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1141  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 19, 2018, 05:10:48 PM
I don't see any connection either way.  Certainly when bitcoin was $2, it was just geeks mining and a few people taking punt.  Big money didn't get involved until 2013 at the earliest, since then technical has been far more important than fundamentals.

Well, in 2013 the U.S. stock market went on a massive bull run/rally, peaked in Dec 2013, then went sharply bear in Jan 2014.

So did the Bitcoin market.

Then in 2017 the U.S. stock market went on a massive bull run/rally, peaked in Dec 2017, then went sharply bear in Jan 2018.

So did the Bitcoin market.

If you can't see that direct correlation, then I can't help you man. It's all about long money vs. short money, and smart money vs. dumb.

I would agree with you on technicals though, as the Bitcoin fundamentals haven't changed since 2012 so they don't really matter. I don't really consider SW and LN as a huge change to the fundamentals, as the utility and SoV function has been there all along.
The difference is the increasing volume in the Bitcoin market. Perhaps not this round, but in one of the next two rounds I could see actual hedging of stocks through crypto. Most people today still didn't get what Bitcoin is about and still think of it as a ponzi/bubble.

Furthermore, stocks were stable leading into summer and started climbing around mid to late summer. So anyone who sold some Bitcoins near the top would've made some decent profits in the stock markets. Hence, the lack of a perfect correlation creates opportunity.

We still don't know if Bitcoin or the stock market will enter the next rally first either. Any delay of one asset class would create further potential for profits.
1142  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 15, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
THEY SHOULD MAKE ONE FOR coiners and nocoiners as well......

or BTC'ers and Bcashers etc

 Roll Eyes


Apple just announced emojis for BCashers.

the little shit image got a B on top of it ??
They're for disaBled people. Roll Eyes
1143  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 15, 2018, 10:52:17 PM
THEY SHOULD MAKE ONE FOR coiners and nocoiners as well......

or BTC'ers and Bcashers etc

 Roll Eyes


Apple just announced emojis for BCashers.
1144  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 13, 2018, 02:02:01 PM
You really are a dick sometimes.


Surprised you haven't Ignored him yet, TBH.

Makes this thread much more "sane".
I did for a while, but wanted to give him a chance. But even though I like hopium, his unrealistic one sidedness is old.  Re ignored...


"one sidedness"  Get off of it.

You conclude that you have a more objective and presumably "enlightened" perspectives?  or that you have some kind of charitable attempt at understanding various perspectives, but apparently you are lacking yourself with a bit of tolerance or ability to control your own emotions.

In other words:

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I think you've got the right idea long-term, and at least some (I don't track all) reasonable price guesses/predictions. But in one of your post you stated that we weren't in a bear market, which from a technical aspect has been wrong for more than half a year now.
It just so happens that market cycles in crypto are like those of stocks on crack in the sense that the time scale gets shrunk. And while you could argue that we were in correction territory around 10~15k, we've most certainly been in bear territory at least until very recently where you could argue a flat market (past 2-3 months).

The oscillations have been getting much thinner though, so I wouldn't be surprised if we were going to break out either before Christmas, or sometime around Spring. Unlike some others, I find it highly unlikely that we'll bear all the way to 2020ish.
I'm not sure if you're the overly optimistic perma-bull that some seem to make you out to be (since I haven't tracked this thread enough to say anything) or if you're just using clumsy terms to describe the situation.

Either way, nothing wrong with bear and sideways markets, just need a different strategy which arguably makes the whole deal more fun.
1145  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2018, 10:35:52 PM
More red dildos at The Wall.
1146  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 12, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
With stocks crashing by as much as 40% we might just see the next Bitcoin rally soon, for which the last sell off could end up being a bear trap. How is the long volume developing?
1147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: █【ANN】【DAPP】█ 🌟🌟🌟 BLOCKLANCER 🌟🌟🌟 ██ JOIN GIG ECONOMY BOOM on: October 05, 2018, 04:17:30 PM
Hello guys. I just want to remember you that your choice with Blocklancer was excellent  Smiley
As it seems, Blocklancer will be the only freelancing project that will survive this bear market and they are improving every day!

Coinlancer -> officially dead
Boon.Tech -> officially dead

The competitors of Blocklancer hve been totally destroyed. Only Blocklancer is left! #HODL until the next bull run!

Honestly, I see no reason to be optimistic with this platform. So far no one has sold more than two gigs, assuming they are real sales, it seems no one is really interested in using the platform right now. I think if they want to attract users they should allow to buy gigs with credit card and PayPal, if not, people will still prefer Fiverr.
I don't think payments are the issue. There just aren't any real jobs right now (just people asking for jobs). And it takes a while to build reputation as a place to spend your money at in exchange for services. It's still in beta as well until next year as far as I'm aware?
1148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 05, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
but   but

muh smart contracts
badger badger badger badger
1149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 05, 2018, 03:54:47 PM
OT : Jim Cramer slipping up and showing his hand again, showing us the underlying corruption that is Wall Street:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/04/cramer-reveals-the-10-telltale-signs-that-could-prolong-the-sell-off.html

Quote
"There's a very common trajectory when the market's going down. First, the analysts will try to keep recommending stocks and they're going to be completely ignored," the "Mad Money" host said.

"When they raise their price targets or even upgrade from 'hold' to 'buy' and no one listens, they're going to switch directions and they're going to start downgrading," he continued. "When those downgrades stop sending stocks lower, then you'll know a bottom is at hand. But we're not there yet."


Oh, so what you're saying Jim is that the analysts upgrade from 'hold' to 'buy' merely to get Average Joes to be the final bagholders on the way down? (Not because the stock is actually undervalued?)

And when that corrupt tactic doesn't work, then they reverse to 'sell' to cover their asses (and start shorting)?

Un-fucking-believable.  Roll Eyes Can't believe that he can even say this with a straight face.
How many people watching/reading/listening do you think actually understood the implications? And how many will keep walking into the same trap?
1150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 05, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
@ICORating:

We want to introduce our new general security rating of centralized exchanges. Visit the exchange page and check stats: https://goo.gl/GLvvsi  





I wonder how they assess 233 exchanges for relative security with any accuracy that is meaningful. 

Do they phone them up and ask if they have a 'hack insurance' policy?  And a good guard dog..?
Pretty sure they just make up shit so they can create a site that gets decent amounts of traffic. Just like politicians and bankers.
1151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: October 04, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Where are we on the VISA card?
As of today's live stream from the Malta conference: Later this year. Or in other words more delays.
1152  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 03, 2018, 08:50:06 AM
The fractal says a low of $3,800 in January 2019 but let’s wait and see.  It won’t be an exact match and lots of whales will be aggressively trying to chop up the market.

Fractals are quite subjective - maybe even moreso than other forms of TA.

https://medium.com/@coinobs/bitcoin-fractal-the-bullish-scenario-37f5dae1384f

Thanks for that link, infofront.

I was a bit embarrassed to ask what the fuck a "fractal" was.  hahahahahaha... but apparently, fractals are convincing phenomena in the eyes of some folk.  
They appear all over the place in nature, so it would not be surprising at all if they matched financial markets as well. The thing in finance and trading however is, that people just draw random charts without even understanding the Mathematics behind their favourite indicator and then end up spewing something of equal value as a horoscope.


P.S. Look fractals up in detail though. The non-finance fractals are a gorgeous (if visually represented) and mind-bending structure.
1153  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 02, 2018, 12:23:59 PM

That is not that bearish prediction, but totally reasonable one. You need to understand that bull market forms very slow and only after old ATH gets reached escalate. But what concern me much more is the next economic crisis. It might strike in middle of the next Bitcoin bull run and breaks it. Something as it happened in 2008 and is predict to be much bigger this time since it will also involve China, could delay Bitcoin bull market for whole two years.
First off, past performance doesn't predict the future. And secondly, it is a bearish prediction if you consider the snowball effect of user growth, which implies accelerating growth of capital up to some saturation level.
1154  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 02, 2018, 12:19:50 PM
Quote from: Amazon
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TIL.
When I first started to learn about bitcoin, I read this
Quote from: Datskovskiy
It was then that I suddenly realized exactly what had led me to pick up programming when I was young, and to continue studying every aspect of computing I could lay my hands on. It was the notion that a computer could make me smarter. Not literally, of course – no more than a bulldozer is able to make me stronger. I thirsted for a machine which would let me understand and create more complex ideas than my unassisted mind is capable of, in the same way that heavy construction equipment can let mediocre biceps move mountains. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8
and was hooked.
Used to be at best indifferent to computers, all the while dumbly praising cars 'because it's a tiny bit of freedom in this world'. Now I've realised these machines can help us fully regain our sovereignty. With the help of course, of the other people 'in bitcoin'.
That is almost inevitably where technology is leading. Costs are on a steady downward path and eventually things will be so easily accessible that you'd have to be beyond retarded to go down some fuckwit path that could risk your livelihood in a world of abundance.

Sure, there's still likely going to be classes of people, as there are always those that push in any specific direction much more rigorously than others. But that's perfectly fine and nobody would even think of making an issue out of it when the bottom of the barrel can satisfy all their relevant material desires and thus stay in perpetual distraction of the results of their laziness.

Let's not forget that even many poor people (in a proportion I am unaware of) are living far better than kings did not very long ago already.
1155  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2018, 04:37:30 PM
In all trading markets, there is no more true price or value discovery based on supply/demand anymore.

There are only two things : technicals (bot trading) and the media "narrative" du jour to support the technical trading.

That's it. (Hint: just look at the 1m chart, that literally shows what all the worldwide Average Joe retail demand there is on any given day. It's a ridiculously pitiful, miniscule amount).

So what do you think will be "the narrative" will be when Bitcoin's technicals turn over to start a new bull run?

Is there even a real narrative in the MSM? I don't think I've really read any article that was relevant or even interesting. Always hype or doom with some fluff that is quite often just flat out wrong. Seems like the only thing they're good for are figuring out when to dump a few coins or buy some more.

I've long theorized that the MSM "narrative" for Bitcoin has always been and always will be negative, primarily for two reasons:

1. Wallstreet doesn't own 90%+ of all bitcoin (like they do with tech stocks), never will, therefore they don't want to promote it (i.e., they can't game the system therefore they are disinterested anyway).

2. The whales that are interested in the Bitcoin market don't want Average Joe to find and buy the bottom. If they can keep up the negative narrative around Bitcoin, they can say "Stay away, there is no good time to buy!". They only want the public to buy the next ATH in the last few weeks and be bag holders.
That seems pretty much point on. Especially the second point, as whenever MSM starts hyping Bitcorn a reversal is usually just around the corner.
1156  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
In all trading markets, there is no more true price or value discovery based on supply/demand anymore.

There are only two things : technicals (bot trading) and the media "narrative" du jour to support the technical trading.

That's it. (Hint: just look at the 1m chart, that literally shows what all the worldwide Average Joe retail demand there is on any given day. It's a ridiculously pitiful, miniscule amount).

So what do you think will be "the narrative" will be when Bitcoin's technicals turn over to start a new bull run?

Is there even a real narrative in the MSM? I don't think I've really read any article that was relevant or even interesting. Always hype or doom with some fluff that is quite often just flat out wrong. Seems like the only thing they're good for are figuring out when to dump a few coins or buy some more.
1157  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2018, 11:58:40 AM
I haven't done the full Math on this, but isn't that a back and forth kind of game (due to the presence of traders and speculators)?

Correlation vs Causation.  This is the Captain speaking.  If there is a statistician on board, please press the call attendant button to identify yourself to the cabin crew.  
From that perspective you can spin the argument up from both sides. The price is a result of the difficulty, as it dictates the supply. The cause that you speak of can be arbitrarily picked here. (Infinite difficulty = no coins = no price, hence the presence of a difficulty creates a price)

Except this isn’t really accurate. Difficulty adjusts both up and down. With a low enough difficulty I can run the entire Bitcoin network on my 2009 laptop.  Any decrease in supply due to a rapid decrease in hashrate is inconsequential on a multi year time line.
I should've clarified that I meant the initial difficulty for the genesis block. A difficulty so high that no coins can be mined results in no coins and thus no price, and a difficulty so low that arbitrarily many coins can be mined by anyone would result in a price of zero. Hence, the difficulty came first, and the price came after. Even without these edge cases, you need to mine coins first before any price can be set though. Alas, you can spin this up either way by including or excluding exotic scenarios.
1158  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2018, 11:02:50 AM
^
Haha my GF just says wtf people might think thats are home  Roll Eyes
(Its a very alternative looking place) but its the best lol  Roll Eyes
Do I spy a cutie? Good catch.
1159  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2018, 10:45:33 AM
Just saw the artikel of the HUBLOT big bang blockchain watch.....
this could be something i like

I think i did was the article as well around here , didn’t iT ?

Good to see its going more and more mainstream  Grin
The article was posted around here yes, the watch seems to be quite nice looking too. I just don't like sending my passport around when I go shopping.
1160  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2018, 10:44:29 AM
I haven't done the full Math on this, but isn't that a back and forth kind of game (due to the presence of traders and speculators)?

Correlation vs Causation.  This is the Captain speaking.  If there is a statistician on board, please press the call attendant button to identify yourself to the cabin crew.  
From that perspective you can spin the argument up from both sides. The price is a result of the difficulty, as it dictates the supply. The cause that you speak of can be arbitrarily picked here. (Infinite difficulty = no coins = no price, hence the presence of a difficulty creates a price)
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