So that may confirm it is a TCP thing... (Delivery)... Since stratum is a separate TCP controller. (Eg data not being "packed right, loosing data, or clipping due to "MTU transmission limits reached". Or a missing terminator or terminator that is being "seen" as part of the submitted data, thus, corrupting the valid, making it look invalid.)

However, even pools with stratum are facing this issue. (They are assuming it is the pool-program, but I have confirmed it is a wallet/miner issue, through every single coin, and the difficulty charts confirm it. The diff for bitcoins should be 18M right now, not 15M still... there was another 20,000GHs added to the network, and no change in DIFF. It just flat-lined at 15M)

Seems 3.2.0 and 3.2.1 have a greater number of rejections of "valid" blocks.

On faster systems, this is multiplied exponentially.

EG, (No other target-block in range) Reject rate about 25-50% submitted 456K, 125K, 214K, 100K, on a 100K rate. (Takes 120K-101K, but seems to reject exact targets, and over-targets, randomly.) Reject rate on a 7K hash-rate, is nearly 75%-80%... Thus, the decaying rates of all scrypt-coins at the moment. (EG, estimated earnings 100 coins returns a real-world earning of only 20 coins. Once again, with no target blocks being the "cause of the rejection".)

This is NOT present with 3.1.0 but that program is no longer compatible with new wallets/servers. Something dramatic changed, and it rejects 100% of those blocks, if it even connects at all. EG, using 3.1.0 and a compatible wallet, this does not happen, but the older wallets are no longer accepted with the network.

This is NOT limited to scrypt mining. This is happening to sha256 also, and I assume bitcoin... thus, the value remaining steady and the "rate" not rising proportionally with the work-load, because the work-load is only producing 80-75% valids that the network is accepting. (Either they are not actually valid, but the miner thinks they are... or they are, and they are not being delivered and confirmed correctly on the wallet/server side.)

Run a test with a difficulty of 7K... Solo, and with a mini-network. (Using compiled windows programs, as I can not confirm these results with linux, where they might not exist. Present on Win7-64bit and Vista-32bit. Same results.)

CGminer 3.1.0 and lower works on wallets versions 6.3 and lower. CGminer 3.2.x only works on wallets 6.4 and higher. (It has been a scramble to upgrade all the networks, and now they are all failing due to this issue. Falling difficulties yielding lower returns than higher difficulties, which results in even lower difficulties and even higher losses. Since even less coins are mined with each lower difficulty, not more, as expected.)

Though it is the same results... "Vista 32-bit" has 50% valid rejects, while "Win7 64-bit" has closer to 80% valid rejects. (Partially a 64-bit incompatability issue? Using calls with invalid LONGS... 32-bit and 64-bit do not operate the same. Seems like one call causing trouble, or TCP delivery failure, making it invalid, when it is actually valid.)

This isn't working with the new version of CGminer 3.2.1 (Lots of invalid submissions that are actually valid "above target" and "not within another blocks find-time".)

The wallet needs to be upgraded to v6.4 code. There is an incompatibility with the new code.

P.S. All wallets now run on CGminer 3.2.1, which is why you may not be able to connect or mine on some coins.

Funny thing is... Trade = sales = losses AND gains.

You don't actually have to sell anything to trade it for a profit. (gold, silver, oil, stocks, bonds, any-mined-coin, baseball-cards, card-games, lotto)

Yes, people buy those too, but they also trade "paper" (nothing) for dollars, based on the value.

In the end, it comes down to this...

What way do you think the market will go? I guarantee you it will go the opposite direction you think, and be 95% right.

The only thing killing coins is, "giving away premined coins"... Without a market, to spend them on, they just cash them in, and "take our value", thus... the owners are giving away YOUR value, reducing YOUR value as the price charts drop, and then, "You own the coin", and are responsible to convince others that it has value, if you want to get value out of it.

Dead coins... there is no such thing... They still exist... Take ownership of them if they are not supported by the original creator. The creator doesn't actually OWN the coin. You want to stop them from "cashing-out", lock-out and invalidate the first set of pre-mined coins, and re-release a new chain without them in it. It is dead, not like they are going to bring it back, or be able to take you over... They failed to support it. If it is dead, it is easy to "take it over".

Check that you are not double-paying us... FTC shares...

The top 10 miners are listed twice...
micabg   10.1936   13854
micabg   10.1936   13854
kayot   7.2063   9794
kayot   7.2063   9794
sbk1   6.8075   9252
sbk1   6.8075   9252
dwqwog   5.6648   7699
dwqwog   5.6648   7699
rqdxrocket   5.4478   7404
rqdxrocket   5.4478   7404

Just wasn't sure if it was a DB read error... or if it thinks there are twice as many of us. (It was only that table.)

But you still earn what you invest, within 3-6 months... Thanks to places like the exchanges and multi-pool.
That is not the case with BTC anymore.

Then a new coin will come out, that actually pays for doing work, not just burning GPU's up and feeding the power company. (Working on that now. It will NOT be a debt-coin. lol. But it will like CPU's GPU's {nVidia included, and Intels IGP}, and also RAM, and HD-space, and Internet-Bandwidth. No wars.)

Like I said... We, the GPU market (the majority), will leave BTC and take our value/debt with us... Thus, BTC will drop until the ASICs have an asic-war, while scrypt-coins all rise. (The established ones, with an actual market.)

The value is no longer in trading scrypt for sha256... That is the transition. We don't want BTC anymore, we were pushed out. The top 2000 ASIC holders can have them all, and swim in them, like scrooge McDuck does with his gold. Without us, they have no value. The markets will adopt whatever pays the most, and BTC isn't paying shit. It is taking everything away.

In the end, it is 340,000 GPU miners, vs 2,000 ASIC miners. (The few who were suckered into paying for the big-guys to produce their ASIC factories, are the ones being hurt. They have no chance in hell at either market. Those buying tiny 5GHs and 65GHs machines while the big guys have made themselves 400THs machines with the money the mini-machines owners paid them. That was a flat-out kick in the teeth.)

Wait for the transition... There is a massive influx of GPU miners, and new ones arriving daily... They won't touch BTC.

Once people stop cashing-out, and let the value rise, it will regain. There is a lot of volume on those coins still. I believe they are still doing a lot of marketing. It is just a bump until the market settles.

It is a great coin to mine, because the diff is real low. Ignore the value NOW... as that is irrelevant to being paid LATER. Unless you mine and cash-out immediately, then you just hurt any future potential. I have been buying Worldcoin, Fastcoin, and Mincoin, while mining the hell out of them all. When values are this low, they only have one way to go... Ok, two... up to invest or to down to hell.

BTW, WDC is actually "normal", if you look at more than just the "last week". It still has a steady volume of trades/sales. But the miners got hit with the same crap that FTC and LTC did. Thus, driven down.

Here you can see the difficulty charts. All the jumps are miners moving here, from BTC... Those with humps, are from pool-hoppers, in massive volume, following these charts... (Like multi-pool does, but in larger volumes.) The ones that dropped and flat-lined, got hit from the upgrade transition to the new CGminer vs wallet incompatibility, and the pump-n-dump team/guy that eventually took-over the lower diff pools. Because that is all he/she/they could handle/sustain for an attack.
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/

I am all over the place, talking with as many pool operators and coin-creators as possible. (Waiting for them to pay me to shut-up soon. lol.)

The biggest mistake they made was pre-mining coins, and giving them away... people instantly cashed them in, instead of spending them... that just drove the value down. They are out of premined coins to give away, most of them... and the ones that died, cashed-out their own premined coins and killed themselves. WDC, MNC, and FST have not done that.

MNC has the highest potential. The lower earning will ultimately lead to the highest value. Just as the cons paying more rewards will ultimately be lower in value. MNC is in that hump, transition, where many still have those easy coins and are tempted to cash-in... those too are almost gone. That is why it is a great coin to mine. It is easy to mine now, but will be real difficult later, which will force the value to rise fast. Just like bitcoins did, when the difficulty went up, and we had to raise the bar to recoup our losses.

Ask BigVern if he can direct some traffic to you. He is online I believe. He is actually rejecting connections now, but they don't have an alternative place to mine. (See if he will kindly add you as an "alternative"... Not hard to show a miner how to setup multiple pools.)

Almost hitting 4 hours... we should have a blast of short-find coins coming... or something is wrong with the difficulty thing. (Might be rejecting actual valid difficulties, thus, causing it to remain lower. I saw something posted about that, somewhere. Not sure if it was a CGminer issue or a wallet/server issue. But someone was saying something about changing some value from x0000000000000000000000ffff000 to x0000fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff or something like that, related to accepting valid shares or valid blocks.)

Unless the moron is still trying to invade the chain, and just failing, but causing enough of a degradation to the submitting of valid blocks. (False transactions? Doing the stalling again... I forget what was done with BTC to fix that, but I think that needs to be done for scrypt too. Since it is obviously more sensitive to that stalling than sha256 is.)

Or is the delay because dwqwog was essentially mining by himself/herself?

P.S. They had a long delay too, with 100x the man-power... Then hit block after block there... within 10-25 min apart.

Because without competition, the "spirit of freedom" is dead.

That is why it was made open-source...

Turns out that people actually LIKE to own a variety of things, not just one thing. (Why use BitCoins, alt-coins or dollars at all? Is your money broken? Why, because you can. Because it is another variety of funds/value which you can obtain.)

Who cares why... You might as well ask why people eat, drive, dance, watch "The view", or masturbate... We do it because we can. To make you ask, "Why do you do that?", to piss you off, to screw with the nature of order, to shift our losses onto someone-else, to make personal gains at others expense...

What was the question again?

So... you hit two blocks, then have to upgrade to a 256-bit OS with 512GB of RAM and a 256TB hard-drive... just to see your wallet balance!

I hope to hell that is a 64-bit floating-point number...

So... at the rate of mining, the value is equivelant to $0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 per coin. As if there were not enough micro-transactions... Now we have Micro-Nano-transactions! Do you even have decimals? so the smallest unit to deliver is... $0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 <-- Like you can notice the extra 7 decimal places. lol.

Did you model this off the "Zimbabwe Dollar"... ("A 100-trillion-dollar bill, it turns out, is worth about $5.00 USD", Now it is worth $0.000000000001, unless you buy it on ebay, then it sells for $1.00)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576314953091790360.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_dollar

OOps, yes... Sorry, I have been jumping around manually today.

I am trying to herd people to MultiCoin... Slowly though, until that other server is up and running.

The troll-boxes are good for something! lol. Though, I kindly wait until someone mentions FTC, or one of the other coins here on the pool.

Gotta hit the newb section in the forums next.

Yea, they are upping the confirms too... Reloading the entire chain, (past the point where the invasion occurred {if backed-up regularly}), should show any "orphaned", that "made it" as being legitimate. (Some will never be legitimate, because part of the bad chain, was real, before it was hijacked.)

If you notice more orphans coming... Try disconnecting, reloading a backup wallet, and reconnect until it gets the correct connection with the valid chain. (Eg, backing-up after this next loading, if you stop the chain before that screwy block... EG, not letting it load all the way up until now, backing-up that partial chain to save time.)

Detection warning...
1 orphan = normal
2 orphans = abnormal
3 orphans = rare (possible invasion)
4 orphans = Full-on-attack, Game on!

Apparently you don't even need 51% to do a 51% attack, when you have the "good luck". Looking like this was done with a simple "stall" of legitimate pools, and also a "hijack" of a double-block-find... One after the other, by stalling the pools blocks with invalid data. When you get bored, you look at the block-chain in detail. lol.

Come swim in the deep-water of the FTC pool... Just don't pee in it, or we will all leave again!

P.S. Announce on the forums, for LTC that your pool is up and working... There is a mini-army looking for good pools right now. Google will find your post for them.

The Feathercoin chain is fixed...

FCpool fixed it by defeating the attackers chain. (They are being attacked by the guy now.. lol... Fouled his plans, now he is butthurt! EG, don't join that pool, it is going down every few minutes while that guy attacks them, join this pool when it gets running again.)

You got two confirmed blocks... why did you stop?

I see others connected... am I just being rejected for some reason... it sucks solo-mining all day.

People are buying them, because they are using them to buy things.

When the price falls, they get more coins... Why would they NOT buy them? If you were told you could get 3000 burgers today, or wait until tomorrow and get 4000... would you NOT buy the 4000 if you wanted burgers?

Why, because this coin is marketed, unlike many of the scrypt-coins which are just diversions to distract the idiot pump-n-dumping morons who normally cause trouble on the BTC chain. They trade expired labor for expired labor... lol. (Talking about the unmarketed coins. Not the marketed scrypt-coins.)

Marketed scrypt-coins (No perticular order.)
- WorldCoin
- LiteCoin
- DigitalCoin
- BBQ-Coin
- MinCoin
- LuckyCoin
- NovaCoin
- BitBar
- Nibble
- MemeCoin (Yes it has a market. Meme's.)
- SexCoin (Yes, it is still alive and being sold/purchased off-market, to reduce the pump-n-dumper moron damage.)

Unmarketed
- FeatherCoin (Was intended as a CPU alternative to bitcoins, now raided by all the GPU's. Hit the hardest by the pump-n-dumper, since it had one of the lowest diffs.)
- FastCoin (An ADD coin, for the impatient to mine.)
- CHNcoin (China-coin for Yuan? Might be marketed in china. Yuan to USD is dropping fast, so not worth any US investment, unless you get it when it peaks low.)
- Phenix (Misspelled Phoenix? lol. They live there, and they still misspelled it! Obviously a failed attempt to be creative.)
- HyperCoin (The other ADD coin, for the impatient to mine.)
- Franko (Good old Franko... You can buy his old socks and underwear with the coins, guaranteed... and also possibly a few ounces of Oregano.)
- PowerCoin (Yes, we are all making the power-company lots of money, this coin is just doing it faster than others.)
- ElaCoin (OMG Ellen has a coin! NVM it's Ela, the Enduser-License-Agreement that drains your wallet.)
- AmericanCoin (Made in china. Nuff said. CHNcoin trying to capture both markets. It's as american as... Pizza, as hot-dogs, as Indians... Oh wait, those are all foreign things from other countries too.)


Any other not listed... I would assume has zero-market also... Or is dead in the water.
http://www.coinchoose.com/

More coins and "markets"....
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/
http://dustcoin.com/mining
http://www.wheretomine.com/

It is still running. There was a 51% attack here too... Though, I thin the one on fastcoin is the most annoying one... It is up to 856,000 fake blocks there... lol. (All alt-coins are getting bombarded with a major influx of miners leaving BTC. You can see the rise, since the diff hit 15million in BTC... on all alt-coins. The ones with flat-lines had natural 51% attacks. www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/)

Keep mining it, and holding-on... Only if you have the machines to spare. Launch to the exchanges was premature. I won't let it die, if I have to sell my body for coins, to make it live... (Might not be a good idea to do that!)

Has anyone tried talking to asstr.org, or literotica.com?

It doesn't matter if it is traceable... they are all held by the same person... and invalid... thus, why they do it. It is detectable, because it always fixes itself. It would not matter if they used a custom program, they are not the only ones mining, and us, with the valid programs... would not be assisting them.

However, the end-result is that miners leave, prices fall, the market gets damaged, and we all loose, not just the person they scammed out of the double-spends.

Ok, I have added all I can add...

Anything beyond this point is just me adding confusion. lol...

Hopefully someone will see this, and it will trigger something in the dust-factory, that can be implemented, or discredited from implementation, in the future. Until then, I am back to being at the mercy of mining blind, with no indication whether or not my efforts will actually be paid-off for mining. (Switched to another coin for now... let the rest loose or win, at the programmers expense.)

You would think the pool-operators, making all this money would spend less on glitter and glow, and put more directly where it benefits them the most... into preventing and stopping losses from this crap. As a solo-miner, I just move to another coin.

Additional addresses in a wallet, are just that... additional...

The first one generated, is NEVER shown to you... you only see the 2nd one, which displays in the list of address.

The hidden one (not sure if there are two hidden ones)... holds your "CHANGE" and your "Miner receipt address", if you mine. Change is what happens when you spend 0.5 from an address that has 1.0 coins. It spends the whole 1.0, but returns/moves the other 0.5 to your change-address, which is instant. (You only see the end-result, of 0.5 spent) That is how you end-up with a lot of "dust", which causes things like your next 0.5 transaction to be built off the many change-address coins, to total 0.5 from 0.000121, 0.02122, 0.011223 etc... suddenly asking you to pay a fee of something crazy, like 0.04238 to send it, because it is merged from all those mini-change addresses you don't see.

However, I believe the mining address is only one address, used over and over. (That is what I see in my mined blocks. Unless I am seeing a psudo-address in the blockchain.. I never tried sending coins to that address, for fear it night break my miners or my wallet, since I think it only "expects" that address to contain the "block reward".)

In any event... it should be detectable in code, as it is visually by us... and acted upon, by the network itself... As opposed to the half-assed solution of... let it build until it can't be sustained, and then fall and collapse... without telling the miners if they are on the good-end or the bad-end of the chain. It is detectable, because it can be invalidated, or it would remain in the chain, and never have caused an orphan in the first place.

Naturally, they only survive a few blocks... Thus... the imposed suggestion of the forced "8" limit...

You don't select the "wallet address" to mine with, unless you use multiple wallets. It is the wallets address, not an address you normally see. (The change address I believe.)

Even still... you can not "manage" multiple blocks as one chain, from one client. The way you "dominate" is by having a HUGE army of more than 51%... you would need two of those, to build up a chain with two addresses. The point is, it is a 51% attack, thus, all blocks are one of those addresses. Detecting orphans is instant... If YOU mine and it shows as a "transaction", but there is no actual transaction... that was an orphan block... You have to use the command-line to find that actual transaction, it does not display in the GUI list. That is when you "check the block-stack", to ensure there is no double-spend. If there is, you throw out that block-stack, and get a new one from some other client. (It should be doing that anyways, but it just keeps building off that same source-block, trying it over and over, and failing... Orphan after orphan... Unless it is actually building on the "real block", which will later become non-orphaned, and just show-up in your wallet at that point. But it never tells you... Invalid chain detected on network, building on new chain. or ignoring invalid chain. "Thus, reassuring you that your orphans are not just wasted processing time.")

If he/she HAS to get a new ID in the block-stack, that is not his/hers... that instantly invalidates the "fake chain/block" they created. It only LIVES if they are able to keep stacking onto it, with machines they own, using the same ID. EG, no solo miner (single machine) could ever attack the network this way. (I solo-mine, with all my machines, on one wallet, thus, I am my own pool. I could do this with 25%, not 51%... but it would not last long enough to do real damage. )

You can SEE the "recipient" of the mined coins. The address is the first one in the block, that is who mined the coins/block. If you couldn't see it, you couldn't "validate" the transaction for that wallet-address. (That s how they KNOW who created the orphan-chain... They sustain the chain to hide a fake-spend or a double-spend, until it gets them what they want, and then they let-go of the chain, and the fake transactions disappear... thus, coming out of someones wallet, as that was not a "valid" receipt of funds, as they don't exist on the real chain.)

We build the NEXT block, off that block... (If that block is fake, that person is creating the next one, and the next one, and the next one... not us...) Thus, they are all one address, and can be "ignored" by the network/wallets, which gives the miners the work/jobs.

It is not difficult to "record the last 9 addresses from the blocks creator", and if all 9 are the same, you ignore them and look for another chain to "build on". (Since that would be a fake one.) Or, in the event that it is all from "one pool", thus, "one address"... that forces any other miner to make the next "single" block... Which could be the pools "other wallet", which would never be noticed, by anyone other than the network.