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The Federal Trade Commission has filed a civil lawsuit against Butterfly Labs (BFL), an embattled Kansas-based Bitcoin miner manufacturer. The FTC alleges that the company engaged in fraudulent and deceptive practices.

Federal authorities believe that the three named members of the company’s board of directors—Jody Drake (aka Darla Drake), Nasser Ghoseiri, and Sonny Vleisides—spent millions of corporate revenue on all kinds of things, including saunas and guns, while ignoring many customer orders that went unfulfilled or were significantly delayed.

Cgminer 3.12.0 has been uploaded, https://github.com/bitmaintech/cgminer. The latest version will be updated in 2 weeks.

Hi BITMAIN.

As you're an official representative of bitmain, may I ask you to please provide the source code for your modifications to cgminer in the form of the driver for the S3. cgminer is provided under the GPL version 3 license which means you are obliged by law to provide the source code to any modifications you do if you distribute binaries and you are distributing modified cgminer binaries with every S3.

Provision of the source code would allow us to aid the development of your driver and help bring your version to sync up with the latest cgminer to derive the benefits of newer versions along with its many fixes.

KNC togheter with BFL? that's harsh  :P

Late delivery?

No?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8244455#msg8244455

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8234449#msg8234449

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8194146#msg8194146

Seems to me customers are NOT happy. So my opinion is don't buy KnC.

Same with BFL for obvious reasons.

There are only 2 categories here. Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down. Not doing any "comprehensive" assessment here just basing off a simple set of criteria. Has the company in question delivered on time, to spec and if not have they compensated everyone properly or done everything in their power to provide a fair and equitable solution to the consumers who have legitimate complaints.

Remember this is guide is just the starting point. You can scan the list and agree or disagree and do your own research. I am giving you my best appraisal based on the reading of the bitcointalk forums and other sources. It is not a comparison of companies. It is just meant to give you a starting point for new members to source miners. As always... read the https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8194146#msg8194146 Caveat Emptor from Gmaxwell and learn any purchase of mining equipment is a crapshoot at best. Good Luck.

I got my jupiter that was over spec in time, well almost. I asked for a refund on the neptunes which I got fast. So my experience is that they at least are people with some integrity, more then you can say about anybody at BFL.

Now I remember why I got my refund, they used my money on a datorhall. I changed my mind, thumbs down.

I have not used technobit myself, but I have seen that he is very fast on designing new miners. Why thumbs down?

My BA order got into Bulgaria on the 8th of August and since then the delivery looks like it has not been picked up yet.

-No update from Marto on this (multiple messages sent in the past week)
-No processing of my order since I made it on the 5th of August and because of that:
-No reference number to send to Marto for him to look into

There are a number of unresolved issues with some customers as well as scores of customers that were poorly treated and lied to directly and this is well documented in the threads. I can not recommend a company that is unwilling to resolve customer complaints. If those who were burned are made whole then I am more than willing to change my opinion. At this point I don't see how that is going to happen given the stance of the company towards some of their customers. Given what passes as customer service it is not a company I would recommend based on even present threads in the last few weeks with regards to RMA's.

This is not a guide on how fast you come to market. It is a guide on how well you deal with the consumer bottomline and there are clearly persistent issues with this company and their treatment of consumers. I would never personally recommend a company that has outstanding issues with the community.

As an example Avalon would be thumbs down until we are given the whole story of what went down during the chip fiasco last year. You can't rely on a company that has willfully ignored the community asking for accountability. As such you are much better off dealing only with companies that have proven trustworthy. Again my opinion but there is certainly less risk involved dealing with companies on the THUMBS UP side vs. the THUMBS DOWN side.

Bitmain or Rockerbox does very well shipping almost real time with minimal delays / pre-order and at a reasonable price. Why not use them over a company that could be suspect?

My personal choice is Spondoolies and Bitmain. They have both delivered on time, Spondoolies disappointed me a bit with underperforming sp30, but I am sure the compensation will be fair.

Why is btcgarden unreputable?

They have no complaints, hardware ships immediately and performs exactly as advertised.

Checking the threads... adding links soon.

IPO?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264696.msg2922342#msg2922342

Does that not merit concerns for people?
Can you trust them given this sort of past behaviour?

Scanning threads for more.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622439.msg8147577#msg8147577 <-- Delivery 3 - 7 days... on spec only minor issues and they are very responsive and helpful in thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622439.msg8288576#msg8288576 <-- Responsive to customer calls for discounting of pricing.

I am moving them to Thumbs Up and will continue scanning. Thanks for the heads up Jimmothy.

But still let us have a serious discussion about the aborted IPO... doesn't that give you pause?

I'm not sure what concerns the IPO raises. An IPO is much better than crowdfunding via preorders like avalon/bitfury/knc. I invested in the IPO and what happened was someone made phony complaints to the local police after the IPO was successful. IPO was cancelled because of the legal risks and every bitcoin was returned. Nobody was unhappy with how it turned out as far as I could tell.

They funded a generation of asics with their own money (designed/produced their own chips and all) and if they were scammers they would have ran with the few thousand BTC they raised during that IPO instead of returning it all.

Why is btcgarden unreputable?

They have almost no complaints, communication is great, hardware ships immediately, and performs exactly as advertised.

Maybe you should concentrate on wasp rather than proving than no one will ever be happy with any answer anyone comes up with, even one as basic as good or bad.

Maybe you should concentrate on wasp rather than proving than no one will ever be happy with any answer anyone comes up with, even one as basic as good or bad.

Amen.

The Wasp project has become a big joke to me as a result of Bicks' social-justice-warrior efforts here.

*mumbles something about glass-houses*

Refunds are significantly delayed and they have used stall tactics.  You act insulted when people question your ratings, but you choose to ignore these serious problems.  I was supposed to be refunded 3 months ago.  It's really significant actually.  And they use stall tactics.

You are not helping the little guys when you ignore this stuff.  Some of us can't afford to lose that money, and if you rate them as 'fine' they have no real reason to pay us back.  

"1 - refunds significantly delayed or not being processed at all. Includes stall tactics."  is the truth

A little competition never hurt anyone.

KNC togheter with BFL? that's harsh  :P

At first I also thought that this is a tad extreme, but you really have to look how they continued to get worse and worse. They didn't meet their delivery promises, the miners seemed to be used. They tricked customers into new terms and also refused refunds. They used to be a very good manufacturer and a ray of light in this dark area, but it seems they've gone a long way since then!

Hi Bicknellski,

you can add fibonnac.io to the list of unreputable manufacturers... It doesn't look like they will ever deliver, fortunately, I got a refund

Greetings,

deeneendo

The bottomline would you recommend anyone purchasing their units? I think you agree with me no you wouldn't.

What do home miners have to compete with?

http://bitcoinagile.com/81AF6/inside-a-chinese-bitcoin-mine-the-coinsman_stream

Interesting.

Attack the man.

Goes without saying you seem to ignore the point of others offering you advice.

How about you work on your thread and how transparent it is and I will work on mine and as for working on the Wasp there are 54 other people you included that are members of that group. Feel free to step up and do more if you like. As for Xian01... he should go worry about BCP19 and the BFL thread seems he can't leave that mole alone.

Interesting that no one commented on the ratings. Laughable.

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Bicknellski 37: -0 / +27(27)   2014-03-28   0.00000000   Reference   Dogie has consistently provided worthwhile and necessary reviews and his current review of ASIC manufacturing companies is definitely one of the most informative posts currently in custom hardware. This alone should save people MILLIONS in losses if they apply all the information he has posted. (Delete)

As for Xian01... he should go worry about BCP19 and the BFL thread seems he can't leave that mole alone.

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All I see here is someone that can't accept constructive criticisms as evidenced in your thread by a significant number of people.

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Consider putting both lists in the OP in alphabetical order, bud.

I'm fully aware that you may still have your differences with me, for whatever reasons, but still I offer up this kind suggestion. Even if you implement my suggestion, feel free to maintain the sentiment you may still have toward me. I am glad we haven't locked horns lately, hoping this post doesn't rekindle said locking.

Somebody quote me in case I'm on ignore, echoing the suggestion if you believe it has merit.

~Bruno Kucinskas

No point to listening to someone that lost the plot.

Welcome to the ignore list.

Welcome to the ignore list.

You've been on mine since May April ^_^

Yet, you're well aware of his threads and posts.  That's interesting, really.

Chinese mining farms are crazy! It's so incredible... Why is it always that "The Chinese" are doing these things that seem to get totally out of proportion? If it comes to Bitcoin mining it is clear that you need to keep your costs down and it's purely margin hunting. But, wow still...

June 18 - June 29 was BitFury Georgian DC. 20MW deployment in 1.5 months. They've started in mid May.
What we see now is what George Kikvadze calls "Summer Surprise". It's their Icelandic DC.
I believe we can expect a continues cadence of 20 PH/s from BitFury every 2 months.

At first I also thought that this is a tad extreme, but you really have to look how they continued to get worse and worse. They didn't meet their delivery promises, the miners seemed to be used. They tricked customers into new terms and also refused refunds. They used to be a very good manufacturer and a ray of light in this dark area, but it seems they've gone a long way since then!

I have not used technobit myself, but I have seen that he is very fast on designing new miners. Why thumbs down?

It is amazing how fast you could become a hero to zero in bitcoin world.

Only 2 boards shipped till now? 4 Weeks after chip arrival now, at least?
Is there anyone that actually got his X1/X3 shipping fee and extra psu they paid for back from Minersource since you converted to chips?

I know your busy Marto.. But a daily update would not hurt. In fact it would help you. I for one could care less if you say we had a step back as we ran into... blah blah blah. Fact is I am of the few who paid in full no conversion chips, and would like to know the status.

 My 12k venture hit 26k+ and I rely on you. The money I sent alone would pay 3 qualified workers for the next 3 weeks. That is just me...

Hy marto74,

i send you on 05.08. 2 broken mimers back. i send you a message to for my return delivery to you, for 2 broken miners.

The Tracking Code, Shows, that the miners wait till 12.08 in your local post office, why do you not pick them up?????

I LOST MANY TIME OF MINING!

AND when it comes back, i lost the delivery costs to, and have only broken miners from you!

Check your messages!

NOTE: bbxx falsely accuses Beastlymac of a scam and goes on to lie. Trust ratings are there for legitimate claims of fraud or untrustworthy behavior. As such I gave him a negative trust rating for lying about Beastlymac. Check his negative rating  here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=39971), and the scam accusation lies  here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8347058#msg8347058). I will remove this note as soon as the Moderators move the post bbxx made that is off topic to scam accusations or elsewhere as it is way off topic.

Another trader, Joseph Lee, created arbitrage bots that managed his trading for a year, netting him hundreds of thousands of dollars. He has since retired the bots to focus on derivatives exchange BTC.sx. Lee also disagrees with the conclusions of Halaburda and Gandal’s working paper.

“Without a doubt, arbitrage opportunities have existed in [the period of study] and will always exist in the market. They even exist in the current financial market which has trillions of dollars of liquidity,” he said.

SAMPLE: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8357710#msg8357710

He was not ignored for 5 months I did respond to some of the messages sent although I do admit that my communication skills during that period was sub par.

He has withheld his shipping details from day one. Even though he stated. His package would have been delivered months ago had he provided his shipping details "in next days i will provide you shipping address plus i will send you cash for package to poland." As KWH has hinted at it is possible that curiousminer withheld his shipping details in an attempt to bet on the difficulty at the time they would have been delivered if the difficulty was good he would have kept his order if not he would have tried to get a refund. Maybe he was under the impression that getting a refund at a later date was a possibility because he did not read the rules that where stated in the thread that say that no refund could be given after the order had been submitted to the manufacturer.

Why the thumbs down for Avalon? I know they had their past problems but they are currently shipping in hand stock and fast. I got my 290gh module in Sydney, Australia in 6 days. Not bad I reckon.

16:36 Aug.15 2014

Announcement from official Weibo of multiple cryptocurrency exchange Bter.com:

"Someone hacked Bter's NXT central account and stole 50m NXT. We are working with the dev for a plan. We will keep you updated."

The current price of NXT is around 0.2073 Yuan/NXT which means around 1.63million USD was stolen. So far, NXT transaction has been suspended on Bter.com.

I am not in competition with his version.

I am posting this as a guide to people who may not want to spend an inordinate time reading all the reasons why he arrived at a score and then ignore the consumers who have complained about company X or Y. Let me make it brutally clear that this is a biased guide that is CONSUMER CENTRIC not MANUFACTURER CENTRIC unlike his guide.  

Again it is always on the consumer to make the choice. I hope what I provide is the starting point for people to make a better informed decision. I don't know anyone with any time spent in these forums that is going to complain much about this "system" because I am willing to actually listen to people if they have concerns about my ratings and change them. Unlike those that think they have a system without bias or a personal skew. Don't take my word for it. Just go read his thread... plenty of justifiable complaints there.

Shut up Dicknellski.

Why are AsicMiner and AsicMiner Tube separately listed companies?  Surely, the former is the company and the latter is just the latest of their numerous products?   you didnt list any of the other company's products separately so i believe this is a confusing entry.

Your Biostar scam didn't work why are you back on this account?  Why don't you fuck off you useless bag of shit.

Bicknellski, know that your efforts here are appreciated!  Kudos to you on behalf of the mining community!

Marto.. update please.. Over 6 weeks now :(

 Its one thing to be late.. but this is getting out of hand. Its not like your holding 20+th/s a sec or anything. That is just me. No telling how many others were in GB 1. This aint looking good man. I requested you keep us updated, and since then not a peep. I am hitting a wall. I paid on paypal and lord knows I do not want to reverse this charge, but you are going over. Luckily my cc covers me over that date.


 We need a serious update man.. shit looking slim here stateside.

Joshua Zipkin Plays Santa Claus

Joshua tried to ship “naughty” customers their miners without PSUs in order to cut costs. He only stopped once his lawyers told him it could end up relating to a “faulty hardware claim.” He also isn’t sending units with tracking numbers because they’re “too lazy to do that.” He also claims that due to his decision to ship about 70 units without PSUs that the miners got held up in Hong Kong.

[7/30/2014 10:37:33 AM] Joshua: we halted them in Hong Kong because we made like a naughty and nice list of clients right and that’s how we formed the batches. The naughty list didn’t have PSUs.
[7/30/2014 10:37:59 AM] Joshua: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSUs so we bought PSUs and have been installing them in all day in Hong Kong
…
[8/6/2014 2:42:52 PM] Joshua: cause we were going to ship several.. like 70 without PSUs cause [honestly] we don’t have [the] cash
[8/6/2014 2:43:11 PM] Joshua: the lawyers said it [could] relate to a faulty-hardware claim

Hahahah love the name of the guide... although, you need to up your bias factor, you're clearly missing a signature campaign pushing a re-seller of some type. You left out all the ponzi, I mean cloud mining companies though... You'd need to state "legit" every other line though.  The purchasing decision map in your signature is priceless though! Well done dude...  hahahah nice.  ;D

The situation for some of these Thumbs Down companies seems to improve very little and the same things keep happening repeatedly. There is good reason not buy at Technobit or AMT given the recent trend.


http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/amt-ceo-joshua-zipkin-naughty-nice-list/2014/08/25

The worst part about all this is that Josh actually denied these conversations ever happened despite the obvious truth of them. It pissed me off that he has been such a liar. Hence the need to publicly out him. I am glad the bitcoin press has run with this.

I am hoping all these companies get hung out to dry. They are robbing people blind and its imperative we keep the pressure on more than ever to expose them. They send faulty hardware to get a quick buck, all the while finding alternative methods to enrich themselves at our expense. AMT has their so called "cloud" mining operation on their site....for anyone who is interested, its a backroom of a warehouse with a bunch of miners they hand configure to mine with. No instant activation or the kind of features one would expect with a full service like that.

We need more honest companies out there to do the right thing by their customers and to stop using pre-orders.

If anyone has blinders on it's your good sir.  You're working for a company that has horrible customer service and resorts to name calling of it's customer.  Even if everything that is claimed to be immoral and unethical is untrue their very behavior is something that should have been quelled in kindergarten.... and yet you continue your employment with them.  Guess times are tough in KC that you must resort to working for them.

I was on these forms for 6 months before I registered, and unless you had another account before your bcp19 account I'm pretty sure I know more about EMC on the public front that you do.  It's possible that he mined 10K if he had a large farm, but everything he posted back then indicated otherwise.  My assertion was how can a man who was as you claim so in-tune with the mining ecosystem that also melded into blockchain as pure energy claim that it would be "ludicrous" for the difficulty to hit the levels that it has.  Either he was being facetious with customers to sell more BFL ASICs or he is ignorant.  One or the other - can't have it both ways.

So BCP19 are you here to offer conjecture or to tell us something that we don't know.  Sounds like you're reaching... in court they would say "Objection.  Not substantiated. Request to strike from the record."

Minersource is going the way of MtGox and folding under their own weight. Minersource was robbed by a Chinese company named Black Arrow, who promised mining machines to american customers through Minersource on a preorder basis. Americans preordered and Black Arrow under-delivered 5 months past due. In trying to obtain a refund for myself, I was informed that Minersource had sent absolutely every last bit of their money to China in exchange for miners we will likely never receive. Now, myself and a few hundred others are in the process of seeking legal action against Minersource for violating Federal Mail order fraud laws. They can't pay refunds because they sent all the money to China and they're going to have a hard time paying for a defense attorney. As of this week, the financial situation at Minersource has turned absolutely dire, they have run out of money and had to disconnect their phones. Which I'm guessing also means that they had to fire that little sex-kitten the woman that answered the phones for them.

So let this be a lesson to anyone trying to buy hardware from them in the near future. If it's not on-hand and shipping immediately, don't bother, because this company won't be around long enough to fill many more orders.

I have a pre-order from December 2013 that is unfulfilled with no known delivery date.
My refund request has been denied and subsequent contact so far has been ignored.

So, yeah, do not order from Minersource.net  >:(

Bicknellski, at the "end of the day", aren't all the producers of mining equipment at this point just scamming the people that want @home miners????

As someone who worked for BFL long before your tour of Willy Wonka's chocolate factory and whoring yourself out BCP, I actually feel sorry for you. At first I was angry at your obvious shilling and knew you were on the payroll before everyone else did here. I was once in your position to an extent, but on a managerial level. I too thought it was a wonderful place to be and defended BFL everywhere I could, but then one day I woke up and looked in the mirror and realized what I was doing. I took a call from a soldier who was about to retire who wanted to spend all his retirement money on a minirig and as a former soldier, I just couldn't do it. My moral compass, conscience, and empathy for the common man took over and I realized that our customers weren't the greedy one's that we treated with contempt but that they just wanted their products. BFL was the greedy entity. So I left with no backup plan or job in waiting, nothing, because I couldn't do it anymore. I didn't believe anymore, but I didn't leave without a fight to do the right thing, they just didn't want to do it.

I know you feel you are doing the right thing here by defending them, but you're not. No points will ever be made and accepted by anybody here. Your company will still be the bane of the Bitcoin mining world no matter what you say your claims are dubious enough after you've been caught being dishonest here before and making strawmen. Any frontrunning, Apple-inspired design by BFL has been lost on the consumers due to lies, obfuscation and lateness. A website had to be bought to bring down the negative google searches. The Monarch is a late, hideous Frankenstein of a miner that should never have taken that long to build if your company didn't focus so much on aesthetics instead of delivering products to their customers, or investors as I like to call it. I know how all the finances went down there and one day when BFL shutters its doors I will write a book about it and the mining industry as a whole due to my experience with many different companies.

Having said that, there are some good people who work there at BFL who I still maintain friendships with. From what I have gathered from your posts, you are not one of them. But you still have time to change.

In the future, I suggest we ignore BCP's posts as they add nothing to the discussion and only deflect attention away from BFL, which is the point. No arguments will be won, so why try? The facts alone are damning enough without his input.

Be awesome.

Those ship from the US, right?

Happy 7-weeks-since-ordering-paying-Anniversary to all! Anyone ordered/paid before 17th July?

Wow, having a follower here, too bad it is a McCarthy style imbecile like you. I don't like shops/manufacturers making claims they can't hold, I hate fools like you that thrive on that a thousand times more. Now, gfy okay?

Ignored. Very clearly stated in the title of the thread. BIASED & OPINIONATED. Opt to ignore thread and me problem solved. Simple and easy.

Go fix the fact that Marto74 has lied to his customers yet again which is no bloody surprise if you have been following his antics for the past few years here. That is all you need you to worry about. Not about who wants to point it out so that new users don't fall into that trap.

Feel free to keep bumping the thread so more people see it. Works for me just note I won't be "following" your every word. If you think Marto74 cares about you and your order then I guess you should go ahead and order more. Thought not, thus proving the point you can't trust him to deliver on time as promised. You are not the first person to fall victim and unfortunately you won't be the last.

The fact that he uses multiple accounts to pad his own trust rating and post in his own threads to "change" the perception is pretty transparent to most people that follow his threads. You don't just lie and rip people off and think you can get away with it right? Or maybe you think that is ok as long as you get your stuff right? Funny you want to engage me rather than the person lying to your face openly numerous times.

Bottomline here:

Don't buy any hardware or services from Technobit. Just look at the record you don't even have to use your complaints. Here is just one more 'satisfied' customer posting again for service. There are literally 100s of these posts asking for clarification, answers, service support etc. Obviously the community needs to be informed about this considering it continues on and on without end.

There are a number of unresolved issues with some customers as well as scores of customers that were poorly treated and lied to directly and this is well documented in the threads. I can not recommend a company that is unwilling to resolve customer complaints. If those who were burned are made whole then I am more than willing to change my opinion. At this point I don't see how that is going to happen given the stance of the company towards some of their customers. Given what passes as customer service it is not a company I would recommend based on even present threads in the last few weeks with regards to RMA's.

This is not a guide on how fast you come to market. It is a guide on how well you deal with the consumer bottomline and there are clearly persistent issues with this company and their treatment of consumers. I would never personally recommend a company that has outstanding issues with the community especially when you might even have suspicions they use multiple accounts to misrepresent their customer service. There is clearly an inordinate amount of NEW members posting on how great the Technobit service is. It is an anomaly that doesn't go unnoticed by senior members and should give you pause about the reality with that company especially given how many complaints there are right up to today.

As an example Avalon would be thumbs down until we are given the whole story of what went down during the chip fiasco last year. You can't rely on a company that has willfully ignored the community asking for accountability. As such you are much better off dealing only with companies that have proven trustworthy. Again my opinion but there is certainly less risk involved dealing with companies on the THUMBS UP side vs. the THUMBS DOWN side.

Bitmain or Rockminer does very well shipping almost real time with minimal delays / pre-order and at a reasonable price. Why not use them over a company that could be suspect? That to me is why you use this guide. You cut through the crap and get to the point. Who is reliable all the time. The pattern continues... be warned.

I own and operate an SP10 and two SP30s. Totally brilliant units. Spondoolies-Tech gear is top notch "server grade" equipment, and their customer service is the absolute best that I have encountered in the industry.

Just so you know, I've been mining 24x7 for the last 444 days*, and I also own gear from ASICMINER, Bitmain, Bitmine, BFL, and KnCMiner.

Since Spondoolies-Tech started selling miners I haven't found myself purchasing from another vendor. Not saying I won't (I quite like variety), but ever since I got my first SP10 I've been addicted to the build quality, form-factor, efficiency, and customer service.

And yes, they have always shipped on time. They cut it fine with the August Group buy, but I did personally receive my SP30s in the month of August, albeit at the very end of August... but still August. Some other companies (I won't mention who) will keep telling you that they will deliver in Two Weeks™, and deliver 6 months to 1 year late (you think I'm joking... I'm not). Then of course there are the scams that take your money and never deliver a product.

_{* I calculated the date I started mining and by pure chance as I post this it is 444 days since then.}

And again 5 days have gone by and NO RESPONSE from technobit...
How can we solve this issue.... Do you want me to send the miner back or is that useless???

Please respond i'm getting rather fedd up by you and your company...

Little reminder:
2 miners went for rma you send me two back after 2 months. One miner is working the other one is not working.
When i connect it to the power supply it will not start no fan spinning nothing. The other miner on the same power supply is working.

I'm under NDA with various parties, so I can't give concrete information.

In general, to win in 2015 you'll need in descending order of importance:
1) Team or access to team with years of circuit design experience in advance nodes.
2) Access to cheap electricity - sub 0.03 $/KWh or less
3) Cheap production

From what I was able to learn, the Chinese teams (including some publically unknown) has only (3) above.
Some of them are rushing to bleeding edge nodes (TSMC 16 or Samsung/GF 14) but it's not enough.

Bick..
You should rename the tread to Technobit fuck us over again
You are in Action mode again
all this will not change the fact your hardware design efforts are failure
:D

 Marto.. Please go back to page 2 as I was one of the first to request your service and paid you in full conversion (no chip exchange) for 200 chips. I am seeing people with orders WAY after mine posting pics of machines in hand. Something is not right. Now you talk of MS second shipment. I do not get it at all man. Why have you not shipped my order?

Might as well jump in here too.

Marto, through a botched Group Buy scammed me out of 1.43BTC

If you look at the details in his trust you will see many people have lost money to this guy.

In my case, he ran a group buy then 6 months later, decided to cancel it due to avalon not delivering,
and instead of PMing everyone in the group buy he leaves a message in a 6 month old thread telling everyone if they don't send him a message to him by a certain time and date with a special signature that you were out of luck.

In that very same thread month or more earlier I asked for a refund and he did not provide it.

Then when I finally saw his little message he said I was too late and all he was willing to do was ship me chips, which he claimed to do in October of 2013. You know what Avalon Gen 1 chips were worth in Oct 2013? NOTHING!

But even then he said he shipped them, they never arrived and he tried to get ANOTHER 0.10 BTC from me to pay for special shipping.

be an informed buyer, read the threads where he does business you have about a 90% chance, in my opinion of getting screwed in some way, late shipment (usually 3 months), No shipment,  lost shipment.

This is someone you NEVER want to do business with. EVER.

You're a dumb piece of shit and a terrible businesman marto, what say you to that?

Marto - Can you please give us an update on sending the customer list to Minersource for batch 1 customers?  I asked this same question almost 24 hours ago and it went unanswered.  Please let us know where you are at with this list because these delays are really hurting our ROI on these boards.

Hey Gezellig4Geld,

I've given Minersource a deadline and I will be filling a complaint to the FTC and the BBB next week if they don't send a refund. Let us know if you ever got your money back.

Please quit dodging the question, do you have a list for minersource ready or not?

Have you ordered a KnCMiner Titan or Neptune?
Are you fed up with them and are interested in legal action and possibly a class action?

I'm trying to judge whether a class action suit would be a possible. Can you please state what you had ordered and why you would sue them?

Do you know a good lawyer or are a resident in Sweden? It would be helpful to have a contact there.

For example, I ordered a KnCMiner Titan. I am a consumer and would like to get a refund, because their products are unsafe (fire hazard, no CE marking), they have made false representations (Q2/Q3 delivery, 800Watt), and because they act in direct conflict with their customers (Batch 1 vs Batch 2).

My other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781435) collects information on replies from authorities and lawyers. Please contribute if you can!

Spondoolies is the ONLY company remaining that is in sync with the mainline cgminer code and always push upstream any driver changes.

Quote above is from the primary developer of cgminer.

BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass.

I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again.

Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. :(

I understand that there may be a large contingency of people who do not believe what I posted earlier or will not believe it until they see it in the news or a government agency confirms it. But I hold in my hands a 33 page ex parte temporary restraining order filed by the FTC against BFL on 9/18/14 that names three individuals associated with BFL in it, specifically. I am not releasing it at this time for two reasons: 1) the person who gave it to me hasn't given me the permission yet, 2) it says "*Sealed*" on the bottom of the page next to the case number. I believe the fact that it is sealed is the reason government agencies have not commented on it at this point.

I went by BFL for the first time in a year today to see what was going on as well after I heard the news and I didn't see any agents, however I have received confirmation this afternoon from another completely independent source who was scheduled to have a meeting with BFL today before it was abruptly cancelled who went by and ran into agents there. This other source is a reliable and established name in the Bitcointalk forum and they can back up my claim publicly if they wish to, but I am not pushing them. I know what I have seen and heard from my sources and people can believe what they want until it is officially confirmed.

As to what Tech... is posting is all 100% factually true, I cannot be completely sure. I can confirm that Tech... is former BFL, just as I am. Tech..'s initial info from the same sources from whom I received my info, since my source told me that they had also spoken with Tech.... Nobody is pulling your legs here. This shit happened. Now, the US Marshals KC office was denying any connection to this action at least as of 4:30 pm CST, but they may have had reasons to withhold that info temporarily. I'm not too familiar with the US Marshal Service's protocol. Still, they entered the office around 10 am CST, and had employees leave all computers and any other equipment, files, and basically whatever wasn't personal property. They interviewed employees, too. I won't go into the nature of those interviews as reported to me, since I'm sure all of that will be disclosed in the case ahead. There have supposedly been two arrests. I believe there is at least one additional warrant at this, and it will be rather hard to serve.

There's a group of BFL ex-pats who, while employed at BFL, believed that company was doing things in so many wrong ways that it was difficult to keep count. IF you voiced dissent (and god could I tell you stories - I'm somewhat combative, which Tech.. can attest to, if he figures out who I am lol), your days were numbered. Tech... and I were not the best of friends, but got on well, and had at least some level of respect for each other. Tech... isn't the type to jump on and feed the community a bunch of bullshit. Sure, I've seen some ranting  and venting, and maybe even some posts that were written without the backing of solid info, but those are few.

This is no bullshit. BFL is being taken to task.

Well you see, to start because they have not refunded me a dime and I have asked for a refund in June. They did offer me some BTC Garden miners but that was not a viable option for me due to space and power requirements (my X3 order was to be hosted with Minersource).

Then it would be the small matter of BA refusing to honor (according to MS) some of the promotions they have ran in the past that were part of my contract with Minersource. They didn't bother letting me know - maybe because they conveniently forgot or they were just afraid I would have asked for a refund right away since not keeping your promises is a clear indication of a shady company - once they have your money they suddenly forget all the promises/promotions/deadlines, etc.

And third, because they have stopped communicating and therefore how can you expect any amiable resolution with someone that doesn't even want to communicate with you?

You're a dumb piece of shit and a terrible businesman marto, what say you to that?

..... Or spend less time here or making up faux accounts and posts to persuade people to get in line and WAIT for his latest product that will be late. .....

BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass.

I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again.

Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. :(

 This is not cool at all! I was one of the first from batch 1!

I check my status of order at Technobit today. It is already shipped (16.09.2014 16:40 Sofia (BG)). I am from Europe and Batch2.

Order from 20.8.2014, chips delivered 28.8 - so about 3 weeks.

What about this company?
https://www.mining-asics-technologies.com/

They were advertising a lot in the last few months but didn't deliver.

Here's how the incident was described to me, and it was not a raid (if I used that specific word in earlier posts, i must apologize for my negligence, since you're certainly correct, there is a distinction): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788886.40   - it's the second post down on that page.

you're not the only one to mention the fact that their website is still up. one of the earlier posts i read yesterday over in the 'Legal' forum pointed this out, and i even made a mock order last evening before submitting a post, and mention that i did so.

still, with regard to your post, while i admittedly may well be reading affect where there is none, but what i'm reading is that if it was a raid, that is very serious, but if they are simply being investigated by the FTC, that's nearly as big of a deal. is that correct, or close? just trying to understand. if my understanding is correct, while i'd concede that an investigation is not the same as a raid where US Marshals bust in with their weapons drawn, and treat everyone as suspect, i still think it's a big deal when in the morning hours the district court sends someone from a prosecution team to seize property and documents - if only temporarily, send employees home, and do not tell them when or if they are coming back. Furthermore, I've heard that the three people who were served arrest warrants were Sonny V., Jody "Darla" Drake , and Nasser, the CTO. Nasser lives outside the US, and I kind of doubt he'll be extradited. I'm also not sure why he would be implicated, other than he had a different title up until the company did some restructuring starting in the middle of last year. That would be the only reason why I could understand Nasser taking the fall instead of Bruce Bourne (sp?). It's also surprising that Jeff Ownby wasn't implicated. very surprising. It may also be that, given that even the US Marshals office in the KC metro has not confirmed any involvement, that property was seized to look info some of these other players as well, as the case against them wasn't quite strong enough. there are even a few others who i am surprised are not on the hook.

the document that Tech.. has mentioned, and that i've also acknowledged, was only filed yesterday. there is a case number, and even if it wasn't currently "sealed" it would take a few days before the document was publicly available. anyone that has the document and is interested in seeing the investigation play out with the hope that those deserving of punishment get their share shouldn't make it available yet. i don't think any of us who have been relaying information we've received are really all that concerned if you believe us right at this moment. since i can only really speak for myself, i can certainly say that i am not. it's been many months since i worked for that outfit, and i have no dog in this fight. i do think that many of their business practices, both during my time there and after, were/are pretty abhorrent. still, believe me or don't, it doesn't matter. every BFL  employee that was there at the time got the same document that Tech... and i have mentioned. I've seen the first few pages where it mentioned who they wanted to arrest, and why they were closing down BFL for the investigation. either the feds, a former employee, or someone who has obtained the documents  through other means will eventually post them. I don't mean "2 or more months" from not either. within a week, maybe two, the community will get some meat.

and yet still, i'm surprised at all the skepticism by many that this all actually took place, or even that it is some kind of BFL conspiracy. they are facing a similar problem regarding shipping as they did with the 65 nm products. the reason those even made it out by the end of November is because the company was given a stern warning by the FTC. that wasn't the only warning, and not the only time the FTC has looked into the company. all of that info is public, save perhaps for the timeline given to the company to finish shipping those firs-generation ASICs. this shouldn't surprise. every day that BFL isn't shipping, it exacerbates the problems they have with the FTC, as the problem never should have gotten out of hand like this after already having gone through the same fucking experience! my guess will be that instead of roaming the halls of BFL in his same old blue sweatpants that Bruce will be sitting at home in said sweatpants. even f this is only an investigation the outcome will not prove positive for the company.

08-23-2013, 11:22 PM #127
DisabledVet


After reading through the BFL forums the last few days, one thing is most evidently clear to me: people are not satisfied at all. I want a refund and legally I have every right to a refund on an internet purchase. I sent an email to Jody and was denied a refund. I am not at all happy about this as it is unethical and very poor business practice. Any legitimate business would issue a prompt refund and an apology immediately.

I wanted to believe in this company and have been patient for long enough. What's fair is fair. We paid, you haven't delivered, give us our money back.

Bick
Still no answer ???
Can you point at least one our fake account or paid shil ??????
I am asking this a few times already and no answer, why?
Because you can not
We never did this.
The reason you insist on telling this in most of your post is that you are not able to accept there are people that do not share your hate .
Small man

Marto
Still no answer??
Can you point out at least why you ship batch 2 orders of 3 weeks old before 2 month old batch 1 orders?
I've asked this a few times already and no answer, why?

yougot youranswer in the proper tread
and now you folow Bick`s lead and post a few full pages writing what scam I`m
Best Martin

great
You are right
now send Bick a PM.

IF you ask Bick he can provide you with more than 1000 pages .
So go ahead

Wow  :o   Nice "customer service" !!!!!  ::)

Damn, I knew I should've purchased more shares of Alcoa last Thursday.  ::)

Here's some more shit to ponder:


Note the address: 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd

A question was once asked: 4.) Who owns the 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu address? Is that Eclipse? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg7027843#msg7027843)

That address was first used on 2012-04-04 03:09:07 GMT as shown here: https://blockchain.info/tx/be7b4664076706e55b6c81a4790f3f0032a1f7520e8edbbc22ad5ac9eb2a3c00

It's the second transaction I choose to use for illustration purposes: https://blockchain.info/tx/301a6cc7ba014d6cd966c94398203384a23bb29696d13c8f96928cef292ead12 at 2012-04-04 11:54:36 GMT.

It received funds from https://blockchain.info/address/1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd at 2012-04-04 11:54:36 GMT.

In turn, the above received funds from https://blockchain.info/address/1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL at 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT.

And finally, the above received its sole funds from https://blockchain.info/address/1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd also at 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT. (proof below)

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3925/15118621230_2f8e79b983_b.jpg

https://blockchain.info/address/1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd is 100% one of BitPay's bitcoin wallet address, they even coming to the tread verifying such, so that's a given. It has had only 28 transactions to date, currently with a 0 BTC balance.

It's this address https://blockchain.info/address/1MgotZQSJC2zSim2Vp8rjmz3p6frf7EACo that was used to pay for the BitForce SHA256 Single to BFL via BitPay at 2012-04-04 01:49:29 GMT (shown below).

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5556/15118830798_5c8d8f5c15_b.jpg

Pause: There's nothing nefarious about the transaction above. It's only used to show that a miner was purchased from BFL by a Bitcoiner on this forum and that BitPay was used for the transaction. That's all! It's the subsequent transactions that I'll be using to state my case.

So, to recap the transactions thus far:

1MgotZQSJC2zSim2Vp8rjmz3p6frf7EACo ---> 1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd @ 2012-04-04 01:49:29 GMT
1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd ---> 1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL @ 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT
1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL ---> 1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd @ 2012-04-04 03:48:49 GMT
1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd ---> 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu @ 2012-04-04 11:54:36 GMT

Bombo999 posted at April 03, 2012, 09:09:31 PM CST after placing his order at 8:49:29 PM CST, 9:49:29 in Atlanta, GA, well past normal operating hours, ergo all transactions up to the last one above can safely be assumed were done automatically via some set parameters. The last transaction's time equates to 2012-04-04 @ 6:54:36 AM CST as in Kansas City.

1MgotZQSJC2zSim2Vp8rjmz3p6frf7EACo: Bombo999
1jyAQDoog4F4UFDt8nQCc2bTDGKcWydXd: BitPay
1FQ7RTfXxXUBrWg1UUJ6r2j8SxfMUsUEQL and 1CQDJ8j7qRzPqT5PfDNGxgqA1J5ovUrMCd: Assume BitPay
18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu: ? (not sure yet)

Next, we have this: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/


Safely assume that sonofodi is none other than Sonny Vleisides as proven beyond a shadow of a doubt here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg7027843#msg7027843

According to: view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/


1371752720 equates to Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:25:20 GMT. On the archived site is the following pic:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050856im_/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/2/9/19299185/3349976_orig.jpg
https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/

Note the flood and golf course. Now, watch this: Deer Creek Golf Course flooded by rain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm4aEeHJ_4E According to the following, the flood occurred on the morning of May 31, 2013: http://www.kshb.com/news/news-photo-gallery/photos-high-water-in-and-around-kansas-city-after-morning-thunderstorm-may-31-2013

Now, check this out: http://static.squarespace.com/static/52829703e4b0920e1902d6c4/t/5292ceebe4b0af26b639a671/1385352939859/EOYC%20BoD%20Minutes%205.20.13.pdf


From the above, we've gleaned:

• May 31, 2013: Flood in KC
• June 20, 2013: Sonofodi site created
• June 25, 2013: Sonofodi site archived
• A Vleisides, as most are, are affiliated with the Greek Orthodox Church in KC
• Tom Vleisides was instrumental in a fundraising campaign in said church
• The fundraising event consisted of a Golf outing at Deer Creek
• Deer Creek was flooded prior to the creation of the Sonofodi site owned by Sonny Vleisides
• Sonny Vleisides is related to Tom Vleisides

The only thing I've yet to accomplish is find the house depicted and its owner, connecting said to Sonny. The one thing we can probably say for sure is that the flood depicted in the image occurred on May 31, 2013, in KC.

Now, back to that address: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/


https://blockchain.info/address/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ has only 4 transactions. Here's the first one: https://blockchain.info/tx/ce1000c2b32d26f472730d9e6e0c92da946c7beda8e7bdbe654194ea4925f49d at 2013-06-25 04:15:52

As pointed out by some other - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg7027843#msg7027843 - the 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ bitcoin wallet address was never advertised elsewhere excepted on the archived site linked above, yet it was able to garner funds prior to the creation of Sonny Vleisides' site to the tune of 159.9273 BTC.

Looking at the final three transactions: https://blockchain.info/address/1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3876/15283090026_7a2da40d39_b.jpg

Note the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address. Also note the 1DiPE4TnBczmPVoy53tffrd1iNPq87B3PB address: https://blockchain.info/address/1DiPE4TnBczmPVoy53tffrd1iNPq87B3PB

Also 12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVfH: https://blockchain.info/address/12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVfH

Both addresses (in bold) funds go to 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs the very next day as seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/827063279c43c50c3f4c690dbf491071386d80068115f48d0beee7e80b4c7f2f

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3856/15305847682_0a82861df8_b.jpg

Doing a taint analysis of the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address, we discover: https://blockchain.info/taint/1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5551/15283413966_96e5879124_b.jpg

Notice the 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu bitcoin wallet address at the very top? That's the same that Bombo999's bitcoins gravitated to within hours of him transferring coins via BitPay. (scroll up a tad if you missed it)

Hopefully, I've established that both Bombo999 bitcoins used to purchase a miner from BFL and Sonny Vleisides' 1Hq2t6dJcxqZjGda919p4c4tmopNRLciAJ address used to amass BTC from the sale of chips, gravitated to the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address.

Now, what else is the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs address known for?

This:

https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3870/15299307081_2090f5fcb4_b.jpg

As seen here - http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11283333.htm - the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs address was used as the infamous $1M USD down payment for the purchase of BFL Monarchs by HashTrade. But, clearly that's an impossibility, for that wallet address either belongs to BFL or BitPay, and I'm assuming the former. If the latter, then there be some 'splainin' to do on BitPay's part. And we sure the hell don't want that, for they're one of the few good guys playin' here in the Bitcoin space, and I love them, Tony, et al.

The bottom line is that NO FUCKIN' WAY does the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs bitcoin wallet address belong to HashTrade, and we can safely assume that BFL and HashTrade were/are pullin' a fast one, and, furthermore, BFL has a stash of bitcoins that's being kept from pryin' eyes, e.g., the IRS and Sonny's probation officer, for clearly there's some money laundering going on here, and you can bet your bottom satoshi that Josh Zerlan is smack dab in the middle of it.

It was Coinware's HashTrade, et al., that I was just starting to dig into when Josh, once again, called me out as a liar, going as far as offering up a 1 BTC bet that I couldn't go a month without lying. I proposed 10 BTC and two months, whereupon the bet was sealed. Then, in spite of others telling me to hush for two months, I continued to post even more, but had to be very mindful of what to post in BFL's threads for fear of losing the bet, but I did post plenty of safe posts. Come January, Josh did pay up, but for two months, then forward for a few more months, CoinWare, et al., was not discussed much till most recently, now that I've revived it.

If this goes to trail, at its end there'll be 12 angry monumental assholes convening for only a short while prior to coming back to the court room with their verdict - GUILTY!

~Bruno Kucinskas

Thanks Bick for hosting this thread and the hard work it must take to maintain it.

... By the way, KNC is placed in its righteous place...

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06.12.2013 I ordered 1xCoinCraft Desk (Shipping February week 5) for $2,448.00 (order #4018). Because I didn´t get unit as they promised, I asked for refund. Until today I didn´t get unit or money. They do not answer to my emails. I never experience so high level of ignorance.

They still offering miners but how they can do that? If they are not able to deliver unit or return money for almost a year, how they can still selling something.

They have motto: “For serious miners”. But think twice before you order anything from them. I just showed you how they works and I am not alone.

You can find more information on following sites:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524837.60
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486808.860

IMPORTANT PSA for BFL former and current customers:

[...]

[...]PS@Bicknellski: owe you my sincere apologies and gratitude "dude"...  :)

BFL finnaly got what it deserved.

NOPE. Not at Technobit.

[...]PS@Bicknellski: owe you my sincere apologies and gratitude "dude"...  :)

[...]sbogovac <--- Ya good post. Other than that... don't care much.[...]

.......


Meanwhile while Marto and his paid shill or multiple account Loshia continue to spam threads.. Technobit ignores another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. Buy elsewhere.

......................
. Here comes his BCP look alike Loshia... yet another PAID SHILL for Technobit.

Spending time here trying to pretend I am the bad guy is time wasted.

Go do some actual work that helps your customers get products on time and to specification.

You have spent hours here already and there are still a number of customers in the last few days who have asked for answers on shipping and delivery. Why do you insist on ignoring your customers?

IMPORTANT PSA for BFL former and current customers:



The shut down of BFL is reaching pretty much every major media venue now... On Forbes.

 Meanwhile, according to FTC attorney Helen Wong, the company’s owners were using company credit cards for personal shopping outings at Nordstroms and Bed, Bath & Beyond; to get massages; go to saunas; and to buy guns. That last one could only be a business expense if the owners were preparing for customers descending on them with pitchforks.

They should have been called Bitfarce machines. Over 20,000 customers ordered them but none had received them over a year later, according to the FTC complaint. In November 2013, Butterfly Labs claimed all the Bitforce machines had shipped but “consumers continued to file complaints about not receiving their prepaid BitForce mining machine,” says the FTC.  (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/23/ftc-butterfly-labs-paypal/)


Meanwhile... Technobit ignores another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. Buy elsewhere.

Post yesterday...


Post today... ignores questions on orders so regularly why would anyone bother ordering shit from Marto... insanity.


So busy failing to respond to customers yet has time to always post here over and over again. Takes two seconds to lie to your customer... excuse number 34 we sent it but the shipping company sent it to the wrong location... then evidence shows you never sent it. Remember that one Marto? Why is that? His behavior is so much like Josh you'd think they were soul mates. Both Zerlan and Zipkin. Forget the fact that his wife and Zipkin's wife are friends... nothing to see here. Move along. Wasn't wrong about BFL not wrong about Technobit. Do no buy from this guy. He uses the same tactics for ignoring customers and abusing customers just like BFL has in the past. Don't be fooled by this company. There are plenty of complaints and the faux accounts he created to mask it along with 10 threads of product placement here to distract you from what happens when things are not delivered is not that hard to pick up on.

There are many other places to shop. Avoid Technobit.

BFL finnaly got what it deserved.

NOPE. Not at Technobit.

.......


Meanwhile while Marto and his paid shill or multiple account Loshia continue to spam threads.. Technobit ignores another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. Buy elsewhere.

......................
. Here comes his BCP look alike Loshia... yet another PAID SHILL for Technobit.

Again?Meanwhile while Marto and his paid shill or multiple account Loshia continue to spam threads... What does Technobit do? They ignore another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. [/size]

Meanwhile, he shipped my stuff Tuesday. I admit he needed a little pushing, but it happened. He actually did what he has done for long, produce and ship hardware. Now it's your turn to get something going bick, fees from others or collecting other people's comments, twisting words and adding a lot of lies to build some sort of authority, it ain't working.

Nice said are you paid shill like me buddy ;)
Marto has a big PR pocket obviously :D

lol, we must make that he pays us better, still on an old amd xp laptop here. Marto!!!!!

Did you all see how he removes comments from his technobit fucks us over thread where I posted the same message as one page back? Talking to himself, lol.

Wong also noted that in this action—the FTC's first involving Bitcoin—seeks "full consumer redress," which, if successful, would result in refunds payable in US dollars.

UPDATE 2:15pm CT: Butterfly Labs' spokesman, Charles Zinkowski, sent Ars this statement, declaring that the company was "disappointed in the heavy-handed actions" of the FTC.

"Butterfly Labs intends to defend our business and our nascent and promising industry," the company said. "The government wants to shut Butterfly Labs down, and we are not going away without a fight to vindicate bitcoin, our company, and our employees."

Zinkowski also did not respond to further questions.

Thanks, but well - sorry - I do care. If people read this fora back a couple of months they might stumble across a discussion we had considering BFL where I "defended" them. You turned out to be right, and I would have been saved a lot of time, effort and misery if I hadn't been such a noob and just paid attention. So - again - my apologies for that and my gratitude for you relentless efforts in helping us al!

Just take this forum for instance; it's called "Biased & Opinionated" and still some manufacturers take more time and effort to react here then to spend their time making customers happy...?!? This was a big sign on the wall with BFL, and probably is for all other "companies" behaving in the same way... Too bad, seems like you'll have something to do yet...

 No offense Guyver, but he hasn't even shipped batch one out. Hopefully he will not ship out anymore batch 2 like the mistake made last week. I just got my first partial shipment today 6 of 50. I know its been over a month for you and I hate it, but it has been over 10 weeks for some of us.

I haven't received a single one of my 88 boards. My chips have been at technobit since July 17th.

Personally, I like your direct no-nonsense approach.

The main thing is that the CEO is active right here on the forum... so communication is happening, questions are answered, responses are being made. We've got great tech support right here too.

It's like night and day compared to many other manufacturers.

Based on the hashrate increase and how consumers are still buying over priced miners, I now think that overall mining will go negative ROI for a while until people realize that they are losing money. Home miners don't think like business miners and may not realize they are losing $ in small bits here and there.

So while the max hashrate/BTC calculations have value, I don't think many individuals will actually shut down if they already have the equipment.

Gonna be a rough ride for a while.

Latest update on the BFL homepage:

"BF Labs, Inc. has been placed in a temporary receivership pursuant to court order, Case No. 4:14-cv-00815-BCW. There will be a hearing on September 29, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. at the Charles Evans Whittaker Courthouse in Kansas City, Missouri. At the hearing, the court will consider this matter. Questions may be directed to the temporary receiver at: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or 816-292-8316."

Please people, this aint over "till the fat lady sings"; contact the receiver and explain your position in this!

(My story is something like: ordered in jan. expected delivery in march/april, due to BFL's non-delivery I missed this much BTC income by the time BFL refunded me [after another 45 day wait] in august and I finally could divert that investment to another producer [Antminer] who did deliver in two weeks, in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)

Marto can you give me an update on my order?

simple Setup guide for *(yet another product that some of his customers have to ask when will arrive.)

Oh oh,I think marto went all

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Wow.  Unfortunately this thread has gone down hill.  My condolences to those who have been ripped off.  :(

BA has upgraded their customer post deletion bot; it now scans the thread several times a second looking for customer posts to delete.