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1001  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-11-25 VictoryIndependence interviews Trace Mayer on: November 26, 2012, 12:36:19 PM
What struck me the most about this and other interviews: is it really too hard to explain how the blockchain works? I mean these peoples main issue with bitcoin is a lack of understanding how it works. The think some shit like: "it's encrypted". That's just bullshit, nothing's encrypted. Even Trace talks about encryption and how it's "hard for some to do the math and much easier for others" (he means whoever own the private key). Yet there is no encryption happening at all, just signing, which is similar from a math point of view, but totally different from an application point of view.

How about: there's this public ledger that tracks ownership of bitcoins using a concept called transactions. A transaction sends bitcoin from one address to another, to make one you need the private key of the sending address and the public key of the receiving address. New transactions are bundled into a block by the miners, it's like casting them into concrete. That block is then added to the ever-growing blockchain that contains all the transaction history. Then explain PoW, mining incentive and BOOOM, heureka!

It's not that hard, is it? I wouldn't trust bitcoin if I didn't understand this at least rudimentarily like that. It would be a huge leap of faith to buy into this. Now I think what Trace says when he answers the question: "how have you come to trust Bitcoin?", namely: "When I strated using it.". I don't however believe that's the whole truth. I'm pretty sure he looked at how the blockchain and PoW and mining works and that's why he trusts bitcoin.


Bitcoin is really complex to explain and I think not one person can know which is the best way. The most all of us can do however is try each our own methods and see what sticks, eventually one or two ways of explaining it will win out. Is one of those ways how Trace explains Bitcoin? I don't think so but that's ok because it's part of the process of figuring it out.

For example I really really like his explanation on tangibility.
1002  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-11-25 VictoryIndependence interviews Trace Mayer on: November 26, 2012, 12:33:25 PM
VictoryIndependence (gold/silver bug) interviews Trace Mayer at some libertarian Convention (the entrance fee to which could even be payed in bitcoin as they say).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHVVi7M4jbo

Most notable in my view:

  • Trace explains his view on bitcoin tangibility (yes they are) referencing a recent James Turk interview (where Turk argues bitcoins are not tangible: thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109409.0)
  • Trace argues that bitcoins are not "owned by the individuals holding the keys" and therefore lawyers (and their clients) can do all kinds of tricks with that to "downplay" ones net-worth if needed


wtf is this guy talking about drone attacks? I have a hard time hitting "like" when it smells like conspiracy theory.

yeah, right? I thought: have we dropped so low as to having to resort to spreading FUD to get people to buy coins?

Well technically he isn't wrong, because they did assassinate a 16 year old without trial and they are going to be flying drones above the States so it's definitely in the realm of possible, even if the odds are still very low.
1003  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Competitive analysis of Bitcoin vs Square, SumUp, iZettle, Payleven on: November 25, 2012, 02:33:26 PM
Excellent write up Mike. It's awesome to have a firm understanding of where Bitcoin as a payment system is compared to the rest of the competition, thanks!
1004  Economy / Economics / Re: The pirate-based shitstorm was and is a necessary regulator on: November 24, 2012, 01:00:11 PM
Make no mistake - all this shit that happened is a direct consequence of the state. This is painfully obvious as soon as you agree that we don't and never can have a free market as long as there is a state. Why? Because anonymity and responsibility don't mix.

The state is the reason why so many must hide their identity, since if they want to preserve their safety, well being and wealth, this is the only way to avoid a giant mafia of thugs hurting and robbing them simply for providing a voluntary service to their customers. Were this not the case, non violent ostracization would be made possible as punishment for those service providers that violate their promises and eventually the bad apples would get weeded out. And there are many bad apples.

But being a service provider willing to defraud is not why fraud happens, largely it's still a cost benefit analysis. When your legitimate business doesn't earn you enough to live comfortably but defrauding your clientele would while not really having any negative repercussions for you, there's rarely anyone who possess enough integrity to resist such a temptation. The only thing that customers have here is the hope that the merchant isn't willing to kill his golden goose. And because there are infinite amount of reasons why someone could find it more profitable to kill the golden goose now and run with their customer's money that hope simply is not enough.

You need to know who you are dealing with, it's as simple as that. You need to know their name, their body, their home, if possible their record, their friends, what ever you can in order to significantly increase the cost of defrauding you. I think it's the only way to effectively apply regulations by customers i.e. the only way a free market can possibly function. And until there's a state for most that simply isn't an option and so I do not believe we will be able to solve this, not unless we can figure out a way to create unique IDs and still hide our identity from the government.
1005  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: November 24, 2012, 11:33:55 AM
piuk I really appreciate your service but what I just saw really ins't cool. I realize anyone who knows how to use google can find the same info, but I still don't see a reason why you need to display it automatically:

https://blockchain.info/address/1H4sGgNSRvRuiUsbucsQBNFWhZcLnL2KW1

At least give us an option to disable this in account settings or something.

Actually on second thought maybe it isn't so bad that we get reminded like this whenever one of our addresses is publicly tied to us that anyone can clearly see this. Could you give an explanation how far your labeling goes, does it follow coins or is it just for original addresses tied to a label?
1006  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info - Bitcoin Block explorer & Currency Statistics on: November 24, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
piuk I really appreciate your service but what I just saw really ins't cool. I realize anyone who knows how to use google can find the same info, but I still don't see a reason why you need to display it automatically:

https://blockchain.info/address/1H4sGgNSRvRuiUsbucsQBNFWhZcLnL2KW1

At least give us an option to disable this in account settings or something.
1007  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Interplanetary Currency on: November 23, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
I don't think humans will ever establish a long term settlement on mars, but I love the idea that some people try.

Depends on whether or not there's something there besides dirt that we could use and we can't find cheaper anywhere else.
1008  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to search who own an address ? on: November 23, 2012, 05:59:19 PM
Interesting info here..

I am more on the "find someone by a wallet address" side !  Smiley  Dont have to hide any of the few legit BTC I have Cheesy

What "sides" do you speak of? There are no sides. There are just facts and assumptions.
1009  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to search who own an address ? on: November 23, 2012, 05:13:43 PM
Couldn't they achieve the same thing with a simple donation address. More over why bother? All you can by analyzing the blockchain is circumstantial evidence. As soon as there are a few transactions between the perpetrator and the current owner you can't possibly know if he is the perpetrator or not. You may assume so but you can't prove it.
Typically when people send btc around from one address to another, they start by spreading out the btc, but eventually they tend to be combined into the same transaction much later, showing that they have stayed with the same owner.  So it is very unreliable to hide your tracks with long chains of transactions.  Much better would be to send all the BTC to MtGox, sell them, buy them back a few days later, take the loss from price going up Smiley and then transfer them to a new wallet.  I assume that would hide your tracks.

What you describe again does not prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
1010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Bounty - 10 BTC] Help identify ANY address from the list on: November 23, 2012, 02:21:02 PM
… and so the fungibility is gone. Hope we find a way to make investigations like this pointless for the majority of transactions.

Easy, there is several similar proposals, e.g. Automatic Coin Mixing Idea.
Yes, I knew that thread. It would be a great thing for hot wallets. Cold storage would not work that way though.

I don't see how this remove fungibility.. All anyone can ever do when searching the blockchain and following a certain amount of bitcoins is guess whether or not they remained in the same hands or not. I can't see how you can possibly prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I own an address that I never publicly proclaimed I do.
1011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to search who own an address ? on: November 23, 2012, 09:53:32 AM
You control on what you want to do. Transfer your coins to multiple addresses as many times as you wish. Use online/offline wallets, even split up the coin. After throwing coin around to multiple places its almost impossible for someone to track back. I know some people that have over 50 addresses and "wash" their coin by themselves. Not sure why since they don't tell me what they are doing with their coin. I guess if you mine and get good payouts then transfer to real currency and don't pay taxes on that income it would be "illegal".


Why doesn't one simply open an eStore and use the coins pretending to purchase something from themselves? If they're ever ask point-blank about any certain transaction, they could make up a name/address ect. or politely refuse to give out the info.

Couldn't they achieve the same thing with a simple donation address. More over why bother? All you can by analyzing the blockchain is circumstantial evidence. As soon as there are a few transactions between the perpetrator and the current owner you can't possibly know if he is the perpetrator or not. You may assume so but you can't prove it.
1012  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ANN] Hardware wallet project on: November 22, 2012, 06:31:21 PM
Donations are welcome at 1BitkeyP2nDd5oa647AjvBbbwST54W5Zmx :-). Coins will be used by me and stick to fund&build first prototypes.



If you do this through some intermediary and attach a finished product to a certain amount donated, I think you'll get a lot of funding!
1013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [BLOG] - The Full Faith and Credit of Wikipedia on: November 22, 2012, 04:48:40 PM


I think we need a glossary of tems.

define 'failure of fiat currency'.....  after some googling..  i have no idea!



google Zimbabwe dollar, Yougoslavian dinar, Argentinian peso, and so and so forth.
1014  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ANN] Hardware wallet project on: November 22, 2012, 04:42:15 PM
Video of Reprap printing the prototype ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYW3ks0WwA

1015  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Pay for DDOS Protection with Bitcoin! BlackLotus on: November 22, 2012, 12:46:25 PM
Welcome!

Yeah welcome from me too and just a quick question that I just thought of thinking about all this fantastic news lately of many businesses signing up with bitpay, Jeff, have you given any thought yet to managing your own Bitcoin wallet? I'm asking because, although I think what bitpay does it terrific, eventually I'd hope to see companies hold onto some of the bitcoins they get instead of instantly converting them. Any thoughts on this?
1016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SSL certificates are changing on Bitcoin websites on: November 22, 2012, 12:35:35 PM
I still don't understand why all bitcoin-related websites don't make access via a hidden service a standard feature.
Because those of us not doing anything illegal and not being overly paranoid(*) think that using TOR is inconvenient and slow. 

(*) And that may be a significant fraction of all bitcointers. 

You don't need to have a website behind Tor in order to use Tor to access it and protect yourself as far as I understand it..
1017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I like bitcoin on: November 18, 2012, 11:54:17 PM
I believe I must have the freedom to spend my money any way I choose and that no one can have the ability to either freeze or seize it.

I believe I must have the freedom to retain uninterupted complete control over my money.

I believe I must be able to receive money without paying any fees to middlemen.

I believe once I receive my money there must not exist even a chance of fraud through a chargeback.

I believe no one can have the ability to create more money for themselves out of thin air while the rest of us have to work for it or exchange something valuable for it.

I believe in this day and age of virtually gratis & instant global communications there is no reason why I couldn't be able to send some money to anyone, anywhere, anytime in a matter of seconds and without having to pay enormous fees.
1018  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-11-17 ftd.de - Financial Times Germany - Front page story on: November 18, 2012, 09:25:39 PM
The headline "Das Bitcoin-Virus" seems to be negative to me. Is "virus" a negative word in German? Does anybody know?

Well, yes and no.
Yes a virus is a bad thing. But ...
Here it's used as an eye-catcher. Need to know all about viruses, don't you?

Let me give another example:
Mich hat der Formel-1-Virus gepackt und ich will den Vettel Sepp jetzt gewinnen sehen.
I'm infected by Formula-1-Virus and want to see Vettel winning right now.
Although it's bad in general to have a virus, it is not in this case. As it is with bitcoins.

btw. Fuck you Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton! He dared to overtake Vettel in this very moment.  Cheesy

I think the equivalent expression in English would be to catch a bug, I think: "I caught the Formula-1 bug and I now want to see Vettel win."
1019  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Estimated amount of bitcoin payments for merchants on: November 18, 2012, 04:59:48 PM
Tell your friend that if wordpress thought it was worth their time maybe he should too.
1020  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Trust Building List - Ron Gross on: November 17, 2012, 09:30:53 PM
Removed Patrick Harnett from the list for the time being - he owes people money for too long, and is considered to be in default.

I don't know if your list is a good idea. You giving your own opinion without any guarantees might mislead some people into trusting the individuals on your list causing them serious losses as it happened with Patrick Harnett. I think if you will vouch for others you should so so by offering an insurance. A simple list of who you think is trustworthy is at best worthless.
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