True and true. I explained further on this thread. There is a brand of scam that involves cloning something with no substance and then pumping it (for example several hundred alts). There is another brand of scam that involves doing some development and then promoting it in an aggressive and deliberately misleading and deceptive way (for example SDC or BCN, although BCN's substantive contribution to cryptotechnology was vastly more than SDCs).
You are completly wrong on that, please stop making false asumptions just based on your point of view. You should research more deeply into that, have you ever talked to Ryno or a Shadow developer ? Lot of false ideas on Shadow can be seen everywhere on this forum, but it's not making it reals. For example I always thought that Monero had a bigger team than Shadow (because everyone says that) and weirdly at David presentation yesterday in Paris I discovered that Monero team is the same size as Shadow's (yes, real developers ^^"). I really hate this stupid fight between Monero and Shadow, I am the one who suggested to David to take part in yesterday fintech meetup in Paris to present Monero, I don't see the point in fighting like that. Monero is focusing more on the currency use when Shadow is looking more at the blockchain use. There is no reason to fight, we could help each other, that's what open-source projects are for  p.s: For me it doesn't apply to DASH, which is looking more and more like a company owning a blockchain. p.s.2: Yes, some SDC supporters are promoting the coin everywhere, because they've seen that this project is solid, but not enough recognized. It may be a bad communication move, but you should understand that, i've seen monero supporters doing that a lot on DRK threads. I confirm that I have excellent relations with ffmad and it is thank to him that I was able to make a lasting (and positive) impression on both the audience and the organisator yesterday. I'm all about burying the hatchet, but this requires all to work on this (XMR fans or SDC fans. - stop using derogative terms - get rid of fanboys (reminder fanboy != fan) - recognize that people (and project) change and that what you are doing now matters more than what you did in the past. Jimmy Wales or in France Xavier Niel made money with porn. Now they run Wikipedia and the most disruptive French ISP. Elon Musk was Paypal; now he is SpaceX and Tesla Motors. - be serious in willing to cooperate. This means changing your mind, understanding that some things are not technically feasible and move to those wich are. - learn from your mistakes, other's mistakes and other's successes - with great powers come great responsabilities. Dev lead by example. If they don't intervene, someone else (most probably a fanboy) will do. And this sucks. If dev don't want to intervene, then someone entrusted and willing to deal with human relationship shall step in. AFAIK, ffmad is this person. And yes, I'm tired of this too. I really only know ffmad on SDC and he is a great guy. Sure, he has to improve his spoken performance (:-)) but ihe is well-mannered, devoted, genuinely interested. A lot of people in crypto should learn from him. Yes, I'm biased because we happen to live i the same city and to meet often but this exactly what you should hink about; we have the opportunity to have very-large-bandwith interactions (IRL meetings). This helps. You should try it sometimes. |
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Excellent, so you agree that the constant insults by icebreaker and others aren't productive at all.
Or is it only wrong when he's the one being called out for being legitimately part of something shady? To be honest, I did not read the previous discussions, so I can't give a documented opinion about whether or not icebreaker or other were insulting - I can only speak for the conversation I quoted. But yes, insult is not only useless, but actually counter-productive (although, ironically, it strengthens a community by uniting it against a common ennemy, irrespective of whether the threat is real or imaginary - or even created as a distraction, like some governments did in the past, since it proves to never wear out). |
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Tok, I like your postings but in this case save your breath, you can't teach a lifetime of stupidity to be smart, it can't normally be done, believe me I've tried with a few idiots in my time. It is a common error that clever people think others are like them but generally that ain't true, its more likely a projection of your own reality onto someone else as you see them. tok and I are having a polite conversation despite (or because of) our differences in opinion, like reasonable people often do. You jump in and bash one participant with content-free insults. That's *EXACTLY* the kind of toxic cult-like 'shun the disbeliever' crap a community doesn't need. I save this for future reference. Very elegantly worded (and in case you are wondering, this is not about Monero vs Dash; this is about elegantly expressing something I noticed a lot, on different topics usually not even related to cryptocurrencies). By the way, in case you wonder, this is called ad personam: A last trick is to become personal, insulting, rude, as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand, and that you are going to come off worst. It consists in passing from the subject of dispute, as from a lost game, to the disputant himself, and in some way attacking his person. It may be called the argumentum ad personam, to distinguish it from the argumentum ad hominem, which passes from the objective discussion of the subject pure and simple to the statements or admissions which your opponent has made in regard to it. But in becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack to his person, by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character. It is an appeal from the virtues of the intellect to the virtues of the body, or to mere animalism. This is a very popular trick, because every one is able to carry it into effect; and so it is of frequent application. Now the question is, What counter-trick avails for the other party? for if he has recourse to the same rule, there will be blows, or a duel, or an action for slander. To pastiche Linus, "if someone uses ad personam against me, it means I won." :-) (again, this last sentence is not about Monero and Dash but a general consideration on rhetorics and fallacies) |
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I feel like you left out the actual interesting parts of my post and only left the primitive parts. I stated in my post that it's possible an AI could either sit forever at 0.0000001% CPU utilization or be stuck hammered at 100% while trying to calculate the position of every photon. Then I stated the debug and error checking systems required to prevent such activity from occurring would define what the AI would actually be doing at any given time, so the human element required in creating the error checking and debug systems might make real AI impossible. Original post below, I feel the last sentence is the most interesting possibility: If you wanted to get really complex, the AI could possibly re-write it's debug systems itself. The question here is, does the old version actually terminate on version updates, or does a new virtual and/or physical presence of the AI spawn each time, who then fight each other over resources. It would basically be recreating evolution. "Will one day machine be a smart as humans? - Yes, but not for long" (because very quicly, it will become much smarter than humans) The question of terminating its previous self depends on how the self-preservation routines are coded and handled. If the machine can convince itself that "dying is not dying", it can work. An irrational system (human brain) can do it (going to heaven). I have the intution that a rational system (a computer) can do it (no loss of meaningful information = no dying). |
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We have been "moving away from Bitcointalk" since Oct '14?  Can we take this out? If it hasn't happened yet, it ain't gonna. Note the use of progressive tense. Notice that announcements are not published here, for instance. |
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Does this mean windows binaries for the Drooling Masses©? Yes and no. Yes, because DB will be simple to implement for mainstream machines (Windows), even (God forbids) Win XP. No, because Drooling Masses wants Dat Fucking Official GUI wallet. (and re-no because Drooling Masses don't even get Bitcoin yet but that's another story) |
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If XMR is supposed to be truly anonymous, how do you do distribution analysis to determine how many people have large balances? Power law. Estimations. |
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(discussion on smart mining) As a reminder, it is part of the decentralisation pillar of Monero.
How about implementing automatic mining with donations to development the default and a secondary setting where auto mining turns on after passing a default yet user-adjustable threshold where one pool has over x% of the network?
That's why we have an Ideas subforum on the official forum. It is part of a "feature workflow", along with Open tasks, Funding required and Work in progress. I suggest anyone interested with smart mining creates a smart mining entry on the official forum. |
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Bobbax's phone number, which I promised to keep private (but obviously I do not feel tied by this promise anymore) is 0622150740. This is a French mobile number. Due to Charlie Hebdo events, police doesn't record complaint after 8 PM and today I had a general meeting (unrelated to crypto). Today, Il go back to the police station to see if I can register a complaint (it will be hard to explain, though). And if they are closed to the public on Sunday, I'll try again on Monday. For the sake of completeness, I'll publich what I replied to conspirosphere.tk in a recent PM: I talked with him on the phone (French mobile phone) on several occasions and for hours, including for debugging the site - accent was clearly French, not Belgian, Swiss or Quebec or Africa or foreigner. We also agreed to meet. First the 7th, then I had to postone to the 30th at the last minute because the places I wanted to show him were closed on week-end.
He basically abused me and since I put my reputation on this, you can imagine I feel very bad. |
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Since we are talking about OpenAlias: if you use third level domain (like david.latapie.name), you can replace the first dot with a commercial at, to make it look like a email address (reminder: commercial at means location and email is just a subset - david@paris his meaningful). So david@latapie.name == david.latapie.name. Well, you can replace all dots (I think), so david@latapie@name or david.latapie@name would work too, but this doesn't mean it would make sense for the human behind the keyboard Of course, it is better to also have an email address, to mitigate confusion, much like https://donate.monero.cc/ is meant to mitigate the confusion with donate.monero.cc. |
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How i can make it? Editorial: What is OpenAlias
Is it true that the devs have no plan to develop an "official" gui? I think i remember reading that some where or hearing someone say something to this effect but i don't remember where.
EDIT: and xmr.to and probably a few others I'm forgetting, sorry in advance. Merchants and services directory
With regards to the forum, the official forum exists as a platform we're putting together because it will allow us to harness future developments like MoneroID and MoneroTrust (see the Design and Development Goals) and implement them in the forum, a task that would be significantly harder if we used anything else that was more generic. This is important to know to address the many complaints regarding the forum. This is similar to the complaints about the GUI wallet: making a wrapper is easy and there was for long not enough communication about the GUI wallet being more than a wrapper. |
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It's also important to understand that we are diverging far from the CryptoNote reference code (and even from the CryptoNote protocol) as we fix its shortcomings and extend it. At some point Monero will be different enough so as to say that it is powered by the Monero protocol, and that day is not far off:) And this is the term I use in the forthcoming Monero Handbook (and elsewhere). |
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La séance sera consacrée aux cryptomonnaies, et notamment à Bitcoin (la plus capitalisée) et Monero, (la petite dernière qui capitalise… le meilleur de la réflexion sur les cryptomonnaies). Nous aurons l’honneur de recevoir David LATAPIE. Gascon et Parisien, David LATAPIE travaille depuis 2014 dans le domaine des cryptomonnaies. Géographe et informaticien de formation, il est membre du comité directeur de Monero, une cryptomonnaie respectant la vie privée et la neutralité du net. Il se concentre plus particulièrement sur la promotion des cryptomonnaies et l’étude des impacts sociétaux de celles-ci sur le monde de demain. Les cryptomonnaies sont des processus logiciels communautaires permettant grâce au cryptage d’échanger de façon sécurisée et virtuelle des unités de comptes. Elles sont donc techniquement utilisables comme monnaie par des communautés humaines les adoptant à cette fin. La valeur d’échange d’une unité de compte d’une cryptomonnaie se développe au fur et à mesure qu’une communauté importante adopte cette cryptomonnaie et l’utilise pour des échanges de plus en plus en plus importants. Selon David LATAPIE les cryptomonnaies sont une affaire non seulement sérieuse, mais également salutaire. Il nous narrera la genèse des cryptomonnaies, leur utilité et la motivation de leurs créateurs et de leur adopteurs précoces. Il décrira leur fonctionnement général, leurs avantages et leurs inconvénients, ainsi que les mesures palliatives à ces inconvénients. Il fera un rapide tour d’horizon en détaillant la plus connue t la plus capitalisée, Bitcoin. Il présentera également les applications non-financières, en terme de réduction des coûts, d’automatisation des tâches juridiques et d’internet des objets. Enfin il détaillera Monero, une nouvelle cryptomonnaie sur laquelle il travaille afin de neutraliser les défauts des cryptomonnaies précédentes et notamment Bitcoin. David LATAPIE accorde une grande importance à cette démarche pour que les hommes libres restent maîtres de leur destin. Qu’est-ce qu’une monnaie ? Qu’est-ce qu’une cryptomonnaie ? Pourquoi introduire Monero ? C’est autour de ces questions que nous vous proposons de débattre le lundi 16 mars à 20h00 au café le Coup d’Etat, 164, rue Saint Honoré, 75001 Paris (M° Palais Royal) ! |
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But when possible (for instance a cross post), I try to link to the getmonero forum as opposed to this one. Challenge accepted A troller pissed me off. I replied. Enjoy. We don't have a Mac GUI yet, so what? |
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Tout de même, depuis le temps que cette crypto est sortie, les dev auraient pu faire un effort. On en fait tous les jours, des efforts - et énormément. D'après toi, pourquoi il n'y en a pas encore, de GUI Mac ? C'est du bénévolat (on est même de plusieurs dizaines de milliers de dollars en négatif, dizaines de milliers de dollars qui viennent de nos fonds propres, parce que les donations sont insuffisantes) ? Il n'y a pas de premine et autres arnaques - la propreté, ça coûte cher mais au moins on est droit dans nos bottes. Et le dév de Monero X aussi, il est bénévole. Il fait ça sur son temps libre. D'accord mais c'est le cas de quasiment TOUTES les cryptos. Enfin bon, je ne voulais pas lancer une polémique mais faire prendre conscience qu'une GUI c'est primordial. Or avec Monero elle passe au second dernier plan. Note que le but du dev est peut-être de confiner la crypto dans un cercle restreint d'utilisateurs et dans ce cas, c'est bien joué. La majorité des cryptos réutilise 5 ans de travail sur Bitcoin (faut se rappeler de Bitcoin 9 mois après sa sortie - c'était pas joli). Appuyez sur le bouton "fork" et hop, vous avez votre wallet. Dans la minorité qui ne se base pas sur Bitcoin ( Bytecoin-based, NXT-based, Ripple-based), nous avons : - des multinationales riches à million (Ripple et donc Stellar, qui ne sont pas des cryptos) et n'ont donc pas eu de problème pour pondre leur GUI
- un projet bien ficelé, NXT, qui a eu plusieurs mois pour coder son interface from scratch sans perturbation extérieure (NXT) et était financé par une ICO.
- un scam (Bytecoin) avec du code non documenté et volontairement désoptimisé, des développeurs voyous et injoignables et la nécessité de travailler en production, c'est-à-dire d'utiliser une bonne partie des ressources à gérer la sécurité d'un réseau non seulement en fonctionnement, mais mal compris et attaqué par les développeurs originaux.
Je note en réponse à ton "dernier plan" que tu as commodément oublié de citer "On sait très bien qu'une GUI Mac (et même Linux) est importante - on est pas con". |
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The digests are getting better and better! I know find some gems in them (even though I read everything).
It would be interesting to have the new forum in it too. It certainly is harder, and time is limited, but let's just consider.
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Tout de même, depuis le temps que cette crypto est sortie, les dev auraient pu faire un effort. On en fait tous les jours, des efforts - et énormément. D'après toi, pourquoi il n'y en a pas encore, de GUI Mac ? C'est du bénévolat (on est même de plusieurs dizaines de milliers de dollars en négatif, dizaines de milliers de dollars qui viennent de nos fonds propres, parce que les donations sont insuffisantes) ? Il n'y a pas de premine et autres arnaques - la propreté, ça coûte cher mais au moins on est droit dans nos bottes. Et le dév de Monero X aussi, il est bénévole. Il fait ça sur son temps libre. On fait tous ça pour que demain soit un monde meilleur. S'il n'y a pas de GUI Mac, c'est parce qu'aucune personne qui a le talent n'a trouvé un intérêt suffisant à le faire et qu'aucune personne qui le veut mais ne peut le faire n'a daigné payer pour ça - pas payer pour notre poche, mais payer pour recruter un développeur qui le fera pour nous. On sait très bien qu'une GUI Mac (et même Linux) est importante - on est pas con mais on un temps limité (et obtenir davantage de temps nécessite d'obtenir davantage de bénévoles ( tu peux contribuer : parle de Monero auprès de tes connaissances dev Mac) ou de contractants (et donc de l'argent pour les payer). Pareil pour le wallet graphique officiel (et pour Mac) avec en plus le fait qu'il s'agira plus que d'un simple wrapper (comme sont lightWalley et MoneroX): Why is the official GUI wallet not released yetEt pour terminer: after the block 202 612 attack we completely shifted our priorities. It's not good enough for us to "fail fast and fail often" like some hipster startup, because we're playing with other people's money. We have to get the fundamentals incredibly tight first, otherwise we'll end up burning so much effort constantly updating the GUI to work with the underlying moving target.
Je vais attendre "Monero X" (tu as des liens? Google ne montre aucune occurrence ayant un rapport avec Monero) https://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose#monerox mais pas encore prêt. Ou https://github.com/Jojatekok/MoneroGui.Net (mais uniquement si tu es développeur) |
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Great to see progress on this very awaited feature! Also, a request: I bought items with Monero straight from CCD https://forum.getmonero.org/2/economics-and-trading/212/i-bought-physical-monerojContrary to mymonero, fees are substracted from the amount cashed out (à la simplewallet). Please make them be added instead (à la mymonero). Why? Because I inadvertantly sent less moneroj than expected to the merchant (0.1 monero less, that amount of the fees). I don't expect him to bother, though. By the way, Monero know uses per-kb fees, which I believe you did not implement yet. |
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