saying "insured for free" is different from 'free healthcare"

first of all free healthcare means if you go on vacation in a different state you can just go to any hospital and not have to check if your covered. you just get treated, no questions asked

also insurance fiddle he actual costs
say a medication costs $1.. insurance companies have deals where they control the 'billing system' of non insured people and try to charge $100 for non insured people. and yet for insured people say the person needs to only pay a small amount of $10.. even when the medication is $1

some non-profit health providers actually are willing to send people on a plane to mexico to buy the medication and fly back because doing so is actually cheaper then having to use the big pharma insurance systems

it does not actually cost $80k for surgery.
think bout it
even if you have a team of 10 people earning $100k a year each working 250 days a year
thats only $400 a day. or $200 for an average 6 hour surgery=$2k full surgical team
equipment and disinfecting is not even $1k so thats $3k

but yep insurance companies will say its $80k and get people to part pay $8k

in short
american insurance is crap. and they make you pay. and if you dont have it they make you pay 10-100x the actual cost

so while you think a $80k uninsured bill for a surgery would cost government $80k. it does not actually cost the hospital nor the government $80 if the government was to cover the costs

so think about that
oh and by the way. dont beleive the 'i am american i want the choice of my healthcare' .. thats false. unless your willing to choose what town/state you are willing to move to. your choice is limited to whatever hospital is cleosest to your home/workplace because in reality thats the hospital your are most likely to get treated at.
also you cant then choose to just go to any random hospital or 'choose your doctor' because you have to be given the one within the contract of the insurance.
so its not a real freedom

in the UK i can go to any hospital. so if i go across the country and have an injury. ill get treated at no cost by the hospital near where i had the injury. no worry about transport no worry about if im covered. if i want to change my family doctor(GP) i can. its as easy as telling the doctors practice that i want to change. thats it. no new contracts or premiums or changes to insurance coverage. i just register at a different practice and that is it

jetcash thinks other people walk horizontally?.. dang i think jetcash needs to wake up
if jetcash needs coffee to sharpen up in the morning then he needs to realise his metabolism is not sharp.
its actually him causing his body to over react by use of caffeine which is something that has adverse affects.
the body actually slows down more when your a coffee addict because your body saves its natural hormones/energy to then only function in high amounts when it senses caffeine in your system

part of addiction is that your body stops functioning best when it doesnt have the thing your addicted to.
what you should do is reduce your caffeine and sugar intake and give your body a chance to rest and re balance to function normally without caffeine
caffeine dependancy negatively affects your body.
remember if your too sick to get out of bed or in hospital with a mask on. you are not going to be able to get your caffeine fix thus your body will go through the withdrawal/cravings of not functioning right

so dont put yourself into a position where you wont be able to 'stay sharp' due to lack of coffee when you are bed ridden/sick

now jetcash. i know your in fantasy land. but boris was busy in parliament yesterday and trump was in the west of america talking about forret fires. they were not in your local morrisons cafe

why are all of your posts filled with fantasy/crazy talk. ?
you pretend to be against liars and fantasists but you seem to be one of the most lying fantasists here. and this is a forum that includes badecker. so take that as an insult to compare you as more of a fantasist than him

oh badecker..
the quote says the survival rate of 99% = death rate of 1%
the 99% is not about symptom free

and when you look at the confirmed cases of 663k cases vs 14k fatalities, its actually over 2%

so even the numbers are not correct in your quote

try to stick to the facts. and not just copy and paste unbacked opinions
its as if all you want to do is promote opinions that match your stupidity if they are wrote by people with titles that make them look less stupid as you. rather then paste quotes of backed/proven opinions

transylvania?
i woulda gone with gremlins.
dont feed them kebabs and curries after midnight

adjuvant in dipshit language = additive to increase effectiveness
adjunct in dipsit language=junk shit they throw in that can cause crappy things

in 'smart brain' language adjunct = a optional/supplement not essential

so i used the correct term for the actual description of the stuff antivaxers think are in vaccines that are not needed/have no positive/essential function

so again. the crappy non essential stuff antivaxers thought were in vaccines based on crappy stuff they found from the 1960's.. is not in the new vaccines in recent decades
adjuncts=crappy non essential stuff

have a nice day

its not about choosing only nutrician(becoming a herbalist/vegan) or only using medication
its about knowing your doctor actually does tests and diagnoses and not just acting as a pill mill giving out meds just by a 5 minute conversation

if your doctor is doing this. change your doctor. he is not worth his salary and should not be getting a good income for his bad work

im not saying avoid doctors. im saying avoid bad doctors.
actually ask to get tested and be diagnosed properly. dont just rely on opinions based on consultations. actually get tested and find out what meds work best. dont just accept the first med they hand out in 5 minutes of a visit

the vaccine they are creating doesnt include al the adjuncts that antivaxers think vaccines have
most vaccines in the last 20 years havnt included the adjuncts that the anti-vaxers say they did. the antivaxers are talking about vaccines from the 1960's as if they are the same batch.manufacturing process as they are now..
hint. they are not

the current vaccines dont have the adjuncts you antivaxers fear.
the current vaccines are being tested to see how effective they are to actually trigger a antibody response and also see how long that lasts. and also to see if the vaccine is a harmless varient of the virus or if the vaccine itself is a replicatable as the virus, thus just as bad as the virus.

in short its the virus identifier 'spikes' but without the replicating rna inside the nucleus. thus it should be safer by default

trump wants to rush his partnered vaccine because he wants the world to buy his partners vaccine nd not have to buy the UK/russian ones which are showing good promise

russia is going to start phase 3 in october on many thousand doctors/teachers and results will come by the new year
UK has started its phase 3 already and might get results by mid november/december
so US which started its phase 3 late july. hoping to get results by late october and approval star of november

this would have given
by november us: 6 months on a few hundred participants and 3 months of many thousand participants
by december uk: 5 months few hundred .3 months many thousands
by january russia: 6 months few hundred. 3 months many thousands

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so if america doesnt pass in november america may end up having to use UK's or if UK doesnt pass then it may have to use russia.

lets hope trump thinks about health and safety to not over rule scientific results to just push US version just to not have to buy uk/russian ones lets hope trump actually listens to the science and picks the one that actually works.. however long that might be

the electric grid companies were running out of coal and wanting to convert to hydro. so THEY started the myths about carbon causing the increase so that they can get R&D grants to make hydro power

the actual cause of 'climate change' is lack of water.
by damming up rivers the water tables have changed. africans lose their farmland and have to walk dozens of miles to the water diverts made by industry. the african 'civil wars' are due to industry taking over their land and damming their rivers. only allowing the water to flow down the large rivers for transport to fit down
thus taking water away from the smaller rivers and streams that used to flow through farmlands

africa's food/climate crises is due to lack of water. heat is the consequence. but the lack of water is the cause due to dams stopping the flow they had 50-100 years ago
you will never see unicef/oxfam advertise this actual cause but the whole reason they are in africa feeding africans is because thats the compensation for the industries messing with their land
yep industry are allowed to damage the land because they know other 'charities' will clean up/compensate for their damage

yep its human caused but its based on less water on land than before thus less evaporation to cool the land thus less rain in those area's thus no cooling.

yep hydro power is a bigger accelerator of destroying farmland by drying out the land.

in places like jacarta they cant use river water so they use underground wells but those water sources are not being replenished. jacarta's land is actually falling. thus its not an actually 'sea level rise' but land subsiding below the water line at the ocean edge

when will people learn water has a bigger impact in the atmosphere than carbon does

and i can guarantee you if the denver/colorado and californian rivers were not dammed. more water would flow to more area's to allow for more evaporation and more farmland to survive. thus a cooler and wetter climate thus less forest fires

enjoy that mind opening thought about the real cause of 'climate change'

the best solution if you cant counter the hydro.. is to desalinate sea water to use on land. which can become the next generation of infrustructure funding

jetcash yet again is sniffing the hallucinagenic supplements and make him go to fantasy land

as for the other posters. lets clarify some things

1. at the moment the supposed 350k potential tests a day is made up by a large amount that involves samples being sent to germany. which is causing alot of issues right now and causing more issues as numbers rise. the actual number of tests achieved is less. and the amount where results are given to the person within 24 hours is even less. so new tests need to be done that can be local and fast.

2. these 'moonshot' tests are where you spit into a little container and it mixes with chemicals and shows a colour if you have it. the issue is if people self test at home they can lie about their results saying they dont have it when they actually do.

3. the current track and trace has a 70% effectiveness of finding all the infectees contacts and whats even worse is of the 70% that are contacted only 10% actually say they have self isolated. meaning the majority of track and trace is actually 7% effective of getting infectee's contacts to self isolate due to both willfully avoiding not telling the service your contacts and then those contacts ignoring self isolation advice

4. it will not become a situation where people door knock on everyones house and test them each week. even if the NHS mobilised more personel than royal mail. it still would not be able to test everyone every week.
think about it the 20 seconds a postie takes to walk up your drive put letter in letter box and walk away. vs the 15 minutes to take a test means it would need 45x more staff
so in no way would it be logistically possible to manually doorknock every house and test them at the door.

if anything. they would send a months worth of tests to each household and hope that people use them wisely.. but or that to happen a hell of a lot of tests would need to be prepared.

thousands of people with no underlying health conditions have died due to the virus.
its really time you start actually doing some research on websites that are not conspiracy idiots

1. you either need more friends.. or is proof that the infectee level is low and not near 'herd immunity'
the funny part is if it was at high herd immunity you would be saying lots of your friends have had it.

2. they dont harvest data. the forms stay with the restaurant and as long as no one was sick in the average 2hour period someone stays at a restaurant that day then the restaurant doesnt use the forms

meaning it will just get binned after a few weeks
only those that came were at he restaurant when an infectee was. would be contacted

repeat for emphasis
the forms are not passed onto the NHS service by default for everyone. they are kept by the restaurant and only used if your visit comes into the time slot of infectee that the restaurant finds out about. the other forms are binned after a few weeks

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and its not 80% infected/immune
try learning math

firstly the amount of people that had the virus is still low. (try learning math)

secondly if a restaurant is informed a patron tested positive for covid and thus other patrons were at risk. then it is the restaurant that then hand over the patrons that were in the establishment the same time.
(not all patron for all days)i know you want to think that all details are handed over to NHS the instant you write it down. but that is not the case
also the one contact number is because the hope is that one contact will then themselves contact the other people they came with.
thus it defeats you 'government surveillance' cries because they are not gathering numbers of all your party nor gathering it when its not needed. nor gathering it for non covid tracing uses
in short if a restaurant didnt have a covid infectee in their establishment the restaurant doesnt hand the number to anyone and is binned in a few weeks

thirdly
restaurants wont ask for home addresses. they only ask for a name and telephone number. so all you need to do is put a realname[or] nickname and a phone number.

fourthly.
its not 80% inaccurate(false positives) its 80% accurate with 20% saying negative when it should be positive
this 20% discrepency is not a test fault. its actually only because some people are asking for test before getting symptoms so the amount of virus in their system is too low to measure, or they have bad hygiene and it has contaminated the sample
having symptoms and testing to see what it is, is a accurate test. getting tested with no symptoms is stupid because the virus may not manifest into anything to worry about in some cases. and may manifest into something but your just too soon to tell. thus wasting a test

this is why in the UK they are trying their best to only test people with symptoms to get the most accurate results which are above 90%

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if you think the majority of people have had it
when that would mean for the last 200 days 320k people had to be infected every day
sorry but not even at the peak was it anywhere near 320k on the most highest peak day.
not even 320k if you were to exagerate a 1000% 'asymptomatic' number
the peak had a 6k. so using your exagerated asymptomatic of 1000% thats 60k
if the peak stayed for 200 days that would 12mill =20%
20% infected at a maximum exageration of constant peak that lasts 200 days
reality is below 10% if you tried to do some maths. even with the exageration 1000% but with using actually daily counts

you dont reinfect yourself by wearing a mask

1. if your already infected. stay home. and recuperate
2. if your home by following point 1 you dont need to wear a mask


17^oC is what science has deemed as a 'comfy' temperature of northern hemishpere western humans
but temperature does not cause 'the flu' temperature is just the varient factor that helps/hinders if a virus/bacteria will thrive in its replication or not. the actual factor of getting 'the flu' is getting it from someone else. so being out in the country, away from large groups of strangers. and also staying clean reduces the risk of viral/bacterial infections far more than thinking heat alone is the causal factor


by doing periodic fasting/starvation. it actually trains your body to try to store previous nutriants/sugars into fat. and then burn the fat overnight/morning. this is natures natural way. but the problem is if you are eating after 6pm the night before (eating then sleeping) that food is not being utilised. and if its sugary it causes spikes in your blood sugar when your body should be settling down. then if your waking up early and needing sugary coffee just to try shaking off the sluggishness. then that sugar is then not letting your body activate the fat burning process.
even the fake sugars(sweeteners) cause your body to taste the sweet. and cause your body to produce insultin ready for the sugar intake. but then not having a sugar intake because its sweetener instead. your body has an adverse reaction to that too..

the best advice is to not eat in the evening but eat in the morning. eating fat in the morning instead of sugary/sweetened drinks actually lets your body know its ok to burn fat because its not getting a sugar fix in the morning and if it needs more fat later then it knows it has some. so it doesnt try to hold onto the fat.

so no food in evening. but a fatty (fry up) breakfast and no sweet stuff
(hint: majority of obese people skip breakfast anyway and have sugary drinks and eat after 6pm.. so do the opposite)

yea people are slow. take jetcash, who seems to be meandering around the news of february 2020, where many were denying the virus was that bad or wide spread.

even today the case numbers of hospital admittances(the important number) is on the increase
back in march government didnt act until it started putting a strain on healthcare. and after the peak they relaxed a little. but jet cash is stuck with that february ignorant mindset eventhough the rest of us have seen what happened in the first wave. he still thinks that it didnt put a strain on the health system he still thinks people only gets a warm feeling and an occassional cough. he is completely ignorant that it causes breathing issues which even if not hospitalised can interupt your sleep and ware you down. and if it gets bad enough to need hospital care then your in for alot of issues.

when will these slow people actually wise up and realise their actions of ignorance can actually put other people in harms way.
its not like they are involuntarilly ignorant. as they are visible and clearly slow on purpose.

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but here is the funny thing
jetcash does actually wear a mask and is actually afraid of the virus, he doesnt want to linger around indoor shopping centres for hours. he doesnt like it when he has to be near people queuing up or having to try walking around people so he gets angry that people are slow, he pretends he is superman, immune to all illnesses. but that is just his way to try to hide his fear of being near people for too long.
reality is he is purposefully acting slow about admitting the virus is a risk. to somehow try convincing himself not to worry about it by acting slow to other people

what he should really do is just stop stressing about the stupid things he stresses about and instead learns the real safety measures so that he doesnt have to worry so much

if he actually realised the 2 metre rule and masks was to REDUCE THE RISK he would know by him doing it he can reduce his own risk. and everyone around him's risk of getting high viral load infected.
by low load infecting, your body has more time and ability to fight it without as much effort. which means less symptoms of the virus and less symptoms of the immune system response fighting it.
meaning less hospitalisations meaning less chance of a full lockdown.

his slowness to actually accept the health advice. is just causing himself to be confused. pretending he is superman but at the sametime fearing that he is mere human

maybe one day he will finally speed up and realise the advice in march-july is actually to protect peoples health
but so far jetcash still seems to be stuck in february ignorance
yet his mind is racing. thus causing himself to be going in circles and getting no where

colonisation is not the big fear its presented as

corporatisation is
many governments are outsourcing public services to private businesses and causing the private businesses to become stronger while weakening the powers of government.

many public services end up costing more tax money but end up offering less actual services to the public. and these private businesses then end up having clauses where the cost to break the contract outweighs any savings the government treasury could make by finding other vendors.

EG imagine a police stations IT that is secured and upgraded by a private contract. if the state governors decided to stop the contract. that private company not only sues the state. but also takes out its IT meaning the criminal records data. leaving the police with just a notepad and pen system.

IBM has taking over local council and police IT systems for some area's meaning. they pretty much run everything. yep that includes the wage budget for council workers and police. this has caused less police officers and more voluntary 'community support officers'

elderly care was al public service. now there are more private healthcare facilities which have doubled the cost of being cared for, while offering less services.

im not worried about the <1% migrant 'colonisation' but i am concerned about the prvatisation of things our tax money suppose to pay for as thats the real colonisation. france has many 'services' that are running in the UK meaning that france is more of a threat then the middleeast immigrants

some of the 'family clinic' doctors that own their own stripmall clinic end up being 'pillmill's just selling anything they can.
they are a completely different category of doctors to the medical profession in hospitals.

if a 'clinic' doctor has given you several varieties of medication but you never had any tests/scans/ blood draws to get a full diagnoses then its time to change your clinic doctor

EG if your on painkillers for a bad back. and after a couple weeks the pain is still there and you are not getting a scan to find out if its bone, muscular or nerve caused damage. then find a new doctor.
some painkillers numb the mind to make you not know/care about the damage. but the damage is still occuring and getting worse
EG if back is imflammed. having a anti-inflammatory would be better than high dose (nearly narcotic) pain killers. but even with anti-inflammatory its best to find out why its inflammed to get to the underlying cause

if your on antidepressants for months with no support to find if the underlying cause is biological or environmental (bad life experience vs hormonal imbalance) then change your doctor

yes some might have a biological factor thats chronic(lifelong) and meds are needed for life. but if you are just given pills just because you mention a problem. but dont have tests to diagnose it. then you might have a treatable thing that can be temporary but instead are just given different meds to make the issue feel like its gone, but still there untreated for life.

some people think that all doctors are pillmills. but the truth is a pillmill professional is salesman. not a doctor
learn to not think of the word doctor as pillmill profession. learn that a pill mill profession should not be treated as a doctor

EG back pain. but told to get yourself a massuease instead of an xray. you can spend months geting a back massage for temporary relief but still having the pain come back. or you can find out the cause and get proper treatment

jetcash. seriously do more research

if the virus is not detected quickly, it has time to replicate and destroy lung cells. causing respiratory issues.
getting high viral load inhaled means more of a battle straight away. meaning even a super healthy person that knows biology well can still get sick and die.

thousands of doctors and nurses that are in high contact roles with sick patients get sick and hundreds have died.

yep even respiratory specialists that know about all the biology and medical stuff still get sick and die.

the secret is to lessen the contact/risk. you cant just wish yourself to no longer be diabetic or old or have heart/blood/immuno issues.
most issues with immune system is the immune system unable to absorb the nutriants it would need. so just eating more wont cause your system to absorb more.

take diabetes
years of too much sugar makes your body stop wanting to absorb sugar. so you end up needing metformin/insulin medication to push your body to absorb more sugar or excrete it.
just eating more sugar wont force your body to absorb more sugar. your body will instead do the opposite.

taking mass doses of vitamins wont make your body absorb it more. your body will just excrete it or cause organ damage

yes having a balanced diet can allow your body to have enough variety to have the nutriants it wants/needs. but without the overdose that can cause adverse effects of trying to reject/excrete/filter out the overdose of nutriants.
you cant just supercharge your immune system above normal human capacity. and you cant in most cases reactivate an immune system that is damaged.

the best aim is to avoid getting high load infected, thus allow your body to cope
analogy: if you want a battle, its better to get a slap from your girlfriend. then get a tough beating from her whole family

better to get 1000particles of a virus that will take 3 days to multiply to 1mill
than to inhale 1mill particles in one breath.
them 3 days can make the difference of having time for your body to respond and stop it going much above 1mill. however 1mill in one breath can multiply to a billion before the same response by which time its too late

i know you want herd immunity naturally. but be smart and actually advocate safe practices of low viral load infections. stop trying to push people into high dose high risk situations

jetcash
many times i have to remind you..

you are british. meaning that healthcare is public funded and there are budgets.
its not an american system for profit.

i know your mindset is stuck on americanised scripts from idiots . but atleast you should use your mind for your own personal experience of british healthcare that you have access to and you might need.

in short
stop getting angry that healthcare is for profit when that is not the reality you actually see when using your healthcare system. you are just repeating words from idiots on websites that you don personally experience.
so stick to the real world of your own experiences not repeating idiots stories pretending that its your opinion of your reality.

only idiots would go to walmart if they are gasping for breath, near death due to illness.
most smart people go to a hospital when gasping for breath and about to die if they dont get treatment
but ofcourse a couple isiots above will think they will get a cure in the supplement aisle of walmart
but ofcourse a couple idiots above think the place to look for sick people is at walmart

and by they way
people dont stay in the lobby of a hospital. they go to hospital wards and lay on hospital beds. so no you wont see dead people in the reception area of a hospital