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1041  Economy / Economics / Re: Found out where all the bitcoin money went... on: September 19, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
The other two companies, Aurora and Aphira, fund their operations by printing shares and devaluing current investors. I consider them to be the spam coin equivalent of the two larger companies. There are dozens of others, these are just four of the largest I consider to be the biggest players.

I should have read all of this before trying for 10 minutes to understand those numbers and how and why they've grown  94.75% in 3 months and  44.17% in six.  Grin

But this is really a weird strategy, they are diluting their own shares if so and most of the money goes on acquisitions...

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In January 2018, Aphria agreed to take over Broken Coast Cannabis, for $230 million in cash and stock
January 2018, Aphria agreed to buy Nuuvera, a Brampton-based cannabis company, for $826 million
In July 2018, Aphria announced it would acquire several South American cannabis companies for about $200 million

and this is only from wiki which sucks at financial stuff.
I really wonder who is putting that money in, 4 billion investment in a company based in a market that might reach 32 billion by 2022 is a bit of overkill.

Part of the reason these companies have to fund acquisitions through share issuance is because they are cut off from a lot of traditional loans and funding by virtue of their business. In the US, for example, none of these companies would be able to get a line of credit or even a bank account because any bank that deals with them would be violating federal law. So they fund acquisitions through the only currency they have available to them: their own stock. It makes sense logically, but it's not something you want to see as a stockholder because your ownership is being rapidly diluted.

As for the market potential, Canada is a very limited market (where these companies are based) but Tilray and Canopy have deals with European countries to export and Canopy is setting up overseas operations for a time when these countries would rather have domestic production over imports, so they are expanding their addressable markets. The US is a major untapped market but I feel like these prices already factor in full federal legalization and a mature market. The valuations are quite lofty.
1042  Economy / Economics / Re: What will you do with the current market? on: September 19, 2018, 03:38:44 PM

Looking at the current market, many people are disappointed in the market price, bitcoin prices stomping at the $ 7000 level, altcoin prices are falling deeply. Recent good news, however, shows that the market continues to grow and has great potential in the future. What would you do this time: Buy bitcoin, buy altcoin or do nothing?

Nobody really cares if the market grows if the price doesn't grow. 90% of people aren't into Bitcoin for the market abilities or the adoption, they only care about the price. And constantly retreading the same $6000 to $7000 path isn't helping those people who are sitting on 60% losses from last year. I think the crash brought a tiny amount of sanity back to the market. I'm not a buyer at these prices myself, I think there's still far too much risk for the potential reward, and the uncertainty of meaningful adoption and/or price appreciation is anything but a foregone conclusion.
1043  Economy / Economics / Re: Found out where all the bitcoin money went... on: September 19, 2018, 03:32:25 PM
Holy cow, I didn't think any of those companies would be listed on any of the major exchanges.  I was wrong--I thought most of these pot stocks were only on the OTC exchange.

Anyway, it's a huge thing in the US now, although my state hasn't yet made marijuana completely legal.  It's a good thing that at least CBD was made legal so far.  As far as those stocks go, I agree that it's very much a fad and I wouldn't touch any of them until everything is settled and they're profitable.  I took a quick look at CGC and it looks like they're operating at a loss. 

Much like the internet stocks in the 90s, it's really risky when a company has LOTS of competition but no profits.  I'm assuming that with all the marijuana companies, there will be only one or two emerging as the leaders and the rest will be bought out or otherwise go out of business. 

Many pot stocks are OTC, however these four are all on major exchanges. None of these companies even service the US though due to federal drug laws, and to my knowledge, no domestic supplier is able to list their stock on an exchange for the same reason. Right now, you have Canopy and Aurora with the two largest production capacities, and CGC received a $4 billion investment from Constellation Brands (a very large liquor maker) earlier this year. Adding to the mania is that Coca-Cola has said they are "watching" this space and a couple other large alcohol companies are said to be weighing the benefits of acquiring one of these marijuana companies after the Constellation deal. (I believe Diageo is confirmed to be actively considering.)

All of that together has made this the new bubble as investors desperately try to FOMO their way into profits.

1044  Economy / Economics / Re: Asians are the most bitcoin holders in the world. on: September 19, 2018, 03:25:54 PM
bitcoin was born in Asia and the majority of users are also Asians. Is it true that the majority of bitcoin holders are Asians. anyone can tell me

It wouldn't be a stretch to assume they are as Asia has more than 50% of the world's population with 4.4 billion out of the total population of 7.4 billion. So a proportional share would also find them having a majority of the crypto holdings. Whether or not this is actually true is another question, as the western world is far richer than Asia as a whole, although finding it to be true just shouldn't be surprising. What makes you say that Bitcoin was born is Asia though? Is it just the name Satoshi Nakamoto, because that's not necessarily a good reason to assume that person was actually Asian.
1045  Economy / Economics / Found out where all the bitcoin money went... on: September 19, 2018, 02:59:49 PM
The newest fad volatile industry: marijuana stocks.

Gains over the last 5 days:
  • Tilray, Inc. 88.14% (112.65 to 211.95)
  • Canopy Growth Corporation 8.15% (50.075 to 54.16)
  • Aurora Cannabis Inc. 54.47% (6.189 to 9.56)
  • Aphira Inc.  7.64% (15.1608 to 16.32)

Gains over the last 30 days:
  • Tilray, Inc. 532.69% (33.50 to 211.95)
  • Canopy Growth Corporation 50.40% (36.01 to 54.16)
  • Aurora Cannabis Inc. 76.42% (5.419 to 9.56)
  • Aphira Inc.  94.75% (8.38 to 16.32)

Gains over the last 6 months:
  • Tilray, Inc. 846.63% (22.39 to 211.95)
  • Canopy Growth Corporation 109.92% (25.80 to 54.16)
  • Aurora Cannabis Inc. 15.46% (8.28 to 9.56)
  • Aphira Inc. 44.17% (11.32 to 16.32)

Yes, legal weed is currently in a bubble. People are being just as stupid here as they were with Bitcoin. Canopy currently has a market cap of $12.3 billion on sales TTM sales of just under $88 million. Tilray is far worse with a market cap of $19.7 billion on TTM sales of $27.6 million. Anyone buying Tilray at these prices is making an astoundingly risky bet for what I consider to be very limited upside. The other two companies, Aurora and Aphira, fund their operations by printing shares and devaluing current investors. I consider them to be the spam coin equivalent of the two larger companies. There are dozens of others, these are just four of the largest I consider to be the biggest players.
1046  Economy / Economics / Re: important point on: September 08, 2018, 02:22:08 PM
government that prohibits bitcoin in some countries. If the government can accept the existence of bitcoin there are some important points in it:
* can pay off the "debt" of the country
* Improve the economy of the people
* Decrease in poverty level
I want to know what you think.

There's absolutely zero reason to expect that simply switching to bitcoin would solve any economic problem. It's not a silver bullet. It doesn't change anything about the economy. That's like saying the US switches to the Peso and suddenly poverty is solved. It makes no sense. Switching the underlying currency doesn't solve anything, it just means all the economic problems are denominated in the new currency now. Literally nothing changes. Bitcoin will not help pay off the national debt, will not increase the economy, and will not decrease the poverty level.
1047  Economy / Economics / Re: Beliefs about money and wealth on: September 08, 2018, 02:14:23 PM
Sometimes not all debt bad for us. If we can use debt for productive activity, debt will be usefull to increase our wealth. Most peoples afraid to speculate and creating their own bussiness because they afraid making debt but if we can use debt with more wise, i am believe debt will help us to improve our bussiness

This is true. Debt for consumption is a strict no-no, while debt for productive uses may be good. Even when debt is used for productive uses, say financing an asset, you have to look at the rate of return on your asset. If the rate of return on asset is higher than the cost of debt, then your overall wealth increases.

Debt that is used to create future economic growth is how total overall wealth grows. Money is just a representation of wealth, and wealth is a function of all the goods and services an economy produces. If someone can create new products or services that the market will support by borrowing excess capital that has been saved by someone else through their own economic production, the economy as a whole grows and is better off.
1048  Economy / Economics / Re: Be greedy when others are fearful... on: September 08, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
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I will tell you the secret to getting rich on Wall Street. You try to be greedy when others are fearful. And you try to be fearful when others are greedy.
-Warren Buffet


This quote is constantly bandied about as justification to invest in Bitcoin, and especially now that there has been some nice price movement in the upward direction. But this Warren Buffet quote is only relevant with the proper context, which is that Warren Buffet only invests in things he has a fundamental understanding of and can quantifiably value. You can confidently be greedy when others are fearful if you have a sound investment thesis and are a fundamental value investor. This is how he turns his investments into home runs, he knows what he's buying and what it's worth and can weather the negative sentiment until the market learns what he already knows. This doesn't apply at all to a speculative investment like crypto. Following this advice willy-nilly is gonna get you burned because you're misunderstanding the intent and the application.

Don't not buy Bitcoin if that's what you want to do, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're following Warren Buffet's advice. Warren Buffet doesn't speculate, and if you're buying crypto, you're speculating.
Lol,  I don’t have any problem with being greedy when others are fearful, the main point is if you are doing that at the right time cause you might just end up being greedy at the wrong time and end up a big time loser.

And by the way,  greediness is a bad thing,  so let’s not use that word,  just say invest and be smart when others are being dumb,  that’s a better word than being greedy. So always try to do whatever you’re doing at the right time and don’t feel like you know everything, cause you might be making the worst mistake.

Yeah, that's pretty much the whole point of my post. Being greedy to be a contrarian isn't actually sound advice, but people interpret the advice from Buffet superficially and don't actually grasp what he's saying. Inherent in his direction is the underlying concept that you have a sound and rationale decision for investing at the time other people are actively fleeing a particular investment; simply buying because everyone else is selling is a terrible idea without a fundamental analysis of the underlying value of the investment, which in crypto is nearly impossible because it's a unproductive asset with no inherent value and the value is arbitrarily determined by consensus. Being a contrarian under those circumstances is actually the worst thing you can be, because being outside of the consensus is going to lose money by definition.
1049  Economy / Economics / Re: Why do you think the market is down right now? on: September 08, 2018, 02:32:33 AM
I think large-scale panic sell is the main factor for bitcoin prices to continue falling. this situation will continue if panic sell continuously occurs when the market is crashing.

Panic selling is the just the other side of hype buying. I would expect that those who are subject to buy solely on hype and wild price swings are just as likely to panic sell solely on price swings in the other direction. In both cases, their actions add momentum to the direction of the price movements and exacerbate what is already happening, making it more likely for that direction to continue. Truth is that hype buying is just as damaging to bitcoin long term as panic selling because it makes the resultant crash all the more likely.
1050  Economy / Economics / Re: The money started coming back to the cryptocurrency market on: September 08, 2018, 02:29:33 AM
The cryptocurrency total market cap is something that fluctuates very often every now and then. As of today, the market has even falling to about $203 Billion from over $240 Billion in about 48hrs ago.

Cryptomarket as a whole is not stable because of the regulation on going for bitcoin and we dont know yet what will happen. So many Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt happening in the market but I believe that the money that came last year into cryptomarket will come back in time soon but we just dont know when. The volatility of the market is not new to crypto so expect big downtrend and uptrend. Just believe in the technology of bitcoin has.

I don't believe the instability comes from regulation but the lack of regulation. There is a lot of manipulation that goes on in the exchanges with fake orders or posturing to make buy or sell walls appear in the hopes of moving the price one way or another. This is illegal on stock exchanges, as fraudulent market manipulation is not allowed. In crypto, it's not, so large price swings tied to this are the result. I would expect with regulation there would come more price stability than less.
1051  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin and Economy on: September 08, 2018, 12:45:57 AM
You're not going to get anywhere if you're trying to avoid paying taxes by transacting in bitcoin. The fiat exchange points are increasingly coming under scrutiny and the government we eventually be able to compel these companies to turn over transaction records. Anyone caught evading taxes is going to have back taxes, penalties, and possibly jail time to answer for. In the US, tax evasion has no statute of limitations, so the government can wait you out until they can eventually get the records. They're not going to go away, and it's just not worth the risk of the penalties you'll face when they eventually catch up to you.
1052  Economy / Economics / Re: why the bitcoin bubble hasn't fully burst | CNBC on: September 08, 2018, 12:42:05 AM
In short, this article talks about research by the economist Joost van der Burgt in the relationship between the price of Bitcoin and Google searches for Bitcoin. This diagram shows the relationship.

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He then said that the reason of "deflated the bubble" was because of the introduction of bitcoin futures.
My take on it is that because of the introduction of futures, that might have deflated the bubble before it got to a level where it might burst completely,

Do you think there is a link/effect between Google searches for Bitcoin and price?
Do you think we will hear "form that media" about the continuation of this bubble for a long time?

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/31/this-chart-could-explain-why-the-bitcoin-bubble-hasnt-fully-burst.html

Certainly there is a connection between bitcoin search queries and price, but it is undoubtedly price that affects the search queries, not the other way around. When the price is rising and the hype cycle keeps constant attention on bitcoin, there is going to be more interest and more searches for it. As the price decreases, interest wanes. People love getting rich, not losing money. Price appreciation drives engagement and price depreciation suppresses it. The author doesn't offer any evidence to support the notion that the price crash was because of the introduction of futures however, only noting that they happened at the same time. That's hardly evidence one caused the other.
1053  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin bubble on: September 08, 2018, 12:36:26 AM
if bitcoin is an bubble, I don't think it will be possible for bitcoin to survive until now, and it won't be possible for bitcoin to be as expensive as this

How can it be bubble think logically, it being 11 years and had it being bubble it would have ended and btc would have disappeared and not reach to the levels of 7k till date. Just any rumors people trying to spread would not be successful and would not be able to make any money.


It's hard to make the argument that the fall from $19000 to $6000 was not a bubble bursting. Anytime something loses 70% of its value and does not recover it, it's a pretty good indication it was a bubble. But that doesn't mean it's not still a bubble, it's just that it has found consistent support around the low $6000s after continually trying and failing to gain momentum from here. It is conceivable that if people continue to fail to make progress, they could grow tired of holding at this price and sell out, putting new pressure on the price.
1054  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin futures and market price on: September 08, 2018, 12:29:09 AM
Hey guys , i have been posting for a while now in altcoin forums but this is my first post in Bitcoin forum.
I am trying to understand the relation between the CME futures expiration and the price of Bitcoin in the market , is there any way to track the amount of futures going in long or short ?

CME futures don't affect the price of bitcoin, bitcoin prices affect the CME markets. It's the inverse of how futures markets are supposed to work. In traditional futures markets, you are trading actual contracts that link directly to the price of the commodity. So if you buy a contract for 100 barrels of oil at $100 each that expires on December 1, on December first you are obligated to take delivery of the 100 barrels of oil. Ultimately what happens as a trader is you sell that contract to someone who actually wants to take the delivery of the oil because they're going to refine it. If the price of oil is below $100 on that date, you're going to be selling that contract at a loss. If it's above $100, you'll be selling that contract at a gain. But in either case, the contract is literally for 100 barrels of oil, and it is settled in the commodity itself (in this case oil), so the price of the futures market directly impacts the price of oil because oil supply is affected through buying selling of the futures contracts.

In bitcoin futures, the future is not linked to bitcoin. You never settle in bitcoin, you always settle in cash. So if you buy a contract for $6000 and the price closes at $7000 on the settlement date, you just get paid the $7000 and make $1000 profit and no bitcoin moves anywhere. If it settles at $5000, the you get the $5000 back but you're down $1000 because you paid $6000 for the contract. But because no bitcoin moves, the price the future contract settles at has zero impact on the price of bitcoin.
1055  Economy / Economics / Re: Digital Money = Cashless Society on: September 08, 2018, 12:21:54 AM
It's entirely unlikely that crypto will be the dominant method of payment in a cashless or digital cash society. The traditional digital payment companies are far superior to anything crytpo has come up with so far. Decentralization just isn't a large concern for the vast majority of the population. It's too technical and too slow. Settlement times may be faster, but actual transaction times are thousands of times slower. You have to wait a minimum of 10 minutes and up to 60 minutes for depending on the level of confidence you want in your transaction. On the plus side, the transaction and settlement time is the same, but in traditional digital payments, the transaction times takes a few seconds. And most people trust the centralized payment processors enough for decentralization not to matter, so the faster transaction time wins. The future of digital payments is PayPal, Zelle, Square, Venmo; not crypto.
1056  Economy / Economics / Re: Why do you think the market is down right now? on: September 08, 2018, 12:17:24 AM
is it all that is going on with regulations?

Big whales just waiting?

People do not believe in crypto anymore?

is it trouble in some countries in ASIA with laws and regulations?

Prices are stagnated because everyone learned a lesson from the bubble last year. When the price does enter a temporary breakout, nobody can be sure they're not going to be caught holding the bag when the bubble burst like happened at the end of 2017. So all upward price movements are limited and quickly reverse to the low $6000 level where people feel there is safe support and it's not likely to fall farther. By comparison, last year when there was a little momentum, people piled on and everyone was convinced that any setbacks were temporary and the price was going to continue higher over the long term. Nobody thinks that anymore.
1057  Economy / Economics / Re: What's going on with Oil prices? on: September 08, 2018, 12:14:50 AM
Oil prices are going up and up in my country.

What is going on???

What's your country? It's almost impossible to speculate on why prices are rising without knowing where your'e talking about. Oil prices are subject to geopolitical considerations, but often times instability in a local market could cause oil prices to rise regionally where the larger market is unaffected. Is it that oil prices are rising in your country while not rising worldwide, or are they rising in your country at the same time as they are rising internationally?
1058  Economy / Economics / Re: blockchain and voting on: September 07, 2018, 11:24:50 PM
Tsubuka, one of the cities in Japan was chosen by the Japanese government become a city of science, and a few days ago, the city government there conducted an experiment to implement a voting system with blockchain.
and the experiment was successful, the voting used identity card verification in a decentralized network typology.

this is an example that blockchain will become part of our lives. blockchain will have an important role now and in the future.

in my opinion, next is Venezuela that will create new innovations and changes in the crypto world.

Venezuela is a dictatorship. Blockchain doesn't work well in a dictatorship because autocrats want control and decentralized systems cannot be controlled. Venezuela isn't going to adopt blockchain in any official capacity and the government will repress any attempts to adopt any type of crytpo currency. Control is far more important to them than lifting the country out of poverty because even when the country is poor the dictator is rich.
1059  Economy / Economics / Re: Bubbles on: August 30, 2018, 05:42:32 PM
Here is a brief breakdown of some of the more famous bubbles in history.

the dutch tulip bubble (1630, first ever recorded)
the south sea bubble (1720)
Japan stock/real estate bubble (1990)
.COM bubble (2002)
USA housing bubble (2008)

Where is the next bubble going to appear. I know the bond market is in a 100 plus bubble and this is where im placing my bets.

You forgot the crypto bubble of 2017.



It's hard to make a case for it not being a bubble with that massive 70% drop persisting for months now.  Essentially, bubbles don't reveal themselves until after they pop. You may suspect a price is unsustainable, but if people could reliably predict where bubbles were going to form or what was already a bubble, they would be able to avoid them. By nature, you don't know something is a bubble until after it bursts. The fact that something crashes and has great difficulty recovering helps to inform whether it was a bubble. Exactly like Bitcoin in 2018.
1060  Economy / Economics / Re: What should we focus on more? Demand or Supply? on: August 30, 2018, 05:34:10 PM
I see a lot of people that are hoarding 100% of their bitcoins, because they believe cutting off the supply, would be enough to increase the price. <mostly speculators>

Would it not be better, if we increased the demand by increasing Bitcoin awareness and convincing more merchants to offer Bitcoin payments?

A 100% hoarding strategy is more harmful, because it cancels all the good work that was done to get merchants to accept Bitcoin as a payment option. A merchant will stop accepting Bitcoin, if their is no demand or transactions being generated for their business from the Bitcoin payment side.

We should actively encourage local merchants to start accepting bitcoins and then we should start supporting them. <No matter how low the price is>

Just buy back the bitcoins that you spend and you will be fine or use money that you would not have hoarded and buy the goods or service with bitcoins. <So when the price increase, you will not have regrets that you spend those coins>

Adopt a 80% hoarding and 20% spending strategy and we will see a massive increase in Bitcoin adoption <Merchants & Bitcoin users >  Cool  

There are far too many bitcoins still being produced for any type of hoarding to constrain supply in any meaningful or measurable way. And you can't artificially create demand for bitcoin. The hype drove the insane demand we saw at the end of 2017 which in turn pushed the price up to the insane levels we saw around $19,000. That was a natural occurrence of the hype driving the awareness and causing people to FOMO into crypto. That's not sustainable, so even if you could replicate that (which I don't believe is possible), it wouldn't do anything but create bubbles. The bubble bursting is why the price is currently languishing. Everybody remembers the hype and that those prices couldn't be trusted to last, so who would want to be buying now without any trust that the price will hold? There's very little spending of bitcoins going on. People are speculating to get rich in USD. There's actually very little comparative interest in crypto as a usable currency.
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