority, and not the club an employee gambles on or not. Because I have just 3 questions I will love to ask regarding this matter, such as;
1. How did the club management got to know that he placed a bet against them to lose?
2. What was the outcome of the game? ( Did did he win the bet just as predicted or not..

I can't remember if I have ever bet against Manchester City this season not because they are too good but I just have some confidence in them that they wouldn't lose their match, they did and made me lose some money but I still believe in them. Ideally, it's not a good advice to bet against my club because they hardly lose their matches and some that I'm not sure about, I give them over goals because I know they will score some goals, not a good strategy for me.

But if indeed happen to be Chelsea or like Luiton town that ended in the relegation, I will choose them but the problem is that casino knows when a team is not good and when they does, the odd is always low. Imagine a situation like this where Manchester City was having a match with Luiton town, it's obvious that City are going to trash them and for this reason, bookmakers will lower their odd to almost nothing, so when you pick them to lose, you wouldn't make anything from the selection.

As for the lady, maybe it's in their policy for the employees to never bet against their club and she violated it and they sack her. In some places, gambling with your team or club is not allow, they forbid it and it's very wrong to that with gambling.

Why not. If I  could bet against my friends after drinking together why I would restrict myself from betting against supported club. Gambling is more about money than about support of friendship.

 One day I have staked a wager with a bookmaker against my club, gained clump of money (just my luck ;)) which allowed me to take in their matches in the course of the whole season. I think in this case  both won - me and my club.

I love football and have been watching football since childhood. I have enough knowledge about different clubs. My all time best club in English Premier League is Manchester United I know my club can't do well but still I support this team. Again my favorite team in La-Liga is Real Madrid and I am always proud of this team and my favorite team in German league is Bayern Munich. That is, I follow these three leagues regularly, that's why three teams of these three leagues are my favorite. But for the sake of betting I'm definitely ready to bet against my club. If Manchester United fight against other strong opponents including Manchester United and Manchester City, but I will bet on that strong opponent instead of Manny Manchester United because I have more chances to win there. It's okay to support the team, but I definitely don't want to support the team and bet for that team even though I know they are going to lose.

Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.

Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.

I like your reasoning, being realistic enough and not being a fan so fanatical as to overlook the benefits that can even be gained from the defeat of the team we supported in the first place.

After all, betting is profit-seeking, not just a pleasure and forcing a club that will actually lose, but is still supported.
Compensating for yourself also needs to be done, being a supporter who is too fanatical is also not good, look at reality and take advantage.

but he was an employee there, not an ordinary fan. When he bets against the team he works for, it means he spits at the company he works for, is that kind of action worth tolerating? because even though you know that your club sucks and will definitely lose, you have to be able to put yourself there and think that you are working there and getting a salary from it. Is the reward from the bet better than the salary he will get in the future? just think rationally.

Your right. Most times the team or side we support do not perform well and it is obvious that betting on them who give nothing but consistent loss, so i think that no wise gambler would choose passion over his winnings even if it just for entertainment. The main reason why we gambler is to win or loss and we make sure we choose the right option that would win, if it s against our preferred team of course i would play against them. And if any day i see a probability of them winning i would bet on them.

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal. Will my team give me back my money if they lose? I'd certainly bet against my club (OFI), and I've done it a few times in the past already; it was a guaranteed defeat. Why would I support them with my bet? They were playing against Olympiakos, the team that won Fiorentina in the Conference League, and as you can guess, Olympiakos is a much greater team than OFI, which is a much smaller and local team. 

I remember Olympiakos winning 4–0 in one match and 2–0 in the other. I'd be crazy to put my money on OFI just because it's the team I support.

I didn't see this as an issue here, the question we should have asked does the company club forbid employees from betting on their own club? If No, then the sack is justified because you can't go against the club policy, you offend them and they have the right to do and undo, the person cross the line to be honest and it's very wrong professionally because most of other people wouldn't like to work with her any more.

However, if there is no any rules about it, then the company is wrong for sacking her, they are very wrong and only trying to ease their losses on innocent employee who is just trying to make money. I though gambling is making predictions of an outcome and he was sure that the company is going to lose, what's there to make predictions and win some money, it's nothing to be sacked about unless there is something the company's is not telling the public.

Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't feel comfortable doing so. If the club I support is playing a match, but I'm pretty confident they can't win, I just don't bet at all, because it doesn't seem right to make profit through the defeat of something I like very much or support. I would feel ashamed if I did so, as it really sounds like someone who is able to do this isn't a supporter at all, but a practical person who changes from side to side accordingly to what looks more benefical to him financially on the present time. I'm not in favour of such mindsets.

Moreover, I guess that is what the ones you support would expect from you: to be together even on the hardest times and during the defeats, isn't it? So that is what I think I should go for.

I have this problem in real life for my friends with mostly if this is going to happen they try to avoid because they never love to go against their club with they feel not comfortable even they all know this is surely going to lose, but they mostly drop this idea and never regret about this which is the best part of all.
But as I usually talk on social media with many peoples also never love to go against their clubs, but this is also depended on regions because in few regions they are feeling not bad about this as they are having good amount in win which is useful for them but in European region I have few peoples they never feel good about this and never love to do things like these.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

When someone still gambles with emotion, of course they will gamble with greed and it would be better for us to think of gambling as a place to have fun. As you said, we have to see if we can get the chance to win, of course we have to be able to use the opportunity to win the bet. We play it because it's not certain that we can win on another occasion.

You are right, not choosing a favorite team when betting means that we no longer love that team in gambling, of course we have to be able to win the bets we play and if the opponent the team is facing has a chance of winning, of course we will prefer the team that can win the match so that we can win the bets we play.

In the corporate world it's a betrayal in a way. Because he actually sweats for the club, he works with them, I guess. And that's a mistake on his end to let it get to the management of his club. People always look out for ways to figure out if a member of a firm broke a rule of the organization so that he could get penalized. I personally have observed that most people don't get hysterical about their club. Their aim is to gamble and win. Where this seems like a betrayal is that this person can easily detect if his team is well prepared enough to win or not in a game.

Then he bets against them. I think this would be a bigger issue in the football niche because gambling shouldn't be a one sided activity. Many people who work with football clubs may not always support their club. The thing remains that, if the gambler signed somewhere about this before getting hired that he's not meant to bet against his club, then he already broke a rule and deserves to be penalize. If not, then the club management is only emotional about his actions and sees it as betrayal through an unrealistic thought.

I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.

He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.

To avoid any problem related to that situation much better for people working on some clubs not to bet on the league where their team is participating so that they can avoid getting bad blood for the club they are working since for sure if the management will find out that you are frequently betting on sportsbooks. They might think that you are doing some illegal activities that can cause for their team to lose. Betting is indeed a individual right of people but there's a limitation of that and people need to avoid anything that can give a conflict to his employer.

There are lot of matches to bet but the problem if this is acceptable action to the club they are working? So maybe its good to avoid betting and just go to other leagues since this give him peace and away from stress.

In what corporate world? We're talking about gambling here and sports betting, I can't call it a betrayal. Would you support your team by betting on it on a match that's almost a guaranteed loss? I'll go ahead and say that it's quite unlikely. Sports betting is all about money, and I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.
That's correct, why waste a perfect earning opportunity? Why would I go in the trouble of risking my money when I acknowledge that my team is way more likely to lose. Sports betting shouldn't be connected with emotions, but with who is more likely to win.

Someone can still be emotionally touched and still don't gamble with greed; they can only make reckless decisions about which game they choose due to their state of mind, but that's different from when someone is gambling with greed.
 
Being greedy means chasing big wins and wagering with a large amount of money, which is being triggered by the greed to win big. Your emotions can only lead you to make mistakes in your choice of game and options because you are not in the right mind.

I think those who work at the club are prohibited from placing bets under their work contract. Otherwise, this will arouse the suspicion of the local police, and no one needs unnecessary suspicion. Of course, some cunning people find a friend and can place bets from his account, but this does not mean that no one will know about it, so I would advise employees to never place bets related to their club. There are a lot of options for betting on other teams and you can choose from them. But an ordinary fan who does not miss a single match of his favorite team can place bets constantly. Honestly, I would be interested in statistics on the winnings or losses of such players over a time period of 10 years. Surely among these players there are those who understand very carefully and feel the mood of the team and each player.

I once bet on the opposite team that I supported in eSports before, I acknowledge their strength, and know they are stronger so they have a higher chance of winning.
We are talking about gambling here, not supporting a team, I wouldn't risk my money if I know that it would just lose.

The man is probably sacked from his job on betting against the club the is working with as a point of contact that he could have leaked some secret bargains of the cline probably on a situation of fixed match.

Apparently such employee can not be trusted as the clubs would not be comfortable sharing their official and secret informations with him so, he would become a saboteur to the club and preventing that lead the club to sack him.

It's funny because the last sports bet I made was in favor of my team with odds of 12 or 13 to 1 against and I won, LMAO. But I wouldn't mind betting against if that were the case. We should not mix betting or money matters with sentimental matters in general. I don't usually bet on sports betting though.

That's what you call inside information, and information in betting is vital for a good chance of winning. It's different from fixed game,it would be easier if it was a fixed game but getting information is way better than nothing at all. This would increase your chances of winning, but not guaranteed,  and with this kind of information we can get, we will feel more confident to put bigger bets.

There are times when the Team that one supports or is on a roll and yes, they can lose almost like anyone else, but even so, I think that in my case I have a very Sporting feeling, if I go against my team I think I would feel very bad during the whole game and the game would seem eternal, I don't know, I think I would feel uneasy or something going against my team even if it is bad, how could it be affected if I go against my own team and then if it wins, well the feeling would be worse, I am very sentimental in this thing of protections with respect to my teams, Knowing that they are going to lose I Always keep a hope that I Know that they can achieve it.

He's... an employee. Not a die hard fan lol. If this was included in the contract then yea, he deserves getting sacked since he went back on the agreement but otherwise, I see no reason why he should be fired over it.

Personally I've better against the teams that are my favorite/root for before. I'd consider myself pretty fickle when it comes to choosing teams after all. Not that I don't avidly support them when I do, heck I go all out whenever I need to. But if I feel that they don't deserve my support anymore, I move on, simple as that.

Not only doing it for the good of the club itself but also for himself it is better to avoid betting on the club where he works rather than having to risk losing his job and losing trust because you have worked at that place and we should show a good attitude towards the club that employs us if we bet against it is the same as you betraying and being disloyal to the club where you work so it's normal if you are fired just because you gambled to make a profit, every gambler definitely wants a profit but it depends on how they get it and there are other ways you don't have to betray.

Of course there is always another way, there are many matches from other leagues where it is possible to make a profit depending on our ability to predict the match, if you are lucky you can win and you can make a profit so there is no need to fight your club. Sometimes greed makes someone only think about profits without thinking long about what impact they will receive if they bet against the club where you work and this is also a valuable lesson that loyalty is better than just thinking about greed.

Yes that's right. I think this is just a matter of ethics and maybe there are also club rules that he still has to obey. In fact, he could have bet secretly if he wanted, without anyone knowing that he didn't support the club he worked for, so this dismissal wouldn't have happened. However, that is the risk of working at a club, rules and ethics must be maintained.

I personally will not bet on a team that according to my analysis will lose even though that team is my favorite team. It's true that betting is just for entertainment, but if we already know we won't win, choosing an opponent doesn't matter because losing a bet will also make us disappointed, but sometimes I prefer not to bet if my favorite team is not favored to win. Because there are still many betting options on other matches that we can choose from.

Well, judging from a professional mindset, in his rules of engagement, if there's not such rule as gambling against the club, then its clear oppression. Their ficus on retrenching him should be on the good of his inefficiency to deliver quality service or his actions that destroys the image of the club.

Betting against them is his private life and not his job description. In gambling you do what you must to secure a win, nobody intentionally loses money because he supports a team. I think he was loud about his winnings, else how did the football company find out?, or do casinos now leak their clients data to third parties?.

He is just an employee and not a direct fan of that club which means that he can bet against the club if it doesn't go against his contract agreement with his manager or employer. For example, bribery is against the contract agreement of lectures in my school, if any lecturer is found guilty of receiving bribes from student, their contract will be immediately terminated.

For this man that was sacked because he bet against the club he is working for, it is not his fault that the club don't have the ability to perform well and he was not supposed to be sacked because he gambled base on his choice and not because he wants the club to lose. Let him just search for a new job.

Even though, he is employee in that club, is it written in their constitution that they may bet for the favor of their club, i guess they sacked him for other issues, but they just use this betting to remove him from the club because I have seen many players who bet against their club because they know that their opponent are stronger than their club.

But this is not bribe, if you try to understand the issue very well, this is a something many coaches or players can fall victim to in their clubs, just that they will not spread the information on social media because people will turn the matter to what will end the person Job like what happened to the young guy that bet against their club.
That is what their employers suppose stand for to give the man justice, because he is not the caused of his club poor performance and he look at the game very well through his research, he discovered that there is no way his club can take victory from their opponent which is the reason he predicted against their club to make his money from the prediction.

Well said, I agree with you. The Man is a true definition of Value and un-sentimental Human that stands on the virtue of truth and won't trade it because of emotion. If I was the Man I would do same, and also file a sue against the club, because I have not read book, article or script in Football that says betting against your club, is wrong and punishable. Everyone is entitled to there own decision and deserves to be respected for it,this is slavery in another form.

Well I think i understand that feeling when you employ someone and then the person start looking for other means of survival but this is football and it's entirely a different case, the man who bet for Westham to lose is just looking for money and him betting Westham to loss is not the reason why they were losing those matches, I use to be a United fan but anytime I see that United is going to play a big club while they are not inform I will keep away the fact that I am a United fan and bet what I feel will be possible. Lastly, I don't think they sacked the man because of how many times Westham has lose but rather I think they sacked him out of  jealousy and I think they were biased, let me ask do you think they would have sacked him if he was losing money while betting on Westham to lose off cause they won't go to the extent of sacking him but it would've be a case to discuss.

If there's no prohibition with regards to your contract and working with the club, I think betting against them should not be an issue especially if that team will play against the top teams, but of course better to keep it a secret or else you'll be kick out. I do support a lot of local club teams but there are times i placed a bet against them not because I'm not a supporter anymore but I just don't see them winning agains a better team and that's a fact and if you want to make money better not to get too emotional.

There's no sentiments when you're on the pursuit of funds, you look out for loopholes and maximize them to your advantage and that's how it should be. Its not in your job description to gamble in support of a club you know has a high possibility of losing. Its a loophole and the staff maximized it to his advantage and that's the real act of gambling.

The club got it wrong by dissolving his contract, its oppression if you ask me. Means there's no freedom of thought and decision making on the  part of the staff. If they're so hurt about their bad form, they should do well to improve their performance in whatever way necessary.
Victimizing the staff would not correct the bad form of the club. I think they're venting their anger or frustration on the wrong target.

Well this needs to be questioned if there is no prohibition in the employment contract then I think that he has the right to defend himself because it is not in his employment contract agreement, but indeed if there is even if it is only written implied in his employment contract agreement then he gets the right justice, the team expelled him from his job because he chose to gamble against his own club.

And it's also quite strange why his gamble was known to his manager which caused him to be expelled, is it possible that he did not keep it a secret from his superiors, or maybe he told his friend but betrayed him and told his superiors that he did not have the morals to stand against his own club.

For me personally it is better to keep it a secret and no one knows about his gambling activities especially if I am an employee of the club, I would rather save my career that makes money continuously than lose my job because of betting madness.

I feel bad for the employee that was sacked because I didn’t see anything bad in what the person did, because working with a team doesn’t mean I should always place a bet in support of them, even when it’s obvious that they can’t win. When we are gambling, we should be smart, we shouldn’t just gamble blindly. I am a die hard fan of my club, but in some matches, I don’t place a bet in support of them, if I know they won’t be winning the match, I will rather place a bet on the opponent to win instead of wasting money on my club.
 
Seriously, I will say what the team which employed him did was totally wrong, the employee was just trying to make more money for himself, and the person placed the bet based on his analysis. I hope we know the employee might be wrong and will still be losing the bet.

You are completely correct and I support you as well, I can't risk my money to bet for my club I'm not sure if they will or not even if I'm working for them, since I'm not God and I can't actually predict if they will or not.

Sometimes in life, it's good to compromise for us to get what we want even though it's a about luck but I can't rely on them because anything can happen and I don't want to feel regret or bad concerning the action I took.

Betting against a club you are fan of and betting against a club you work for is two completely different things. You can be working for someone and still not be a fan for that team it just requires your job and you are not supposed to bet for that team to win even if you were sure they are going to lose, I consider betting and gambling to be a personal thing and not something you can mix with professional life.

Betting against a team you support and are a fan of is completely normal in my opinion,  if you noticed that the performance of your club is decreasing and noticed that they are playing against a very strong team then your guts would technically tell you that they are going to lose that one and it is going to be based on your deep knowledge of that team,  you could earn some money out of it and it is not a bad thing.
Some people make take being a fan into a Stan level and would never accept to bet against their team as they consider it as a betrayal. People need to make a difference between things like that.

Definitely i would bet against the team I support if they are under performing but if it involves a club I am employed to work for, I can't do that because it will look as though you don't have the interest of the club at heart but even if I was to bet against such a team i will prefer to do it secretly without anyone noticing because i see no reason why I should bet in favour of a team i support or a team i work for even when there are possibilities of them losing a game against a stronger opposition so continuous betting on a team you support whether they win or not will only show that you are a true fan but it can't change the fact that you are losing money while supporting your favourite team like what joy can one derive if he loses his money on a team he supports and yet the team end up losing again isn't that gonna be a double heartbreak?

Before,I used to feel so emotional when betting, especially when my team is playing and maybe they aren't really doing well,and I am betting,I used to find it difficult to bet against my team,but after doing that a couple of times,I realized this club of a thing is not going to put food on my table,and even when I see teams that can beat Arsenal,I will still predict Arsenal to win,when I know quite well that my team won't win.Thank God I have stopped,I have stopped betting on my team,if I see that the team playing against my team is capable of winning,I will give those people straight win against my team.Food first,before club.

I am not a club employee so if I'll bet against any club that's okay and that won't be against my principle.

That is one of the reasons why someone is going to bet against the club that they like. If it's going to involve your money, you either be an avid supporter and even your bets will be with them.

But if not, you're just going to bet against them when there are handicaps that you've seen on the news and that particular favorite club can't do that much for that specific match.

It's a good thing for one to be passionate about his love for whichever club he chooses to support because that makes football more interesting to such persons but when it comes to gambling, there are things we shouldn't allow to affect our decisions and one of those things our love for our clubs of choice. I used to be emotional when I'm gambling in any game my darling club is playing because I'm always wanting them to win but there came a time when my club started to underperform while I was still seriously betting on them to win, a decision that made me lose a lot of money until one day, I decided to gamble without emotions. The decision not to gamble without emotions is one of my best decisions in gambling because it helped me to see beyond my passion for my club and analyze the game as I should do which at the end, I win my games.

Work is work and gambling is a choice, everyone is free to choose what they want, one of which may be choosing a club that will play against the club where you work, it doesn't matter because the decision they take will not affect the situation, or meaning the defeat they experience. by that team not because he bet on another team. Moreover, I don't think there are any rules about people who are only allowed to support the club where they work when they want to place a bet, meaning that betting is something else outside of the world of work and everyone is free to choose whatever they think is good or what they want. .

I'm sure that one of the reasons why he bet against the club he works for is because he saw that the opposing team was much stronger than the team he worked for, but yes, if I imagine how the situation is there, he will definitely be in the corner of most of his colleagues. others who were there, and honestly I didn't think that just because of different choices this person would be claimed as a traitor, even though it was clear he was only working and earning money to support himself or his family.

Well, if you ask someone like me, I will definitely say yes to you. I can go against my team when betting when I'm sure they will not succeed in the game. While I see my team as the best in almost all the games that they play and in the league at large, I also believe that some games cannot be won by them because of the caliber of people that they are playing with at that material game. For instance, if I support a club like Dortmund and they were to meet in a match with Real Madrid, while I may support them in reality to win, I will bet Real Madrid to win against them because of the chances available to me since my judgement will be solely based on their track records in the past and their current performance status.

This is why, I believe gambling might be a source of fun and happiness to a great number of people, but ultimately, gambling is meant to be profitable for anyone who's engaging in it and not otherwise. Therefore, my bet will go for Real Madrid to win, while Dortmund will lose.

I don't think what the man did was wrong, he was trying to do right thing even if he works for the club. When playing a bet one don't need to be sentimental , it is important for one to be real because if one choose to be sentimental and not be in support of the team that has the the strength to win it means money will be lose in gambling for nothing.  The reason why we play games is to win but when we choose not to support a team that is capable to win it means we have no value for our money.

The man did the right thing by going for the team that can make him to win the bet, if at all we want to support favourite team that is not fit to win then it should not be in gambling.

Yes, of course, and one of the reasons why I don't think that what that person did was wrong is because he did not harm the place where he worked. This means that the action taken by the company where he worked by firing him was an action taken without a reasonable reason. The simple thing that we must understand in this matter is that work is work and gambling is freedom, in the sense that a gambler is free to choose, especially if he gambles with his personal money and not using the company's money where he works.

Another thing as you said that it makes sense to do or support the team that has a higher chance of winning, because after all that is what the majority of gamblers do in any sports betting, because after all it does not make sense to gamble by supporting a team that is weaker in terms of statistics and abilities, meaning that gambling by choosing a team that has a greater potential possibility of losing is just a waste of money, unless luck comes at the right time.

It would really be that unlikely that you would really be making up some blind bets just because you are really that trying out to support your club. This is why even if you are working
or part of a club but making a bet which you would really be sticking into it then you arent that going for win anymore but rather you are really indeed doing such support on which we know that not
something that will really be considered because we do make up bets to make money and not really just that showing up some support not unless if you are a die hard fan then you wont really be
caring at all but majority of bettors would really be aiming to win up a bet.Therefore they would really be sticking into those things which they do know that has that good winning rate or
odds.

It'll be hard to say for sure if I'd be able to do such to my club. I don't think it's something one could imagine when he's not putting on the shoes of the man in the story. Ordinarily without being hysteric I'd do that if my club guarantees to lose the game. I mean who would know he'd lose a game against a worthy opponent and still not bet against his club. Working with the club is quite very different from being a fan. Lots of fans can do it, but employees trust their club and wouldn't think of losing any game. It's more like going into a competition and purposely lose because you staked against yourself. It sounds weird to be sincere.

you bet to make a profit not to support your favorite team.
It's happened to me on multiple occasions and I have no remorse.
for example last time in Roland Garros I place bets against Sinner. It is absolutely normal in certain phases of tournaments or individual sets...

If I'm working for the team I support normally then I wouldn't dare betting against it. It wouldn't be ethical honestly. I believe in this example they did the right thing by sacking him according to the way I think.

However if I'm not in such condition then it doesn't matter for me to bet on or against my team. I'd just look for having fun by betting on what I feel for that game. I wouldn't be in a situation like I'm betraying my team in this case.  :)

Let's say I bet against my team and it won. I'd be sad for my team about the loss of course but I'd still enjoy the profit.  ;D  Let's say they won under the same conditions then I'd be happy with their win even though my bet lost.

It is against the ethics of most clubs for players or employees bet against their clubs or employers. This is because they can manipulate these games to favor themselves. Many players have been sanctioned by clubs and sports bodies because they engaged in match-fixing or betting against their clubs.


Sports fans can be emotional sometimes and it is normal as humans to show loyalty. For as a football bettor will not bet on a team that is not doing well. Gambling is for both fun and profits so it is better to balance out intentions. Betting on my club brings much fun especially if they will but it would be wrong to bet on a team that is not sound because of loyalty or love, this could be a waste of money.

Even if I am a supporter of the club when I know that they would lose I will bet on the opposition club and win my bet. Remember here we are talking about gambling to win and not to lose so we have to remove sentiment of supporting a club or not. As you can see I am a strong believer of Super Eagles in Nigeria and whenever they play match I must leave whatever thing I am doing to watch that match yet, I strongly believed that their last game with Benin Republic, they would not win the game so before the game started I supported Benin Republic and bet on them and I won the bet. And I was very much happy because I won the bet. If the club he is supporting wins, the club will not feed him or send money to him so allow him to bet whomever he likes to bet on. Shop manager that sack him doesn't understand anything about gambling. Gambling is like politics, the father would support the opposition party while the mother or the son would support the winning part and that doesn't mean that the father would pursued the mother or the son. Gambling is for side hustling. The manager lack gambling experience.

Your write-up only defines how deep gambling have impacted negatively to the genuineness of most games like football. Hearing multiple cases of footballers who engage into fixed games derails the fun of football. Indeed it's meant to be a sanctionable rule. They actually make huge amount of money sabotaging their team. It should be a felony. Affecting an entire team and endangering their league success is quite unbearable coming from a well paid employee. A single player can easily impact the game and cause losses to his team. Have been wondering how this employee who doesn't play in the pitch could attribute to his team losing a game.

Exactly, the point is about profit making and not to throw your fund at the casino because there will be no compensations from the casino if you turn out to loose all of you funds trying to support your team when you know too well that at that point in time, they are playing against a very tough opponent and are not in their best shape enough to get victory over that opponent, any form of fanatic patriotism with your stake at the casino will be a loss and profit to the casino alone and not to the gambler, it will be much better to not even gamble at al than doin such and end up loosing all of your funds in the name of tryin to show support and you may not get compensated at the end of the day from the casino or the team whom you are supporting at the end of the day. All this is included in responsible gambling, not gambling with emotions that arise from the support and love you have got for a team at the expenses of your funds which you have earned by you struggle.

Seriously, you are right, gambling isn’t by force, and if I know it’s going to affect my job, then I will rather not gamble instead of losing my job after gambling, or if I will be placing the bet, then it’s going to be hidden, nobody will know about it. But if I am supporting a team and I know the team won’t be winning, then I will rather gamble in support of the other team, which I know they will be winning. If I place a bet against them, it doesn’t affect them in any way, and that doesn’t mean they will lose, if they put in effort, they will end up winning, and I will be disappointed.

Yes, it depends on the person and maybe you are one of the people who is able to think that far ahead, in the sense that you prefer to pretend to support the team you work for even though there is a big risk of losing or even though for example you already know that the possibility is small for the team you work for. to win, and yes that's not a problem to do and maybe I would suggest it's better to just use a small budget amount when you already know that the chance of winning is very small.

This means that with this idea, you will be in a safe situation, that is, it will not cause problems at work that could result in you being fired and also if in the end you really lose, you will only lose a small amount of money. That's great but I don't think everyone in that situation will be able to think that far ahead to keep themselves safe

It is very necessary for a worker to have a positive attitude towards his job and work place in general. Betting against the organisation you work for sends a negative message about the worker which has prompted his dismissal from the organisation. Anyone who wishes the club he works for well will be optimistic about the success of the club, he will try as much as possible to motivate others. If the worker must bet, it must be done secretly and not openly to prove to everyone that he does not believe in the club. If all the workers bet against the club like the sacked worker, the organisation will record little or no progress. Let those with the negative altitude go so the ones who believe in the club can motivate others.

however, that is the policy of the owner or authorized manager of the club. There may be an employment contract that states that everyone who works for the club must be loyal and support the club. but maybe the club is not specifically related to betting.
You can be betting using someone else's account or asking friends or family to bet. but the person may make a mistake until the bet is known to others in the club.

I am a fan of several clubs and national teams. and everyone is free to choose without any coercion or intimidation from any party. In determining bets, I have to be realistic about the opportunities. but it might be different when there are work ties. it seems like the situation is quite confusing regarding how that could happen.

There are many online casino that allows you to bet from anywhere with your smartphone and nobody will know what you are doing. Your betting history is also kept private unless it is being requested for because it needs to be used in a crime investigation. You can bet anyway you like and nobody will know, if you have to bet against the club that you support for you to make money why would you not do that when you have a feeling that you can make money from the game that they are playing. Do your club consider your feelings before they decide to win or lose a game, you do not have to consider their feeling of the club either when you want to make money from your bets. I have not bet against my club but if I have a feeling that my team could lose the game then I can bet against them to win some money.

I am also a fan of a football club "sorry I don't want to mention the name of the club", every time that club plays against any club, I remain in the position of the club that I like. I don't care about winning or losing with that club, and I don't care about losing money because the club I love lost a match. Maybe the story is almost similar to what I experienced. Of course, as someone who likes to gamble, it's not worth it that way. They must follow every match professionally, not based on their love of a club.

Being a normal supporter, without even working for the team I am supporting, like being a Manchester United fans, I will never bet against my team because I don't always want my team to lose to any team. Talking of working for the team I support, it would be better for me not to gamble than to bet against my team. But the truth is that there are many gamblers who do bet against the team they support. Those who always do something like that, I see them as not true supporters of their teams , or they are addicted to gambling, which is reasoning why they may be acting like that way.

At the moment betting against my club is risky, as my club has a higher win rate than loss and is winning most championships. The club I'm talking about is football, palm trees.

I see no reason not to bet against it too, rooting is one thing, betting is another.

It's the same argument between me opening a long or short on Bitcoin, betting on short doesn't mean I don't support Bitcoin.

If the club wins or loses, I have nothing to gain from him being just a fan, unless I bet for or against the club.

Regarding this employee, did he have a contract with the betting company he worked for not to bet against the team? Couldn't he just as well bet against another crypto-casino platform? Because he can use a username that is not associated with his real identity.

My man, exactly, I think it's insane to NOT bet against your own team.  As I've said in this thread an others, sometimes betting against your own squad(s) can be some of the most intelligent bets you ever make because you likely know your own team better than any other team, so you've got a greater insight to the match, and what may go wrong, or if they just aren't simply good enough to beat their opponent. 

I mostly bet NFL football, and when the Bears suck, which is often, man I'm betting against them ALL the time.

When the opportunity to win is on the opposing team, why don't I decide to place a bet on the opposing team, even though it is quite painful because I have to fight against myself. And here I don't not believe in the team I support, but there is a certain amount of money I am betting on, and for me losing to the team I like is no more painful than losing when betting.

And for me, it's quite ridiculous when we bet on a team whose chances of winning are quite small, because it's the same as throwing away money that we have for free. Even though it's a team we like. and I can do that, because I enjoy the betting more than the match itself.

It's actually the opposite of what others actually think this action is which is taking it as something that's not sane for me I feel those that actually bet because of sentiments should actually be the set of persons to be looked with that sort of insane view because I wouldn't be seeing my team @ Manchester united always misbehaving and losing game and then bet in favor of them just because it's my club although I understand that sometimes out of fun I do that once or twice but the normal thing would be to bet for the team that's statistically okay to win the game.

I made several bets on the sportsbook against the team that I supported and I got rewards for that many times though a few times I made a loss. But the reality is that it hurt me for the site I have supported but made bets against the team which I have supported it i like a self-contradictory.

Well, it's quite fun to support you team even when all odds are against them in winning the game. But those who see gambling as a source of income wouldn't want to loss a bet, and if it means betting against the team they are supporting to make extra funds they'll do that. I prefer not to add my team's match in my betting ticket If all odds are against them in wining that particular game. Though there are times where we believe in our team and still place bet on them to win. Instead of betting against the team I'm supporting I pre to pick other options like, BTS, corner kick over/under, shot on target.... Then talking about players betting against their teams, this is one of the most disrespectful decision a footballer can make while he still plays for the team, and there are certain penalty to such acts.

if I'm betting on my club i.e (if I ever had a club that I'm a fan to), I'd definitely bet against them if the odds were all on them too... But that's a different thing compared to a Coach in a team; you know what you staking against the team as a coach does? It makes the administrators feel like you're not giving in your best cause you wanna milk out them casinos for your own selfish interest... That's total betrayal to the club!

I'm just wondering why people had to say the whole blame wasn't on him.. There are boundaries you don't cross, cause if you do, you'll definitely be seen as a rebel. He lost his job in the team and, that serves him right!

I don't blame the employee, how do they expect him to keep on risking his money on them while the club is incompetent with lesser potential of winning the matches, sacking him in a way was irrelevant since whether him betting on them or not will not guarantee the outcome of the game to be played, so on whose fault did they loose their matches.

During my country semi final on the AFCON, I took the risk on betting on the opposing team due to how my country was pressuring their opponent and this country were given higher odds so I risked little amount of money on them to win, at last my country won and qualified to the final and my decision was made for me not to loose on both ends, either we lose or win am benefiting. Maybe by doing this, I should have been moved to prison, dragging to the point being made it wasn't a justified reason of sacking the employee.

It all depending on the kind of fan that one could be but when it comes to making money, we can still decide to lose a bet just because of our club. There is nothing people can nut do for their club. I have also seen a case when a fan was fight for his club because they are making fun of them. It is good we don't become too emotional about the club that we are supporting because that could bring a big problem to us if we don't know how to control our anger. It is good we prevent anything that is going to make us lose bet if we can only foreseen what could happen in the future.

Betting against the club I support is the easiest thing for me to do and I will do it again. It's your choice to add sentiments to your gambling, but in real gambling, it is certainly not about sentiment, so you dissociate yourself from the love, bias, or affiliation whatsoever so that they will not cloud your judgment. The truth is that when it is "betting," you are actually committing your money to it, do you want to lose your money for sentiment/love's sake? That is the truth. For this, those who are taking betting seriously will never think twice about betting against their clubs when it is obvious that the opponent will win. This is unless you just want to lose deliberately which I do not see much wisdom him.

As for an employee as well, the same thing applies and I do not think it has anything to do with the work over there. I can be judged by my conscience only if I am being paid but not delivering what I was paying for. But so far I bet by using my money, our contract has nothing to do with betting on you or not, it is now my money. Well, in the end, if this guy sues the club for reinstatement or damages, I don't think the club will win because they do not have the solid ground to sack him under the law. It's his money so he can use it the way he wants and he is not responsible for the poor performance of the club which they refused to change for years.

While I don't really have a club that I support or a fan of, I imagine that if I had one, I wouldn't mind betting against them, at the end of the day, as long as I don't have a superfan pointing a loaded gun at my head asking me to bet in favor of the club I support the decision always lies with me, and if that decision leads me to winning money, I'll take that chance, even if it means "betraying" your club. You have to understand that there's little to no chance that the club you support's even aware you exist, or that they'd care if you die unless you get televised as a superfan, by then is it really worth it basing your personality and life choices, even if it's minor ones like betting on clubs as such? It's just a sad way to live and gamble in my opinion.

So yeah, I can be a fan, but I'm not gonna go so far as to leave logic and reason at the door.

Its better not to mix being a fan and finances. Being a fan does not mean that a person must bet only on his favourite club in every game they play. A fan can support his club differently. Imho its better not to bet at all if you feel like your club is going to be destroyed. Better spend money that you suppose to bet on a clubs merchandise instead, and cheer them from the tribune. But if a person feels like he cant live without betting, casinos offer variety of bets. Place a bet on something like number of corner kicks your favourite club is going to make.

Of course, a true fan will not bet against his favorite team, but there are also fans who can make this bet and make money on it, because they see a lot of what is happening in the team, feel what is happening between the players, what teamwork they have, honed by years of playing together and other little things that even a professional may not notice. After all, professionals watch many teams to place a bet, but fans only watch one. Generally speaking, betting against your club shows what is more important for a person, the team or the money.

A few years ago I also had this choice, one of my favorite teams was very weak, and at that moment I desperately needed money, and I had to make one bet, although not a big one, and it won against my club.

Gambling isn’t all about taking the side in which they are close to you, but it’s all about money making and looking for big chances where you can maximize your profits. And for that, even if it means betting on the opposite team, I would still do that. Betting against your club that you supported does not necessarily mean that you are betraying them, but it’s because you just bet on which you think there is high probability of winning. After all, gambling is all about money, so we should stick to it.

When that is related to money, people can against their favorite club and place their bet on the opposite club. No one will know what they will do because they can place a bet secretly and not have to tells to other people about what their choice. Many cases happens between the fan of every club and that will still happens in the future although many of them gets educating from others not to becomes emotional.

When we wants to place a bet for our favorite club, we can do that without telling to other so there will be no problem between us. We can place a bet, enjoy the match, and see the outcomes. That will be better to all people who place their bet because they will not becomes emotional because a simple thing.

Yes and let's look at this from the other side, which I think is obvious that if you are forced to vote for the club you work for for reasons such as not wanting to be called a traitor then if it turns out that in the end your club loses will they compensate you for the money you lost? I think of course not. What this means is that from a common sense and rational point of view as long as you are gambling with your own money then everything is up to you and you are free to choose any team to bet on.

As you said, gambling is after all about the choices of each individual whose decisions affect the fate of the money they bet (although the outcome is quite dependent on luck). This means that the case described by the OP is an unfortunate situation for the person, there is no justice there because after all, all the actions and decisions he made were for him alone regardless of winning or losing. It is very unreasonable to hear a company sacking a worker just because of a choice in betting, because after all he did not harm the club because of gambling using personal funds.

that's right, we have to be able to distinguish between gambling and support for the team. when we play as a gambler, we have to choose which team has the highest chance of winning, even when it has to fight our favorite team, then we have to be able to choose the opposing team. because money is money. we have to be able to think wisely and choose which team benefits us. unless we really don't want to gamble against our favorite team, that's another story, but i personally when i have the opportunity i will take the best that benefits me.

Gambling is a game that one must input his resources before he can be eligible to play and that's why when a gambler is gambling, his emotions aren't expected to be his priority rather his quest to win his bets should the top factor in making any decision. When I started sports gambling, I was losing a lot of money because I was more interested in banking on my beloved Real Madrid to win and that was the era they weren't doing well. Despite my losses, I was still betting on my beloved team to even when the odds doesn't favour them until a day a close friend of mine told me that that isn't how gambling works. He said if I must succeed in gambling, I must learn how to do away with my emotions and chose the the teams I'm more confident with to get me winnings so I accepted what he said and started gambling without emotions and saw a big change in my winnings.
Today, Real Madrid my club is doing exceptionally well and I'll definitely bet on them to win games but whenever I sense that they're not inform again, I'll stop banking on them fir victory.

Not everyone would bet against their club, but some people do not mind. Look at it this way, it can turn out to be a win-win situation for you, if you bet against your club and your club comes out victorious in the game, you very well lose your money, but you are happy that your team won. Then again, if your team loses, you win your bet, and that can help cover the sadness of the defeat, as for me, i can't really remember the last time i bet against my team, if i think they'd lose, i'll avoid adding the game to my bet slip.

For me personally, betting is about personal choice and has nothing to do with one's personal place of work. Because after all, when someone bets then of course they will hope for luck. After all, the person or employee may also only work there even though they are not basically fans of the team. Therefore, it is normal for him to bet on different teams or bet on opposing teams. Unless someone is a member of that team's fans, then it might be very inappropriate for someone to place a bet on the opposing team instead of their favorite team. But for me personally, the case here is about work and not being a fan member, so the case is different, and for me it is very inappropriate to treat it in that way, but hopefully the person gets a new, better job.

In fact, betting against the club you support is quite rational. I will now explain why I think so. I used to think that betting against your favorite team was a betrayal. However, I once watched a video with a blogger who made excellent arguments for betting against your favorite team. And vice versa. It is absolutely wrong to bet on your favorite team. When you bet on your favorite team to win, you most likely will not be objective. You will exaggerate your chances of winning. Conversely, you will downplay the chances of your favorite team losing. It is much better to bet against your favorite team. If you lose, you will have fun. If you win, you get money.

I think there is no need to do anything complicated, when we feel that our team is not in good shape and then against other strong teams too, there is no need to bet for the opponent let alone for our team, there is no compulsion to bet with the team we support, I If given the choice, you would definitely prefer to just watch it and bet on another match so you don't have to feel annoyed when you lose a bet but are happy to see your team win because you bet on your opponent, and vice versa.

The point is how can we bet on something that is impossible for us to win, I once had a moment when the team I supported did not play its key players because many were injured of course it would be difficult to win but in the opposing position they were also a strong team and have never been defeated, it will definitely be an advantage to bet on the opposing team, but that doesn't mean the team we support will also lose because they can also play because they have a lot more playing experience than the opponent, so the solution that is not the most confusing is not to bet on that match but bet on another match.  ;)

Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.

Well, the truth is that I admire that attitude. I can't , just thinking about it Personally, there is something that doesn't let me do something like that. Maybe I see football in a Way that Encompasses many things , feelings, joys, Deep Defeats , Everything. Although, let me tell you Something , at the Moment the teams are so well prepared that they are capable of facing any kind of Eventuality Even an easy Dortmund can beat a Real Madrid that has so much Power in its players and knowing that most of them are Stars But in general terms, I Admire that Determination that everything can be done from Reason , which in the end is the most Intelligent thing.

Sometimes emotion or simply being a fan would really be that making that huge influence on how you would really be making out those bets. It would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to make yourself that be able to distinguish when it comes to those possibilities that your team/club you are loving will really be at great disadvantage.

On the moment that you would really be able to see up those probabilities but still you do end up on betting in line with the team you do like then this do basically shows that you are really that
a die hard fan of it. Yes, there's no one could really be stopping us on doing since its our money that we are really that making use of and if we do have this kind of approach then so be it.

For me then i would definitely be going against if i do see those chances that the opponent would really be having that high chance on winning up the game.
Yes, it would really be that hard in some point specially if you are a fan but since we are talking making profits then it would be always the main priority no matter what.

In fact, there is nothing wrong with whatever decision they will take, even if for example you gamble by deciding against the team you work for for some reason then there is no prohibition, or vice versa, for example you gamble by supporting the club you work for even though you know that the club you are much worse statistically than the opposing team so that doesn't matter either.

There is nothing wrong with these two decisions if you are truly able to accept the consequences of the risks that will occur, because in fact in sports, even if for example you bet against a team that is statistically stronger, it does not mean that you will really win in the end. matches, there are always things that happen unexpectedly, especially in sports betting, you can see some weak teams succeed in beating stronger teams who are in the top 5 of the standings, and this can indeed happen due to various factors, such as the team that are stronger in making mistakes such as fouls that result in one of their players having to be sent off, where it is clear that the game becomes unbalanced because one of the opposing teams loses one player, and this happens in several ongoing leagues. This means that whatever your decision, it is better to prioritize self-acceptance regarding the possibility of defeat rather than having high hopes for victory which cannot be guaranteed.

When we included emotions in our daily loses on our bets we are making also developing a place for lore loss and truth be told that addition is not too far from such person. Even when one is not gambling for fun he's supposed not to include emotions on the games he play even when he lose or win. However betting against the club we support is not a bad thing when you are gambling to make a few cent of profits so one need to protect that potential winning att all cost but he shouldn't stake wager high if he knows he can not afford to lose the amount. And again, even if you are gambling for fun and you know the game you are about to stake on is not going to bring success to you, it will be wise for you to skip it or bet again it.

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Yes exactly. As a matter of facts the team guy support doesn't know you as a fan so any team a bettor know that will bring success to his ticket he should bet on it. But as a gambler we need to follow our instincts because most times our instincts doesn't lie to us but the problem is we fails to understand it.
IMO the real reason for a gambler to support a team is for entertainment and might be that the team plays the way he likes. But if the team performance is no more encouraging as previous seasons the gambler shouldn't be blamed for betting against the team.

Of course, anything can happen in sports matches, and it doesn’t matter whether we bet on or against our favorite team. But the fact is that before betting, we can know many things that are not visible to ordinary players, for example, various little things in the mutual understanding of players and other subtle points. As a fan of one of my favorite teams, I saw this and bet against it, and in the end I managed to win a couple of matches. But I want to say right away that I was not very comfortable with this. I couldn’t watch the match as usual, which I wouldn’t bet on. Because on the one hand I feel joy for my favorite team if they get a point, and on the other hand I am happy that I will win money if they are deprived of a point. This match turns into such a chaotic game of emotions for me that I would rather not bet on it at all in order to get completely bright and sincere emotions from a regular game.

Betting involves money and majority of people place bets in order to win so if you find out that the team you support may not win a match then there's need to bet against them instead of betting in their favour and at the end of the day you lose your bets. I know that being a fan of a club you either work for or support how they play means that you have to stand by them even if they win or lose but it shouldn't be when money is at staked.

Most people do say that they are die hard fans such that they always want the team they support to be favoured all the time, it is not bad to be a core fan but in a case where you know the that the team you support will lose a game it's rather you just discard placing the net or you bet against your team even though you still wish for them to win.

How then do we determine if a team would win a game when we don't mainly know the future? Sport gambling truly works on analysis, some of the times, but that is not enough to make us accept the winning opportunity of a specific team. That's why a hysterical fan wouldn't risk handing out a bet against his team. What if his team ends up winning the game. How would the fan free? He is going to feel both bad and not completely win/for himself. He'll most probably also will have this thought, what if my team wins? If the analysis which may be the reason you said something about know if a team would lose or not, the best sport analyst would be making kill I guess. Yet, they end up fetching slips with errors. It's always better to hold the funds.

Absolutely you should be ready to bet against your own team, only die hard fans will say otherwise.   There are some teams which never seem to have bad luck which justifies the betting bias.  I would suggest only to skip betting sometimes if your team is really the best ever, there will be times you should 'stay your hand' to save a bad loss.  Learning when to temper your enthusiasm is a good lesson imo.

Yes, and I believe no emotions should be involved when someone is making a gambling bet because you can't earn money if you are emotional, and your emotional attachment to a team shouldn't disrupt your gambling because if you are sure that the team you support is up against a team that is stronger than your favourite team and it's a sure bet, you should go for it despite having an emotional attachment with the team.

But as you said, a lot of people can't do that, even if they know that their favourite team is playing against a team that is way stronger than it and their team can't win the game, such people will always lose great opportunities that they could use to earn good profit only if they weren't driven by emotions and had full control of them.

Although there is a tendency always to support your team as a die-hard fan, it is important to remain objective and rational when making betting decisions. It's wise to recognise that there are teams that seem to always have luck, and to factor this bias into your betting decisions.

Sometimes, it's smart to avoid big losses by skipping bets, especially when you think your team is really the best. Important lessons to learn from betting are to be careful and not always bet out of excitement. This shows that you are an adult and that you fully understand the risks of betting.

Come on, there are many sports, there are so many leagues and there are a lot matches, you don't have to bet on match where your club is playing. So, I would refrain to bet against the club I support, I don't feel fun to bet against my club. If I won, I'm not happy to see my club lose, if I lose, I'm happy to see my club win, but what's the point I bet for?

Sometime betting on favorite club isn't a wise thing too because you will evaluate them based on your emotional instead judge objectively.

Both options are valid, in fact I would have no problem if a person that was gambling for fun made a bet against their favorite team too, as they may do so just to bother some of their friends or for some other reason.

However there are some die hard fans that no matter what they will never take a bet against their favorite team and that is respectable too, not that I agree, since even if I have my favorite team on each sport I follow, I have no problem taking a bet against it if I think that is the right move to take.

for a fan to have become a fan in the first place, there has to be a reason.

Let's say the team you support is basically a legend in the sport and has been amazing before now start to encounter some challenges. As a die hard fan, I think it is ok to still be a fan while recognizing where your team is making mistakes and what they should so to fix it.

All you will feel of course is anger and disappointment because you cannot change the results of a game. But you can bet against your team especially if you see it coming true. it is not betrayal, imo. you are still a fan nonetheless.

A fan with an objective eye ;)

Exactly since its like you are betraying them if he bet on the opposite team. Also for sure he will really be in big trouble if the management knows that he bet on the enemy side and for sure it will cost him his job which is really bad reason to get fired.

Much really better to go on other leagues which conflict of interest is not present and for sure no one will bother them there since team owners or handlers is avoiding to have insider on their team and expose all their plans that's why for sure they want their worker to be their solid supporter so there will be no issue will happen. I don't also feel that way that's the reason I don't bet against my favorite them since I feel sad when seeing them lose to.

A fan of a sports club in my opinion there are 2 differences between fanatical fans and club fans but think about profits.
Fanatical club fans will usually do anything so that their club can win and even choose not to bet rather than having to bet against their favorite club, while club fans who also think about profits will definitely be willing to bet against their favorite club for the profit they have to get, no matter if it ends up being lost. criticism as a traitor but all that is freedom.

Actually there are several other options that we can do without having to fight against clubs when we want to bet and we can bet on the total score option or other options that don't have to bet on one of the clubs.

I do this when my favorite club experiences a slight decline in performance and has a much stronger opponent and I never worry that if later criticism comes to me about traitors, I will answer that everyone has their own objective.

There are guys who are so loyal to their team that they almost bleed their colors. They would rather lose all their money than not believe their boys. After that there is the other side, made up of cold-blooded bettors. If their team's performance is off in any way, they're looking for ways to make money

But your angle, man, betting on those total scores and all that, that's some next-level shit. You play the game, but you also play the game inside the game. Although your plan is very clever, it makes you wonder about the morality of betting and fans. Actually, it's kind of serious, right? Either your heart or your cash, your loyalty or your sense of reason

Things are strange in life, man. These decisions and problems are all over it. You think you have free will, but it's possible that you're just acting on some strange personal beliefs. Maybe the real bet we're making is on ourselves. How can we live in this crazy world without going crazy? How can we stay true to ourselves?

I don’t know if I’ve made a comment on this but I just came across this again and also had a reread and I think I’ve heard of something similar to this somewhere about some sort of restrictions on active board members like the players and very active board members from betting on their own games and matches and I think this very initiative is to help prevent match buying and rigging and I also heard there some pishiments associated with this very act and I don’t think this news is strange to my ear.

I don’t think a core fan would bet against their club no matter what the circumstances are and just as op already said, maybe he was just an employee and not really a fan and since the club was making serial losses, he had to seize the opportunity make some extra cash and I’m sorry the employee was the scape goat.

Exactly, you are right on the focus and trend of many fans. Although it is clear that love for a club is difficult to deny, the benefits should still be calculated, one cannot close one's eyes and hope that the club's performance will outperform other competitors while statistics are poor compared to that hope. If we truly love the team and feel that betting against is becoming a detriment to our mood, we can replace it with the aspect of belief and cheering, betting is just a sideline activity to contribute to interesting entertainment, without influence and without coercion, do not increase the severity too high.

Well, I've always been of the opinion that I will gladly bet against my favorite club when and if money calls, but maybe it's kind of easy for me because I am not obsessed with this whole football fan or favorite club thing.

For example, I love Arsenal and for ages, they have always been my favorite when it comes to football, but I can't count how many times I've had to bet against them when I am very sure that they won't be able to beat the opponent they are facing, and at the end of the day, when they eventually lose, I win my money, the players get paid their salary, we are all happy.
But imagine betting for your favorite club multiple times, (even on matches you know they won't win) and they lose multiple times, by the end of the week, they players get paid their salary, meanwhile you have lost your money betting on them, never will I allow myself to be that dumb.

We can root for different teams, and sometimes it happens that these teams can play among themselves, and if we want to place a bet, we will evaluate which of them is stronger now. Or you can just watch a good game without betting if you have some beliefs, that do not allow you to bet against a certain team.

For example, it’s difficult for me to bet against City, or against Real Madrid, but not because I like these teams so much, but because I’m scared to bet against them. But when they play a match between themselves, it is difficult for me to determine the winner, but if I want to place a bet, I will need to choose someone.

Looking at the experience you have described above where you felt something unusual because you bet against your favorite team even though on the other hand you won by placing a bet on the opposing team, maybe I can draw a slight conclusion that in this case it just depends on comfort. a gambler, simply put, if for example you feel uncomfortable with the decision you have taken by being on the opposing side to bet (even though you managed to get a profit in the form of money) then it is better to change your plans in the next session.

This means that there are several choices that you can take, you cannot lie to yourself that you are a true fan of your club, the choice is that you can still bet but by supporting your favorite team even though for example your favorite team is statistically weaker than the opposing team. , meaning there is a big possibility that you will lose money, but that won't be a problem if you only risk small amounts and dedicate yourself to focusing more on entertainment rather than chasing wins. The second option is that you can support your favorite team but not while betting, or that means you only support them without involving any money at stake. I think these two options are the best because they lead to prevention in terms of losing significant amounts of money and psychological turmoil, but there are still other options you can choose, and it seems you have chosen the second point here.

We are free to do that and dont even think that someone would really be having the rights or power for them to control you on whom you would really be making that bet into. You are the ones who had been wary into the conditions in between teams on which it would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to point out on whose at advantage and whose really that on disadvantage. So it would really be something situational but it would really be just that common sense on whom you would really be betting into. Sometimes being that a die hard fan would really be resulting on betting into them despite of the disadvantage.You are the ones who would really be making up some choice and not other people. Betting against on which you do know that has the upperhand would really be just that bringing out
that kind of regret on which you might be ending up on punching up the wall.  :D