"Help while having fun"
I like this one!!! Failure is part of our lives and we mainly accept it as something bad and inevitable, then we are seeing the fun part of it (like FAIL compilations). The slogan should be probably in that specific order (i.e. using help first and fun after that). Thanks! Any other suggestions? |
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For me I have a opinion that combining words like fun and help that must have a good meaning and easy to understand by the people so I recommend "making fun by helping others."
Doesn't that also sounds like "making fun with the ones we help"?  How "creating fun while helping others" sounds? |
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Funny for helping , because doing trading altcoins is so funny at same time that is very helpful in our financial and especially for increasing your income and i think that is so relevant slogan.  It doesn't sound right. I think that synonyms of fun and help should be used, but my English is not that good to put them in a short sentence. That's why I need some help. |
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You're not obliged to use facebook. I don't. I don't use any centralized social medium, apart from forums, where I discuss the subjects of the forums, but do not involve my personal aspects. But it are exactly these things which will end up getting decentralized. It will take time. And like the barbarian countries basing their power still on religion, of course centralized spying social media will continue to exist, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE COMPULSORY. That's the whole point. With freedom comes the freedom to give your freedom up, of course.
Facebook was just an example. It is a fact that 25% of the humanity is using it. I'm not obliged to use my cell phone either, but it is something we need. "They" could always track you down. It is a conspiracy matter, but I've heard that agencies have satellites with which they basically can read your book/newspaper you are reading on a park's bench. I'm a scientist. I can tell you, because solving these problems is harder than some charlatans may let you think. Cars don't run on water. That's not a big oil conspiracy, it is because it doesn't work. There are a lot of diseases that can be cured, and still many more that can only be cured by killing the patient. Believe me, science is about the most robust distributed system that has ever been built. Of course it is also full of fraud, deception, scam and everything, but IN THE END, the scientific method prevails. Of course, states can push scientific development in one direction or another by financing, but they cannot invent bogus science, or stop scientific truth from being revealed in the end. They can eventually hold back something temporarily, but because of its distributed nature, science cannot be locked up in any cage.
I agree. Cars running on water was again just an example. There are a lot of charlatans, but I think it's safe to say that a lot of technologies have not seen light, because of "some interests" (oil, drugs, weapons). Science can be "locked up". I think you will agree if I say that the majority of the humanity doesn't know how much we are advanced at science and technologies. That would scare the "sheeps" and made them think more. Science is one of the oldest ways to control people (priests, wizards...). When you start saying that "people should this or that", cold statist shivering runs across my spine...
I am saying these things, because it is the reality. It doesn't really matter what are our thoughts about the situation. Our personal opinions won't change the fact that we are indeed controlled... one way or another. |
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What is the purpose of your coin it might help in phrasing a slogan ?
Edit: I see it is called Fail coin
What about "Failing in fun?, let us help"
"Fail to find help?, have some fun instead"
"Failing is fun, help me to fail"
"Failing is fun, help us to fail"
Heya, FAIL is being developed as a community project (i.e. something like FailArmy (but not only) with it's own cryptocurrency). I'd like to think of it as part of the comedy genre of cryptocurrencies (i.e. if Bitcoin is the movie industry, FAIL could be the comedy genre), but not only. Funny part would be tipping/rewarding funny videos and the helping part will be to help people (for examples via social experiments with homeless people, funding struggling projects which goals are good for the humanity). I am thinking about putting the slogan in the logo so it should be something short, simple and.. brilliant. Fun by helping (like amacar2 suggested) sounds good, but I feel it needs something more... |
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Come on, guys. Any other suggestions?
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It is too early in the game to know. I mean, hardly a million people ever used Bitcoin as a currency. Very few use it regularly. However, there are a few things that you ought to remember:
1. The people who regularly use Bitcoin as a currency has a specific use-case like financial privacy and autonomy that cannot be replicated with regular money/banking systems. They will continue to use Bitcoin or a cryptocurrency like it.
2. Historically, money has almost always been formed by markets, not governments. As late as 1800s, government bonds were considered riskier than corporate bonds. Governments didn't have anything to do with the creation of money. In the modern day system, banks (and to a smaller extent central banks) create new money. This is a relatively new system. There is no reason to think this is better than thousands of years of markets determining money.
3. Even if Bitcoin isn't used as everyday currency/money by everyone, it is possible to be abstracted away. How many people know about the pipes connecting continents or BGP negotiations at countries' borders when they open their Facebook app?
I agree with you. That is why I gave examples with the fiat money (~1000 years of existence) and some of the banking code (~50 years of existence). But that is why I've implied that people should only know the basics of cryptocurrencies. |
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I didn't say that science killed religion. Science killed STATE religion (not entirely, there is still a part of the world living in that barbarian state, and this is where we get a lot of troubles from but they have a lot of oil), as its pillar of power.
No, it did not. There are also some african countries with state religion. How about european countries (England)? We are still talking about 100s of millions people. If Bitcoin had so many people involved, oh boy, the price would be probably $1Mn/coin. We are removing, one by one, the pillars of this. Science has taken away one pillar. It could not be killed because it was a distributed system. I think the internet has taken away another pillar (the monopoly of mass communication). Crypto is yet another pillar being sawn away.
I do not see a future "French revolution" but rather a dissolving of the privileges of state.
We are in a better shape than in the time of Galileo, concerning freedoms. We have won freedom of thought (science). We have won freedom of expression. We have won freedom of publication (the internet!). We still do not have economic freedom. This is what crypto is fighting. It will be a tough one. With it, we may even obtain one day, democracy (that is, in as much law exists, it is voted by people, and not imposed by politicians). If you thought we had democracy because we are obliged to give a mandate to an elective aristocracy, you're wrong of course. We live in an elective aristocracy (as compared to the old hereditary aristocracy).
I can agree with that, but truth is that the control over people is evolving too and probably it's even worse than 500 years ago. Yes, we're not burned on stake like some "witches", but we do have Facebook, Google... this forum... Freedom of science you say? Why we're not driving cars using water (or whatever)? Why there are so many deceases with no cure for them? How big is the oil/drug business and why? There are some battles won, but to me is more important that the masses are still in control of handful of people. I think you are missing the point: these conferences are not needed or advantageous for the crypto, but for the devs. People always seek their proper profit, and then represent it as "for the general good". Devs need these things to exist. So they happen. Generals need wars to exist, so they happen. The responsibility of the propagandist of the moment is to sell it as "for the general good", but it usually isn't. If someone talks about "the general good" you know that there is some scamming going on. If someone tells you he wants to take advantage, there's a chance he's being honest.
I'm not missing the point. These conferences/videochats are mainly to explain and promote certain currency. People like Andreas Antonopoulos (one of the main examples) are of course needed and they are very smart and useful to Bitcoin, but I am talking about the masses here. People are sheep in general and they need to be taught with simplicity. P.S. You haven't said anything about the video I gave you. |
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I think you're wrong. 1. Science reduced the power of the religion, but it did not killed it. Not at all! Religion is still a great power, which is often used to control 100s of millions people. For example here in Bulgaria there are number of holidays on which people goes to church, even if they don't believe in God. But I do think that religion has many positive sides and I have nothing against it. 2. Galileo is probably one of the best historic examples on why decentralization is a dream and why people should not expect to have their full privacy. He was condemned and accused in heresy by the Catholic Church and the guy didn't even received a proper burial. I am sure that Galileo had some tough life. There were also a lot of revolutionaries (such as Galileo) who fought wars, invented stuff. These actions change some things, but never changed the fact that the masses are under control over their entire existence. It could be by some pharaoh, king, the Church, dictator or government, but it's there. Bitcoin is indeed the very first prototype, but its main problem is that people are putting too much thinking into it. I will give you 2 examples: 1. Conferences. Why the hell you'll need to sit and listen/watch countless 1-2-hour conferences/videos were someone is explaining what Bitcoin (or whatever altcoin) is? There are already geeks who are taking care of it and have deep knowledge on the technology. Do you think that the average Joe would have the patience to be taught? I don't fully understand Bitcoin, but you know what? I don't need to! All I need to know is what it can do or achieve and how to preserve it - that's it. Simplicity is what matters. Do you see the banks explaining people how they work? They already "know" (i.e., they think they know) the basics. 2. Yesterday I had a long conversation with our Lead dev and we were discussing some of the features which we should deliver. I have always supported Litecoin's creator Charlie Lee statement that cryptocurrencies does not need gimmicks in order to succeed, but many developers fails to see this. Do you know why? Because they suck at marketing! And I'm telling you from my experience with 10s of coders! I gave our dev this video as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpbNH072tNg. Then I have asked him if he can explain it. Do you think you can explain it? What do you think of it? |
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XCP was expensive in end of 2014. The price was over 0.01, if they can develop ethereum virtual machine on XCP, the price will rise again.
No, it was in fact over 0.021.  |
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I think that this is my first self-moderated thread since I'm on the forum, but there is a reason for that. Pointless comments will be deleted.
My personal opinion is that Bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency in existence for that matter (well, Ripple could be an "honorable exception")) is not going to be widely accepted as money. Not because it's bad or good, but because it can't be controlled, at least not in the way the governments would want to. Bitcoin is hard to explain to the average Joe and personally I gave up on doing it to my real friends, because probably 95% of them are seeing it as a speculation/bubble. But do you know what? That doesn't really matter. I believe that Bitcoin (and some altcoins) would find their market niche and for that they'll only need to be accepted by some part of the masses. It's hard to say how many people are really using cryptocurrencies, but I think it's safe to say that they are under 1 million (which is like 0.0128% of world's population). 10-30x increase in the user base would make a huge difference. Bitcoin is currently the king, but definitely it's not going to be the only one.
What do you guys think? How you are seeing things?
Cheers,
Spartak
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Fiat money were of no use in the Ancient Egypt as well, but now they have about a 1000 years of history. Banks are sometimes using 50-year old code. Bitcoin is only 7.5 years old.
Since the age of empires (the classical period), the monetary items to be used in commerce have always been under state control, because who controls the "blood of the economy" controls essentially everything: you make the riches and the poor, you pay armies and traitors and it happens essentially in an invisible way. Even gold and silver was a kind of "fiat" during the Roman times, because their conquests served essentially to take slaves, and to open silver mines that financed the state and its wars.... to conquer more territory, to obtain more slaves and silver mines. The European nations did about the same at the end of the middle ages in America with the gold mines over there. So even gold and silver have been "fiat" money, in the sense that they served as seigniorage financing of the state. Next came of course diluting the precious metals in state coins. The Romans did it already. Fiat money is simply "infinitely diluted gold and/or silver". The dilution reached infinity in 1972. States will never allow a monetary asset that they can't control as the main blood of the economy. So forget the idea that you will LEGALLY have bitcoin as a general currency - unless - and that is my hope - that it sneaks in and takes states by surprise, weakening them, and in the end, make them collapse. States can't live without pumping money. They are the parasites that need to drink the economy's blood to survive. They will not allow foreign blood to flow in the majority of economy if they cannot make it, control it, and take it away at their whims, unless they have been weakened enough that they lose their power. Bitcoin is a totally different beast than any other state money, whether it be gold or paper fiat, in the sense that bitcoin cannot be state controlled - unless China seizes all the mining, and bitcoin becomes Chinese money. It will never be accepted by states as a currency. At best, states themselves will invent some kind of state crypto, of which they get the seigniorage, they get to decide upon the forking, and they have the exclusivity to mine/mint/print it. At which point it is not a free crypto any more. Bitcoin could be state-forked into such a thing. But it won't be bitcoin any more. It would be a freedom nightmare: a compulsory blockchainish state currency, somewhat monero like, but with a state golden viewkey, so that they, and only they, can see every transaction. If you want to call that "crypto", be my guest. This thread does not deserve to be bumped with discussions so I'll create another one. |
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you are going to be happy buddy, chart is looking great:
Yeah, right.  I do not own any XCP and btw there is a downtrend as we speak. your coin fail coin is compare another coin is intgerate develop with xcp your coin still under
Not sure what you mean. Any reason? What will it have so you are so confident about the price pump.
Confident? No, but I do think it is highly underrated. |
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Decentralization is a dream and the authorities can enforce some laws to exchanges and merchants who are accepting any kind of cryptocurrency payments. I am 99% sure that this will happen in near future and therefore anonymous coins could be useless.
Again, if you are to be law abiding, then crypto is of no use. Fiat money were of no use in the Ancient Egypt as well, but now they have about a 1000 years of history. Banks are sometimes using 50-year old code. Bitcoin is only 7.5 years old. |
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Decentralization is a dream and the authorities can enforce some laws to exchanges and merchants who are accepting any kind of cryptocurrency payments. I am 99% sure that this will happen in near future and therefore anonymous coins could be useless.
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Looks like notifications are now working? Anyone to confirm?
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Help for fun Not bad! Slogan could be Fun by helping and coin name could be Fu + lp = Fulp similar to pulp of fruit That's actually quite good. Fun by helping. Hmmm... I think it could be done a bit better though. P.S. There is a name: FAIL. |
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Hello,
How would you combine the words "fun" and "help" in a slogan?
Thanks,
Spartak
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Hello, I am inviting all FAIL team members to a discussion on slack - https://failcommunity.slack.com/. If anyone else wants to join, please send me a PM with your e-mail. EDIT: It doesn't have to be right away since you can see the post history on slack. Just drop by to give your opinion when you have the time. Cheers, Spartak |
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I failed @ that prediction and XCP had some ups and downs, but it is still up by ~40% since I started this thread. Maybe it will need another month or two... who knows...
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