Can default trust members put negs on somebody and then tell them to pay up to remove it? Yes they can, and I would be very surprised if they were banned for it. They would likely be removed from DT by whomever had them listed, and painted red for days, but the staff in "official" capacity likely wouldn't act. If you really think this is some felonious assault you need to contact law enforcement. They would contact theymos with appropriate legal documents and theymos would comply of fight it, both of which I believe he has done before. Those are the proper channels to follow not complaining about a bad report and banning another user. Frankly you sound a little butthurt about a single report not being handled and a user not being banned. Well, yes anybody can do anything. Anybody could go outside with a gun or knife right now and commit murder...obviously it's an available option lol. I don't think anybody argues that. I suppose I don't understand: Why isn't illegal activity bannable even though the rules state it? Wouldn't it make the website liable, not only to police investigation requests and what headaches that causes, but also to potential aiding charges should there be enough crime? Filing a police report would not be a problem, but why must it go that far in order to protect other people? Can default trust members put negs on somebody and then tell them to pay up to remove it? Obviously the community will revolt against such an activity, Pay up to whom? if you could ask them to pay to the forum I don't see how that could result in a community revolting, would you consider paying the fee for evil IPs as extortion? or maybe paying for copper membership is also an extortion attempt? But because forum owners charge those fees nobody says anything. Stop trolling us for one unhandled report, I've got 27 unhandled reports but you don't see me trolling people for them. I was giving a hypothetical if a DT member extorts somebody for negative reputation, as in asks them for $100 to remove a negative they gave...not sure what you're going on about copper membership or forum payment or whatever lol. I think you didn't understand what I said, because that response is far out. Diagran as far as I've seen you had some "negative trust removing" thread and then freaked out over getting negs for it. We're talking about documented crime with bulletproof evidence. |
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But if the forum isn't thwarting provable criminal activity, what has it become? What will the community turn into?
I mean the core of the community (we have a bit of a spam issue ATM LOL) will become what it has always been. A community based on open, borderless, permissionless, trustless, decentralized technology we call the blockchain. The forum is not judge jury and executioner over every contract made on the forum. Learning how to transact and navigate a borderless, permissionless, trustless technology is not always easy or safe. But everyone will learn when it is the new norm!!  We're not talking about a contract, we're talking about criminal extortion. Can default trust members put negs on somebody and then tell them to pay up to remove it? Obviously the community will revolt against such an activity, so why is this any different? Why is this person protected to try to extort people into silence? Why is staff not policing the rules about illegal activity? Report is still "unhandled".   |
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Thank you jeremy, one of the best campaign managers I've had throughout my experience, keep up the good work and thank you once again.
And as for WaffleMaster, I think it's better off stopping all of this nonsense, this thread is going to be flooded by your complaints, which is quite annoying to be honest, move on my friend, stop the hate.
You think I'm hating? Or am I showing proof to everybody that this campaign is not to be trusted because the manager committed a felony against me? How hateful is it for a manager to extort one of the participants? Negativity like this one shouldn't be allowed in this forum.
Or maybe instead of attacking me for reacting and showing what somebody did, we don't allow people to commit crimes and get away with it? I understand you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you, but all it takes for evil to win is for good men to watch and do nothing. |
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Did you manage to get your funds back? Doesn't look like you were treated fairly at all...
Thank you, and I did get payed for the 1 week of work after several more threats. I believe somebody had to tell him to pay me. However, I did lose the ability to make the other $840. Pretty shitty, huh. All because he was a bad manager, then doubled down and started committing felonies and scams to try and hide it. |
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Now that digaran has gone silent, I'd say you're acting stupider/delusional/idiotic. Choose what you like. Don't worry,it'll be temporary, you'll be long gone, while digaran would come back. Inadmissible on what terms? Let's see: He asked you to delete your posts, and there is no law that defines extortion to involve these petty things(As far as I know). You should also read this: https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/extortion.htmlExtortion involves money or threats to cause physical threats. "Uh, yes your Honor, I threatened him to delete all evidence of me committing the felony, which I understand is another felony in itself, so it shouldn't be available as evidence" - Pugman in Court Also, he asked me to delete things before he threatened me monetarily....so?  ?? Are you confused? Here, I googled it for you in 2 seconds to prove you have no idea what you're talking about. By the way, threatening to not pay somebody an agreed to amount unless they do something is involving money, isn't it? And since you're literally braindead, he's a quote from the link you told me to read which counters your point immediately. "Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury." As soon as he agreed in his mistake and that he would send me the money, that money was my property. Thank you for trying to act like you know something, and further providing evidence for my point. Had to edit this quote in  "It's like burning somebody's house down and then getting mad at their reaction." |
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"It's like burning down somebody's home and then getting mad at their reaction"
My Campaigns are not masked or tricky, I've never had any issues with paying contractors and paying them on time.
So, committing a felony and extorting your participants isn't tricky, and you're not trying to mask that fact? What about you admitting you counted wrong? That's not an issue with payment? What about saying you shouldn't have to pay participants? If I were to pay you, you'd repost your shit and cry foul.
Everybody beware, still this manager continues to lie and deceive you. Even commits crimes against participants. And is almost certainly never going to have a campaign to manage again after this. Continue your money grab from this criminal manager and the shady company who employed him to begin with, but don't lie to yourselves and say everything is ok. [ Here is my response to what he quoted about Yahoo, since he is bringing that up to try and discredit me. And even Yahoo himself is not accepting the seriousness of the crimes, probably because he also works profits heavily in the same industry and doesn't want to see it damaged heavily by this manager's criminal acts.]
I said you were correct in the fact that you actually qualified for the full payment as per the campaign rules, unless you did not fit his criteria as quality posts. That is the only thing I said you were correct about.
Everything else, including all these ridiculous replies, you have been 100% wrong about. Your reputation is not fine BTW. You have already popped up on my radar and hit my blacklist for the way you conduct yourself when trying to get your point across. If you keep going i'm sure other managers will place you on their blacklists as well.
It's fine to get pissed off when trying to defend your situation but handle it without spamming 100 posts in 24 hours repeating the same bullshit half of which is false or taken out of context.
What else are you hoping to accomplish? He didn't extort you, he paid you. He didn't get any financial gain from removing you. If you were in 1 of my campaigns and handled yourself this way, I would have removed you as well just to avoid dealing with your delusional thought process.
I eagerly await the 5 replies i'll get to read from this response
You're fine Yahoo, I understand your position. You are a campaign manager, and when things like this happen it really makes companies consider if they want their name tied to a manager, who in this case commits a felony. Campaigns can't be sure they won't employ a Jeremy who will make big mistakes managing the campaign and it's money, then double down and commit felonies to try and cover it up, dragging their company name in the mud along with it. It's bad for campaign signature business, one that has been down lately (bear market, some have said there is no value so they canceled 1 week in). I'd say there's a lot at stake with even the whole industry of signature campaigns, something you profit from heavily. You saying it's not extortion is false, here's a definition of extortion. "obtaining something" would be the censorship he was demanding. Perhaps I haven't "conducted myself" well for having a literal crime, a felony, committed against me after being kicked out in error from a terrible campaign manager who then agreed in writing to make everything back to normal, then scammed that agreement. Who would have thought somebody could get passionate about that.
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This OP has gone beyond boundaries, he is like a barking crazy dog wanted to get back into a prolific campaign where the manager kicked him out, trying to blackmail him by posting this crap.
I am asking any DT to put a red tag to this crazy and delusional OP and a mod to ban him for spamming.
False, obviously I don't want back in. Said it days ago before even opening the extortion/scam thread. Crazy and delusional, interesting because everything I've said literally has proof to the very last detail? I like how you dehumanized me though, just for keeping relevant information and responding to people. Maybe go to the GAW thread and tell all those DT members that their 1,000+ page of GAW scam discussion was for nothing and they're all crazy too as the CEO is going to prison on fraud charges everybody was bringing up.  |
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The use of our imagery is neither fair nor fair use, we have our logos trademarked. This is a conflict between you and jeremypwr and as you're not part of the signature campaign anymore your permission to use our logo and signature has been revoked.
Karl
Bitcasino.io
Please show us the documents of your trademarked B logo? Because usually when you open your mouth only blatant lies and nonsense are coming out! They deleted that post, didn't they? Their sportsbet support said something similar, and I replied to them asking for the papers. It seems they are multi accounting as they replied in this thread instead of where I actually said it was fair use, and I too asked them to provide proof of copyright and trademark so then I could comply with their wishes. Even though my transformative work is artistic and applies under fair use, which they seem to deny. |
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I said you were correct in the fact that you actually qualified for the full payment as per the campaign rules, unless you did not fit his criteria as quality posts. That is the only thing I said you were correct about.
Everything else, including all these ridiculous replies, you have been 100% wrong about. Your reputation is not fine BTW. You have already popped up on my radar and hit my blacklist for the way you conduct yourself when trying to get your point across. If you keep going i'm sure other managers will place you on their blacklists as well.
It's fine to get pissed off when trying to defend your situation but handle it without spamming 100 posts in 24 hours repeating the same bullshit half of which is false or taken out of context.
What else are you hoping to accomplish? He didn't extort you, he paid you. He didn't get any financial gain from removing you. If you were in 1 of my campaigns and handled yourself this way, I would have removed you as well just to avoid dealing with your delusional thought process.
I eagerly await the 5 replies i'll get to read from this response
You're fine Yahoo, I understand your position. You are a campaign manager, and when things like this happen it really makes companies consider if they want their name tied to a manager, who in this case commits a felony. Campaigns can't be sure they won't employ a Jeremy who will make big mistakes managing the campaign and it's money, then double down and commit felonies to try and cover it up, dragging their company name in the mud along with it. It's bad for campaign signature business, one that has been down lately (bear market, some have said there is no value so they canceled 1 week in). I'd say there's a lot at stake with even the whole industry of signature campaigns, something you profit from heavily. You saying it's not extortion is false, here's a definition of extortion. "obtaining something" would be the censorship he was demanding. Perhaps I haven't "conducted myself" well for having a literal crime, a felony, committed against me after being kicked out in error from a terrible campaign manager who then agreed in writing to make everything back to normal, then scammed that agreement. Who would have thought somebody could get passionate about that. |
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Now you're just competing against digaran to see who is the most stupidest. 
You're getting nothing from this, can you move on? Because the main issue was you getting paid for those 25 posts and now you have. Apologize to each other and get this issue solved. "Most stupidest", nice. So if a felon apologizes for committing a felony that is fine, he can commit as many crimes against somebody as he wants? "inadmissible" on what terms, Mr. Lawyer? Forget the scamming that would be easily enforceable. Extortion is a felony in all states, and not only that, in all countries. But let's just move on and let a felon continue to criminally extort people and commit crimes. I wonder who the "most stupidest" is |
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It would be time to stop... I didn't read all this shitstorm in different threads, but can you tell me what do you want to reach? Do you want to be returned to campaign after all these attacks against campaign manager? Ok, he made mistake, but he didn't scammed you, he paid you. And after public criticism about "scamming" he decided to remove you from campaign. Normal decision. Well, he didn't acted as he should be by sending these PM's, but seens that he learned from that. It was easy to resolve this issue in civilized methods by communicating via PM and having a bit more patience, not as you both did. But I don't understand why you still continue this shit. It just damage your reputation because I don't think that bounty managers will want to have "drama queen" in their campaigns.
No, I don't want to be returned to the campaign, as stated in this PM (pic below) immediately after he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me. A literal felony to try and censor me. I don't care if somebody think I'm dramatic for exposing somebody committing a felony against another person or myself. The support is exponentially ramping up against his criminal actions. People are pulling their campaign applications, people are waiting and seeing if criminal activity is moderated like the forum rules says it is. My reputation is fine, because truth and logic with evidence beats criminal activity any day of the week. |
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Like I said. Had a look and I disagree.
Let's see if staff steps in... like that'd ever happened...
Well, it's always in the best interest of a website/marketplace/forum to operate not only within their own rules, but the laws of the places they allow access to their website as well. To limit liability and prevent investigations, which I assume is why that rule is there to begin with. I give up, you are right. Has staff commented on it by now? No, it is still an 'unhandled' report. Hilarious did comment informally here, before I showed the extortion. Basically he said they don't moderate scams. He also seems displeased at the current state of admin... but what happened and is provable by the PM and also the pictures of the PM is that criminal extortion occurred, which is a felony, not just some shitty scam. I'm happy you agree. So no, any formal comment on the reported PM that was engaged in illegal activity has not been stated. |
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Like I said. Had a look and I disagree.
Let's see if staff steps in... like that'd ever happened...
Well, it's always in the best interest of a website/marketplace/forum to operate not only within their own rules, but the laws of the places they allow access to their website as well. To limit liability and prevent investigations, which I assume is why that rule is there to begin with. |
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If you have to ask, it doesn't make sense to talk to you. Report your issue and see if the staff reacts.
I asked because I could probably show you why those things aren't "illegal". Also, I'm not sure what "DS" is an acronym for (digital goods?). Illegal things would include drugs or alcohol (without a license). Breaking ToS of companies is not "illegal" but does open whoever the seller is to civil lawsuits (like that'd ever happen, lol). So like microsoft keys aren't illegal, paypal accounts aren't illegal, discounted giftcards aren't illegal. Until there is proof they were obtained illegally, those things are not illegal and don't fall under the forum rule. However, extortion like the one noted is not only provable, it is also highly illegal in all countries. |
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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams are not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if something happens.
Scams no, selling illegal goods and criminal activity like credit card fraud etc.? Yes, those are moderated. This is exactly the same scenario as in selling illegal goods or credit card fraud. Checked the DS section, have to disagree. For the "moderated" part. What illegal activity is going on there lol? |
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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams are not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if something happens.
Scams no, selling illegal goods and criminal activity like credit card fraud etc.? Yes, those are moderated. This is exactly the same scenario as in selling illegal goods or credit card fraud. I believe these are rules to limit the liability of BTC from actual criminal activity and police interventions. |
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extortion is a federal and state crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison (in USA).
So call the cops... LOL if it was done in real life, sure. The capabilities of police to unmask this individual on the internet, who probably doesn't even live in the same country... they'd subpoena BitcoinTalk for information requests. There's a lot of barriers there, and I wouldn't want the police knocking down the door of a forum I like a lot, and has provided a lot for me and for many others. But if the forum isn't thwarting provable criminal activity, what has it become? What will the community turn into? |
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Unreal if this is allowed to continue and he can do it to other people. 97% accuracy across over a hundred reports, let's hope this doesn't fall into the 3% because he has friends in high places.
You've just been told this isn't a forum issue. If it isn't breaking forum rules then the moderators will not deal with it. Committing crimes is breaking the forum rules... extortion is a federal and state crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison (in USA). All other countries have anti-extortion laws. I've sent report tickets in, they are all "unhandled" right now. I'm not saying he should be put in prison or anything, but that illegal activity has occurred, is provable, and is not being dealt with. That is a Meta (talking about the forum) issue if I've ever seen one. I'm agreeing that maybe asking for a little help on how to report somebody is not belonging in the meta thread (probs belongs in beginner and help), but now it has morphed into it. I'll change the title and stuff to make it more appropriate now. I follow all rules. This guy was paid in entirety for his Week #1 of work.
He is acting like I stiffed him out of some money, which is 100% false.
So his only problem is the fact he was booted from my Campaign.
Jeremy, this does not discount the fact that you are extorting people for censorship, which is illegal. Also, Libertarians and the Bitcoin community hate censorship. You can't just simply say sorry for committing a crime like it never happened. Should murders be allowed to say sorry and not face punishment? You threatened me to take down my posts, or else I would not have payment you agreed to pay already. That is criminal extortion/blackmail. |
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Maybe I continue because extortion is a federal and state crime punishable by 20 years in prison? A FELONY (just in USA, other places have more strict laws, no country actually allows extortion) and criminal activity is against the forum rules? I'm not saying this guy should be locked up for something minor like extorting somebody to censor them, but a criminal campaign manager should not be allowed to continue ruining people's money and company reputations. And he's provably committed a crime by extorting money that was already agreed to be paid, by threatening to not pay unless censorship was performed: so stop posting it over and over again in various forum sections.
I'm really sorry you have a personal issue with this, but it's not against the rules (unlike committing crimes), and every thread has a different type of discussion going on with no duplicate posts. I understand you now think your own reputation is in danger for participating with in a criminal's campaigns, and to be honest I myself might even defend a corrupt campaign manager lightly to still receive the payment from them. I'm not blaming you or holding you accountable to support him, it just makes financial sense for people in the campaign to continue doing so, regardless of how bad the reputation of the company and the campaign manager are being damaged from crimes they are committing. But please let's discuss the aspect that since this company employ criminals who withhold payment, what is the chance they don't let you have a withdrawal? |
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Oh Pugman, how futile all your argument points have been. And easily countered not only by me, but by many others. Changed my mind.
(a person removing their application to one of his campaigns)
I'm with WaffleMaster's side here. Just for the sake.
But cheer up WaffleMaster. Its not the end of the world for you. You already wasted two days of your life when you could have done something more meaningful than getting into a fight you may never win. There are hundred more campaigns out there, all they may be needing is you who can raise awareness for their project.
So let me ask you this, since you seem to be the only person who sides with WaffleMaster: Even though it turns out waffle is in the right
No, that would not be ok, but jeremypwr admitted his mistake, apologised
To this user I ask: As long as a murderer or financial fraud says he is sorry, he doesn't deserve jail time? Holy fuck, anybody that isnt retarded can see that this campaign manager extorted u. literally wanted to censor u or else he wouldnt pay what he said, what u were owed. Why? Cus u posted about not being paid properly cus he is a piece of shit manager n couldnt count to 25 right? Holy fuck!!! how is this dude not banned for illegal activity. super anti bitcoin with his censorship too
It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right?
Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time.
Jeremy literally committed a crime. No country allows extortion. You can keep defending him though, he's provably shown to be a criminal. I wonder if you're a criminal too, Pugman. "Under federal and state laws, extortion carries up to a 20-year prison sentence." |
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