So, after putting out the fact that I'm confident Mark will do 'the right thing (tm)' and that I don't have any suspicion of foul play from mtgox's part, I must say that this whole episode will force me to say goodbye to a good friend that has accompanied me for many years now... my email address. It is on the wild, it is related to bitcoins, it is getting spammed with get rich quick emails and is probably forever tainted.

Ah well, it breaks my heart but its a small price to pay for a lesson learned: use unique / disposable emails on anything that is not under your control (which is pretty much everything on the net, I guess).

First of all, we? We, who? I am a mtgox user, have been for a long time (just look up my alias there on the leaked db) and while I did move substantial amounts of money and coins with it (to my own relative values, of course) all the issues I have ever encountered were taken care of with the highest level of professional attention.

So 'most of us', or even 'some of us', or better yet 'me and some other guy in the forum don't give a shit' would be the better way to put it... I WANT to know what happened from all angles, and I do give a shit because:

'absolute joke your little site was' is probably right on the money. It is/was a sad little joke of a site, and that is why it never got any traction, or volume. Hell, if they hadn't forced you at gun point to use it, you wouldn't even know it existed...

Don't like it? Don't use it. Want assurance? That is fair, but no statement on the site ever assured anything to anyone, and with that mtgox has always honored their responsibility no matter what. I'm sure they could just run away with the current wallet and not have to work again, but instead you see a great service that suffers the most imho from not having had competition for a long time. That is changing, which is great for everyone, but I'm sticking with mtgox for as long as they keep the service standard they had so far.

I appreciate your kind words. But I don't think we are disagreeing, to the extent I'm not stating a particular viewpoint as much as I'm saying there are two possible roads that lead to the same outcome, which is the ever changing deadlines for delivery;
1) knowingly set a short time to market, even though it is obviously impossible to keep, to avoid a major "rebellion" which can result in a disastrous thing for your business; it's quite incredible the number of times you can get away with this, but there are studies that explain the why (read, for example, "The Paradox of Choice" and what it says about how we remember an experience).
2) being over-optimistic. This is almost as bad as 1), if in a more humble way. They are really trying hard and if all goes according to plan they keep the deadline, but until you have the complete picture of what happened, how can you know what plan there is to keep?

While none of the two views above is something one would want or expect of a "professional" service, I must say that I'm very pleased with the way the whole thing has been handled so far. I don't know if I lost anything, but even if I did it was 2 or 3 coins at most, as I am VERY paranoid about who keeps my stuff, and I rather keep everything myself unless I'm actively trading (which I wasn't).

And I feel the need to say that all my dealing with Jed and now Mark has always been a 5 star experience. They were never the fastest to reply, granted, but always very helpful and cordial. I don't get that from my bank, unfortunately

panic control, anxiety level management, we do it all the time with our kids, governments to it all the time with their toddlers (us), it just beats telling a 6 year old you have no idea when lunch will be ready because the stove broke.

I would much rather get a fuller disclosure if one is in order, but on the other hand I do that all the time too, and not because I'm bad that way, just because I honestly believe I can keep my projected deadlines... sometimes I can, but shit happens.

Nope, not American at all. And yes, I would love to pay the same as donald trump for each unit of taxable income, he is much richer than I am and I pay much more per earned unit. Or was that your argument?

Ah, right, you are a troll, you make no arguments, only read hatred

You see what you want to see, I read somewhere

I do think that people should be paid the same for the same task, regardless of them being poor or rich. I also think that your hatred made you state the wrong idea. You mean rich people should not PAY the same as poor people, right? not GET PAID?

regardless, yes, I think a thing is a thing and has a value regardless of who pays and who gets paid. It's how much you are willing to pay that makes the price, not how wealthy you are, in my personal opinion. But I'm sure you are correct, and that's why the world is as it is today.

re: 100k, aha, good. So that explains why asking 5 digit fees is small, because they (we all that use it) can pay? Ok, now you sound more like a real security expert, or a lawyer, or a politician...

re: hate. Come again? the example (not the only one, I understand) that I read what I wanted to read in your posts is that you read too much hate in my posts? huh?

But enough hatred, I know I have an attitude problem as all that had to deal directly with me can attest to. Too much good, positive attitude and a complete lack of capability of making simple ironic remarks I'm a long time professional at what I do, and that is not trolling nor is it security. You are obviously better than me on both accounts so if you can refrain from replying to my post here, I promise I'll behave and not make hatred filled remarks on any other altruistic comment coming from you on this thread.

drooolll... seriously? good for you, maybe you can then waive the 5 digit small fee and make this a better place for all of us, you included?


The latter. I do lock my house, but not my car. And the reason I lock my house is that my miner machine is inside, and you can't really trust a community like Bitcoin that has people reasoning like you... someone might take my computer and then post on the forum saying "for a small 5 digit fee I'll teach you about the best locks for you door".


I need no proof at all. I believe you, I have no reason not to. Of course any random guy making over 300 million dollars yearly will sniff and spoof, and not steal to then arm wrestle a small fee... I wonder what kind of "security" you are expert on, though...


Oh... so you run an exchange, one that is totally secure. Now I'm getting really puzzled... which one was it again? Tell the good developers that potentially lost a bunch of bitcoins, something that could have been prevented if you would just help competition for free. I promise noone will try to hurt you, and I'm sure noone will be capable of anyway :p


Yep, no doubt. And once someone hacks it you'll provide information about how you already knew and could have prevented it, if only you would get paid the (relative) peanuts you require, but you only require them as a matter of principle, you REALLY don't need them.

Enough trolling, have fun with your buzzword magic. You might be a security expert (and failed to present any proof of it, but you aren't in the PR business anyway, so who cares) but I'm still not sure you are a human being.

Not at all, look at all the threads!

You are, however, from my own subjective analysis, the only one saying that a five digit small fee should be paid to you for saying you have spoofed mtgox accounts by eavesdropping wifi connections and not taking monetary advantage of it. So as far as I can see that's:
- you sniffed open or badly closed wifi connections, which is eavesdropping and forbidden in most places
- you used that information to explore issues in a bitcoin exchange, which is illegal anyway you cut it
- you provide no proof of doing any of the above, but you certainly use good bragging buzzwords
- you failed to provide information to the site owner to prevent the current situation (heck, you might be the one behind all this, for all you said you were capable of doing)
- now you require hard money for your expert services, which amount to saying that something is hackable after it has been hacked

Kudos to you for making all this with a straight face... or did you? :p

Got it, posted on irc, got directed here.

The forum message volume is starting to make it hard to keep up and know these threads exist. Oh, and I was called Pat, not Jason

So a long time ago there was a thread about PayBox (now VirtuaPay) as a potential payment processor on the make. I joined in and have collected over 1k VP$.

Now, I'm pretty sure the whole thing is a sociological scam, where you create value from nothing because people who "get on board early" get free credits like I did, so they'll do almost anything to keep these credits. I stopped having any belief in it when they created an auction site with 'test' auctions and then took it down, like "you already had a taste of how we can move this virtual currency we control and create out of thin air into something virtually real, so your faith in us is restored, back to holding control of you".

But all these issues and doubts apart, today I received an email stating they'll soon force all users to have a Facebook account... now, that is just pushing it too far. I don't have, never had, and will continue to try as hard as possible to never have a facebook account, so I'm out! Anyone on the system wants my VP$? If more than one person wants them, I'm open to bribery as I make my decision of who gets them

This is for business use, so if there's no physical proof of key authenticity, it's really the same as a fake key, regardless of working or not. I'm not doubting your honesty, though, just stating that the key is not enough for me, but thanks for the offer!

I could be interested, but I would need a little more information. What am I getting? A physical cd key or just the number? Will this be enough to prove the installed software is original? How can I check the key is valid and otherwise unused?

Thanks!

I don't think this got included yet, but you can use gnuwin on windows http://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgnuwin32.sourceforge.net%2Fpackages%2Fpatch.htm&ei=LQPgTZOtF8-xhAezjtC_Cg&usg=AFQjCNF0DgIiBVNJjTXm07I_nySTN75Kzw or, for a prettier solution I think tortoisesvn had a tool iirc.

Be sure to post on the forum when that happens... I'm on GMT+1 so I'll miss it.

Hey all,

I have a lot of stuff taking up space, like old laptops, MBs, CPUs, ram, PCI and ISA expansion cards, IDE hard drives and what not. Thought I'd test the waters, see if there is any interest in these. I'm not out to make a buck, but I'm also not ready to waste time and money for nothing, so at least the shipping must be properly covered. Hardware is in Portugal, so shipping to Europe for most heavy things should be ~€35, and the small stuff under €10.

I didn't yet find the time to organize, catalog and photograph the stuff, but here's a small sampler to see if there's interest or not:

Working laptop: TOSHIBA Sattellite 1800-504
http://www.toshiba-europe.com/computers/products/notebooks/satellite1800_504/techspecs.htm
15GB HDD
256MB RAM
Celeron 1GHz
Danish keyboard

Has a Windows ME key sticker, but no media. Hard drive will be wiped before sending. Also, I'm not sure I have the charger for it, need to look (I know it works fine because I'm using the charger from another toshiba I'll be selling too). The battery still holds some charge!

Broken laptop: Targa Traveller 826T MT32
http://www.targa.co.uk/index.jsp?SID=0&NAV=236&PCAT=2&PTUBE=12&PROD=248
http://www.targa.co.uk/index.jsp?SID=0&NAV=236&DOC=&PAGE=1367&PCAT=2&PROD=248&PTUBE=12&PARAMS=undefined&PARAMS2=undefined&SPCAREA=undefined

This little fellow overheated quite badly when it was in operation. Eventually it died, just like that. No battery on it, no hard drive (once I wipe it it'll go on sale too), but the hd holder and screws do go along. It has the ram (2x512MB) the wifi and bluetooth card, DVD-RW, a screen that was working just fine and should be reusable. No charger on this one.

I have 3 more laptops but not here by me, so I'll probably add these later.

If you want to blindly grab everything I have I'll be happy to come to some agreement with you.

edit: here's some more stuff:



Now this is 2 fdd, 2 cdrom, 1 laptop fdd, 3xMaxtor 40GB hdd, 1 fujitsu 10GB hdd, 1 fujitsu 3.2GB hdd, 3 pci modems, 1 ATI rage 8MB AGP GPU, 1 FX5200 128MB AGP GPU, 1 MB with PIII 667MHz and 64MB RAM.


edit 2: and some more:



2x PCI sound cards, 2x PCI network cards, 1x PCI USB adapter, 2x USB case extensions, 1 PCMCIA network adapter (I'm almost sure this one is broken), 2 DDR 266 (PC2100) 256MB SIMMs (one HP, one PQI), IDE and FDD cables, rs232 to siemens C35 cable.


Everything was working as far as I can remember, unless otherwise stated, but I have no way of knowing if that is still true. I have more stuff, but need to gather it up.

Unlike what I mentioned previously, even without LP the hang still happens. Looking a bit closer at the code it seems to me that the getWork request that WorkQueue performs when the miner is found to be idle fails silently and is not retried, so phoenix sits waiting for something to happen but with no action deferred.

I'm on ubuntu and have been mining with phoenix/poclbm happily, no locks, against a local bitcoind instance. Today I decided to give a pool a go, and for 2 times in 5 hours I got the "Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle" that would just stay there until I Ctrl+C and restart that miner.

The obvious difference? Long polling. I've commented out the long poll thread start() so I can make sure that is the issue, but what I really feel is missing is an option to disable it. I don't have a patch (just a #) but can cook one if that feels important to anyone else.

That is all true and under the proposed config / price tag it makes little sense. But we're talking major player almost getting it, imo, so getting a 4 PCIe card with single low end CPU is not something they'd think of without 'stepping out of the box'... but the 2U case with place for 2 PSUs is there, think 2x750 which is cheaper than 1x1400.

Does anyone know anyone on Asus R&D?

http://event.asus.com/server/2011/esc4000/

I'm not sure about heat dissipation, but it does have 8 PCIe x16 slots and 1400W PSU with optional redundant extra PSU...